Tystefy
Posts: 450
11/27/2018
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I've been meaning to ask this one for a while.
Simply put: what do the dreams from the associated Dream qualities mean? Has it ever been proven? I have been unable to find any such explanation to them, only merely how to grind them!
- A Game of Chess = Glimpses of the Great Game, seen through the eyes of past agents (possession/vision style)?
- Is Someone There? = Parabola.
- Stormy-Eyed / What the Thunder Said = Storm? Worshipers of him? I'm utterly convinced that it takes around a year of grinding to even reach the "end" of Stormy-Eyed!
- The Burial of the Dead = Tomb-colonist secrets?
- The Fire Sermon = The apocalyptic event that is one of the cities crashing down on top the previous?
- Death by Water = Drownies? Mr. Eaten hotline?
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Guest
11/27/2018
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In hindsight it kind of surprises me that there isn't a series of dreams centered around the Bazaar itself...
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Honeyaddict
Posts: 501
11/27/2018
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About the stormy-Eyed: you can grind it up on an island it took me about what 7 days of actions at most to do it. 
Edit: It's mutton Island the option "The Mutton Island Wind..." ; in that storylet there's an option that requires Stormy-Eyed and increases it with 1 CP and time passing with 2 CP. It's a great place to also farm Favours: the Docks while you're grinding Stormy Eyed!
Death by Water used to be tied to both the Murdergame that's now retired Knife-and-Candle [See false Baptist heads] as well as SMEN [see text in dreams: e.g. "North... North"]
I've yet to understand the Fire Seremon fully, but I believe it are visions of one of the Previous Cities falling into ruins.
All the others sound quite like my own hypothesis, the "Is Someone There?" as Parabola is also supported by going to the Mirror-Marshes (the only dream quality that diminishes when you leave there compared to the Betlehem/State of some Confusion)
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Siankan
Posts: 1048
11/28/2018
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Except for What The Thunder Said, all of the dream qualities are connected with both Parabola and Mr. Eaten, to various degrees. Given what Mr. Eaten's old gig was, this is logical enough.
Also worth noting, all of the dreams except Is Someone There? are taken from the section titles of T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land. If you're wanting to play Schlomo and attempt to interpret the One-Eyed Bishop et al., that would be the place to start.
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Ixc
Posts: 365
11/28/2018
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I knew the meanings of the other dreams, but where (which level) does Fire Sermon show the Falls of other cities?
PS: Dreams of Chess aren’t glimpses of the actual Game as we understand it; rather, if I interpret the Great Game item correctly, a resonance of the War in Heaven, in a form we can understand.
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Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
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Optimatum
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11/28/2018
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You're more or less correct about most of them, but the Fire Sermon is about the war over dreams between Mr Wines and Mr Spices.
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Guest
11/28/2018
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Is it me or is Mr Spices a character so underutilized that he barely exists? Literally the only time I've ever seen him come up was at the tail end of finishing off the Jack of Smiles behind a pretty steep fate wall & action grind...
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
11/28/2018
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You're right that he doesn't show up much, but he appears in one of the regular Jack of Smiles Case endings, no money required. The Fate ending is just the other two combined.
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Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi!
PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Skinnyman
Posts: 2133
11/28/2018
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Optimatum wrote:
You're more or less correct about most of them, but the Fire Sermon is about the war over dreams between Mr Wines and Mr Spices. Care to share more about this?
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Honeyaddict
Posts: 501
11/28/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Optimatum wrote:
You're more or less correct about most of them, but the Fire Sermon is about the war over dreams between Mr Wines and Mr Spices. Care to share more about this?
If I recall correctly [spoiler]
The two Masters, Mr. Spices and Mr. Wines both wanted the dreams after Mr. Eaten/Candles died, having left behind the candles and dreams. Thus they wage war on one another to determine who gets to control the realm of dreams. Mr. Candles still controls the dreams however.
**Edit: the path to dreams Credit to Ixc for correcting me [including but limited to Prisoner's Honey ]
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SMEN spoiler; you've been warned.
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Has some ideas the Masters won't approve of like some items and establishing a Colony in Parabola.
I will accept most social interactions (not duping). I do enjoy role playing as well.
Have some possibly still active codes!
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Ixc
Posts: 365
11/28/2018
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Well, more accurately the paths to dreams, like Prisoner’s Honey.
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Are you a Paramount Presence? Record your name here. For posterity, of course.
Out of the night that covers me,
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I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
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Tystefy
Posts: 450
11/29/2018
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My favorite snippet from the Dreams is this: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Tystefy/11865053
Finally. Someone makes sense, and it's me!
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Skinnyman
Posts: 2133
11/29/2018
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Many thanks, many thanks!
But where can one learn about this?
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ChangelingChilde
Posts: 231
12/2/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Many thanks, many thanks!
But where can one learn about this?
Go Seeking? :p
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DO you recall how the Hunger began?
I'm sorry, my darling, I don't think I can!
OUT past the High Wilderness and beyond
I fear I've gone Seeking, for of Him I'm fond.
--The Elfin Cannibal
Seven scars, seven chains, a soul too stained for Hell, and seven sainted candles burning at the well.
Gone to Grieve on the 17th day of the 7th month, 1897. Will be Vake-hunting next.
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Skinnyman
Posts: 2133
12/2/2018
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The Elfin Cannibal wrote:
Skinnyman wrote:
Many thanks, many thanks!
But where can one learn about this?
Go Seeking? :p Even came back, but I don't really recall these tiny bits. Probably because I did it over the course of too many months or there are some connections I have yet made.
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Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1783
12/2/2018
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The I'm a Candle Tumblr! It has incredible lore. The game became much more enjoying and less confusing for me after I found it.
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Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play.
http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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TheDoomedLieutenant
Posts: 5
12/4/2018
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Sorry if out-of-game discussion is off-topic for the Salons, I'm still not that acquinted with how things work here, but I do have something to add.
It's also perhaps worth noting that the names of the Dream storylines, the names of specific Dream cards, and even some lines themselves are taken from T. S. Elliot's poem The Waste Land. This creates some themes that don't quite match up with anything in Fallen London lore. For example, how four of the Dreams are associated with the four elements: Earth-Burial, Fire-Sermon, Air-Thunder, Water-Death.
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Lorelai
Posts: 59
12/4/2018
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Speaking of dreams, is there a specific unlock quality to get the chess dreams? I've been using every single dream card since I joined FL and all of my other dreams are anywhere from 8-15 and I have Stormy Eyed, but I've never once seen a card for the Chess dreams.
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Skinnyman
Posts: 2133
12/4/2018
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Lorelai wrote:
Speaking of dreams, is there a specific unlock quality to get the chess dreams? I've been using every single dream card since I joined FL and all of my other dreams are anywhere from 8-15 and I have Stormy Eyed, but I've never once seen a card for the Chess dreams. Nop! It's just damn rare because of RNG. Seems that many people have a small problem with the start, but you can always use Nadir's card.
And I think that dreams are meant to take a lot of time to increase; all depending how active you are and how many cards you draw per day.
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