Jolanda Swan
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Since we are one update before concluding our Ambitions, I was wondering: could we take on another after that?
I know you can reset your Ambition for Fate, but I would not like to lose whatever comes from the Marvellous (no matter if it is something material or a story quality in the end).
So just putting it out there: if and when we conclude our Ambitions, it would be great if we were allowed to take up new ones. It even makes narrative sense: you fulfill one goal, turn to another.
Of course since most players who fulfill an Ambition would be POSIs by that time, I am guessing the first steps would go by much faster, but still: three full new stories for endgame players who are constantly nagging for new content. Fate or not, I would jump at the opportunity.
edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/3/2018
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Honeyaddict
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Same here.
I've always wanted to do the other ambitions besides the one I'm currently on!
Or perhaps that you need certain requirements to unlock it?
Like for Nemesis: Dangerous 150 Unmodified + Watchful 100 Unmodified (and perhaps a small Fate cost)
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genesis
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Considering the effort it'll have taken to get to the end of the current ones I wouldn't hold my breath in the near future. I imagine FBG will breath a sigh of relief and focus on the many other loose ends that have been hanging around for, quite literally, years.
But, less realistically speaking, I would love new ambitions, of course
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empsk
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7/3/2018
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I can barely remember the details of my ambition. I agree, once I've finished off my nemesis, I'd love to go Vake-hunting. Heck, I'd be happy to reply my current ambition, given I started it in... 2012? I can't possibly be that old!
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Jolanda Swan
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7/3/2018
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But would it be so dificult?
You have quality Ambition: Heart's Desire: 1000 (meaning you concluded the ultimate update). This is one of the requirements that unlocks all other three ambitions.
It seems quite straightforward, though I might be missing something.
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Jolanda Swan
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7/3/2018
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Plus, Failbetter would have just unleashed a huge chunk of content for high level players: having to do all four ambitions would draw players back, give them new things to do, and make available to all so much delicious lore - that is already written and coded.
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Honeyaddict
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
But would it be so dificult?
You have quality Ambition: Heart's Desire: 1000 (meaning you concluded the ultimate update). This is one of the requirements that unlocks all other three ambitions.
It seems quite straightforward, though I might be missing something.
That could also be a good key to start a new ambition.
(Ambition: Heart's Desire: 0 or 1000) and (Ambition: Nemesis 0 or 1000) and (Ambition: Bag a Legend 0 or 1000) and (Ambition: Light Fingers 0 or 1000)
so either finished one or multiple and started no others, you're unable to select multiple at once. (assumption: 0 is not started and 1000 is finished)
And perhaps a special "bonus" if you have all at Quality 1000 (completely finished)?
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Has some ideas the Masters won't approve of like some items and establishing a Colony in Parabola.
I will accept most social interactions (not duping). I do enjoy role playing as well.
Have some possibly still active codes!
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Jolanda Swan
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7/3/2018
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Yes! A new grind equal to Paramount Presence, but with actual storylines instead of Making waves. No repetitive actions, and a final quality as crowning achievement.
Though I am guessing most players would jump at the opportunity without any need for additional perks at the end.
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Bitty
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7/3/2018
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Personally after the ambitions are complete, i'm hoping for another whole new really big story, but I realize how hard it'd be
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phryne
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7/3/2018
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Maybe there won't be an "after your Ambition".
Maybe the Ambitions will work like Seeking, by providing a true ending to your character's story.
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incerteza
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7/3/2018
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phryne wrote:
Maybe there won't be an "after your Ambition".
Maybe the Ambitions will work like Seeking, by providing a true ending to your character's story.
edited by phryne on 7/3/2018
That sounds too harsh, imho. I mean, at least seeking is straightforward about being a bad quest with a bad end. Making ambitions surprisingly lethal somehow makes them more cruel than seeking.
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Jason5237
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I appreciate the justification FB gave about a single ambition, but it's equally reasonable to have had more than one thing guide you to the Neath. Or, more than one thing to consume you after you had arrived.
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But it's their vision. Hope for the best, expect the worst - with the worst here being a character with a single ambition but who can reset to another for fate.
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Jolanda Swan
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7/3/2018
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I am not aware of the justification, to be honest.
I understand that there is one, major driving force but since picking a second one would only come really late in the game, after you already have a sense of your character I cannot see that as much of a problem.
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Dudebro Pyro
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7/3/2018
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The best thing is that these days I really couldn't give a damn about the Marvellous. I picked it way back when because it was advertised I think as "watchful and persuasive" and since then I've basically lost almost all interest.
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phryne
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7/4/2018
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incerteza wrote:
phryne wrote:
Maybe there won't be an "after your Ambition".
Maybe the Ambitions will work like Seeking, by providing a true ending to your character's story.
edited by phryne on 7/3/2018
That sounds too harsh, imho. I mean, at least seeking is straightforward about being a bad quest with a bad end. Making ambitions surprisingly lethal somehow makes them more cruel than seeking. "True ending" doesn't have to mean "bad" or "lethal" ending though... sorry if the Seeking comparison somehow overshadowed that.
But every game does have (or should have) some kind of ending, and I seem to recall that long long ago AK stated somewhere that FL definitely was intended to eventually provide an ending for each character, and that the Ambitions were tied into that.
Of course, I've zero idea what FB's current stance on that is.
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incerteza
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7/4/2018
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phryne wrote:
*snip*
But every game does have (or should have) some kind of ending, and I seem to recall that long long ago AK stated somewhere that FL definitely was intended to eventually provide an ending for each character, and that the Ambitions were tied into that.
Of course, I've zero idea what FB's current stance on that is.
I've found an article describing how FL uses destinies to give some sense of closure without truly ending a story. Don't know if it corresponds to FBG current stance, but it's an interesting article anyway.
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Jolanda Swan
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7/4/2018
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You pick an ambition at the start of the game with little or no sense of who you are and (in a meta sense) how long will you play. If you stick around though you get involved in wonderful and mind breaking things, you get married, you make friends. Though I picked the marvelous, three years after I know Jolanda would not end her romp through the Neath for the Desire she had in the beginning. And, for a variety of reasons, she wishes to find out more about the battle nuns, so she would love to go hunt the Vake.
Plus, you know, the player would love to have more stories at her disposal, especially the grand, sweeping stories of the Ambitions. The elections made me realise that, re-igniting my love of the game's storytelling aspect. On the other hand, I do not want to switch to another Ambition using Fate before I see the end of my current one.
Having said that, if the ultimate update for Heart's Desire ends my character, I will have to leave it unplayed, as I do not plan on quitting Fallen London. But spending 150 Fate to play all three ambitions up to their penultimate update won't be an option either - if I could finish them, then of course I would consider. But in any case, a character can fulfill one goal, then find themselves burn for longing for another wild quest, a new horizon.
PS Note that, from a gamist sense, this would be an option for end game characters. The game is struggling to provide something for them, and what we get tends to be ovetrly grindy: Poet Laureate, Courier's Footprint and Paramount Presence, as well as Cider, reputation 40 with all factions and the Court of the Wakeful Eye, are all essentially grinds with beautiful but sparse story attached. This would be something to strive for indeed - it could be months of content for players who have done everything else. From a marketing perspective, it would bring back players too; I noticed people coming back for the Light Fingers or even the return to the court.
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Honeyaddict
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phryne wrote:
*snip*
But every game does have (or should have) some kind of ending, and I seem to recall that long long ago AK stated somewhere that FL definitely was intended to eventually provide an ending for each character, and that the Ambitions were tied into that.
Of course, I've zero idea what FB's current stance on that is.
Well an Open Ending for the Ambitions would be better for Fallen London's Ambitions in my eyes.
Since I do not feel like Acquiring your goal should end your reason to be down here, some characters want to stay down here for better and for worse, some cannot return to the surface, some would gladly return to the surface etc...
And writing that many possible outcomes would be rather hard. Unless the "go back to the Surface" has a permanent Ending and thus leaves you with 2 options, return to the Surface or stay in the Neath, of course, each ending would depend on the ambition, which is why an Open Ending would be best imo.
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Jolanda Swan
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I can easily see each Ambition driving you to a point where you can no longer play your character but I doubt most people would go for that unless they planned on quitting the game anyway, and chose to play such an update for the closure. Some of the Seekers did that, but Seeking has always been an optional choice that came with dire warnings.
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