kwogger
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11/20/2017
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So, I not too long ago rushed and made my way to Paramount Presence. And I just pretty much accidentally lost a point of persuasive for pretty much no reason.
So. Stuck without any recourse. I don't suppose I can ask nicely for some option to resolve this?
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Tozh Taurog
Posts: 114
11/20/2017
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It does seem incongruous that the ultimate POSI level actually removes the perks of the previous one. Forever. And you can't even go back.
I really, really hope FBG fixes it. But I think someone said in the other PP topic that they weren't really going to, because it's techinically complicated (I don't know enough about StoryNexus to have my own opinion) and not worth the bother for the few people who get that far.
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Wiwo
Posts: 365
11/28/2017
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Alternatively, why not add a new option to the unfinished business or "attend to matters of (e.g. suspicion)" storylets which simply set the stat value to 215 as long as your current value is greater than 200 but no more than 215 and which are unlocked by the PP PoSI value.
It's not as though mitigating the notability grind and the card draw would be drastically overpowered given the sheer notability grinding which went into it in the first place. A reward for that kind of dedication hardly seems out of the question.
There could be some brief, flavorful text about drawing strength from London itself, the living web, etc...
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Passionario
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11/21/2017
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As I understand it, the issue isn't even that there's no easy solution. The problem is the code can't require (in this case) Legendary Charisma or Paramount Presence while excluding the other specialties. The easy solution would be to make duplicate options for all four stats requiring PP instead of the relevant specialty, or to just make one option that overstatted all four stats at once. My guess is that they haven't done this because they want to solve it with a different mechanical design rather than just technical workarounds.
If I was doing that in my SN world, I'd clone "An unsigned message" with all branches, give the original version a requirement "Person of Some Importance < 10", give the cloned version a requirement "Person of Some Importance = 10" and remove all POSI requirements from stat-increasing options on the cloned version. That still leaves the issue of creating a duplicate branch for "Await an Unsigned Message" in "Write Letters", but adding one is easier and less error-prone than adding four.
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idyl
Posts: 168
11/20/2017
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Once you're a Paramount Presence, you can not raise your stats again using the Unsigned Message card. You can only head back down toward 200.
I'm sure FB has it on their list of things to fix/adjust, but as it only affects a handful of people, it probably isn't top priority.
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xKiv
Posts: 846
11/22/2017
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karsus wrote:
A potential fix would be for Paramount Presence's to gain as a benefit the ability to not lose stats (except perhaps for Flint or Seeking). That would give a nice bonus for those that achieved PP status and solve the issue.
(Also missing the Nadir)
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
11/22/2017
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Passionario wrote:
Optimatum wrote:
As I understand it, the issue isn't even that there's no easy solution. The problem is the code can't require (in this case) Legendary Charisma or Paramount Presence while excluding the other specialties. The easy solution would be to make duplicate options for all four stats requiring PP instead of the relevant specialty, or to just make one option that overstatted all four stats at once. My guess is that they haven't done this because they want to solve it with a different mechanical design rather than just technical workarounds.
If I was doing that in my SN world, I'd clone "An unsigned message" with all branches, give the original version a requirement "Person of Some Importance < 10", give the cloned version a requirement "Person of Some Importance = 10" and remove all POSI requirements from stat-increasing options on the cloned version. That still leaves the issue of creating a duplicate branch for "Await an Unsigned Message" in "Write Letters", but adding one is easier and less error-prone than adding four.
Quite frankly, that solution makes no sense whatsoever. "An unsigned message" has four PoSI specialization options to eighteen non-specialization options. Making an entirely new card and duplicating the relevant actions is far more complicated than duplicating four branches on one card and tweaking the unlock requirements.
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Passionario
Posts: 777
11/23/2017
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Optimatum wrote:
Quite frankly, that solution makes no sense whatsoever.
In my experience, that's often the case with Storynexus. 
Unfortunately, the more branches a storylet has, the more likely it is to cause slowdowns and/or browser errors. As you've noted yourself, "An unsigned message" already has a lot of options, putting it into the high-risk territory. This is why I suggested going via the cloning route - having two mutually exclusive 22-branch cards is a more stable solution than having a single 26-branch one.
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
11/23/2017
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Huh, I hadn't heard of that issue before. In that case, I'd probably put both new and existing overcapping options in a separate storylet accessed via a redirect on the main card, like "More rarefied and elaborate roles?" may eventually be.
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
11/20/2017
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idyl wrote:
I'm sure FB has it on their list of things to fix/adjust, but as it only affects a handful of people, it probably isn't top priority.
Pretty much this. They don't want this to be the case, but there's no easy technical solution and they're pretty busy right now.
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Tozh Taurog
Posts: 114
11/21/2017
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For the time being, it makes the grind undesirable for me. I do not want to lose the Nadir, or smash the computer whenever I misclick.
And that is why I'm sitting on four London Organism items since before Hallowmas and not going through with PP. I was slow enough grinding Notability that I found about this before I got to the end. I still want to do it, but I just can't bear to give up Nadir. And misclicks will happen, that's life.
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karsus
Posts: 26
11/21/2017
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A potential fix would be for Paramount Presence's to gain as a benefit the ability to not lose stats (except perhaps for Flint or Seeking). That would give a nice bonus for those that achieved PP status and solve the issue.
(Also missing the Nadir)
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Artful
Posts: 48
12/1/2017
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Yeah, I feel the reasoning that it would be hard to update the card's existing options to work with PP to be unconvincing.
Just adding a new option on that card for PP to bump all stats in one go or adding a new option elsewhere to do it one at a time seems simple enough.
Until this is addressed, I am just going to sit with the 4 qualities required for PP without crossing over.
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Faey
Posts: 61
12/1/2017
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Another alternate option would be to create a lodgings storylet(s) unlocked by having a London Organism quality that allows you to recap the related stat without having to have the PoSI specialization. Maybe even at an easier cost than the 15 Notability required through specialization in acknowledgement of your previous achievement.
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