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Election 1896: The Captivating Princess

Absintheuse Moderator Posts: 348 6/18/2018	Feducci’s term is through! London requires a new Mayor! Whom will you support? Her Highness, the Empress' daughter, has entered the race. This presents a variety of constitutional difficulties. When questioned about this, the Captivating Princess merely smiles. She is determined to restore London to its former magnificence. A city to delight the eye, the ear, the appetite. It’s not surprise her motto is: “Make London Magnificent For Me.” Her jewel-studded campaign trail is easy to follow. This is because she travels in a very large gilded sedan, carried by six of Benthic College's burliest rowers. The Captivating Princess announced her candidacy from the balcony of the Shuttered Palace, in a show of defiance to constitutional norms, separation of crown and state, and good taste. Use the first week of London to investigate The Captivating Princess and the other candidates, as well as their platforms. More information on Election 1896 can be found in the Main Announcement thread. Want to learn more about this candidate? We'd recommend the the premium story, The Gift by Chris Gardiner, or last year’s premium story The Marriage of Feducci by Cash DeCuir. If you’re also a skyfaring captain, you may find her as The Incognito Princess officer in Sunless Skies.
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Chris Gardiner Administrator Posts: 539 6/18/2018	(Copying into this thread, too, because it applies to some of the things said here.) Dear lord. - We knew the Princess would be an officer in Skies, and needed a new portrait for her. - Since we knew she was in Skies, we thought it'd be fun to use her more in Fallen london, too (we did this with some characters for Sea and Zubmariner too). - The art for her in Fallen London was very old, and the art department weren't fond of it. - We asked the artist who did her Skies portrait to modify it into a Fallen London version representing her before the tumult of going into the heavens. - We specifically asked the artist to use the Skies portrait and modify it slightly, to make very clear it's the same character. - This helps make the character consistent across both games. We hope, as happened with Sunless Sea, that Skies will bring new players to Fallen London, and we want them to recognise some faces. I appreciate some players were fond of the old portrait. I'm afraid we weren't, and this was a good opportunity to update it. Any rude accusations of sloppiness or laziness will be treated exactly as the forum rules say they should be. I have zero problem with people critiquing our work, or preferring one piece of it to another. Everyone who works here has, without exception, had their heart broken when something we made wasn't met with the resposne we hoped. That's part of the job. Our audience is large and diverse, and different pieces of work are received with different amounts of enthusiasm by different people. But I can tell you (through gritted teeth, because I am amazed it is necessary) that not one person at Failbetter - nor any of our freelancers or collaborators - is lazy. Everyone here busts their ass to provide the best stories, art, and games we can. You can critique the work without impugning our work ethic or diligence. If you want to do that, you can do it somewhere else. I now return you to the shameful shennanigans and outrageous antics of election season.
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millea Posts: 45 6/18/2018	Just for fun - and I promise this will be the last time you see me post on the topic - me and my friend played around with the new Princess art to match her a bit closer to the original version. here's mine, edited the Sskies portrait someone linked and his, based on the election poster! -- Elvira Blake, the Pariah's Doctor. ༺⚜️༻ Anne Meredith, the Disfigured Captain.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/18/2018	gronostaj, I think that's putting things rather rudely. Also, given she looks exactly the same (barring hair/makeup/outfit) in Sunless Skies, I think we can just assume the Princess doesn't age conventionally. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Tyrconnell Posts: 271 6/18/2018	It's... the same person. I am totally fine with it being the same art with some tweaks. I was (and am) a fan of the old, ominous Captivating Princess, and I agree that this new, fresh-faced and innocent-looking Princess gives a different impression. That's okay, though! Now she's less overtly menacing, which is different but is also fine. London has enough overt monstrosities to fit some sweet-faced ones in too. Don't vote for her, though. That is not the kind of party, political or social, that you want roiling London for a year. -- Tyrconnell, a gentleman and doctor of diverse interests and multifarious proclivities
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/20/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: I will not be voting for the Captivating Princess because I don't like her dog. That's actually the Empresses' dog. Ooops. Well, I still don't like animals that the Princess keeps. Those are her brothers and sisters. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/18/2018	I do not think anyone minds the changing eye colour. However, appearance sets a narrative. When you drastically alter it, the narrative changes - violently. The Contrarian was handsome. The Princess was a Victorian femme-fatale. Change them to something else, no matter how good the art, and you upset the building the player's mind. The Sunless Skies portrait retains the captivating aspect, no matter the colour scheme. This portrait presents us with a different princess. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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genesis Posts: 924 6/18/2018	Her glamourous appearance is unnatural and we don't know the details of her human->monster->human transformation. Unnatural youth may well be part of that -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Cooper Posts: 61 6/25/2018	"Vote Spider Council. Hard at work while the city sleeps!" -- Padraig Cooper, Remorseful Opportunist. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Padraig%20Cooper
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Passionario Posts: 777 6/25/2018	I want the Princess to lose for once. We already know what happens when she gets what she wants. I want to see what happens when she doesn't. -- Passionario: Profile, Story, Ending Passion: Profile, Appearance
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/18/2018	gronostaj wrote: now that i saw the Sunless Skies portrait I can joyfully say................ it's literally the same portrait except with a sloppy overpaint of long hair and bigger anime eyes. Or it might well simply be that artist used the same base for both pictures and tweaked each for the different scenario as needed. That is a perfectly normal way to make alternative pieces where the only thing that varies is hairstyle / attire / expression etc. As an artist myself it hurts a little when people claim 'sloppy overpaint' just because an entirely new picture wasn't painted from the ground up. -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/25/2018	Right. Why not vote a spider council then? They will are already eating our eyeballs and maybe if we bury them in bureaucracy, they will be too busy to leave us completely blind. Makes perfect sense. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/28/2018	I feel like the whole "imprisoning people and turning their heads into hives so that bees can eat their memories and turn them into honey, then consuming that honey, entering those memories, and causing their owners still further agony" thing is also worth mentioning. The whole torture-garden element. That's something that might be of interest to the voting public. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Rhode Wardwado Posts: 27 6/19/2018	Absintheuse wrote: She is determined to restore London to its former magnificence. A city to delight the eye, the ear, the appetite. Considering how things play out during The Gift, I'm really not on board with her talking about turning the city into something that would delight "the appetite." :\| -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Rhode%20Wardwado
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PSGarak Posts: 834 6/18/2018	I suspect at least half of the opinions between the old & new art are from the general difference in art direction that Fallen London has gone in over the past few years. There are distinct 'eras' of FL art that co-exist in the game, and the updating art also changes the 'era' which is the biggest clash. Personally I found the old art for the Princess a little... restrained... for her supposed character. Or maybe her character has become less restrained in the more recent stories (my Ambition doesn't cross her path). I get what people are saying about the subtle implications of the coloring and background, but the old art just doesn't seem very Captivating. More Captive, if anything. The new art looks like a gregarious, sociable, enthusiastic, high-energy person. Which is how she's portrayed (at least, the face she puts on). The current portrait is more appropriate for someone who is actively pushing stories forward. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 6/18/2018	Kaijyuu wrote: Away from the art discussion for a moment... Remember which princess we're dealing with here. I honestly don't know if she'll follow the rules... any rules. What's to stop her from taking the position by royal fiat? Or at the very least sending all her political opponents to some dungeon to be consumed by some monster (maybe her). She's a wee bit more... powerful than the previous candidates. She either has ulterior motives or finds this to be some sort of amusing game. Otherwise she'd just declare herself mayor right now and get it over with. I don't think anyone could "disappear" Slowcake when he exist as a social construct backed by Hell, though? -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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millea Posts: 45 6/18/2018	Frederick, doesn't this only push gronostaj's point even further? If even in Sskies she looks like the good ol' portrait we knew, what's the cause of her sudden de-aging here? -- Elvira Blake, the Pariah's Doctor. ༺⚜️༻ Anne Meredith, the Disfigured Captain.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/18/2018	millea wrote: Frederick, doesn't this only push gronostaj's point even further? If even in Sskies she looks like the good ol' portrait we knew, what's the cause of her sudden de-aging here? Beg pardon; I mean that she looks the same in Skies as she does in her election poster. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/20/2018	Call me cynical, call me untrusting, but I'm not quite convinced that the Princess's plans for slum clearances involve replacing said slums with, say, decent-quality, affordable housing. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/21/2018	I predict the winning piece of the Princess' art competition will be an architectural model depicting Spite redesigned as an expansive apiary of Rostygold-guilded cages. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Hattington Posts: 210 6/26/2018	Kylestien wrote: When asked about the constitutional issues: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien?fromEchoId=14308585 She did at least some research and had a (Albeit brief) moment of realization. I do not know if the options repeat like Slowcake does. "There's more to holding power than having fun." She almost starts, as though this is a moment of realisation. "He doesn't care for London. For him it's an arena, but for me it's a stage. And we all have our parts here. Even you." That's...almost endearing! I was expecting some kind of monomaniacal rant where she leaves subtle insinuations about honey and predation and such. Ye gods, if I didn't know any better I'd think this was a quote from Nero of Fate/Extra instead of our resident eater of identities. The Princess having any degree of care for London is by far the biggest twist of the election so far. I can't even read it as a false appeal, she did call you "her creature" in the other one after all. edited by Hattington on 6/26/2018 -- The Dawnburnt Vake-Rider: https://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/Hattington
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/23/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. As I recall, being able to manage subordinates and synthesize your ideas into workable programs is a very important aspect of being Mayor. Our last Mayor wasn't very good at that. Political astuteness and managerial competence are two excellent reasons to not vote for the Captivating Princess. I disagree - if you want a truly wicked arts festival [snip] I would just as soon avoid that kind of arts festival as the difference between attendee and installation would like to become uncomfortably blurred. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/25/2018	A thought occurs. Yes the Princess consumes a deeply immoral drug and occasionally eats people, when not driving unfortunate lovers to suicide. But would being London's Mayor actually make her any worse in this regard? She's already consuming all the people and red honey she can, at the taxpayers expense too. Being Mayor wouldn't do anything to increase this consumption. In fact, having a hobby, something to work on and distract herself with, might decrease her appetite a bit. So in this sense a public arts festival could conceivably save lives by reducing the amount of free time the Princess has on her hands, thereby reducing the amount of people she consumes. So the safest option would be to make the Princess the head of London's municipal government. At the worst she won't do anything she isn't already doing, and at best she'll do less of what she's already doing. . edited by Anne Auclair on 6/25/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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menaulon Posts: 112 6/20/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: You're somewhat burying the lead. The Captivating Princess wants to demolish Spite and build something marvelous on its ruins. Which is just the sort of grand design we've all come to expect from the greatest of Her Majesty's children. Remember how Napoleon III redesigned Paris, tracing out the new boulevards with a divine hand? London could be greater than Paris! btw, doesn't the Music Hall Singer live in Spite? We might be hearing from her at some point. . edited by Anne Auclair on 6/20/2018 I don't think Napoleon III and Paris is quite the right comparison to Princess's plan for Spite. To me, what really comes to mind is Nero's Domus Aurea. Only the Princess might actually be playing the fiddle. Sir Frederick wrote: Call me cynical, call me untrusting, but I'm not quite convinced that the Princess's plans for slum clearances involve replacing said slums with, say, decent-quality, affordable housing. Doesn't sound cynical to me. I mean, she is already sealing the doors to tenements shut. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menaulon?fromEchoId=14265379 Caring about the poor isn't a part of this platform, art is. -- Menaulon Open to social actions, but would prefer to be betrayed in the search for Photographer.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/18/2018	I would think the Jovial Contrarian is a foregone conclusion... huh. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/19/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Feducci called. He wants his campaign back. He can't have it. I stole it fair and square. -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/18/2018	Well, when my favourite character in the game runs for office it isn't a hard decision to make who to support. I don't even think I would mind if she didn't win, I am thrilled simply to support her millea wrote: Frederick, doesn't this only push gronostaj's point even further? If even in Sskies she looks like the good ol' portrait we knew, what's the cause of her sudden de-aging here? Except she doesn't look like 'the good 'ol portrait we knew'. She looks much like this new portrait, except with shorter hair and in uniform, so the two of them match. Here's her Sunless Skies portrait: http://www.failbettergames.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/incognitoprincess_blog.png Personally, I like both portraits. I think the old one had more charm as it emphasis her alluring dark nature, but I still like this one. And while she does look younger here, I don't think she look's like a teenager. And I think the art itself looks fine. My only small complaint is the fact that her eyebrows are raised and her eyes open and round, which invokes a sense of being innocent rather than captivating. . edited by Akernis on 6/18/2018 -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 6/18/2018	Echo to learn more about the captivating princess. Wanted to go with her only for the madness, but "This sounds like journalism. I shall ban journalists" is a no-no for me! Next devilish candidate! EDIT: And echo if you try to upset her. Hum, wonder if it has a rare success. edited by Skinnyman on 6/18/2018 -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/18/2018	millea wrote: Thank you for the link, Akernis! I don't have access to SSkies so details like that miss me completely. Happy to help ^^ millea wrote: It's, frankly, still strange to me. Why was her design changed so dramatically? She had a set appearance before - reddish-brown hair, brown eyes. Now she's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty? For what reason? Not sure, but she reminds my a little of Queen Victoria now, which I thought was a nice detail - albeit probably an accidental one. If you go up in roleplay you can always say that rather than a true portrait this is more an electoral poster made of her to appeal more to London's populace imagination of what a Victorian princess should be like. And in public it's amazing what contacts and makeup can do. -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Ixc Posts: 365 6/18/2018	My problem is that her eyes aren't red. And I just generally imagined she wore red. Besides, a red background suits her. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fallenlondon/images/a/af/Princess2.png/revision/latest?cb=20130215212943 -- Pleased to meet you. Ixc, spy and detective. Inventor of the Correspondence Cannon. Are you a Paramount Presence? Record your name here. For posterity, of course. Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
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millea Posts: 45 6/18/2018	Thank you for the link, Akernis! I don't have access to SSkies so details like that miss me completely. It's, frankly, still strange to me. Why was her design changed so dramatically? She had a set appearance before - reddish-brown hair, brown eyes. Now she's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty? For what reason? -- Elvira Blake, the Pariah's Doctor. ༺⚜️༻ Anne Meredith, the Disfigured Captain.
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 6/18/2018	Away from the art discussion for a moment... Remember which princess we're dealing with here. I honestly don't know if she'll follow the rules... any rules. What's to stop her from taking the position by royal fiat? Or at the very least sending all her political opponents to some dungeon to be consumed by some monster (maybe her). She's a wee bit more... powerful than the previous candidates. She either has ulterior motives or finds this to be some sort of amusing game. Otherwise she'd just declare herself mayor right now and get it over with. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/18/2018	Not when her icon for years made her look an elegant beauty in her late twenties at the earlier. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 6/19/2018	I suppose that's rather in-character, is it not? Especially if she ends up winning purely due to the average player not being properly informed. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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cleanfear Posts: 17 6/19/2018	How can anyone not vote for the princess? Look at those eyes burning brightly almost like.. the sun.. the sun the sun the sun the sun the... -- Elduin, Paramount Presence extraordinaire accepting applications for patronage. Send me a calling card: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Elduin Currently reciting poetry in the language of the stars to his Übergoat
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/20/2018	0bsidian Fire wrote: An Echo of what the Captivating Princess thinks of Mr. Slowcake: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kharagal%20Mierqid?fromEchoId=14269475 You're somewhat burying the lead. The Captivating Princess wants to demolish Spite and build something marvelous on its ruins. Which is just the sort of grand design we've all come to expect from the greatest of Her Majesty's children. Remember how Napoleon III redesigned Paris, tracing out the new boulevards with a divine hand? London could be greater than Paris! btw, doesn't the Music Hall Singer live in Spite? We might be hearing from her at some point. . edited by Anne Auclair on 6/20/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/21/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: I predict the winning piece of the Princess' art competition will be an architectural model depicting Spite redesigned as an expansive apiary of Rostygold-guilded cages. What do you have against affordable housing? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 6/22/2018	Well, as we learned from Feducci's unfortunately uneventful term, the mayor can't do too much in terms of broad, sweeping change. Her plan of major art projects and beautification seem far more reasonable than "we will upset the entirety of social order" or "majorly altering rule of law" when both are the dominion of the masters. So Change We Can Believe In seems to be what she can do. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/25/2018	Passionario wrote: I want the Princess to lose for once. We already know what happens when she gets what she wants. I want to see what happens when she doesn't. A splendid argument for supporting not the Captivating Princess! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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lukeskylicker Posts: 85 6/23/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. As I recall, being able to manage subordinates and synthesize your ideas into workable programs is a very important aspect of being Mayor. Our last Mayor wasn't very good at that. Political astuteness and managerial competence are two excellent reasons to not vote for the Captivating Princess. I disagree - if you want a truly wicked arts festival, with all possible meanings of the word wicked, then being able to manage, synthesize, and delegate are essential qualities for an executive. As Feducci showed last Hollowmas there is a system in place for the mayor to dedicate tasks to. My term as (if my memory serves me well) sub-sub-sub-sub-deputy mayor is drawing to a close I never did anything during my term. I'll admit I was hardly the highest in the pecking order but this makes it clear that Feducci was not using the full extent of his powers and did everybodies job with a quarter of the time required. If that. Delegating more menial tasks to people like myself, rather than treat them as mere titles, will allow her to focus on issues that actually require her attention. This will even create new jobs for the people of our glorious city. VOTE PRINCESS '96! A VOTE FOR HER IS A VOTE FOR CHANGE!* *actual effects of 'change' may vary between individuals. If you live in Spite, or other areas where poverty is common, you may want to ask your salon host if 'Captivating Princess' is right for you. If you experience nausea, vomiting, fevered honey dreams, a new found sense of patriotism, or chest pains, continue taking 'Captivating Princess' and report to the special constables. WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/lukeskylicker A man who likes to sound smart when he's really just making it up as he goes. Rehabilitator of Wretched Mogs.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/27/2018	The talking about Jenny's term made me wonder: I too got the idea that she did a lot as a Mayor, though her efforts where not so sweeping as she had hoped. But yes, the school, the public works, the literacy program, the welfare, the urchins... of course all these are easily lost because, as is logical, the mayor does not change the face of London. But maybe an Exceptional Story or the continuation of an existing story, available to all, could focus on what the previous mayors left behind. Show something of Jenny's work, or Feducci's chaos perhaps. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/26/2018	Flash Lay wrote: A short-lived exercise asking voters what kind of art they liked was swiftly abandoned when, as the Princess put it, "They gave boring answers." Good for her. Focus groups are stupid. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Kylestien Posts: 749 6/26/2018	When asked about the constitutional issues: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien?fromEchoId=14308585 She did at least some research and had a (Albeit brief) moment of realization. I do not know if the options repeat like Slowcake does. -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Aberrant Eremite Posts: 362 6/28/2018	Akernis wrote: I would very much like to know who these 'any other characters' are. Any time I have seen her spoken off in the game it has been with nothing less than adoration and infatuation. It is frequently mentioned how people in her presence hang on to her every wink, word, and smile and look at you with jealousy if she favours you. The game even make a point of joking - "No one has a bad word to say about her, ever, and don't you forget it." (paraphrasing). . Well, that one right there, to start with. Don't you know a threat when you hear one? The pollster visibly trembles if you vote for the Princess. She openly calls you "Unwise" if you choose to be alone on a desert island with her. Her lovers commit suicide so regularly that you hear about it all the time, upgrading items (on at least two separate results) or quashing rumors for the Court. If you drink with a junior under-butler at the Palace, he drinks to the health of the Empress, then mutters, 'And may she live forever, or we're all gone to our graves.' (I read this to mean that he's terrified of the prospect of the Princess being unrestrained, perhaps even succeeding - she is, after all, the only one of the Royal Children who can appear in public. With certain artistic works, such as modern music, you're told something like "the Captivating Princess was only narrowly prevented from seeking you out personally." (I read this to mean that your admirers acted to protect you, by preventing her from doing so, because everyone knows what happens to people who get her attention.) Those are the ones I can recall offhand, but I think there are more. Just about every time she's mentioned, it's with dread. Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil. -- Hieronymus Drake: Gentleman scholar, big-game hunter, scar-faced aristocrat. Remarkably sane, all things considered. Tanith Wyrmwood: Longshanks cat-burglar; Bohemian author; now, perhaps, something more. Bubbly, expressive, and affectionate. It’s not only still waters that run deep. Telemachia Lee: Gentle lady by birth, brawling Docker by choice. Good company in the drunk tank.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/26/2018	I think that, in all my years in the Neath, I've seen Parliament take action on something... once. And they needed my help to do it. One might as well blame Feducci's failings on the Moon. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Snowskeeper Posts: 575 6/26/2018	Sir Frederick wrote: I think that, in all my years in the Neath, I've seen Parliament take action on something... once. And they needed my help to do it. One might as well blame Feducci's failings on the Moon. I mean, not the set of celestial objects I'd have chosen. -- S.F., a midnight midnighter and invisible eminence. Impossible to locate them, personally, but there are dead drops and agents.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/22/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. As I recall, being able to manage subordinates and synthesize your ideas into workable programs is a very important aspect of being Mayor. Our last Mayor wasn't very good at that. Political astuteness and managerial competence are two excellent reasons to not vote for the Captivating Princess. I disagree - if you want a truly wicked arts festival, with all possible meanings of the word wicked, then being able to manage, synthesize, and delegate are essential qualities for an executive. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/25/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: A Spider Council with access to lots of eyeballs will have less reason to take both your eyeballs then a Spider Council with access to fewer eyeballs. I like how nobody thinks it will be their eyeball in the spider menu. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/21/2018	Gul al-Ahlaam wrote: I am delighted by the wisdom some of you have shown, but disappointed in the misdirected priorities of others. Where is your vision? The Princess alone among the candidates understands the power of art to transform and to enlighten! The transfiguration of Spite is nothing less than a profound act of kindness: it offers those without hope for a meaningful future a chance to engage tangibly with the act of creation, to become a part of something beautiful and enduring. To claim she does not care for the people of London is to reveal the tragic limits of your own compassion. Hear hear! The clearance and transformation of Spite might at first glance seem like a heartless policy, but it is really in the best interests of its inhabitants. Spite as it now exists is a wretched slum of broken tenements and sweatshops, menaced by crime and disease, overflowing with drunks and stray cats. Spite is a great sore, one its people stick to from misplaced sentiment and lack of alternatives. By clearing it all away, Spites people will be freed from the miasmic pollution that has held them down. They shall be given new, cleaner, safer homes in the vacant lands of Bugsby's Marsh. And as replacing Spite with the great avenues of glory envisioned by the Princess in her heavenly dreams will naturally require considerable labor, Spite's former inhabitants will be given well compensated jobs by which to pay for their new, superior homes. So the people as a whole shall benefit from the modernization and beautification of the city, as the people of Paris benefited from the grand designs of the Emperor Napoleon III. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/21/2018	lady ciel wrote: As she is an officer in Sunless Skies maybe the Contrarian has heard rumours of a certain future event. That was my thought too. It seems more likely that her trip could be to the High Wilderness. Also, appetite is a central theme of Fallen London and all its delicious wonders. But the Princess shows interest in pleasure, not hunger. She is hedonistic, and drawn to things that stimulates her fascination and aesthetic - such as glamour, beautiful art, forbidden pleasures like honey, and charming company. The Princess is all about experiencing the things Neath life has to offer, not cutting it short in pursuit of a reckoning. And I would think that she is far to vain and narcissistic to desire to indulge in the self-destroying tendencies of Seekers. -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	Kaijyuu wrote: But the puppy is so adorable! Sure its alter-ego eats some chains or something, but it's a jekyll/hyde type thing and I'm not sure the puppy even realizes it. When you get a nightmare hound, you quickly learn that they are the sweetest things. To their owners anyway. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Hotshot Blackburn Posts: 110 6/18/2018	Eh, if there's any critique to be made appearance wise it's more due to the original Sunless Skies character being a departure from the old art of the Captivating Princess than the same image being used as a reference base for this updated image. I suspect part of the disorientation is from people who didn't play Sunless Skies and so weren't aware that the Princess was A. present in there and B. had a portrait that was that different. Still, aesthetic shouldn't be the basis for a vote, platform should be! And yes, no , the Princess's platform is horrible. I've read what happens when her Appetite is allowed to take control. The masses of London should not be broken in body and mind to fulfill the hedonistic desires of one individual at the top. -- Hotshot Blackburn: Messidor, Aspirant to the Calendar Council. Paramount Presence. Seeker of the Name. A firm believer in kindness, solidarity, and sufficient use of force and firepower.
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easter Posts: 30 6/18/2018	I better get a red "Make London Magnificent Again" hat if I back her.
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The Atumian Sputum Posts: 137 6/18/2018	We need a pretty ruler! How is our city supposed to be pretty, if our ruler isn't? Vote the Captivating Princess today! -- Straight outta Dahut.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 6/18/2018	All I really want to say is that her eyes are so wide open that it makes the lower eyelids look downright drooping. It's eerily unnatural, and not in the "half-monstrous red-honey-consuming creepy thing" way, but more in the "are you alright, woman?" way. Otherwise, I'm happy to accept the explanation that she's not entirely a normal human, her eyes don't have a defined colour, and she decided to appear more innocent than her usual femme fatale look for campaigning purposes, so there is a logical explanation to her changed look (unlike one other candidate, cough cough). -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/18/2018	Her platform is still painful though. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575 6/19/2018	0bsidian Fire wrote: Ironically, I think this is the only candidate that could be said to be backing a section of London in any capacity. Mr. Slowcake is Hell, the Jovial Contrarian has ties to the Revolutionaries and the Captivating Princess seems to want London's magnificence restored (at everyone's expense, but still...). I wouldn't be so quick to judge, since many revolutionaries have the interests of London and her people at heart. Many even take up the cause because of perceived injustice and the harm that's come to the city (however valid or accurate these reasons may be). And even with his revolutionary ties, the Contrarian is notorious for his dual stance on any matter. Last year, he took up a position for a free and democratic London, even risking to remain balanced by snubbing his influencial revolutionary contacts and attempting to find a revolution in which "the lights need not go out". This year, he's calling for a more orderly London with respect to the law. How anti-revolutionary this movement is, I can't be for certain, but I wouldn't say anti-establishment goals are worse than selfish indulgence and harm of citizens. PSGarak wrote: The new art looks like a gregarious, sociable, enthusiastic, high-energy person. Which is how she's portrayed (at least, the face she puts on). The current portrait is more appropriate for someone who is actively pushing stories forward. I agree! Her new portrait is a bit different, but it's still recognizable to me as the Princess and overall a lovely touch-up. I particularly liked how her complexion in this and the SS portraits bares the face of a young and vibrant socialite while almost seeming offputting due to how "perfect she seems". Still doesn't mean I'll vote for her; honestly, I'd toast a drink with her as soon as I'd shove her into the silent river. Also, while I could see where some are coming from with age consistency, I wouldn't call her a teenager. She is youthful and healthy to an almost unnatural degree, and though I understand others' want for accuracy, we have seen children in FL, and a child she is not. -- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft Available for any and all social actions.
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Ixc Posts: 365 6/19/2018	Seon wrote: I'm scared. I feel as if she'll stab me if I don't vote for her. edited by Seon on 6/18/2018 I'm scared of this "art exhibition" she's going to have. It'll probably be like last time edited by Ixc on 6/19/2018 edited by Ixc on 6/19/2018 -- Pleased to meet you. Ixc, spy and detective. Inventor of the Correspondence Cannon. Are you a Paramount Presence? Record your name here. For posterity, of course. Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
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hwoosh Posts: 104 6/18/2018	.......................................... -____- -- Persona: hwoosh R Fellow Oswho. Don't ask what the "R." stands for. The poor fellow is sensitive about it. And violent. Most social requests gladly and promptly answered.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 6/18/2018	Kaijyuu wrote: Estelle Knoht wrote: I don't think anyone could "disappear" Slowcake when he exist as a social construct backed by Hell, though? Could still "disappear" his supporters. Which might be nice if it happened to the Amanuensis... Isn't that way too many people, bees and goats to be "disappearing'? -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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millea Posts: 45 6/18/2018	Also, as someone just reminded me - the Princess was born around the Fall, which makes her in her thirties as of 1896. She looks distinctly teenage here. I do not think anyone minds the changing eye colour. However, appearance sets a narrative. When you drastically alter it, the narrative changes - violently. I personally mind it because it was part of the narrative. edited by millea on 6/18/2018 -- Elvira Blake, the Pariah's Doctor. ༺⚜️༻ Anne Meredith, the Disfigured Captain.
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hwoosh Posts: 104 6/18/2018	millea wrote: Thank you for the link, Akernis! I don't have access to SSkies so details like that miss me completely. It's, frankly, still strange to me. Why was her design changed so dramatically? She had a set appearance before - reddish-brown hair, brown eyes. Now she's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty? For what reason? I generally agree with the new portrait being strange and unappealing, but.... the new portrait's hair being blonde?? It is brown. Just not reddish-brown like the old one. -- Persona: hwoosh R Fellow Oswho. Don't ask what the "R." stands for. The poor fellow is sensitive about it. And violent. Most social requests gladly and promptly answered.
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Gul al-Ahlaam Posts: 225 6/21/2018	I am delighted by the wisdom some of you have shown, but disappointed in the misdirected priorities of others. Where is your vision? The Princess alone among the candidates understands the power of art to transform and to enlighten! The transfiguration of Spite is nothing less than a profound act of kindness: it offers those without hope for a meaningful future a chance to engage tangibly with the act of creation, to become a part of something beautiful and enduring. To claim she does not care for the people of London is to reveal the tragic limits of your own compassion. -- The Uncanny Hierophant. The Jewel-Eyed Prince.
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Vryl Posts: 52 6/21/2018	Perhaps this is pointless conjecture, but I was curious what others might make of it. Many of us already know of the Princess's... appetites. She even says that she wants London to delight the appetite. In a potentially unrelated note, the Jovial Contrarian believes she is planning a journey and her heart is not in London. Could it be that the lovely princess is Seeking the Name? Would such an esteemed and important person really journey North? -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Vryl
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Seon Posts: 29 6/18/2018	I'm scared. I feel as if she'll stab me if I don't vote for her. edited by Seon on 6/18/2018
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Winthropx Posts: 166 6/19/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Winthropx wrote: I'm just thinking of this, but in some people's London, she's married to our current mayor. Wouldn't voting her in be like giving him a second term? edited by Winthropx on 6/19/2018 I'm confident the writers have figured out how to make that work. They probably do, I just don't want to help him out at all. He made the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner tear up last year. I can't forgive him for that. -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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Gul al-Ahlaam Posts: 225 6/25/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: Right. Why not vote a spider council then? They will are already eating our eyeballs and maybe if we bury them in bureaucracy, they will be too busy to leave us completely blind. Makes perfect sense. Spider councils are not eating our eyeballs, the very notion is absurd! They are laying eggs in our eyeballs, and I am assured many find that it is a great honor to donate something so trifling to birth such a wise and beautiful beast. Eyes are tricksters, after all, building images from reflected light and expecting us to believe them, twitching around in our heads and pointing at things that do them harm. They're foolish little creatures, with no regard for their own good our ours. It's really no wonder so many people say they get along better without them, not to mention how perfectly fashionable blindfolds have become. All things considered a spider council could really make better use of your eyes than you could, don't you agree? Of course, there are other considerations. Perhaps some day soon we'll have no need of eyes at all. Won't you look silly then. edited by Gul al-Ahlaam on 6/25/2018 -- The Uncanny Hierophant. The Jewel-Eyed Prince.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/27/2018	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Speaking of accomplishments, what did Jenny do? Built one school, right? While that's more than the literally nothing on Feducci's record, it's still nothing particularly noteworthy for an entire year in office. Jenny definitely had overwhelming public support, and apparently shady deals with Masters, and being a populist candidate she garnered the support of the (mostly poor) masses, yet all she did was build one school. She did a bit more than that. She established a Department of Public Works and staffed it with her unqualified Bohemian friends. She created an extremely basic welfare state, the principal beneficiaries again being the Bohemians. She conducted a literacy campaign among the Dockers, with the apparent aim of aiding their unionization campaigns and making it harder for Mr. Fires to cheat them. She also regularly invited ordinary and poor Londoners into the Mayoral Manor for public events and such. And there was a clandestine war between the Mayor's office and Mr. Huffam's Gazette. All of this was in the background though because it was of only incidental importance to player characters (who weren't working in the DoPW, didn't need welfare, aren't dockworkers, and only occasionally interact with the Gazette). This is in pretty clear contrast with Feducci, whose time in office was largely devoted to mischief, intrigue, and gambling. Which is rather ironic, as Feducci ridiculed Jenny's accomplishments shortly before taking office. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/27/2018	Given the one thing Feducci definitely has done in the course of his term... is catalogue, and potentially recruit, a number of dangerous fighters with dubious political and legal allegiances. I half wonder if he won't attempt some sort of public disturbance or uprising before the election's over. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Wilhelm Leibniz III Posts: 63 6/27/2018	So basically this is a pretty accurate emulation of real world politics. Ridicule and be critical of predecessor, fail to meet on campaign promises due to either incompetence(arguably Feducci) or a harsh reality(arguably Jenny). IE Jenny did little(at least compared to what she had wanted) because it turned out there was little she could do but did what she was able too, Feducci did little publicly because he never really wanted to do anything grandiose. Remember this is a mayor. From a power standpoint they are still beholden to the Masters, the Bazaar, and technically the Her Enduring Majesty/The Traitor Empress. If they do not want it to happen, they can make it stop, or make you suffer for it. edited by Wilhelm Leibniz III on 6/27/2018 -- Wilhelm Leibniz III, Glassman, Hearts Desire
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Kylestien Posts: 749 6/26/2018	Echo for if you back the Princess and go for the 10 rep option: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien?fromEchoId=14307806 Not ominous at all. -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/28/2018	Akernis wrote: Aberrant Eremite wrote: Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil. Well argued. I disagree with a lot of your interpretations about those point, but you do make good points It does say she wears scandal like a parisian gown, I think it would be most accurate to say that her public image is one adoration, and that those who knows or suspect that there is more to the matter only hints at it. The Princess during her Ball makes reference to "the stories" and asks you not to believe all of them. To me this suggests that most Londoners know or suspect that there is something rather wrong with their Princess, just as there is something rather wrong with the rest of the Royal family. But they willfully ignore this and try and think of happier things, because the Princess is beautiful and young and human shaped and without her there would only be the dreary Empress, a dubiously alive Consort, and some monsters in the cellar. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/29/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: This is a very accurate representation. No one can accuse me of honey-coating her. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/29/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: This is a very accurate representation. No one can accuse me of honey-coating her. After all, she does that well enough herself! -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Snowskeeper Posts: 575 6/29/2018	If she can't get at us as the Princess, she won't be getting at us as Mayor Princess. edited by Snowskeeper on 6/29/2018 -- S.F., a midnight midnighter and invisible eminence. Impossible to locate them, personally, but there are dead drops and agents.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/29/2018	Hey now - no making suggestive remarks about fellow forum-users without their permission. It's impolite. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/29/2018	This is a very accurate representation. People would rather not believe the heir apparent (no-one else shows up) is what the stories paint her to be - but the stories are persistent enough. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/27/2018	Aberrant Eremite wrote: Consider this: Practically every time any other character who knows the Princess speaks about her, they seem utterly terrified of her. No other figure in London is so feared by the people who know her best. I would very much like to know who these 'any other characters' are. Any time I have seen her spoken off in the game it has been with nothing less than adoration and infatuation. It is frequently mentioned how people in her presence hang on to her every wink, word, and smile and look at you with jealousy if she favours you. The game even make a point of joking - "No one has a bad word to say about her, ever, and don't you forget it." (paraphrasing). Indeed, the very best MW boost you can get in the entire game is by the Princess visiting your salon, which is enough to get you to Notability 13, even with no BDR modifiers. Everyone of polite society adore her, and before this election I had never seen anyone who were not of the upper class even mention her. Yes, we, the players, know that she indulges in habits that could generously be called horrific, but to London's population she is someone to be admired not feared. I think the Contrarian is actually the first person I have heard explicitly saying something negative about her. . edited by Akernis on 6/27/2018 -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Do Anh Kim Posts: 2 6/26/2018	Yeah, I feel the Nero vibe as well, both of them are hedonist characters and hold art at high value. This does not surprise me at all, while narcissistic does love themselves above all, they're also capable to take great care for their "trophy". The Princess clearly views London as her proud possession, she will make sure it lives up to her standard. Now, wherever that "standard" would benefit the majority or not is another story. edited by DoAnhKim on 6/26/2018
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/26/2018	Snowskeeper wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Snowskeeper wrote: We are startled you all still seem so concerned with the platforms. Feducci's failed term indicates enforced stagnancy, possibly due to a powerhungry parliament. Feducci had a nonsensical and poorly thought out platform that he found thoroughly unworkable once in office. Among the many things that Feducci's failed term indicates is the need for a good, workable platform that can be properly implemented. And, to be fair, all three candidates have that this year: the public arts festival, the people's forum, and constable reform. He had a year to work. Despite the support from the Crown, and tremendous aupport from the public, he proved completely impotent in office. It may be rather too optimistic, to blame that entirely on disorganization. He didn't have the support of the Crown though. The Princess might like him, but Her Undying Majesty and the rest of Society seemed decidedly more cool. Nor did he ever have more than a plurality of the public behind him - he won only 45% of the vote, his victory speech was met by as many boos as cheers, and his residence was under constant protest. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 6/20/2018	Depending on your completion of a Fate-locked story, they're engaged, married or estranged. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/21/2018	I FINALLY got the opportunity to ask the Princess about her actual, concrete plans. Her answer was...surprisingly well thought out and reasonable. The Captivating Princess wrote: She turns to survey the streets. "I believe art ennobles. The city is squalid. It is depressed. It needs things of beauty; to inspire and swell the heart." She pauses. "Practically speaking, I mean to host a competition for more public art. We'll have a grand show at the end of it. I will judge." I'm going to be honest - I really like this idea! Anyway, it seems all the plans to demolish the more unsightly one seventh of the city is itself a flight of the artistic imagination, a call to think about and work for a more beautiful London. The real plan is for a big art competition with the aim of beautifying the city, which is quite doable. I really want to see more Neath created art and learn more about the Nocturnals, the Bazaarines, and the Celestials. A massive art festival presided over by the Princess herself would just be perfect. Remember how fun the Century Exhibition was? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/19/2018	I will not be voting for the Captivating Princess because I don't like her dog. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	0bsidian Fire wrote: Well... this is the description text for the option that gives you the item... The Captivating Princess is donating a gift from Feducci to her supporters. Tear-drinking bees from the fabled Elder Continent kingdom of Huz. Somehow I don't think this is just any old gift she was given... Though it has very different meanings depending on whether the marriage happened or not. If you broke up the wedding, the implications of that gift are just delightful. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/19/2018	Netos Korlan wrote: (in-character election plea. write your own, too!) Oh, I am so on this... clears throat London was once the crown jewel in the tiara that was the most magnificent empire the world has ever seen. We were the envy of the known world, the very definition of history in the making. That was until we fell from grace, to end up lost and adrift in this dark realm of monsters, mushrooms, and mangy rats. But like a flame shines brightest in the darkness, so too can we become the best and most brilliant that we have ever dare imagine ourselves to be. Gone may be the days of sunshine and a far-spanning empire, but should we be content to merely wallow in lost dreams of nostalgia of what we once had? No, my exceptional ladies and gentlemen - and anyone in-between - we now have a new opportunity before us that glows as brightly as the sun we left behind. I say that now is the time to dare to dream of the pinnacle that is what London could really be. Not merely the capital of a now lost empire, but a power of splendour and glory unto herself. A city truly worth the exceptional lives and extraordinary character of her people. We, the proud citizens of London, can make this city the pride and envy of a whole new world - the Neath, a world of delights hitherto undreamed of and wonders that even the most enterprising amongst us would once have thought an impossibility. But to truly achieve this golden future for ourselves we need someone to take that very first step towards a more wondrous tomorrow. And no one less than our beloved and Captivating Princess has with both grace and dignity taken it upon herself to step forward to herald this glorious dream. But even someone as exceptional and visionary as our princess cannot undertake such a grand enterprise alone. This city is all of our home, and only together can we bring this dream for our fair city to fruition! So I beseech you, my friends and fellow citizens, to come forth to show your patriotic fervour, to do your civic duty in the name of London herself, and vote for the Captivating Princess! . edited by Akernis on 6/19/2018 -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	Feducci called. He wants his campaign back. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Netos Korlan Posts: 78 6/19/2018	(in-character election plea. write your own, too!) No, this will not do. The Princess already holds half the aristocracy around her little finger. The sheer concentration of power would be enormous. No one would have enough clout to oppose her. Do you want to be slaves, helplessly dancing to the Aristocracy's tune? Do you want to be entirely powerless in the face of whatever weird plans she may have for the City? Only a reasonable, sensible, capable man of the people with his heart in the right place can build a better City. It is time to struggle to establish the rule of Justice. Vote for the Jovial Contrarian! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Stelios%20Korlan
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	Netos Korlan wrote: (in-character election plea. write your own, too!) No, this will not do. The Princess already holds half the aristocracy around her little finger. The sheer concentration of power would be enormous. No one would have enough clout to oppose her. Do you want to be slaves, helplessly dancing to the Aristocracy's tune? Do you want to be entirely powerless in the face of whatever weird plans she may have for the City? Only a reasonable, sensible, capable man of the people with his heart in the right place can build a better City. It is time to struggle to establish the rule of Justice. Vote for the Jovial Contrarian! Away with your respectable spits Middle Class politics! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/22/2018	I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/22/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. As I recall, being able to manage subordinates and synthesize your ideas into workable programs is a very important aspect of being Mayor. Our last Mayor wasn't very good at that. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/20/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Lady Sapho Byron wrote: I will not be voting for the Captivating Princess because I don't like her dog. That's actually the Empresses' dog. Ooops. Well, I still don't like animals that the Princess keeps. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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millea Posts: 45 6/18/2018	gronostaj wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: The Sunless Skies portrait retains the captivating aspect, no matter the colour scheme. This portrait presents us with a different princess. now that i saw the Sunless Skies portrait I can joyfully say................ it's literally the same portrait except with a sloppy overpaint of long hair and bigger anime eyes. Oh my god. Bad form, mr Ardent, bad form...... I couldn't believe it, so I overlayed both of them in photoshop. You're right.. -- Elvira Blake, the Pariah's Doctor. ༺⚜️༻ Anne Meredith, the Disfigured Captain.
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0bsidian Fire Posts: 117 6/18/2018	Ironically, I think this is the only candidate that could be said to be backing a section of London in any capacity. Mr. Slowcake is Hell, the Jovial Contrarian has ties to the Revolutionaries and the Captivating Princess seems to want London's magnificence restored (at everyone's expense, but still...). Kharagal eyes certain Factions she avoids associating with, the Crew of a certain ship she has dinner with once a week, certain pleasures she indulged in and remembers who she shared them with in the last Feast of the Rose. I think I know who I'm supporting if simply because the other two candidates are worse... -- Kharagal Mierqid - Bohemian Correspondent who is obsessed with the Language of Stars...
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Frenjamin Banklin Posts: 49 6/18/2018	would prefer if the mayoral candidates were just a bit more evenly matched, the princess mayor seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. I don;t mind the portraits at all, although they are a rather marked deviation from the regular FL style. edited by Frenjamin Banklin on 6/18/2018
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Gul al-Ahlaam Posts: 225 6/19/2018	Well, this was the easiest in-character choice I've ever had to make. -- The Uncanny Hierophant. The Jewel-Eyed Prince.
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Nagaretsu Posts: 24 6/19/2018	Well,she'll get my vote for sure. I would love a London with more stability and art,expecially without annoying journalists who dare to create chaos and scare fellow citizens (really don't care about the monster thing,that's all fake news from the revolutionaries). edited by Nagaretsu on 6/19/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Nagaretsu Valor Darkwood http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Valor%20Darkwood
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Daedalus_Falk Posts: 234 6/18/2018	Frenjamin Banklin wrote: would prefer if the mayoral candidates were just a bit more evenly matched, the princess mayor seems like a forgone conclusion at this point. I don;t mind the portraits at all, although they are a rather marked deviation from the regular FL style. edited by Frenjamin Banklin on 6/18/2018 Yeah; people in this game will ALWAYS favour the outrageous / meme candidate - god knows I certainly will, do, and shall. It's why Sinning Jenny and Feducci won, and why the Princess has this in the bag. Of course, she has my vote, because she got me back into Her Enduring Majesty's court and I repay my debts. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Daedalus_Falk ---- For I was hungry, and you gave me rats. I was thirsty, and you gave me rats. I was naked, and you gave me rats. The rodents were gathered together, the cats slept in the Sun’s blindness, and the rats rose like the Moon, in the light at the edge of the cheese.
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 6/18/2018	Never underestimate our dear Princess's hunger. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/18/2018	Well... if we follow history, by that time royal power was not what it used to be. Not saying this is unlikely, but normally she would not be allowed to act this way. Then again, there is no 'normal' for monsters, I guess! -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 6/20/2018	Caroline sadly cannot back the Princess. She knows exactly what she did to prompt this. -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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Do Anh Kim Posts: 2 6/20/2018	0bsidian Fire wrote: An Echo of what happens if you ask the Jovial Contrarian about the Captivating Princess: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kharagal%20Mierqid?fromEchoId=14264662 What happened between Feducci and the princess? I not follow FL lore much. edited by DoAnhKim on 6/20/2018
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Waterpls Posts: 324 6/20/2018	Rebuilding Spite sounds awesome but honestly we cannot expect something like this from FBG. At most there would be a tiny fate-locked story with new Mayor, not a major change for all players. -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 6/22/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Jolanda Swan wrote: I am fairly certain the Princess had several lackeys turn her monstrous designs into palatable sentences she can hand out to those that ask, Lady Auclair. As I recall, being able to manage subordinates and synthesize your ideas into workable programs is a very important aspect of being Mayor. Our last Mayor wasn't very good at that. Political astuteness and managerial competence are two excellent reasons to not vote for the Captivating Princess. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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suinicide Posts: 2409 6/21/2018	The marriage of Feducci heavily hinted she had interest in the elder continent. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/21/2018	suinicide wrote: The marriage of Feducci heavily hinted she had interest in the elder continent. It wasn't hinted. She explicitly wanted to conquer and plunder it in an incredibly brutal manner. If you convince her that Feducci won't go along with this, she calls quits on the marriage. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Winthropx Posts: 166 6/19/2018	I'm just thinking of this, but in some people's London, she's married to our current mayor. Wouldn't voting her in be like giving him a second term? edited by Winthropx on 6/19/2018 -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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Emain Ablach Posts: 348 6/19/2018	Millea, I like your version of the Princess. I like the original's as well (old and new). I'd vote if I could, but sadly I cannot from where I am now. -- Went NORTH. Got salted. Never came back. We won't remember him. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Emain%20Ablach
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	The Princesses' new art is well done, but a little too Rococo for my tastes. But then I tend to like more abstracted styles. I loved the first year election posters, absolutely LOVED them. But I guess it makes more sense to use elections as an opportunity to present new reusable art, as opposed to creating specialized one time stuff. Oh well. For those who prefer the older, more openly demonic images, just imagine that this blue eyed innocence is how the Princess (who is a shapechanging Neath monster btw) is painted in her official portraits. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Nagaretsu Posts: 24 6/19/2018	Dudebro Pyro wrote: I suppose that's rather in-character, is it not? Especially if she ends up winning purely due to the average player not being properly informed. That's the point of an election campaign,selling dreams and lies to get the trust of the people,and I think she's the best at It. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Nagaretsu Valor Darkwood http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Valor%20Darkwood
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 6/19/2018	But the puppy is so adorable! Sure its alter-ego eats some chains or something, but it's a jekyll/hyde type thing and I'm not sure the puppy even realizes it. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Winthropx Posts: 166 6/19/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Winthropx wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Winthropx wrote: I'm just thinking of this, but in some people's London, she's married to our current mayor. Wouldn't voting her in be like giving him a second term? edited by Winthropx on 6/19/2018 I'm confident the writers have figured out how to make that work. Well, if you broke up the wedding then Feducci would arguably be more miserable seeing her become Mayor! They probably do, I just don't want to help him out at all. He made the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner tear up last year. I can't forgive him for that. I helped them through the marriage. I was hoping they'd make each other miserable. -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	Winthropx wrote: I helped them through the marriage. I was hoping they'd make each other miserable. Ah. Well then, you probably should oppose her, absent clear evidence that her winning would make her husband unhappy. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/19/2018	0bsidian Fire wrote: It's a little too late to wish Feducci would not help the Princess. Her item is a Jar of Bees (the tear drinker type) and she apparently got them from Feducci... Doesn't everyone given the Princess presents though? Also, those bees would look really fetching with my tapestry and tiger... -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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0bsidian Fire Posts: 117 6/19/2018	Well... this is the description text for the option that gives you the item... The Captivating Princess is donating a gift from Feducci to her supporters. Tear-drinking bees from the fabled Elder Continent kingdom of Huz. Somehow I don't think this is just any old gift she was given... -- Kharagal Mierqid - Bohemian Correspondent who is obsessed with the Language of Stars...
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/25/2018	A Spider Council with access to lots of eyeballs will have less reason to take both your eyeballs then a Spider Council with access to fewer eyeballs. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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wrondo Posts: 11 6/25/2018	I suppose we're arguing for a blaptocracy (or blaptatocracy) - rule by the (most) harmful, so that they don't have time for their harmful ways. (I just wanted to make a cool looking word out of it) -- F., an inescapable and terrifying lady. “There are ghosts in the architecture, stuck in the firmament.” W., an irresistible and sinister individual of mysterious and indistinct gender. “Truth is strong and will prevail.” Blocked; blocked; blocked; blocked; none of you are free of sin
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Frederick Metzengerstein Posts: 69 6/25/2018	Jolanda Swan wrote: Right. Why not vote a spider council then? They will are already eating our eyeballs and maybe if we bury them in bureaucracy, they will be too busy to leave us completely blind. Makes perfect sense. Find me one inhabitant of the Saviour's Rocks who will speak ill of his generous neighbours. They will only unusually loudly assure you how happy they are.
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Azothi Posts: 586 6/25/2018	Silent_man wrote: So for those who have done the Flash lay...any idea what is meant under the Anodyne Menace? Anodyne, in this context, means inoffensive or dispassionate. The Princess found the answers she received boring and her official art policy is now reminding London of more interesting ideas. edited by Azothi on 6/25/2018 -- Azoth I, the Emissary of Cardinals - A Paramount Presence (not currently accepting new Proteges) Away to where the Chain cannot bind us. Hesperidean.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/25/2018	Azothi wrote: Silent_man wrote: So for those who have done the Flash lay...any idea what is meant under the Anodyne Menace? Anodyne, in this context, means inoffensive or dispassionate. The Princess found the answers she received boring and her official art policy is now reminding London of more interesting ideas. I really like avant garde stuff. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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0bsidian Fire Posts: 117 6/25/2018	There are reasons my character is a Bohemian. The Princess is in favor of most of them. An Echo of you voting for the Captivating Princess: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kharagal%20Mierqid?fromEchoId=14304909 -- Kharagal Mierqid - Bohemian Correspondent who is obsessed with the Language of Stars...
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/25/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Azothi wrote: Silent_man wrote: So for those who have done the Flash lay...any idea what is meant under the Anodyne Menace? Anodyne, in this context, means inoffensive or dispassionate. The Princess found the answers she received boring and her official art policy is now reminding London of more interesting ideas. I really like avant garde stuff. https://nicole-heymann-art.com/2015/03/19/inspirational-art-calvin-and-hobbes/ You sort of reminded me of this exchange. Hobbes: "What do you think is the secret to happiness? Is it money, power or fame?" Calvin: "I'd choose money. If you have enough money, you can buy fame and power. That way you'll have it all and be really happy. Happiness is being famous for your financial ability to indulge in every kind of excess." Hobbes: "I suppose that's one* way to define it."* Calvin: "The part I think I'd like best is crushing people who get in my way." . edited by Anne Auclair on 6/25/2018 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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elderfleur Posts: 77 6/28/2018	The repetition does give off an air of mocking the Officially Sanctioned Opinion: "She's a marvellous example to us all. A marvellous, marvellous example. No one has a bad word to say about her. And don't you forget it." -- —Elderfleur
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Akernis Posts: 255 6/28/2018	Aberrant Eremite wrote: Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil. Well argued. I disagree with a lot of your interpretations about those point, but you do make good points It does say she wears scandal like a parisian gown, I think it would be most accurate to say that her public image is one adoration, and that those who knows or suspect that there is more to the matter only hints at it. -- Vena's profile - http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Akernis
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/28/2018	To me, it seems that everyone who sees her from a distance admires her but once they get close, admiration is replaced with dread. Which makes the fact that she treats you with such pleasentness, and even flirtation, much more captivating in terms of story. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Snowskeeper Posts: 575 6/26/2018	Anne Auclair wrote: Snowskeeper wrote: We are startled you all still seem so concerned with the platforms. Feducci's failed term indicates enforced stagnancy, possibly due to a powerhungry parliament. Feducci had a nonsensical and poorly thought out platform that he found thoroughly unworkable once in office. Among the many things that Feducci's failed term indicates is the need for a good, workable platform that can be properly implemented. And, to be fair, all three candidates have that this year: the public arts festival, the people's forum, and constable reform. He had a year to work. Despite the support from the Crown, and tremendous aupport from the public, he proved completely impotent in office. It may be rather too optimistic, to blame that entirely on disorganization. -- S.F., a midnight midnighter and invisible eminence. Impossible to locate them, personally, but there are dead drops and agents.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1784 6/26/2018	Concerning the portrait, I do not count the first generation ones, as they were mostly caricatures. I went by the two subsequent protraits. Oh, and Feducci had no platform other than his own interests. Given his engagement and his lavish residence, I think he accomplished those just fine. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Snowskeeper Posts: 575 6/26/2018	We are startled you all still seem so concerned with the platforms. Feducci's failed term indicates enforced stagnancy, possibly due to a powerhungry parliament. One would require positively devilish legal talents to overcome such significant barriers. Talents none of these candidates possess. -- S.F., a midnight midnighter and invisible eminence. Impossible to locate them, personally, but there are dead drops and agents.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 6/26/2018	Snowskeeper wrote: We are startled you all still seem so concerned with the platforms. Feducci's failed term indicates enforced stagnancy, possibly due to a powerhungry parliament. Feducci had a nonsensical and poorly thought out platform that he found thoroughly unworkable once in office. Among the many things that Feducci's failed term indicates is the need for a good, workable platform that can be properly implemented. And, to be fair, all three candidates have that this year: the public arts festival, the people's forum, and constable reform. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Wilhelm Leibniz III Posts: 63 6/29/2018	Lady Sapho Byron wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: No one can accuse me of honey-coating her. After all, she does that well enough herself! Ba dum tss. Princess just got burned -- Wilhelm Leibniz III, Glassman, Hearts Desire
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