Diptych
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1/22/2018
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Hey folks! Here's this week's thread for short questions.
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Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron.
Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Siankan
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1/23/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
Still, it hurts to choose just one when I personally like all three. It may be a bit selfish of me to say I want to see all three 'sides' to the story. It especially doesn't help that switching sponsors in the future may involve possibly betraying them, something I am really not inclined to do to any of them. However, your answers have made me a little more at ease when it comes to choosing. In the end, we are all in this together. Now, who to choose...
Oh, great. Now who I choose may actually have a noticeable effect on the story. How can there be different sides to immortality? At this rate, I might as well postpone indefinitely until the story is further updated. However IC, delaying makes no sense and OOC, I am curious about the Court of the Wakeful Eye. This is frustrating.
edited by Harry P. on 1/23/2018
Do what all the rest of us have done: choose best based on the information that you have at hand. If further information arises in the future, then act on that information when it comes. There's no use speculating about unknowns in the here and now, though, and no use delaying when the refreshments are so tasty.
If that absolutely fails, then carefully print out each sponsor's vignette, arrange them equidistantly around a circle, and play Spin the Greyfields.
edited by Siankan on 1/23/2018
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PSGarak
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1/25/2018
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The way the Townhouse reports its results can be confusing if you don't know all the mechanics behind it.
You always have a 50% chance to gain a Society favor and a 50% chance to gain a Bohemian favor. These two chances are independent. If the results text says "remains unchanged" for a Faction, then you lost the roll and failed to gain a favor.
If you have 0 favors with a Faction, and fail to gain a favor with that Faction, then the results text will not mention that Faction at all.
Favors are hard-capped at 7. If you have 7 and succeed in the roll to gain one, you get text informing you that quality cannot exceed 7. If you have 7 favors and fail to gain one, then you get the same "remains unchanged" text as a regular favor.
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Diptych
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1/23/2018
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He did die young. If he survived the Greek War of Independence in Fallen London's timeline, he would have been in his early seventies at the time of the Fall.
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Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron.
Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Plynkes
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1/23/2018
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As Lord Byron was from an entirely different era (he died in 1824), then I would find it as unlikely as Shakespeare or Chaucer showing up. But you never know.
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Barse
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1/23/2018
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Rasvarmo wrote:
Two quick questions:
One - I've seen some conflicting reports about the requirements to fulfill the "London's Sinew" quality for Paramount Presence. Some sources say that to choose the "Advancement of My Friends" option requires 100 influence, while other sources say only 90 influence is needed. Which is correct?
Two - I've also heard that a Paramount Presence can now raise their stats back up to 215 with Notability? Is this true? And that all four stats can be reset to 215 with just one sacrifice of 15 Notability?
1) It used to be 100, the requirement is now 90.
2) Yes and yes!
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Siankan
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1/23/2018
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lolahighwind wrote:
Question: What's the best way to grind Souls without Renown: Hell?
My character Aquila is a Soul-Shepherd & thus needs to gather a lot of souls, but doesn't associate with devils, so it wouldn't make sense for them to gain Renown to unlock the Unfinished Business option. I've been robbing the Brass Embassy to get those souls and infernal contracts, but is there a more efficient option?
Depends on how you define efficient. Thieves' Cache expeditions in the Forgotten Quarter have a 50% chance, give or take, or uncovering a cache of 500 souls, in addition to the other rewards. If you're capable of reliably using the boldest option, the expedition requires six actions (one to start, three to make progress, and two to deal with the results). If you count in the actions needed to gain the requisite Criminals favour and supplies (assuming you're using Docks favours for them), then it takes 14 actions and a small amount of Rostygold. Since favours aren't really grindable, per se, you may not want to use this as your sole option for souls (pun not intended, I really promise), but even as a side gig it's an avenue that an active Soul Shepherd probably doesn't want to neglect.
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Tyrconnell
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1/23/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
Is there a difference between choosing the Amused Lordship, the Implacable Detective, and the Bishop of St. Fiacre when entering the Dilmun Club? If so, what is it?
There's some slightly different text but no appreciable difference, at least until and unless they expand the storyline.
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Henricus
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1/23/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
Oh, great. Now who I choose may actually have a noticeable effect on the story. How can there be different sides to immortality?
edited by Harry P. on 1/23/2018
You may wish to investigate the path to gaining certain Destinies for an answer. Or wait for fifteen years, I suppose.
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Siankan
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1/23/2018
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But all are implied to have different views on what to do if the Dilmun Club achieves its aims, in which case they may not be in it together at the finale. (I would say that is a virtual certainty, given the use of the word "betray.")
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lolahighwind
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1/23/2018
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Question: What's the best way to grind Souls without Renown: Hell?
My character Aquila is a Soul-Shepherd & thus needs to gather a lot of souls, but doesn't associate with devils, so it wouldn't make sense for them to gain Renown to unlock the Unfinished Business option. I've been robbing the Brass Embassy to get those souls and infernal contracts, but is there a more efficient option?
edited by lolahighwind on 1/23/2018
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Dionysus Highwind, the Lost Wastrel (Gone NORTH)
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dov
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1/27/2018
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Bonny Kate wrote:
I'm considering trying to keep a Noman alive this year until the Feast of the Rose, but am not sure I have enough Tears. (I've read NiteBrite's guide, and I'm afraid I'm still confused.) I currently have Taste of Lacre at 7, 6 buckets of Lacre, and 18 Tears of the Bazaar. This seems low to try to keep a Noman until the Feast, but I'm really not clear on the best way to raise Taste of Lacre to 15 for the Noman, or the best way to raise Noman's friend after I get the Noman.
It's possible, but it will be very risky. If you're unlucky then the investment (mostly the cost of Tears) will be lost. If you don't like taking risks, it might be best to save the Tears (and ToL!) until next year, which will give you a head start (also consider converting left over pails to more ToL for next year before they melt - this requires having a Dreadful Surmise).
If you are interested in risks, then here's the breakdown on how to do it:
If you still haven't create a Noman, then your only way to even get one is if you have a Dreadful Surmise (if you don't, stop here):
- Use Tears to raise ToL to 11 (and hope you don't lose a Tear doing so)
- Use a Dreadful Surmise 4 times with pails of so-called snow to raise ToL to 15 (use second chances as much as needed - you can't afford to lose this Dangerous stat check).
- Buy a Noman
At this point you'll be left with 2 pails of so-called snow and probably 17 Tears (assuming you lost one).
You can only get ToL again (from scratch) using pails and you'll only have 2. So you can only do the following process twice:
- Use your monocle on a pail to gain 3 x ToL.
- Warm your Tears until you get to ToL 11. This will cost you 1.5 Tears *on average*.
- Use the ToL option on the Noman's Progress card to convert the 11 ToL into 33 x Noman's Friend.
Doing the above twice will give you 66 x NF (166 in total) and no more pails nor ToL. You'll also probably have about 14 Tears left.
Here's where the luck part comes in: Applying the Tears directly to the Noman (which doesn't require ToL) can give you 1-25 NF. So on average you can expect to get 182 x NF, which in total should get you to 348 x NF.
Depending on how many visits of Time, the Healer your Noman needs to survive (until the tattoo parlour opens) this is possible but very risky.
If you're really lucky when applying the tears, though (i.e. getting 25 ToL out of them instead of the average 13 I've used above) they might get you 350 x NF instead of the 182 I've listed above (for a total of 516, which should be plenty to get the tattoo with little worry). But the chances for such an excellent result are very slim.
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Plynkes
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1/29/2018
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Well that will only get you so far without Fate (not far enough to draw the conflict card) and it costs thirty nicker. To my mind that's thirty nicker wasted.
You could try simply going to Spite and working for her.
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Kaijyuu
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1/29/2018
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I got a ton of connected by just working for her, yeah. Averages out to ~7 CP per action and nets some pittances of jade.
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Plynkes
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1/29/2018
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I think it is thirty.
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Plynkes
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1/29/2018
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Yeah, just had a look and the wiki says thirty. I don't have any reason to doubt it.
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Harry P.
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1/23/2018
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Is there a difference between choosing the Amused Lordship, the Implacable Detective, and the Bishop of St. Fiacre when entering the Dilmun Club? If so, what is it?
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A Magnanimous Gentleman Author with a tendency for melancholic monologues.
Elizabeth K. Broker: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Elizabeth%20K%20Broker
A Socially-Awkward Dueling Trickster with a thirst for vengeance and a soft spot for urchins.
If you are ever in need of any assistance, do not hesitate to ask either of them. The second one is still finicky, though.
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genesis
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1/26/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Can someone PM/post via spoiler tag the reward for a A Blemmigan work?
It's very similar to barely-clad decadence but without zone change.
As for the case notes, the wiki is up-to-date on what fate stories gives you notes. Effusive Relicker is from a Trade in Faces which can be repeatedly reset for Fate. But the only reliable way of getting *lots* of case notes without sinking ungodly amounts of fate is during the election.
Incidentally, if you are after a sacrifice, why not a noman?
ETA: Ah yes, there is of course the option of repeatedly abandoning the case once you reach 10 progress. I forgot about that.
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Catherine Raymond
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1/23/2018
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Plynkes wrote:
Siankan wrote:
Since favours aren't really grindable, per se, you may not want to use this as your sole option for souls (pun not intended, I really promise), but even as a side gig it's an avenue that an active Soul Shepherd probably doesn't want to neglect.
The game seems very generous in handing out Criminal favours to me these days, I seem to have more than I know what to do with most of the time. I tend to go expeditions to the Forgotten Quarter just to spend them because the game wants to give me more and I already have seven. I don't play scientifically, though. I just do what I feel, rather than worrying about efficiency.
But that said, expeditions have been so fruitful on that score lately that I haven't bothered with any other methods of soul-collecting, and I'm still swimming in the things.
Here's an idea. The "Implausible Penance" Opportunity card contains a bunch of storylets, all of which require various amounts of Criminal Favours for various rewards. The pair of storylets under "Pugilism and Politics" require 7 Favours apiece. The one where you beat up the Minister gives you 3 Ostentatious Diamonds and 1 or 2 Magnificent Diamonds; the one where you beat up the Kingpin gives you 700 Rostygold and a Favour in High Places. Now, the Minister one gives you some Suspicion (not a great amount) and the Kingpin one increases your Turncoat quality if you have it.
However, Magnificent Diamonds are hard to get (most of the other ways to get them require rare successes or other luck-dependent measures). They are worth 12.50 apiece, and absolutely necessary to make some items (e.g., Bejeweled Lens). So if you are rolling in Criminal Favours, it's worth keeping an eye out for the card. It comes with Standard Frequency.
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suinicide
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1/24/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Not a big-lore-head, but most of the times I understand the meanings.
Using the tears is not one of the times so could anyone please tell me [spoiler]if the visions is only about the purple lady? Or are there extra meanings to it?[/spoiler]
Cheers!
I don't think it's related to the lady in lilac at all. Its about [spoiler] the bazaar [/spoiler]
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PSGarak
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1/24/2018
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suinicide wrote:
I don't think it's related to the lady in lilac at all. Its about [spoiler] the bazaar [/spoiler]
I can see why the success text would imply Lilac, but the failure text adds a few lines that make things more clear.
Also this confusion just helped me make a connection related to the practice of Illumination, and how the Great Game is a reflection of a greater game.
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Henricus
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1/24/2018
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Henricus wrote:
You may wish to investigate the path to gaining certain Destinies for an answer. Or wait for fifteen years, I suppose.
Care for more details about that (which) certain Destiny?
Forgive me for trying to keep at least some of the mystery intact. You will find enlightenment on the twenty-first of September, 1911, and if that isn't enough, I don't know what will be. [spoiler]The wiki is a thing, incidentally.[/spoiler]
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suinicide
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1/25/2018
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I think you'll need to contact support for that.
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Plynkes
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1/25/2018
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Do you lose any of the progress qualities such as Running Battle, Fascinating and so on if you die and go to the slow boat? Can't recall. Don't think you do, but just wanted to check.
Incidentally, I was just looking at the Wiki about this (and it doesn't mention any progress loss, but I thought I'd still just check with living people) and on the page for the boat trip it says: Music: The Crowds of Spite. What does this mean?
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Plynkes
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1/25/2018
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Oh, the app version has music? I didn't know that. Don't really do apps. 
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Kaijyuu
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1/25/2018
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Re: progress loss in menace areas.
No you don't lose anything really by going to the slow boat. Just time. You'll be plopped back into your lodgings afterward, so you'll get effectively kicked out of places like the court if you die there. That's all I can think of though.
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PSGarak
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1/25/2018
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Tintinnabulum wrote:
Does raising the "Engaged in a Scheme: a Salon" quality above the 6 you need to invite people actually do anything? Do the options or rewards change the higher it goes?
You spend the Scheme quality to invite people. You can bank it without limit.
There are also a few options that require higher amounts of scheme. In general, the amount of Making Waves you gain is proportional to the CP loss of Scheme that you spend.
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genesis
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I mean, it's exactly as described on the wiki. You get 0-1 favours of each type but all favours from all sources are hard-capped. If the RNG rolls 0 for a favour type you won't get any of those favours. If it rolls 1 you'll get a favour as long as you are not already at the maximum of 7 favours for that type. What exactly is the source of confusion?
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Siankan
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1/23/2018
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Harry P. wrote:
That is good to hear, and yet frustrating. IC, I have connections to all three characters (ID: 1895 Election, BoSF: Ambition Heart's Desire, AL: Dilmun Club) and OOC I am very attached to all three characters and can easily achieve all three of their sponsorship. Thanks for the quick answer. It looks like I will have to postpone choosing until I can figure out who I like the most. Immortality, see you later.
It is to be noted that the reminder text does imply a chance to switch later. It does use the word "betray," which seems a little unpromising, but we really have to wait until it happens to see what develops. In the interim, at least we know there will be some vehicle for changing our sponsorial relationship.
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Tyrconnell
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1/23/2018
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It's also not like the three are adversaries. They're all members of the Dilmun club, and they're in it together. Only one can sponsor you, but it's not implied to be any kind of great slight to the others when you pick one. You can have more than one mentor!
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Tyrconnell
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1/23/2018
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Bitty wrote:
If i'm grinding secrets for SMEN what's the best way to go about it?
Probably converting Cryptic Clues. There are a lot of good sources of those in your opportunity deck, but for grinding them you're best off if you still have access to investigations at the University. Get some Investigating and CC from talking to department faculty, then "Raid a Message-drop" in the Flit. If you don't have access to the University then you'll be relying on "Eavesdropping" in Unfinished Business in Spite.
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Six Handed Merchant
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1/23/2018
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This is more to resolve a long-running question in my household: is there a character in Fallen London that is an analogue to Lord Byron? And if so, who?
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