Any chance of bringing "Who else is here?" back at some point? One of my favourite things is checking up on what random people are up to. Such a pity to lose that.

And a connected thing: The profile page. I love perusing other people's pages (usually people I just spotted in "Who else is here?"). Sorry to be a Negative Nancy again, but the new one is a shadow of its former self. Frankly, it is horrible. There's just no comparison with the old one. Another look at that some point down the line would be appreciated, as I can't see myself making much use of it in its current form.

Please leave the old site there too. I really don't think I am going to get along with the new one. It's kind of horrible. I think I hate it.

When you say that Second Chances are "On the Branch itself", what does that signify? I can't see them anywhere on the screen unless I go into my inventory and check the "Advantage" section.

EDIT: As long as I'm here, I'd like to repeat my request to make it possible to save the little sidebar snippets to your journal again. I kind of miss having that functionality.

Aardvark wrote:

So, my question is how long the old (storynexus) interface will be kept in working order.

See, I have an old OS (iOS 6.something) on my mobile platform and the new website doesn't seem to work in my browser, at all. I can't get a different browser since they all require newer generations of OS, which I'm not updating on my oldish tablet for a number of reasons.

The redesign has gone live on fallenlondon.com today. Tomorrow fallenlondon.storynexus.com will also redirect to the redesign. Since iOS 6 support ended in 2016 it's hard for us to develop for it so we're not actively supporting it. We are making some tweaks in the future so the functionality is beta in iOS 9 and this may have a knock-on effect, but we can't guarantee it.

Dudebro Pyro - aesthetics aside, I was playing the beta test site recently in lieu of the legacy site and it has been responsive. This is a major redesign and it's always an adjustment for both the developers and the players. The redesign will improve on all facets over the next few weeks as additional bugs are identified and resolved.

I don't see what "being responsive" has to do with what I said. While I have no doubt that bugs will be fixed, that too isn't what my problem with the website is (which is the core design decision of making things "less crowded" - some people have also mentioned extra clicks for some aspects, which if true is equally poor, but I haven't used the beta design nearly long enough to stumble on anything like that).
I certainly agree that people will adapt to change, and I'm not considering quitting the game over this or anything. However, I would question the entire mindset that seems to be going on here of "newer is better". Some improvements are absolutely objective (https, mobile responsiveness) and I'm very happy to see them, some have little argument behind them besides "it's old" - the prime example being FB stating several times that they wanted a redesign "because the current look is 8 years old". I didn't, and still don't, get the reasoning behind that - it's not like it was designed with a Windows 95 UI style and desperately needed a visual refresher; it had its own look and style, which had aged very well inhavedeed in my opinion, and visually didn't look in any way outdated to me at least. So going back to the initial sentence, people can certainly adapt to change, but why should they have to? Don't fix what ain't broke, principle of least surprise (in a way), and all that.
Not that I'm expecting this paragraph to change any minds or anything, I'm just laying out my reasoning.
edited by Dudebro Pyro on 6/5/2018

If I am not mistaken, FailbetterFuzz mentioned that Randomizer qualities (suchs as the Airs of London) have been intentionally removed from the profile. Giving a last ditch shout out attempt to save the Airs but apparently chances aren't great.

I heard the news but for some reason I still have the old layout despite deleting fallen london's old cookies on my laptop. Either I'm doing something wrong or I can't access the new version of the site.

Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:

Weird question: I have no idea how to even access the new site? fallenlondon.com is just a redirect to fallenlondon.storynexus.com, isn't it? That's how I've experienced it, at least.

Not a weird question. I have the same issue. I logged out. Closed the tab. Closed the browser. Deleted the relevant cookies. Deleted saved website data. On two different systems (one mobile, one desktop). I tried fallenlondon.com and fallenlondon.storynexus.com. Whatever I do, I always get the old version. This is really unfortunate, since I *like* the new look, from what I've seen around. But I can't access it at all.

Saklad wrote:

In theory, Fallen London should be quite responsive: the images don’t change much, and can be cached, and text can be delivered with GZip compression.

In practice, it uses a lot of JavaScript timers. Any substantial speed increases will probably come from eliminating as much unnecessary JavaScript processing as possible.

What exactly is being done when the player opens a storylet branch or Opportunity Card, for instance? It feels like most of the waiting happens there, and you might be able to load that ahead of time.

My basic intuition is that it's just a server latency issue (which therefore won't change either way with the new frontend): I have never observed a difference moving between devices with vastly different processing power (and thus vastly different javascript performance). I haven't actually ever taken a look at how long the network requests take, though, so I don't have any actual evidence/data.

On the redesign known issue thread, it states the following:

"If you’ve found a bug and it's not on the Known Issues list below then please check you are on the most up to date version of the game. The version number can be found at the bottom of the Fallen London site. Try refreshing the page a few times to ensure you're on the current version and then try again."

What is the version number we should be seeing?

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For me it is much more sluggish than the old site was. All the scrolling that is needed now also feels like a massive step backwards in design, too. Can't fathom why it was felt that was a good idea. Just compare the old Fate page to the new one, for example. I don't see how anyone could say that is an improvement.

Im not sure if it is the right place to ask, but.
I really like the new design, and i'd like to download all the headers and the map. the latter is done, but is there the map without icons of locations? looked through the HTML-code, nothing is there. Help?

I'd like to say that I also miss the "Who Else is Here" section - I met a lot of other players by seeing them there, and it makes the world feel a lot more populated.

I'll tell you one thing I hate--the 0 next to items in the bazaar! I really liked knowing what I had at a glance in any shop because there'd be a 1 next to what I had and NOTHING next to what I didn't! I don't like 0 added when I don't have something! Why make that change?

I'm starting to see behaviour that makes the new site really, really hard to use. Clicking on a card to use it can take 4 or 5 attempts before the storylets attached to the card actually display for me instead of just an empty story tab like this:





And when the storylets did finally appear, clicking on one of them showed the spinning hat for a moment before dumping me back to the storylets for my location and my hand of cards again with the card still in my hand, still unused!

This is getting really frustrating as this is happening to me repeatedly. I hope this gets fixed before the election!