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Siegron
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8/5/2018
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Recently a character of mine has acquired a reservation for the Royal Bethlehem, and upon drawing the respected opportunity card I was also presented with something which drew my attention: Harvesting the Hotel. Now, as a respected and kind individual my character has not become a soul salesman, but instead a shepherd of souls, so this option is of course not available. What I want to know though is what exactly is the reward for that thing? If it's something worth it, then I may consider purchasing the same story for a different account, one who would love being a spirifer. Anyone that tried it out and is willing to share whether it's worth it?
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dov
Posts: 2580
8/12/2018
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Waterpls wrote:
Is Port Carnelian the best grind? Its 2.6 EpA or somewhere near.
Do you have reliable calculations that reach that number?
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Optimatum
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8/6/2018
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Honeyaddict is correct; it's items but no quirk changes.
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Shaerys
Posts: 65
8/6/2018
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Note also that for folks of the spirifage persuasion, souls transact at 3 brass per, making it a 2.2E card all told, which is relatively decent.
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xKiv
Posts: 846
8/8/2018
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Shaerys wrote:
Note also that for folks of the spirifage persuasion, souls transact at 3 brass per, making it a 2.2E card all told, which is relatively decent.
Well, technically ... you spend (1+40/1000) actions 1) getting 40 souls and 2 bril souls and 2) turning that in for 40/1000 of 3000 brass and 4 appalling secrets (plus a bit of suspicion if you are really unlucky), so ... ((3000+4*15)/25+2*50)/(1+1/25) = 213.84 ppa
(In Fallen London, talking is (usually) not a free action)
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Shaerys
Posts: 65
8/10/2018
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Specifically the second, right?
The first being what, do you recall? Not sure what we are comparing to. I sometimes see the claim that the Court of the Wakeful Eye's "Urchin Enslavement Grind" is better, but I'm skeptical. The claim there is that in the limit (i.e. with enough tribute offered to render the zee trip overhead negligible) that at 2.22epa it outperforms others. But Spirifer is a London-based grind, meaning you also have to fold in the gains from the opportunity deck, which if you've pared it down, means mostly connections-gain-and-cashout, the occasional Thieve's Cache expedition when able, and the individual > 1.8E cards (and there are a few out there). That is a fair proportion of actions, some even up in the 3-4E range. It isn't clear that aggregating those gains with the background "when nothing better offers" spirifage activity of 1.78epa won't perform better in the long run. I've intended to spreadsheet out a week of spirifaging in London (with high-EPA opportunities included) to see how it compares to a week at Court. Perhaps when I get back from Court (cough cough) I'll do so.
I do both grinds, largely determined by how much I want to be in London or just on autopilot. The Court is great because there are no decisions and actions are 4 a pop, so it is about literally 1 minute of activity a day, which is great for when you get busy or burned out, and I do a (merest) bit of spirifage when more engaged with the game generally, which is most of the time.
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idyl
Posts: 168
8/10/2018
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Shaerys wrote:
I sometimes see the claim that the Court of the Wakeful Eye's "Urchin Enslavement Grind" is better, but I'm skeptical. The claim there is that in the limit (i.e. with enough tribute offered to render the zee trip overhead negligible) that at 2.22epa it outperforms others. But Spirifer is a London-based grind, meaning you also have to fold in the gains from the opportunity deck, which if you've pared it down, means mostly connections-gain-and-cashout, the occasional Thieve's Cache expedition when able, and the individual > 1.8E cards (and there are a few out there). That is a fair proportion of actions, some even up in the 3-4E range. This is how I feel as well. I've done both grinds for a while now, switching between them, and am leaning toward the idea that staying in London is more lucrative. Also of note: the Urchin grind technically can only go up to ~2.19 EPA because staying any longer would cause you to miss a visit from Time, the Healer. Not a big deal, but still something to consider when comparing numbers. But you're right, it is super easy in the sense that you don't have to dedicate much time or effort to it.
As for staying in London, being able to draw cards that offer 3-4 EPA is what it's all about. Between Favours and other high paying cards, it seems silly to go somewhere for ~two weeks where you can't draw/play cards at all. Any actions not spent on cards can go to Spirifage for a decent average EPA overall. I've been meaning to do a comparison as well, but just haven't been able to bring myself to track and note every single action for two weeks. It's tough if you play some on desktop and some on mobile.
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dov
Posts: 2580
8/12/2018
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Waterpls wrote:
Nope. I personally have not tested that empirically. And its really hard to calculate due to random nature of that grind. Its just something i have read somewhere in that forum. Thats why i am asking.
It's indeed very hard to calculate. I don't remember seeing this particular number (2.6 EPA) mentioned.
The very early attempt to calculate this estimated an EPA of ~1.8, but it was a very initial assessment, based on some guess work and on a specific strategy (and was also before the cycle gave Tribute for siding with the Tigers).
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Ragnar Degenhand
Posts: 197
8/5/2018
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I recently had the privilege to assist sundry visitors to throw off their souly shackles and received [spoiler] 40 souls and two brilliant souls plus, I believe, a boost to heartless [/spoiler]
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Honeyaddict
Posts: 501
8/5/2018
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I've been a Spirifier in the past, and I believe it only gave you [spoiler] 40 souls and 2 Brilliant Souls [/spoiler]
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