Diptych
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It's still Monday in American Samoa, so here's this week's short questions thread!
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dov
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2/1/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
Stockpiling healing and nightmare requests is an understandable action, if maybe slightly irritating on the sender's part. Forgetting coffee invites, gifts etc doesn't really make a lot of sense. They are clearly visible and taking up space on the left side of the message tab, so forgetting about them for months on end makes little sense.
Some people might not check those message tab that often (or ever).
And there's good reason to wait on invitations to coffee: these give some MW, so the person might wait until they are ready to start raising MW again.
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Siankan
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2/1/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
I have a... personal, if still game-related question. To be honest, it feels inappropriate to ask here, but I still feel like I need to know. I apologize in advance.
On several occasions with multiple acquaintances, I have had invites for coffee, healing etc sent out to acquaintances, only to be completely ignored by them. I have had weeks, if not months pass with still no response. At first, I had assumed that perhaps they were late to respond or didn't log in often. Later, I had thought they had quit the game entirely, which would be a shame but is understandable. Then, I decided to check their profiles. I learned that several of my non-responding acquaintances were and are still very active in Fallen London, which meant that they were deliberately ignoring me. I would have preferred having my invites be rejected, rather than this. This... really hurts, surprisingly.
I guess my question is what should I do? Should I snub them? Or should I keep them still, if only for the Influence? Or am I merely misinterpreting the situation?
PS: 12 patrons? Is that right?
It depends heavily on the individual. Deliberate snubbing is probably low on the probability list. The highest thing on the list is likely to be "didn't have the actions at the time, forgot later." Healing and nightmare requests might be deliberately stockpiled until they're needed.
The best thing to do is probably to clear the air: a simple, polite note on the forums (or even a letter) asking if they missed the message or still needed healing, etc. If they respond, you have an answer. If not, well, you have leisure to pursue more productive acquaintanceships. High Influence is more a limiting factor than a benefit, so if you encounter complete radio silence, there's no real reason not to clean house, should you be so inclined.
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Cthonius
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Harry P. wrote:
I have a question. If one were to obtain a specialization [ex) Extraordinary Mind, Shattering Force, Invisible Eminence, Legendary Charisma], one needs the corresponding stat to be 200 without modifications. If, after obtaining a specialization, the corresponding base stat were to drop below 200 (via Nadir, prison, etc.), what would happen?
Nothing happens. Your stats drop, but your Specialization stays. You won't be able to overcap with notability until it's back at 200 though
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Optimatum
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1/31/2018
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curtistruffle wrote:
And I have another question. I probably shall ask Failbetter representatives but I feel a kind of shame. I've run out of moneys so I'll abandon my Exceptional Friendship tonight for a month at least. I've played all three season's stories and collected a Locket, a Coin and a Stone, and I wonder if present Exceptional Friendship is required to benefit from season reward? (it was my first donated season so I haven't seen how such things work)
Exceptional Friendship is only needed to access the stories in the House of Chimes and to play the beginning storylet of each Exceptional Story. Once you've unlocked a story, you can get the full experience without being an EF at all. (As such, subscribing on certain dates lets you access three months of Exceptional Stories with only one month's worth of subscription.
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Siankan
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Closest To is, in theory, about character intent, about whom you prefer in the privacy of your own head. (That said, it does seem to affect an awful lot of reactions from other people...) I suppose the connection here is that you've given someone a terribly powerful secret, and you wouldn't sanely do that unless they were very important to you.
As Kaijyuu said, changing back to the Urchins is not a terrible ordeal mechanically.and will cost you fewer actions than earning the difference in Echoes. However, if roleplaying's been important to you, then I would suggest making the decision in-character. If your character wants nothing to do with Hell or the Calendar Council, why would he give them such a secret?
N.B. Hell's reward is the same as the Urchins'; you can safely cut that option out. The factions that pay the heavy stuff are Revolutionaries and the Game. If you really want cash but don't want to bring on the end of the world (Kaijyuu, I liked the phrase), then you might consider selling your intelligence to them. It can be roleplayed, if you wish it to, as being tempted by the rewards, but after a short period that deep into the Game, Mr. Priest has a change of heart and goes back to his Urchin friends. (I assume the "kind-hearted bringer of Revolution is not the character in this dilemma.) Unlike the normal ways of changing Closest To, selling the Cave has no impact on your standing with your current faction.
Or you could just stick with your Urchin friends. A starstone demark is a fine conversation piece.
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Jolanda Swan
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Well, you can also sell it to the Game (far less dangerous than hell or revolutionaries) and rp wise use the money to benefit the urchins. Perhaps you do not even want your urchin friends going somewhere so dangerous.
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suinicide
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1/30/2018
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You do not need to be an EF to get the season tie in/conclusion.
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RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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lady ciel
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1/30/2018
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You don't have to sell the location. That is entirely up to you, if it is in character to sell take whichever option suits you best.
Re-entering the Nadir is free - all it takes is some actions and the stat loss on leaving. Potentially it can profitable. Also once you get to end game or are a stat capped player going back in gives you something to work towards.
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Kaijyuu
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1/30/2018
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It doesn't take that much to switch closest to factions these days (just a few dozen echoes and all your favors, which can be 0), so if you don't mind going out of character for a little bit, you can sell the location to someone other than urchins and then switch back to them.
If you're the RP type though understand that you'll get a permanent quality that shows who you sold it to. It doesn't do anything afaik, but it does exist. And while a thousand or so echoes is a lot, it's far from the end of the world (whereas selling to the revolutionaries might be).
edited by Kaijyuu on 1/30/2018
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Sara Hysaro
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Your tattoo is a quality, not an equipped item, so for it to show up on your profile you will need to do it manually.
To see your tattoos on your Myself tab just look under Circumstance.
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suinicide
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About 12, assuming you have no other acquaintances. But that would be a silly number.
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RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Bitty
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2/1/2018
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A lot of people (me) are dumb dumbs who are constantly forgetting to check messages, if by the small chance I am one of those people who you're talking abt im very sorry
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Plynkes
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2/1/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
On several occasions with multiple acquaintances, I have had invites for coffee, healing etc sent out to acquaintances, only to be completely ignored by them.
What gets me is when someone sends you a social invite, but when you try to respond you find they are not in London, or unavailable for some other reason. They initiate it, then have the brass neck to just bugger off somewhere else. That, I think, is rude. I make sure I am going to be staying in town for a spell if I'm throwing out invites. This happens so often it's ridiculous.
There is always the possibility of course that they've been unexpectedly overtaken by a menace state. Wanting to retain some faith in human nature I prefer to be charitable and believe that this is what has happened, in which case they are merely incompetent rather than inconsiderate. 
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Kaijyuu
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2/2/2018
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The best way to store your echoes (since you have to dump those too), IMO, is buying urchins and giving them away for tribute.
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phryne
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2/3/2018
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Jermaine: you are quite right. Qualities gained while playing Exceptional Stories often (not always) have very interesting mouseover text since a few months or something, and display changing results as you progress the story. I think "The Attendants" was the first one where I really noticed it. I don't think it's used much outside ES though.
These things are easy to overlook, it's true.
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genesis
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2/3/2018
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Jermaine Vendredi wrote:
[spoiler]The Ebullient Undertaker gave you a cocoon. (overt)
Old and dry. Judging by the weight. it could be empty. (mouseover comment)[/spoiler]
I am not entirely sure what you mean by "overt" and not having an example that I can readily check (without paying Fate) it's hard to be certain if we are talking about the same thing but are you possibly referring the difference between level description and level change description? The former is the text that can be see on the myself tab or on your mantelpiece. The latter is shown on in the italics on the actual results page when qualities are updated. (I am not entirely sure which one of them is shown on mouseovers).
One repeatable example is "Archaeologist". The level description for Archaeologist 5 is simply "Scholar" but the level change description is "You're learning hints of the melancholy history of the Fourth City: the Fall, the Final Khan, the war with the Rosers." Another is "Working on...". The level description for it is, for example, "an Opera" but the level change description would be "You are writing an Opera."
Is that maybe what you mean? Or something else again?
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Siankan
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2/4/2018
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The Maltese Raven wrote:
I already checked with the useful guides thread, but is there something else that is worth pointing out to a returning player?
First, welcome back!
Second, you may be interested to know that the Last Constable story has been completed, the Dilmun Club extended, and you can now get back to Court if you've been exiled and become Poet Laureate. They've also reopened the Mysteries tab; if you care to join the community speculation, there's a current-running topic on the subject.
Second-point-one, you can change specializations and, if you make the full rounds, can become a Paramount Presence. (Forgot this one.)
Third, the Feast of the Exceptional Rose begins tomorrow. Pickled tongues and glasses of teeth all around!
Fourth, Feducci is Mayor of London. I didn't do it.
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Daedalus_Falk
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2/4/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Meradine Heidenreich wrote:
Is it by any chance possible to miss out on all the Theosophistical cards at Mahogany Hall?
It is quite possible if you advance too fast in the Embroiled in the wars of Illusion story. All the cards (Fling and Mahogany) lock after the grand illusion.
EDIT: Got lucky as I never rushed stories, checked wiki, advanced it and confirmed that this option is impossible. The success (old) suggested it advances Seeking to 12, but didn't find anything else. Maybe there will be an extra story or maybe not, but that's the only reason I haven't advanced in the Wars of Illusions. Did increase my Seeking above, drew cards in the hall for few days, but nothing.
I'll just wait more! 
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Honestly, this is one of the things I find kind of frustrating about Fallen London. Several opportunity card-based stories are very easy to lock yourself out of, and there are no messages warning you about that possibility: the Last Constable and the Theosophisticals are two examples of this problem, as in both cases I had no idea there was a card-based plotline until I'd already locked myself out.
These really need to be better-earmarked in some way: it's frustrating to miss out on content like that. The Theosophisticals in particular are really obtuse: unless I'd checked the wiki, I'd never have known.
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Plynkes
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2/4/2018
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I have no idea what the Theosophisticals even are. This is the first I've ever heard of them. Mahogany Hall isn't a place I ever spend time flipping cards in.
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PSGarak
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2/2/2018
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alekth wrote:
Personal Recommendations are good for weddings (the ones to other player characters), but if you are not planning one, then there isn't much to do with them past the initial PoSI acquisitions.
Personal Recommendations can be combined with a Collection of Curiosities and 7 Society Favors on the Bazaar Lodgings card for a stack of Echoes and a pile of Making Waves. This is the only repeatable use that I am aware of. It's a bit of work to pull off, but it's worth the time because the payout is far better than the 6 stupid echoes the Bazaar will give you.
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Siankan
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2/2/2018
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Optimatum wrote:
How many actions does a zailing trip take on average?
That depends heavily on ship and luck, and also on Experienced Zailor level. Thus, take all that follows as rough calculations only.
Moving to destinations outside the Sea of Voices takes 55 CP of Approaching Journey's End. If you move forward chiefly through opportunity cards, then you're looking at an average of 3 CP per action, or 20 actions total (19 to zail, 1 to dock). This figure assumes that Troubled Waters are behaving and you're letting the Zee have all the unfortunate zailors, but it also doesn't take into account drawing the Wily Zailor card or the special cards for each ship. Given that you are likely to err on both directions in a trip, then it's still likely a fair estimate.
To maximize CP/action (and therefore EPA for overzee grinds), you will want either a Clipper or a Zub. The Clipper's card gives a fantastic 9 CP (equal to a maxed-out Zailor card), but also gives 6 CP of Troubled Waters. Its other bonuses are all for Lashing Waves or worse. The Zub card is fairly slow, but it lowers Troubled Waters, and it converts the Killing Wind (which can appear at any Troubled Waters level) to do the same thing. Therefore, its slower speed is balanced by the fact that you are much less likely to have to spend actions on Troubled Waters control.
Ignoring cards and Steaming Boldly or Prudently give much faster results (+14 for prudent zailing), but they also increase Troubled Waters proportionately. Taking this route will all but force you into Troubled Waters control, probably multiple times, and gives no other advantages either.
For a combined strategy, you could take cards until you get to 41 CP of Approaching Journey's End (level 8 + 5 CP) and then (if your Troubled Waters is low enough) Steaming Prudently for the last action. This would mean, on estimate, 16 actions (14 cards, 1 Steaming, 1 to dock). In practicality, only the Zub is likely to pull that off with any consistency.
It's long, it's rough, and it doesn't get into the nitty-gritty of how likely you are to draw what cards, etc., but I hope it helps.
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Jermaine Vendredi
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I was thinking more of messages that add to the story rather than the playing mechanics. For example [spoiler]The unease of displaying stolen treasures[/spoiler] recently in Lamentation Lock. These are not just descriptions of airs but attach to items or qualities. There was recently one with half a dozen bible verses (in the Sinking Synod]. Being mouseovers, they are ephemeral and hard to record.
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Ysrthgrathe
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2/2/2018
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I finally decided to go for the The Seven-Fold Knock. At Winking Isle, I have to abandon my worldly possessions.
Is there a sensible use for the rare items I have to surrender other than selling to the bazaar?
Namely for Magnificent Diamonds, Fabulous Diamonds, Personal Recommendations, Mountain-sherds, Elemental Secrets or Primaeval Hints?
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Harry P.
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2/1/2018
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I have a... personal, if still game-related question. To be honest, it feels inappropriate to ask here, but I still feel like I need to know. I apologize in advance.
On several occasions with multiple acquaintances, I have had invites for coffee, healing etc sent out to acquaintances, only to be completely ignored by them. I have had weeks, if not months pass with still no response. At first, I had assumed that perhaps they were late to respond or didn't log in often. Later, I had thought they had quit the game entirely, which would be a shame but is understandable. Then, I decided to check their profiles. I learned that several of my non-responding acquaintances were and are still very active in Fallen London, which meant that they were deliberately ignoring me. I would have preferred having my invites be rejected, rather than this. This... really hurts, surprisingly.
I guess my question is what should I do? Should I snub them? Or should I keep them still, if only for the Influence? Or am I merely misinterpreting the situation?
PS: 12 patrons? Is that right?
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Elizabeth K. Broker: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Elizabeth%20K%20Broker
A Socially-Awkward Dueling Trickster with a thirst for vengeance and a soft spot for urchins.
If you are ever in need of any assistance, do not hesitate to ask either of them. The second one is still finicky, though.
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Harry P.
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Stockpiling healing and nightmare requests is an understandable action, if maybe slightly irritating on the sender's part. Forgetting coffee invites, gifts etc doesn't really make a lot of sense. They are clearly visible and taking up space on the left side of the message tab, so forgetting about them for months on end makes little sense.
Still, I am really grateful for the advice. Considering these were friends I had made before discovering the forums, I'll send a letter and try to figure out what's up, once I manage to return home to London. Depending on the response (or lack there of), I'll try to figure out what to do from there. Thanks for listening.
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Harry P.: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/HarryP22h
A Magnanimous Gentleman Author with a tendency for melancholic monologues.
Elizabeth K. Broker: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Elizabeth%20K%20Broker
A Socially-Awkward Dueling Trickster with a thirst for vengeance and a soft spot for urchins.
If you are ever in need of any assistance, do not hesitate to ask either of them. The second one is still finicky, though.
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Jermaine Vendredi
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I had a similar thing happen; someone declared their affection. I accepted and issued a subsequent invitation, whereupon they were never heard from again and did not respond to contact. I left the message for about six months and then decided they probably only wanted to read the relevant bits of text. That train of thought made it easier to clear the deck.
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Harry P.
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I have a question. If one were to obtain a specialization [ex) Extraordinary Mind, Shattering Force, Invisible Eminence, Legendary Charisma], one needs the corresponding stat to be 200 without modifications. If, after obtaining a specialization, the corresponding base stat were to drop below 200 (via Nadir, prison, etc.), what would happen?
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A Magnanimous Gentleman Author with a tendency for melancholic monologues.
Elizabeth K. Broker: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Elizabeth%20K%20Broker
A Socially-Awkward Dueling Trickster with a thirst for vengeance and a soft spot for urchins.
If you are ever in need of any assistance, do not hesitate to ask either of them. The second one is still finicky, though.
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Harry P.
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I have another question. How many patrons can one have? Also, how many proteges can one patron have?
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Harry P.: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/HarryP22h
A Magnanimous Gentleman Author with a tendency for melancholic monologues.
Elizabeth K. Broker: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Elizabeth%20K%20Broker
A Socially-Awkward Dueling Trickster with a thirst for vengeance and a soft spot for urchins.
If you are ever in need of any assistance, do not hesitate to ask either of them. The second one is still finicky, though.
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curtistruffle
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1/30/2018
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D--n I thought devils give 1500 echoes reward (Dynamites are no question NO of course). Great Game is fine deal then, they'll bury the secret in a web of espionage with no real use as they always do. Thanks for discussion!
And I have another question. I probably shall ask Failbetter representatives but I feel a kind of shame. I've run out of moneys so I'll abandon my Exceptional Friendship tonight for a month at least. I've played all three season's stories and collected a Locket, a Coin and a Stone, and I wonder if present Exceptional Friendship is required to benefit from season reward? (it was my first donated season so I haven't seen how such things work)
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I am a Dangerous patron
Jane Barlowe(Light Fingers), a Notorious Shenanigan and mediocre writer.
Cardinalli Browning(Bag a Legend), a Joyful Adventuress and a fictional character, written by Jane Barlowe.
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Jermaine Vendredi
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1/30/2018
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Do we have an up-to-date list of seasons and their individual Exceptional Stories, along with the writers?
I know about the "Fallen London stories & the responsible miscreants" thread, but I'm not sure it is still being maintained.
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dov
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1/30/2018
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See here:
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3AAn_Episode_for_Exceptional_Friends
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Jermaine Vendredi
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1/31/2018
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@ dov
Many thanks -- and not for the first time! A deep, and not at all gloomy well of the widest and most profound information.
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Jolanda Swan
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1/31/2018
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An embarassing question: where is my tattoo located?
I mean... where on my profile can I find what tattoo I have on me?
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