Catherine Raymond
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6/27/2018
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Different ideals - being focused on mischief, personal fun, etc. doesn't preclude making impactful changes.
Agreed. But it might preclude making *favorable* impactful changes.
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Wilhelm Leibniz III
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6/27/2018
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So basically this is a pretty accurate emulation of real world politics. Ridicule and be critical of predecessor, fail to meet on campaign promises due to either incompetence(arguably Feducci) or a harsh reality(arguably Jenny). IE Jenny did little(at least compared to what she had wanted) because it turned out there was little she could do but did what she was able too, Feducci did little publicly because he never really wanted to do anything grandiose.
Remember this is a mayor. From a power standpoint they are still beholden to the Masters, the Bazaar, and technically the Her Enduring Majesty/The Traitor Empress. If they do not want it to happen, they can make it stop, or make you suffer for it.
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Netos Korlan
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6/27/2018
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(in-character election plea II - an Outlandish leaflet
Do you know if there is a way to write a Political Edition for a Newspaper ?)
"Elections: the sensible, far-sighted and kind-hearted choice: the Jovial Contrarian"
Good Ladies and Gentlemen,
in the epic debate of authority against freedom, the Jovial Contrarian has managed to produce the best position:
As Hegel said, when you have a thesis, and an anti-thesis, the best solution is synthesis!
The Constables would get more resources and a dedicated system! Rumormongers worry that they could also lose some effectiveness deriving from the current centralization... and even if that outlandish claim were true, it would be but a small price to pay: to make them less of a tool of the Masters!
Which means, in fewer words: the Constables would actually work on the side of the people, for a change!
And since the Contrarian has the wisdom to see both sides of an argument, he can see the limits of any position: so you would never end up in simplistic pitfalls like 'absolute anarchy' or 'absolute authority'.
Honestly, why would anyone vote for the shiny self-centered Princess? It makes no sense. Are you rich and careless enough characters not to care? Do you consider yourself to be a part of the aristocracy, that would certainly benefit even more from her government? Can you claim to know the depths behind her charming, silly (and authoritarian) self? Dark snippets of intelligence from under the palace say she is "beyond human", and partakes of human flesh...
Or why would anyone vote for a menagerie of soul-stealers that are busy spying and collecting information on the citizens? The deception of Slowcake is clever as it is chilling to the bone! The so-called "Slowcake" promises a bunch of dreams, while having a total lack of transparency.
The Jovial Contrarian is a good, old, human Londoner that cares for his fellow citizens. Given the alternatives, he is the obvious best choice.
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Aberrant Eremite
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6/27/2018
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Anne Auclair wrote:
So the safest option would be to make the Princess the head of London's municipal government. At the worst she won't do anything she isn't already doing, and at best she'll do less of what she's already doing.
How about this: at worst, she'll keep doing what she's already doing but on a much grander scale. All London (or at least those who don't have enough power to protect themselves, as do our fortunate PCs) the playthings of a cruel spoiled child. (Bah, Lady Sapho beat me to it, and with more wit.)
Consider this: Practically every time any other character who knows the Princess speaks about her, they seem utterly terrified of her. Feducci doesn't inspire that level of dread, nor the Devils, nor even the Gracious Widow, who has been deliberately cultivating a fearsome reputation for centuries. No other figure in London is so feared by the people who know her best. This is not a person whose reach should be expanded.
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Jolanda Swan
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6/27/2018
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The talking about Jenny's term made me wonder: I too got the idea that she did a lot as a Mayor, though her efforts where not so sweeping as she had hoped. But yes, the school, the public works, the literacy program, the welfare, the urchins... of course all these are easily lost because, as is logical, the mayor does not change the face of London. But maybe an Exceptional Story or the continuation of an existing story, available to all, could focus on what the previous mayors left behind. Show something of Jenny's work, or Feducci's chaos perhaps.
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Akernis
Posts: 255
6/27/2018
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Aberrant Eremite wrote:
Consider this: Practically every time any other character who knows the Princess speaks about her, they seem utterly terrified of her. No other figure in London is so feared by the people who know her best.
I would very much like to know who these 'any other characters' are. Any time I have seen her spoken off in the game it has been with nothing less than adoration and infatuation. It is frequently mentioned how people in her presence hang on to her every wink, word, and smile and look at you with jealousy if she favours you.
The game even make a point of joking - "No one has a bad word to say about her, ever, and don't you forget it." (paraphrasing).
Indeed, the very best MW boost you can get in the entire game is by the Princess visiting your salon, which is enough to get you to Notability 13, even with no BDR modifiers.
Everyone of polite society adore her, and before this election I had never seen anyone who were not of the upper class even mention her. Yes, we, the players, know that she indulges in habits that could generously be called horrific, but to London's population she is someone to be admired not feared.
I think the Contrarian is actually the first person I have heard explicitly saying something negative about her.
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Snowskeeper
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6/27/2018
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The storylet you mentioned--the Salon invite--contains a conversation with somebody who knows her well, and, indeed, he seems absolutely terrified of her.
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Akernis
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6/28/2018
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Snowskeeper wrote:
The storylet you mentioned--the Salon invite--contains a conversation with somebody who knows her well, and, indeed, he seems absolutely terrified of her.
Such scenes are always up to interpretation, but I would say that is overstating it considerably.
He cowers before her contempt and stammers as she publicly castigates him, but that is hardly the same as absolute terror of her as a person. I would imagine that almost anyone would behave in the same manner if they got reprimanded by royalty in front of dozens of important people.
Could it be interpreted as him being frightened of her? Yes, it easily could. But the only thing that scene clearly demonstrates is that the admiral defers to the Princess (by virtue of her authority, influence, commanding personality, or because he is afraid of her) and that she is aware of the whole affair with [spoiler]the New Sequence and the Dawn Machine[/spoiler].
Here's a link for those interested in the relevant echo of the scene in question - http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Akernis?fromEchoId=11264145
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Aberrant Eremite
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6/28/2018
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Akernis wrote:
I would very much like to know who these 'any other characters' are. Any time I have seen her spoken off in the game it has been with nothing less than adoration and infatuation. It is frequently mentioned how people in her presence hang on to her every wink, word, and smile and look at you with jealousy if she favours you.
The game even make a point of joking - "No one has a bad word to say about her, ever, and don't you forget it." (paraphrasing).
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Well, that one right there, to start with. Don't you know a threat when you hear one?
The pollster visibly trembles if you vote for the Princess. She openly calls you "Unwise" if you choose to be alone on a desert island with her.
Her lovers commit suicide so regularly that you hear about it all the time, upgrading items (on at least two separate results) or quashing rumors for the Court.
If you drink with a junior under-butler at the Palace, he drinks to the health of the Empress, then mutters, 'And may she live forever, or we're all gone to our graves.' (I read this to mean that he's terrified of the prospect of the Princess being unrestrained, perhaps even succeeding - she is, after all, the only one of the Royal Children who can appear in public.
With certain artistic works, such as modern music, you're told something like "the Captivating Princess was only narrowly prevented from seeking you out personally." (I read this to mean that your admirers acted to protect you, by preventing her from doing so, because everyone knows what happens to people who get her attention.)
Those are the ones I can recall offhand, but I think there are more. Just about every time she's mentioned, it's with dread.
Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil.
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Diptych
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6/28/2018
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I feel like the whole "imprisoning people and turning their heads into hives so that bees can eat their memories and turn them into honey, then consuming that honey, entering those memories, and causing their owners still further agony" thing is also worth mentioning. The whole torture-garden element. That's something that might be of interest to the voting public.
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elderfleur
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6/28/2018
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The repetition does give off an air of mocking the Officially Sanctioned Opinion: "She's a marvellous example to us all. A marvellous, marvellous example. No one has a bad word to say about her. And don't you forget it."
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Dudebro Pyro
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6/28/2018
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Would have been even better were she a player of the Marvellous.
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Deathjack999
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6/28/2018
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Am I the only one who thinks she dragged her husband to the Shuttered Palace and chucked him into her beepit.
That would explain why Feducci hasn't left his house in Blythenhall
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Dudebro Pyro
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6/28/2018
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You can still duel before the mayor, though, and he's right there to watch it.
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Lavaeolus
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6/28/2018
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He climbs out just to watch before dutifully jumping back into the pit, such is his interest in duelling.
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Anne Auclair
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6/28/2018
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Finally switched.
Here's me supporting the Captivating Princess from a Temperance position.
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Akernis
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6/28/2018
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Aberrant Eremite wrote:
Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil.
Well argued. I disagree with a lot of your interpretations about those point, but you do make good points 
It does say she wears scandal like a parisian gown, I think it would be most accurate to say that her public image is one adoration, and that those who knows or suspect that there is more to the matter only hints at it.
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Jolanda Swan
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6/28/2018
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To me, it seems that everyone who sees her from a distance admires her but once they get close, admiration is replaced with dread. Which makes the fact that she treats you with such pleasentness, and even flirtation, much more captivating in terms of story.
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Anne Auclair
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6/28/2018
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Akernis wrote:
Aberrant Eremite wrote:
Now, I'll grant you that it's open to interpretation - pretty much everything in Fallen London is. But at the very least the game is getting dramatic irony out of your certain awareness that the woman is pure evil.
Well argued. I disagree with a lot of your interpretations about those point, but you do make good points
It does say she wears scandal like a parisian gown, I think it would be most accurate to say that her public image is one adoration, and that those who knows or suspect that there is more to the matter only hints at it.
The Princess during her Ball makes reference to "the stories" and asks you not to believe all of them. To me this suggests that most Londoners know or suspect that there is something rather wrong with their Princess, just as there is something rather wrong with the rest of the Royal family. But they willfully ignore this and try and think of happier things, because the Princess is beautiful and young and human shaped and without her there would only be the dreary Empress, a dubiously alive Consort, and some monsters in the cellar.
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Jolanda Swan
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6/29/2018
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This is a very accurate representation. People would rather not believe the heir apparent (no-one else shows up) is what the stories paint her to be - but the stories are persistent enough.
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