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New Expeditions in the Forgotten Quarter!

Hannah Flynn Administrator Posts: 491 9/5/2018	The Forgotten Quarter: a vast wilderness of Fourth City ruins... and beneath it, older cities still. Treasures lie buried here, and the answers to questions centuries old. Stock up on Supplies, complete your research and embark on a new archaeological expedition in the Forgotten Quarter! Archaeologists at level 2 and above will find three new expeditions to pursue: some more arduous than others, and each with its own rewards. Look for “Begin an Expedition in the Forgotten Quarter” to get started. -- Wields the news canon, aboard the hype train.
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 9/5/2018	Heeeeeeeyyyyyy ... wait a minute ... if the [spoiler]Heroic Archaeologist[/spoiler] is my rival, what does that make me? edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Slyblue Posts: 224 9/5/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Heeeeeeeyyyyyy ... wait a minute ... if the [spoiler]Heroic Archaeologist[/spoiler] is my rival, what does that make me? edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018 The Morally Questionable Archeologist? -- The Smiling Devil • The Curt Licentiate • The Keen-Eyed Captain "For hearts of truest mettle, absence doth join and Time doth settle."
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datarama Posts: 18 9/5/2018	Words cannot express my delight in having an outright HEROIC character attempt to foil my own (distinctly non-heroic and quite megalomaniacal) character's schemes. So, in lieu of words, I shall resort to a more appropriate vocalization for the occasion: MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! -- Professor Anton Moebius, the Antidisciplinary Scientist
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Indigo Clardmond Posts: 60 9/6/2018	Kaigen wrote: Interestingly, I haven't heard any reports of alternate rewards for The Chocolate Pagoda or the Tomb of the Silken Thread, so those may be more consisent. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who automatically keeps reading "The Chalcocite Pagoda" as "The Chocolate Pagoda" -- Indigo Clardmond - A kind-hearted Notary that is also a member of the C.V.R. And good friend to the Rubberies. And close to the Urchins. A gentleman of many talents. He is most definitely not secretly an imp of an existential nature. That would just be silly. Vazio Solus - A broken, bitter Correspondent with a sick relationship to the Truth. Defiant to all, even in the end, as the Gate was opened. The Luminous Orphan - A dazzling young Doctor of legendary charisma, weaving powerful Celestial imagery while she studies the form...'a star' would certainly be an appropriate way to describe her.
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Barse Posts: 706 9/6/2018	Both the Chalcocite Pagoda and the Tomb of the Silken Thread end in Watchful checks that are pretty hard to fail - so of course, I tanked an alt's stats in an attempt to see some failure text. The Chalcocite Pagoda Failure The Tomb of the Silken Thread Failure [spoiler]The reward for the fail-version of the Pagoda is 2x Antique Mysteries and 1x Magnificent Diamond. The reward for the fail-version of the Silken Thread is 1x Parabola Linen.[/spoiler] I think some enterprising folks from the Discord have put my findings on the wiki already, but the extra lore from the failures is interesting! EDIT: As the expeditions currently stand, if your Watchful is over 100 it's impossible for you to see these alternate (admittedly slightly worse) results. edited by Barse on 9/6/2018 -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 9/5/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Heeeeeeeyyyyyy ... wait a minute ... if the [spoiler]Heroic Archaeologist[/spoiler] is my rival, what does that make me? edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018 A Queen as always! -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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eaglewiz Posts: 12 9/5/2018	cecil1994 wrote: Anyone have EPA numbers? (Given Buccaneering autosuccess). This looks decidedly more fun than Tiger grinding, plus you get to stay in London. Yes. The 30 supply one is the one to go for - the reward is 2 items worth 62.5 echoes each. The expedition takes 1 action to start, 1 action to finish, and as long as you can 100% the 3 progress challenge, it takes 10 actions to get to 30 progress. (The strategy to go for seems to be taking the 3 progress action for the first 8 actions and the final action, and the 2 progress action for the second-to-last action if you never find A Sign , the 1 progress action for that action if you encounter A Sign, and you save an action if you encounter A Sign twice, which should happen about 8% of the time) The cost of this expedition is 29 crates (as the first progress is free), minus whatever you save from A Sign. There are 9 chances for A Sign to save you 4 crates, and 1 chance for A Sign to save you 3 crates. Each Sign has a 5% chance, for a total average savings of (9.054) + (.053) = 1.95 crates. Thus the average cost of the expedition is 27.05 crates and 12 actions. Now we have to calculate the cost of the crates. Assume no docks favors (because these are not reliable), and instead assume that the crates are gained by getting Strong Backed Labor in the side streets (for 13.5 echoes and 1 action per labor, plus 1 action to convert the labor into 5 crates). This makes each crate cost 2.7 echoes and .4 actions, and so getting the 27.05 crates costs 73.035 echoes and 10.82 actions The expedition then takes an average 10.82 actions (for the crates) plus 12 actions (for the expedition itself) for a total of 22.82 actions. The expedition reward is 125 echoes worth of items, minus the average 73.035 cost of the crates needed, for a total of 51.965 echoes profit 51.965 echoes divided by 22.82 actions gives 2.277 EPA, making this one of the most profitable grinds in the game. As a side note this also makes docks favors considerably more valuable - 1 docks favor 1 action and 1 echo (assuming you buy rostygold wholesale) gives you 4 crates - 4 crates being worth 10.8 echoes and 1.6 actions. Deducting the cost, this makes the favor worth 9.8 echoes and .6 actions, and plugging in a conservative estimate of 2.277 echoes per action gives a value of 11.16 echoes per docks favor. Edit: These values are not quite exact - they ignore the slight diminishing returns to signs after the second, which would reduce the epa slightly (although the chances of getting more then two signs is very low), but they also ignore the roughly 8% chance of getting 2+ signs and saving an action. If anything the actual EPA is probably close to 2.28 edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018* edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018 edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018
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PSGarak Posts: 834 9/5/2018	Expeditions are my favorite repeatable activity in Fallen London, this makes me quite happy. Also I'm rather stoked that my absurd decision to keep my supplies near the cap instead of using them as acquired seems to have paid off! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 9/5/2018	That's completely unexpected... and very much appreciated! Thanks lads! -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Barse Posts: 706 9/5/2018	Gently echoing everybody above when I say this was extremely unexpected and super welcome! The new content is very cool, adds nice new ways to get otherwise annoying items, and has some very fun text. I am (ofc) still exploring it, but I like it, a lot. All in all; thank you! This is the most excellent kind of surprise. edited by Barse on 9/5/2018 -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 9/7/2018	Optimatum wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: It gets a little better if you can sometimes throw a Dock Favour into to the mix, for example: Adding a Dock Favour doesn't raise the actual EPA though, because you're effectively measuring two different grinds at once. Say that, each expedition, you get 28 of your supplies from labour and one from Docks favours. If you do that 29 times, you'll get that 2.08 EPA on average. However, you've just done the equivalent of 28 expeditions using only labour plus one expedition using only Docks favours. You're better off ignoring the labour-based grinding completely once you can afford enough Orphans, and supplementing it with Docks favours when possible. Good point on the conflated grinds but it doesn't change my main point, viz., pursing the Tomb of the Silken Thread with labour supplemented by favours (in whatever combination), is better than labour alone. The Orphan grind does yield a better EPA ... but for those of us who are willing to sacrifice some EPA efficiency in exchange for not having to leave the pleasures of London, then this kind of archaeology is an excellent avocation. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 9/8/2018	Did anyone managed to gather any data about The Sanctuary's rare success rate? And FBG, why block Archeologist at level 5? Only with the expeditions that I recorded I would have been close to level 48; let us track these numbers! -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Bitty Posts: 234 9/7/2018	A WAY TO GRIND SEARING ENIGMAS MY SEEKER ALT IS SO HAPPY
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PSGarak Posts: 834 9/5/2018	Tomb of the Silken Thread gave me the following: [spoiler]One Parabola-Linen Scrap, and one Judgement Egg. You guys, a Judgement Egg! I honestly wonder if this is a regular result or I got lucky with a Rare Success. [/spoiler] Plus the requisite amount of creepy lore about spiders. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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Kaigen Posts: 530 9/6/2018	It sounds like the Sanctuary of Crimson Petals expedition simply has two different results, one of which may be more common than the other. If the game was presenting different results based on whether you've done the expedition or not, we would expect to see it assign some quality to the player, since that's usually how the game tracks things like this. Plus, the fact that both outcomes have been reported by people apparently doing the expedition for the first time suggests it's a matter of random chance rather than a deliberate skew. Whether the odds of the different outcomes are roughly even (like the Thieves' Cache expedition having 60/40 odds of giving Glim/Souls) or one outcome is much rarer than the other will take more investigation. Interestingly, I haven't heard any reports of alternate rewards for The Chocolate Pagoda or the Tomb of the Silken Thread, so those may be more consisent. -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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Reused NPC Posts: 259 9/6/2018	A Judgement's Egg from the 30-supply story? I'm... actually really happy about this. Now I can fill my lodgings with 10 more cats guilt-free! I will add that it feels sorta... fundamentally off to me that these expeditions don't give Unpredictable Treasures like the other two do. I miss those overpriced bags of oddites, dangit... It's interesting that the results seem to change after the first time; it remains to be seen whether the other expeditions also give such useful items. -- ReusedNPC, a d__ned lunatic. Edmund Viric, a rather dreamy sort. "I won't stay long, I shan't stay long! Tell me a secret." --the Baldomerian
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 9/6/2018	Here's a recalculation of EPA: 9.75 actions to acquire 9.75 favours. (I'm ignoring the cost for the moment. Because you only spend 39 supplies, you don't need the full 40!) 9.75 actions and 487.5 rostygold to turn those into 39 supplies. 1 action to start the expedition. 13 actions of buccaneering to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals. 1 action to complete the expedition. Total: 34.5 actions Reward: Either 3 night-whispers (187.5E) or two bright brass skulls and a portfolio of skulls (132.5E). It's not clear what the ratio is, but let's say 50-50 for now, for an average of 160E. Subtract 4.875 for the rostygold spent on supplies and that's 155.125E. 155.125/34.5=4.50 EPA. "A sign?" improves this slightly. The cost of favours makes it slightly lower. Notably, this is not a grind in the classic sense because you're limited by favours. What about the risk of getting caught by your rival? Using the binomial probability formula with a 50% chance of Rival's Progress increasing, it's 13.3%. That's definitely not negligible. 3 echoes of romantic goods and 1 supply are required. There's still a 1.1% chance of having the Heroic Archaeologist catch up again, but that's rare enough that I'll leave it out. This also costs only 39 supplies, barring rivals and signs, and you get 40 to prepare. Between the two you'll come out very slightly ahead on supplies, but again, not so much that I think it's important to calculate exactly. Overall you'll get well over 4 EPA. What about making this a grind? The obvious way is by using money to fund expeditions. At 10 echoes for 4 supplies, though, your profit is 160-100, or 60 echoes for the expedition. That's actually not terrible, but 60/35 will give you about 1.71 EPA, which is reasonable but not exciting. edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018 -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Saklad Posts: 528 9/5/2018	YEEESS ahem I am so happy that one of my favorite mechanics has gotten more love! edited by Saklad5 on 9/5/2018 -- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 9/5/2018	A little back of the envelope scribbling: So far, posted rewards from the 40-supply Sanctuary have values of 12.50, 140.5, 187.5, and 187.5 Echoes. So mean return (I know, small sample size!!) = 132E. Actions needed are: 10 to get 10 Docker Favours (cost for this is variable) 10 to trade 10 Docker Favours for 40 Supplies (cost for this is 5E) 1 to begin the Expedition 13 to do the Expedition (assuming automatic success and you don't need to foil your rival) 1 to finish the Expedition Total = 35 Actions EPA = (132-5)/35 = ~3.63!! ... or a little less, depending on what Dock Favours cost. Is this right?!?! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Monara Posts: 162 9/5/2018	My results in order (20, 30, 40 supplies): [spoiler] -1 searing enigma -1 parabola-linen scrap and 1 judgement egg (!) -3 night-whispers [/spoiler] I echoed all three as well, in reverse order. edited by Monara on 9/5/2018 -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Miranah
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Arcengal Posts: 196 9/5/2018	PSGarak wrote: Tomb of the Silken Thread gave me the following: [spoiler]One Parabola-Linen Scrap, and one Judgement Egg. You guys, a Judgement Egg! I honestly wonder if this is a regular result or I got lucky with a Rare Success. [/spoiler] Plus the requisite amount of creepy lore about spiders. This was the same result I got. Going by the lack of "you got a mysterious treasure" screen, I think this might be a guaranteed result, short of a rare success or something similar? -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Arcengal
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cecil1994 Posts: 2 9/5/2018	Saklad wrote: Holy crap, these things are lucrative. Possibly too lucrative. I usually do Expeditions when I don’t have anything better to do (I’ve been looking into scripting the more repetitive carousels, but I haven’t heard back from Failbetter on whether it’s okay yet), so I’d be doing this anyway, but this might actually be more profitable than the Affair of the Box. Not that I sell anything I don’t have at least 2000 of. For good reason: one of the new actions uses an Outlandish Artifact, apparently! edited by Saklad5 on 9/5/2018 Anyone have EPA numbers? (Given Buccaneering autosuccess). This looks decidedly more fun than Tiger grinding, plus you get to stay in London. edited by cecil1994 on 9/5/2018
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 9/5/2018	I'm dusting off my pith helmet and sharpening my spade! What a wonderful surprise to see this morning! Thank you FBG! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 9/5/2018	Holy shit, holy shit, holy shit! Many thanks, FBG, many thanks for something so unexpected! -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 9/7/2018	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Tyrconnell wrote: What about the 30 supply expedition? [...] If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA. How about buying strong-backed labour? Isn't that a lot more efficient than raw echoes? 5.8 actions to acquire 5.8 strong-backed labour at a cost of 78.3 echoes 5.8 actions turn those into 29 supplies. 1 action to start the expedition. 10 actions of buccaneering (or rather, 9 buccaneering and 1 bold) to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals. 1 action to complete the expedition. Total: 23.6 actions Reward: 125 echoes (-78.3 for supplies) 46.7/23.6=1.98 EPA Yes, it is better, and grindable, and only slightly inferior to visiting the Court of the Wakeful Eye while not requiring travel by zee or leaving London. -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Gillsing Posts: 1203 9/10/2018	Looks like you now need an Unearthly Fossil instead of an Outlandish Artefact in order to hinder the Lugubrious Seamstress. Half a sigh of relief from me, since I've come close to having to confront that woman.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 9/7/2018	Tyrconnell wrote: What about the 30 supply expedition? [...] If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA. How about buying strong-backed labour? Isn't that a lot more efficient than raw echoes? -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 9/12/2018	Kaijyuu wrote: Well this shakes things up quite a bit for me. Unfortunately I don't have enough moon pearls (nor an efficient supply of them) to get the cheaper source of Strong Backed Labor, so I'll have to go with the expensive bazaar sidestreets option. Isn't the EPA for grinding the items for the cheap option abysmal enough that it's less efficient? Say if you want a self-sufficient grind and don't want to invest any of your current items directly; using, let's say, Urchins you can get echoes at, say, just over 2.1EPA, which means 6.4 actions per Labour (not counting the action to actually buy it). For the Clay Quarter option, just getting the rostygold and moonpearls alone (4E of the price) using Unfinished Business will take 3.6 actions on average, so unless there are grinds that give you 6E in Idenitites and Documents within 2.8 actions, it's already less efficient. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 9/10/2018	I usually trade Urchins favors to Hell or the Widow. The Hell conflict card has that nice scandal reduction (which I'm always in need of), and the Widow one scales well with total favors and is reasonably profitable at 7 urchins favors. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Jason5237 Posts: 298 9/10/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: Kaijyuu wrote: Yeah that always goes to trading revolutionaries favors. Really? I exchange this for Urchin favors. I mean, Revolutionaries can be used to write ballets, Criminals have the Penance card and the Expeditions... what do you do with Urchins? 25 Certifiable Scraps, which is important if you're trying to get top tier items from the Relickers. Also, this keeps my HOJOTOJO! option free on the Urchins faction card which is a great source of nightmare reduction along with the Urchin favor. J- -- H.G.R.: Adventuer, Explorer, Paramount Londoner https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/User766505
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xavicr Posts: 5 9/12/2018	This is fantastic! Expeditions are my favorite thing to do in the Neath. -- The Silvertongued Sergeant, an individual of mysterious and indistinct gender. Comes and goes.
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Xue Posts: 14 9/14/2018	Huzzah! More Expeditions into my favorite locale: The Forgotten Quarter. Not only are the rewards really nice, but the lore sheds a lot more light on the enigmatic Fourth City and its foes.... I am particularly concerned though... [spoiler] What exactly do those light snuffing Revolutionaries want with the God Eaters? I'm hoping we'll be seeing more of those three in the future. What other enigmas of the Third City lingers? [/spoiler]
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 9/7/2018	An earlier way. Enigmas were already easily grindable in the Court of the Wakeful Eye. The only problem is getting access to it. Every seeker has to be at least a semi-seasoned expeditioneer. -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 9/7/2018	Reused NPC wrote: A Judgement's Egg from the 30-supply story? I'm... actually really happy about this. Now I can fill my lodgings with 10 more cats guilt-free! I will add that it feels sorta... fundamentally off to me that these expeditions don't give Unpredictable Treasures like the other two do. I miss those overpriced bags of oddites, dangit... It's interesting that the results seem to change after the first time; it remains to be seen whether the other expeditions also give such useful items. I have mixed feelings about getting such a rare item from a relatively inexpensive story. However, it's a great consolation for those of us who didn't receive enough Regnant Coins to obtain a Judgements' Egg that way. -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Parvorus Posts: 42 9/7/2018	Use-wise Judgement's Eggs are worthless, but until recently they used to be a Fate-locked item. Then, when the Mysteries were solved, one of the available items to buy was a Judgement's Egg, while the cheapest item was a cat companion. -- Feel free to send me anything other than Photographers. ►My Profile◄
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Waterpls Posts: 325 9/5/2018	Looks like rewards are fixed. Is anybody willing to calculate EpA? -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Barse Posts: 706 9/6/2018	There are two possible successes for the Sanctuary; the one listed on the wiki and the one that you got! They both have different text, as well. -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 9/6/2018	Boy am I glad I haven't spent my Regnant Coins on the Judgement Egg yet! -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 9/6/2018	Slyblue wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Heeeeeeeyyyyyy ... wait a minute ... if the [spoiler]Heroic Archaeologist[/spoiler] is my rival, what does that make me? edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018 The Morally Questionable Archeologist? Possibilities abound. Perhaps the Cowardly Archaeologist? The Sensible Archaeologist? -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 9/6/2018	What about the 30 supply expedition? 7.25 actions to acquire 7.25 favours. (You only need 29 supplies, actually, because the first progress is free when starting the expedition.) 7.25 actions and 362.5 rostygold to turn those into 30 supplies. 1 action to start the expedition. 10 actions of buccaneering (or rather, 9 buccaneering and 1 bold) to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals. 1 action to complete the expedition. Total: 26.5 actions Reward: 125 echoes (-3.625 for supplies) 121.375/26.5=4.58 And while your rival, the Lugubrious Seamstress, can catch up, it's very unlikely at 1.1%. Conclusion: you're better off pursuing the shorter expedition, both for safety and for profitability. If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA. That's quite respectable still, but still outdone by selling winsome orphans by a full third of an echo per action. edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018 -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 9/6/2018	What about the 20 supply expedition? 4.75 actions to acquire favours for 19 supplies 4.75 actions and 237.5 rostygold to turn those into 19 supplies. 1 action to start the expedition. 7 actions of buccaneering to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" (your rival can't catch up.) 1 action to complete the expedition. Total: 18.5 actions Reward: 62.5 echoes (-2.375 for supplies) 60.125/18.5=3.25 Still good, but outdone by the others. edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018 -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 9/6/2018	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Boy am I glad I haven't spent my Regnant Coins on the Judgement Egg yet! Thought exactly! Catssss!!! -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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ChangelingChilde Posts: 231 9/5/2018	Very cool. Going to get spider lore ASAP, of course. ETA: Oh lovely, more spider-senate hints . . . the whole of the Law shall be everything is spiders, I'm sure. edited by GuesssWho on 9/5/2018 -- DO you recall how the Hunger began? I'm sorry, my darling, I don't think I can! OUT past the High Wilderness and beyond I fear I've gone Seeking, for of Him I'm fond. --The Elfin Cannibal Seven scars, seven chains, a soul too stained for Hell, and seven sainted candles burning at the well. Gone to Grieve on the 17th day of the 7th month, 1897. Will be Vake-hunting next.
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Reused NPC Posts: 259 9/6/2018	Three new WHAT now? Well, I'm glad I've been sinking my spare Docks favours where I have! Time to get my goat and start gallavanting through the Quarter like there's no business. -- ReusedNPC, a d__ned lunatic. Edmund Viric, a rather dreamy sort. "I won't stay long, I shan't stay long! Tell me a secret." --the Baldomerian
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Magpie Dandy Posts: 13 9/5/2018	PSGarak wrote: Tomb of the Silken Thread gave me the following: [spoiler]One Parabola-Linen Scrap, and one Judgement Egg. You guys, a Judgement Egg! I honestly wonder if this is a regular result or I got lucky with a Rare Success. [/spoiler] Plus the requisite amount of creepy lore about spiders. I got the same! I thought was maybe rare. edited by Magpie Dandy on 9/5/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/Magpie_Dandy
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dov Posts: 2580 9/5/2018	Saklad wrote: Holy crap, these things are lucrative. Possibly too lucrative. I usually do Expeditions when I don’t have anything better to do (I’ve been looking into scripting the more repetitive carousels, but I haven’t heard back from Failbetter on whether it’s okay yet), so I’d be doing this anyway, but this might actually be more profitable than the Affair of the Box. Scripting is strictly prohibited by the game's Terms of Use. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 9/5/2018	Great news! Thank you, Failbetter. Expeditions are my favorite activity in Fallen London. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 9/5/2018	The Sanctuary of the Crimson Petals gave my alt [spoiler]1 Portfolio of Souls and 2 Brass skulls[/spoiler] -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Honeyaddict Posts: 501 9/5/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Heeeeeeeyyyyyy ... wait a minute ... if the [spoiler]Heroic Archaeologist[/spoiler] is my rival, what does that make me? edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018 The Villaneus Archaeologist? Or the Neutral Archaeologist? -- Honeyaddict, Scarlet Saint, Paramount Presence pleasure to meet you. Has some ideas the Masters won't approve of like some items and establishing a Colony in Parabola. I will accept most social interactions (not duping). I do enjoy role playing as well. Have some possibly still active codes!
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 9/5/2018	Could everyone post their results? -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Parvorus Posts: 42 9/5/2018	It appears that the 20-Supplies expedition will provide [spoiler]a Searing Enigma.[/spoiler] edited by Parvorus on 9/5/2018 -- Feel free to send me anything other than Photographers. ►My Profile◄
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Jason5237 Posts: 298 9/5/2018	Wow! Completely unexpected and equally excited! Thanks so much - yet another great thing to look forward to. Much appreciated, FB Team. =) J- -- H.G.R.: Adventuer, Explorer, Paramount Londoner https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/User766505
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Plynkes Posts: 631 9/7/2018	Pardon my ignorance, but what use is a Judgement's Egg beyond its monetary value? The wiki says it has no use, but a couple of people on this thread have made cryptic references to cats. What's that all about? -- "Then tell Wind and Fire where to stop, but don't tell me."
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 9/7/2018	Tyrconnell wrote: Dudebro Pyro wrote: Tyrconnell wrote: What about the 30 supply expedition? [...] If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA. How about buying strong-backed labour? Isn't that a lot more efficient than raw echoes? 5.8 actions to acquire 5.8 strong-backed labour at a cost of 78.3 echoes 5.8 actions turn those into 29 supplies. 1 action to start the expedition. 10 actions of buccaneering (or rather, 9 buccaneering and 1 bold) to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals. 1 action to complete the expedition. Total: 23.6 actions Reward: 125 echoes (-78.3 for supplies) 46.7/23.6=1.98 EPA Yes, it is better, and grindable, and only slightly inferior to visiting the Court of the Wakeful Eye while not requiring travel by zee or leaving London. It gets a little better if you can sometimes throw a Dock Favour into to the mix, for example: 5.6 actions to acquire 5.6 strong-backed labour at a cost of 75.6 echoes 0.25 actions to acquire 0.25 dock favours at no cost (or perhaps a negligible cost, depending on method of acquisition) 5.6 actions turn labour into 28 supplies 0.25 actions to turn favour in 1 supply at a cost of 0.125 echoes 1 action to start the expedition. 10 actions of to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals. 1 action to complete the expedition. Total = 23.7 actions Reward = 125 – 75.725 for supplies = 49.275 echoes 49.275/23.7 = ~2.08 EPA Thank goodness I'm not stocked up on Orphans! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 9/7/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: It gets a little better if you can sometimes throw a Dock Favour into to the mix, for example: Adding a Dock Favour doesn't raise the actual EPA though, because you're effectively measuring two different grinds at once. Say that, each expedition, you get 28 of your supplies from labour and one from Docks favours. If you do that 29 times, you'll get that 2.08 EPA on average. However, you've just done the equivalent of 28 expeditions using only labour plus one expedition using only Docks favours. You're better off ignoring the labour-based grinding completely once you can afford enough Orphans, and supplementing it with Docks favours when possible. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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dov Posts: 2580 9/7/2018	Since the new expeditions have an option which requires the use of an Outlandish Artifact, can anyone please help me to confirm if there are any non-Fate sources for that Artifact? If it can only be acquired via the use of Fate, then this option to lower the rival's progress is effectively Fate-locked (by relying on a Fate-locked requirement). -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Barse Posts: 706 9/7/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: Does anyone have the echoes for the "failed" options? My Watchful is too high to get them. I linked them back here, along with their rewards Unless you meant different failures, in which case... whoops! edited by Barse on 9/7/2018 -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 9/7/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Good point on the conflated grinds but it doesn't change my main point, viz., pursing the Tomb of the Silken Thread with labour supplemented by favours (in whatever combination), is better than labour alone. The Orphan grind does yield a better EPA ... but for those of us who are willing to sacrifice some EPA efficiency in exchange for not having to leave the pleasures of London, then this kind of archaeology is an excellent avocation. You're absolutely right that labour plus favours is always better than just using labour. My point is just that the difference between labour/favours and another grind/favours is the same as the difference between labour and the other grind independently. Therefore, labour is only worthwhile if 1.98 EPA is the best grind open to you—whether because of mechanics or preference—even if you use favours on top of that. edited by Optimatum on 9/7/2018 -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Saklad Posts: 528 9/8/2018	dov wrote: Scripting is strictly prohibited by the game’s Terms of Use. I recommend rereading those terms. Unauthorised scripting is prohibited. That’s why I asked. They’ve actually approved the use of my script since this post. -- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 9/10/2018	Kaijyuu wrote: Yeah that always goes to trading revolutionaries favors. Really? I exchange this for Urchin favors. I mean, Revolutionaries can be used to write ballets, Criminals have the Penance card and the Expeditions... what do you do with Urchins? -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 9/8/2018	Yes! I love that your zailing progress unlocks a tiny thing in the Cave of the Nadir! -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 9/9/2018	Yeah that always goes to trading revolutionaries favors. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 9/16/2018	Ugh, most expensive expedition three times in a row and no triple Night Whispers treasure. So it is not dependent upon Watchful then. Perhaps they are a rare success? -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 9/17/2018	Lucy Ness wrote: I'm new to the game (a few months) and enjoying it but The Forgotten Quarter is confusing me. I don't know how to get staff -- specifically an archaeologist -- so that I can mount my own expedition. Game directions tell me to go to Ladybones Road, which I do, but I never seem to get anywhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Lucy Ness If you already have access to the Forgotten Quarter, you should see a storylet called Prepare for an Expedition in the Forgotten Quarter. You'll need to use items or Favours to get Expedition Supplies, then Learn the Traditions of the Forgotten Quarter so you can embark on expeditions. If you have more questions, I suggest asking in the Weekly Question Thread—here's the current one. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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