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Fallen London Reworks: Dilmun Club

Absintheuse Posts: 348 10/30/2017	Excitingly, those wishing to continue their adventures in the Dilmun Club will find a new update has gone live today! Players up to date with the content will be able to come across the Inching Ever Closer card in their Opportunity Deck, as long as they’ve also served one term as governor. We hope you’ve all enjoyed the updates from our Fallen London Reworks projects! This will be the final update for the current project, but expect to see a few updates throughout 2018. edited by Absintheuse on 10/30/2017 edited by Absintheuse on 10/30/2017
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Omega8520 Posts: 102 10/30/2017	Also, mildly off topic, but would it be possible to get posters of that art of the four tigers? Because that is absolutely stunning. Compliments to whoever drew it. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Omega8520 A Correspondent of measure and restraint, not-withstanding a tendancy to rush into things. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menacing%20Seeker Northwards with Noman. At least they'll have company.
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Pumpkinhead Posts: 516 11/1/2017	trajing wrote: TL;DR: Orphans are faster no matter what, basically. okay great i didn't have morals anyway -- McGunn/Bsymstad is on the slow boat, waiting to see if he can find out what death is. (I'm done with London for now. Thanks for everything!) Amanda Albright is a spoiler now, like she always wanted.
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Dima Lazarev Posts: 172 11/4/2017	I have a tiger! Do you have a tiger? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Dima Lazarev
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dov Posts: 2580 11/7/2017	How about this for EPA calculations? Let's ignore card-based things, like Favours: Buy 4 x Winsome Dispossessed Urchins (cost: 259.20 echoes) Convert to 100 x Tribute (cost: 4 actions) Claim 5 x boon over at the Court of the Wakeful Eye (gain: 312.5 echoes; cost: 20 actions) Total echoes gain: 312.5 - 259.20 = 53.30 echoes Total action cost: 24 Total EPA: 2.22 So, theoretically, if you invest enough money and actions into this it will compensate for the action cost of the two-way zee trip (and being away from London). Unlike Favours, there's no dependency on RNG and there's no Tribute cap. Any mistakes I've made? -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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dov Posts: 2580 10/31/2017	I have to say I love the text snippets you get when giving the Tiger Keeper items for Tribute. My favourite: The response when you give cash (25 Echoes): The Tiger Keeper wrote: "Ah," says the Tiger Keeper, eyeing the stack of notes. "Capital." -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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aegisaglow Posts: 202 10/30/2017	gronostaj wrote: Has anyone been brazen enough to try and surrender their starveling kitty-cat to the tigers? I didn't see anyone else answer, so I guess I'll have to take the plunge here. "It goes rather unwell. No sooner is the beast is unleashed from its bag, it's yowled past the bewildered guards and is devouring precious gems by the casket-ful. The Tiger Keeper is disgusted beyond words, and wonders aloud if your soul isn't more mutilated than that of the poor beast. I lost all my tribute (I only had 5) and got +1 CP Nightmares and Wounds. Did not lose the cat though. So not as bad as I would have expected. -- Mx. Aglow. Glazier, hedonist, devil-teaser, Paramount Presence. Pursuing their Heart's Desire. Ms. Lilian Leith. A lady of proper standing, which seems like an increasingly ludicrous thing to give a rat's ___ about. Known (to some) for her Light Fingers.
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Slyblue Posts: 224 10/30/2017	"The Court of the Wakeful Eye has, through your considerable efforts, grown considerably richer..." They also have a little mob of blonde kids, a serial killer to hunt for fun, and my dignity. I hope they're happy. edited by Slyblue on 10/30/2017 -- The Smiling Devil • The Curt Licentiate • The Keen-Eyed Captain "For hearts of truest mettle, absence doth join and Time doth settle."
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/31/2017	I adore the "capital" line. I told someone about it and they agreed to hand London over to the tigers then and there, because they're clearly the superior species. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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TheThirdPolice Posts: 609 11/16/2017	Gorgeous art on the Tiger ministers, but sorry to see this is a much shorter story extension than I expected. I get that adding more grinds is an efficient way to turn employee time into endgame content, but it also feeds the problem it's trying to solve: if every step along the path involves a big grind or resource cost, it greatly slows down the rate at which new players join us at the endpoint, making it even less of a priority for Failbetter to cater to the tiny pool of players who can access that content. -- Excessive Corpse & Tender to Irreal Ravens Lover of Flawed Souls And with especial pride, Worst Screwup of the Decade!
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earthbourn Posts: 149 11/1/2017	The orphans actually aren't for food--they get along quite well with the tigers. Maybe they're even better off than in one's orphanage, what with all the unsavory types one introduces the orphans to. -- Tenterhook - A sun-seared creature learning to be human. The Mechanist, L. - Found what she was looking for. Gone now.
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Constance Harrow Posts: 15 10/31/2017	gronostaj wrote: Has anyone been brazen enough to try and surrender their starveling kitty-cat to the tigers? I did! You keep the little darling, is the good news. You will lose 5 tribute, (she eats it!) and get horribly mauled.
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 11/1/2017	Constance Harrow wrote: gronostaj wrote: Has anyone been brazen enough to try and surrender their starveling kitty-cat to the tigers? I did! You keep the little darling, is the good news. You will lose 5 tribute, (she eats it!) and get horribly mauled. Which is sadly less satisfying than letting the children play with it. ....what? -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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Lallinka Posts: 138 10/30/2017	The tiger (Stripped delights) option at the end of the Port Carnelian carousel now has an AwRA 15 requirement. Here's the echo for it: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Ragish?fromEchoId=12826304 It gives out all the usual perks +5 Tribute edited by Lallinka on 10/30/2017 -- Lallinka is accepting any social interactions as soon as my actions allow it. No Loitering and no Photographer, please. Available for interviews about Nemesis and a Midnighter for Orphanages. Ragish is accepting everything, including Loitering and Photographer. Available for interviews about Heart's Desire and a Crooked-cross for Salons. Pienkava is freshly out of prison and will need charity to survive in the harsh streets of London. Have pity, she is only fifteen.
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Vavakx Nonexus Posts: 892 10/30/2017	Kylestien wrote: Does anyone have any idea what it means by other boons? I'm wondering if I should try and get more tribute or if it's just flavor text. The boons consist of:[spoiler]20 Tribute for a walk with one of the Tiger Ministers, which gives you 62.5 Echoes, either as one item (Enigma, Night-Whisper or Primaeval Hint) or 5 Favours in High Places. 240 Tribute for getting to pick up another Tiger Minister as a companion (they give +10 to a single stat). There are four ministers total, and you get your first Minister for free just for visiting, so it's 720 Tribute to pick up the other 3.[/spoiler] -- Amets Estibariz, the Moulting Eidolon: Cradled by a sun all their own. Blabbing, the Hobo Everyone Knows: The One Who Pulls The Strings. A Clarity In The Darkness. Charlotte and the Caretaker: A family?
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Hotshot Blackburn Posts: 110 10/30/2017	Another question for those in the know regarding boons, because I am nowhere near - is this a one-time thing, as in you should be grinding boons to as high a level as you desire before you 'advance the storyline' and are locked out of options (like the Third Coil, which I am still salty about :V), or is this more like...another end-game grind/thing to do even after you've advanced the storyline (like the Fourth Coil, where there is No End to how many Hounds of Heaven you can hand over)? -- Hotshot Blackburn: Messidor, Aspirant to the Calendar Council. Paramount Presence. Seeker of the Name. A firm believer in kindness, solidarity, and sufficient use of force and firepower.
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 10/30/2017	Faey wrote: Warning: -spoiler snip- [spoiler]The extra Tribute is useful there.[/spoiler] -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Vavakx Nonexus Posts: 892 10/30/2017	suinicide wrote: That was...short. Feels like a prelude to the actual story. What's there is decent though, and 4 unique companions, one of which is +10 Dangerous. Maybe there will be something more if you get all four of them? Several people have already gotten all four through obscene amounts of Fate. There isn't anything more thus far. -- Amets Estibariz, the Moulting Eidolon: Cradled by a sun all their own. Blabbing, the Hobo Everyone Knows: The One Who Pulls The Strings. A Clarity In The Darkness. Charlotte and the Caretaker: A family?
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Omega8520 Posts: 102 10/30/2017	Opportuity card is Ubiquitous, Robin, you're probably just really unlucky. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Omega8520 A Correspondent of measure and restraint, not-withstanding a tendancy to rush into things. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menacing%20Seeker Northwards with Noman. At least they'll have company.
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Anchovies Posts: 421 10/31/2017	dov wrote: I have to say I love the text snippets you get when giving the Tiger Keeper items for Tribute. My favourite: The response when you give cash (25 Echoes): The Tiger Keeper wrote: "Ah," says the Tiger Keeper, eyeing the stack of notes. "Capital." Oh, that is great. I for one am rather enamored with the Tiger-Keeper doofing out over an offering of puzzle-damask. The text for placing a Winsome Dispossessed Orphan in their care is also very very good. Majestic and fantastical and a little frightening because although he may be a friendly kitty who smokes hookah and wears a fez, the Tiger-Keeper is still a six-hundred-pound tiger. This update is so very well written in general. I'm thoroughly impressed, and I've not even left London yet! It's still setup for something more, but it's a top-quality pseudo-endgame. The Labyrinth of Tigers has some of the best-developed repeatable content in FL (monster breeding, anyone?), and the fifth coil is brilliant even among such company. Bravo! Bravo! -- Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him. —Sir Arthur C Clarke Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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Aronia Posts: 36 11/26/2017	Uh-huh. I cannot say I'm not disappointed with the Court of the Wakeful Eye content. It's true, I did have my hopes quite high. Because, you know, the Dilmun Club. Learning the nature of Death itself. Gates of the Garden. The tigers — my god, the tigers in their own sovereign territory! Getting to the very heart of it! And… well, those companions do have good stats. And the loot you can grind is rather high-level. But — that's all there is. Hey, I could have gone without any rewards whatsoever, just give me a story, please. A decent grind that ends with several sturdy walls of text and a few uncovered secrets of Fallen London. My character doesn't do it for the loot anyway, you know. One more puzzling thing is the way of getting to the Court of the Wakeful Eye. It's situated straight behind Port Carnelian, right? It seems a little queer that I have to sail from Port Carnelian to the Court. Am I just going in circles to return to the same port? I didn't mean to sound all offensive, though. The new content really is good, and it has tigers above all. There's just too little of it. It's like finding out that what you thought to be a book's prologue is really the whole book. I guess I'm returning to waiting. Maybe I'll become the Poet-Laureate in the meantime. edited by Aronia on 11/26/2017 -- Lucy van Helsing, phantom de sa fille, a breathtaking and inescapable lady, spending most of her time among the Bohemians, the Devils and the Society. I don't loiter right now, but I like chess and coffee, Strage Pranks, Bifurcated Dreams and the like. I also accept Calling Cards. Ask this shady individual to loiter or help with Menaces if you'd like. Out of Skulls for now, though.
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MadDwarf Posts: 6 1/1/2018	Considering they are not actual physical companions, it would be pretty nifty if you could combine all four into a single "Council of the Wakeful Eye" or something of the sort. +10 to all stats, 1 Bizarre, 1 Dreaded and 1 Respectable. Folks who don't have access to Bifurcated Owl or the Ubergoat would probably appreciate the BDR. Also, combining all 4 tiger faces into one would probably mean seeing the face of God. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Roddok~Hrismar
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 11/10/2017	Ι honestly hope there is a story to go with Dilmun club. Carnelian etc are fine carousels, and the tigers are by all means a well-written grind. However, I am curious as to if there will be an adventure at the end, something happening instead of simply exploring. NOt that this would be inadequate, of course. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 11/10/2017	Jolanda Swan wrote: Ι honestly hope there is a story to go with Dilmun club. Carnelian etc are fine carousels, and the tigers are by all means a well-written grind. However, I am curious as to if there will be an adventure at the end, something happening instead of simply exploring. NOt that this would be inadequate, of course. Almost certainly. In some dev commentary, Alexis said that a big justification for writing something as big as Flint was that a lot of the content could be adapted for use in other stories, specifically mentioning the Elder Continent expedition as something for the Dilmun Club. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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loredeluxe Posts: 106 10/31/2017	Requiescat in Pace my bank account. 25 echoes gives 10 tribute and it only takes one action. That mean's each tiger is effectively 600 echoes and all three is 1800. It's the fastest way to get all three and I have the cash to burn. Although, I wouldn't mind if somebody came up with a requiem for my wallet.
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Pumpkinhead Posts: 516 11/1/2017	Ah, it's wonderful to see the location picture for the South again without having to SMEN (or pay fate). It's one of my favorite pieces of art in the game for some reason. Perhaps it's the light, which is so lacking everywhere else in FL. My appreciation is nothing to what a Neather would feel on seeing it, though. ...come to think of it, I think I killed the mountain in my destiny, before I knew what was going on... Good thing destinies aren't set in Stone (ha) Edit: Also, a way to grind searing enigmas without any luck involved, yay! edited by Pumpkinhead on 11/1/2017 edited by Pumpkinhead on 11/1/2017 -- McGunn/Bsymstad is on the slow boat, waiting to see if he can find out what death is. (I'm done with London for now. Thanks for everything!) Amanda Albright is a spoiler now, like she always wanted.
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Snowskeeper Posts: 575 11/3/2017	earthbourn wrote: The orphans actually aren't for food--they get along quite well with the tigers. Maybe they're even better off than in one's orphanage, what with all the unsavory types one introduces the orphans to. Trading in children is still generally considered morally dubious at best. -- S.F., a midnight midnighter and invisible eminence. Impossible to locate them, personally, but there are dead drops and agents.
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Reused NPC Posts: 259 10/30/2017	Oh boy, Dilmun club! Time to draw like nobody's busi-- ... ...time to go get exiled from the Court, I mean. That seems kinda weird to me that it needs a term as Governor, but eh. I guess I'll get myself the boot once I'm done with the Hallowmas grind. Edit: Also, those tigers are pretty neat-looking. Like a piece of modern art. edited by ReusedNPC on 10/30/2017 -- ReusedNPC, a d__ned lunatic. Edmund Viric, a rather dreamy sort. "I won't stay long, I shan't stay long! Tell me a secret." --the Baldomerian
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Barse Posts: 706 10/30/2017	The Stranger Man wrote: I notice that there is an option to give unto the Tiger Keeper a Mountain-Sherd. Would I be so daring? Could I be so daring? Should I be so daring? It's not really worth it - the result is in my journal. [spoiler]35 Tribute.[/spoiler] edited by Barse on 10/30/2017 -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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Anchovies Posts: 421 10/30/2017	Dilmun Club and the Fifth Coil? Too cool! It's great to learn more about the Labyrinth's ties to the Banded Prince. -- Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him. —Sir Arthur C Clarke Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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Siankan Posts: 1048 10/30/2017	Hotshot Blackburn wrote: ...Also with all this new content coming out that relies on you being exiled from Court I'm a little curious to hear from those who chose not to get exiled for game or RP reasons. It's become pretty clear for these end game stories it's a choice that Failbetter expects you to have made as part of the story advancing, so what do people who made the deliberate choice not to think? An excellent question! May I give some answer? First, I do plan on becoming exiled from Court eventually, but not by choice. Such a thing is highly out of character for my main character, but traveling to Port Carnelian and serving as governor are even more highly in character Thus, I made the decision to do it eventually, once I've come up with a good enough RP excuse, as it were. (This is as opposed to, say, the Wars of Illusion, which - though appropriate enough for said character, are not enough to balance out the out-of-character choice of becoming a Master Thief.) The Dilmun Club, which is yea more in character provides even more of a push to do what Prof. Kan would otherwise certainly avoid. Some could be said here on the general London assumption that every PC either is or will become a cynical jerk. To me, however, the more important point is that releasing extensions to current content is a complicated business. Ideally, that content builds on what came before in such a way that people who will want to do Thing X are naturally those who would have done Thing W right before it. The Making Your Name stories function like this. If I set up my character so that pickpocketing and area diving is attractive, naturally I will want to progress to master thievery; if even picking up a silken hankie is against my character, then I certainly will not be breaking into the Brass Embassy for kicks. However, this can also lead to compartmentalization and repetition, neither of which make for compelling narrative. The other option is to let the streams bleed a little bit, have things that require both A and B to do, or that require different things in different ways This is the sort of situation you find yourself with in the Dilmun Club, which might naturally favor Watchfulness, but which is here involved with a Persuasive storyline, and particularly a late-game decision that not everyone might want to make. It's frustrating, when you find yourself deciding between bending character and being cut off from attractive content. If such a decision is forced frivolously, especially in a game as focused on player choices as this one, you have bad design. However, if the decision follows naturally from the content itself, then you probably have a good thing going, however awkward. In this instance, the plot for the Dilmun Club (as best I can gather without having played it) is deeply connected to the affairs of Port Carnelian and either could not have been done, or could not have been done as well, without a governorship and its related privileges under the belt. What FBG is up against here (which also came up regarding Hallowmas content) is the pressure of completionism. It's a continual issue in a game like this. You want to offer players different paths and options, but there is also a pressure in players to get all the things. What designers intend as an optional path looks to players as a necessity, at times to the point of complaints that the player is being led by the nose down what was intended to be a side alley. Is there a perfect solution? Not always. So, while I may perhaps grumble a bit in the privacy of my own skull, I also respect and (to the degree I can without having played it) understand the decision. -- Prof. Sian Kan, at your service.
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VioletBandit Posts: 100 10/30/2017	Hotshot Blackburn wrote: is this a one-time thing, as in you should be grinding boons to as high a level as you desire before you 'advance the storyline' and are locked out of options Seconding this question. I know nothing about these tigers, but the art was enough to convince me that I must have them all. If it means several weeks of grinding before advancing, that is completely fine, but I would prefer to move on with the story and collect them one at a time if that is possible. How much tribute do you get from the ballet? -- Violet Bandit, my main account. Extraordinary Mind and player of the Marvellous. Dauntless Damsel, my alt. Shattering Force and Vake hunter.
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suinicide Posts: 2409 10/30/2017	That was...short. Feels like a prelude to the actual story. What's there is decent though, and 4 unique companions, one of which is +10 Dangerous. Maybe there will be something more if you get all four of them? edited by suinicide on 10/30/2017 edited by suinicide on 10/30/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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PSGarak Posts: 834 10/30/2017	Anchovies wrote: ... it may be time to start a night-whisper collection... Sackmass is coming. This makes last-minute preparations significantly more available. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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earthbourn Posts: 149 10/30/2017	Hotshot Blackburn wrote: ...Also with all this new content coming out that relies on you being exiled from Court I'm a little curious to hear from those who chose not to get exiled for game or RP reasons. It's become pretty clear for these end game stories it's a choice that Failbetter expects you to have made as part of the story advancing, so what do people who made the deliberate choice not to think? I had been hanging on to the Court for some of the convenient grinds, so I'm a little disappointed that I can't start on the new Dilmun content right away, especially since this is the update I've been most excited for. It's not a huge deal, though--now that the return to court has been implemented, I had no scruples with getting the boot, and I've already made governorship preparations at the Foreign Office. I'll rush out to Port Carnelian as soon as Hallowmas is over. I'll be a week or so behind the curve, but that's not too far. edited by earthbourn on 10/30/2017 -- Tenterhook - A sun-seared creature learning to be human. The Mechanist, L. - Found what she was looking for. Gone now.
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gronostaj Posts: 403 10/30/2017	Has anyone been brazen enough to try and surrender their starveling kitty-cat to the tigers? -- Gronostaj (pl. Ermine), a decadent duellist of mysterious and indistinct gender. Seeker. Willing to die- but not of boredom. Open to all social actions, including the harmful ones. Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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The Stranger Man Posts: 21 10/30/2017	I notice that there is an option to give unto the Tiger Keeper a Mountain-Sherd. Would I be so daring? Could I be so daring? Should I be so daring? -- When the strange things come a-knocking, hire someone Stranger.
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Faey Posts: 61 10/30/2017	Reused NPC wrote: That seems kinda weird to me that it needs a term as Governor, but eh. It kinda makes sense once you get that far. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Faey http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Alice%20Tonnerre
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Ixc Posts: 365 10/30/2017	I do think there should be an option to give Tribute directly to the Court, instead of sailing back to London. -- Pleased to meet you. Ixc, spy and detective. Inventor of the Correspondence Cannon. Are you a Paramount Presence? Record your name here. For posterity, of course. Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
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muddovermatter Posts: 11 10/31/2017	you can go back as much as you like, it just opens up on the 'across the southern archipelago' list. and jason, you need to go sailing. presumably that's the instruction you missed.
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Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575 11/8/2017	Not really criticism, just an observation: it felt mildly odd picking from the options on our thoughts about death, since all of them seemed like something I might suggest. No option felt comfortable, but I suppose that was most likely the point. Though, I'm unsure why any learnt Londoner would look forward to death. [spoiler]Knowing what we know, that death is a fragmentation/digestion of the self by callus gods that sends what's left to suffer on a weary dark isle just a fall from slipping into watery oblivion, death sounds like literal hell.[/spoiler] So excuse me, Minister of Enigmas and Culture, but unless you plan on shoring up in Parabola forever or want to join me for a self-destructive dip in the River, I think I prefer being alive and miserable over being dead and moderately more miserable. edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 11/8/2017 -- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft Available for any and all social actions.
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Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575 11/14/2017	Jolanda Swan wrote: It will also depend on your vessel. For example the yacht has some profitable actions along the way, which you might miss if you spend supplies. Well, I do have the yacht, so I'd be missing out on some easy cash. Specifically, 2.9 echoes worth on the "Invite them aboard for a party" card and 1.62 for the "Zailing in style" card, plus whatever I can scrounge from the regular cards. Assuming I get those cards regularly from the deck, I could make a tidy profit from not using maps and Zee-Stories to make the trip quicker. On a side note, I currently have 318 (though I'm only using 317) Winsome Dispossessed Orphans and 2535 Tribute, adding up to a total Tribute of 10460 with 9740 left over after gaining the other 3 tiger ministers. With 4 actions per every 20 points of Tribute for a profit of 62.5 echoes worth, it'll take 1948 actions or a minimum of 13.5 days at the Court to make a profit of 30437.5 echoes in items. Not counting my Tribute and the actions used to get it prior to buying my Winsome Dispossessed Orphans, it'll take a total of 2352 actions for a gross EPA of roughly 12.94 per action and a net EPA of 2.17 per action (orphans are hecking expensive). This isn't counting in actions and echoes from zee travel, which could raise or lower the EPA depending on luck of the draw and the use of the yacht. Overall, not a bad grind at all. edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 11/14/2017 -- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft Available for any and all social actions.
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 11/14/2017	Sir Joseph Marlen wrote: On a side note, I currently have 318 (though I'm only using 317) Winsome Dispossessed Orphans and 2535 Tribute, adding up to a total Tribute of 10460 with 9740 left over after gaining the other 3 tiger ministers. With 4 actions per every 20 points of Tribute for a profit of 62.5 echoes worth, it'll take 1948 actions or a minimum of 13.5 days at the Court to make a profit of 30437.5 echoes in items. Not counting my Tribute and the actions used to get it prior to buying my Winsome Dispossessed Orphans, it'll take a total of 2352 actions for a gross EPA of roughly 12.94 per action and a net EPA of 2.17 per action (orphans are hecking expensive). This isn't counting in actions and echoes from zee travel, which could raise or lower the EPA depending on luck of the draw and the use of the yacht. Overall, not a bad grind at all. edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 11/14/2017 Didn't play this story yet, but Dov's math (last post on previous page) seem to be more accurate. Add your average AP "wasted" on Zee, insert it in the script at the top of the page and there! You will be missing the nice London cards, but I think this grind is well worth it specially if you need those damn expensive (and not anymore rare) items! If you want to be accurate about your AP on Zee you can take some notes on your cost, E gain, convert E to negative AP (in this case it may be the target EPA), sum those two and get your total zee trip cost. -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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dov Posts: 2580 11/14/2017	Of course, when zee travel is concerned there are many variables. E.g. if you combine the trip with Port Carnelian it can be very profitable: - The journey to the Court of the Wakeful Eye is only one additional zee trip, not two. - Cycles in Port Carnelian can now give you 5 x Tribute (if siding with the Tigers). edited by dov on 11/14/2017 -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 11/10/2017	So far, yes. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Omega8520 Posts: 102 11/11/2017	That's a known(ish) bug. It normally comes from Seeking. Entering a flash lay or the pickpockets promenade should sort the deck out. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Omega8520 A Correspondent of measure and restraint, not-withstanding a tendancy to rush into things. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menacing%20Seeker Northwards with Noman. At least they'll have company.
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Pnakotic Posts: 266 11/12/2017	Omega8520 wrote: That's a known(ish) bug. It normally comes from Seeking. Entering a flash lay or the pickpockets promenade should sort the deck out. Thank you, that seems to have fixed it. -- J. Ward Dunn, Glassman Book of All Hours 9:99: Journey's end in lover's meeting. Progress is ascendancy.
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 11/7/2017	dov wrote: How about this for EPA calculations? Let's ignore card-based things, like Favours: Buy 4 x Winsome Dispossessed Urchins (cost: 259.20 echoes) Convert to 100 x Tribute (cost: 4 actions) Claim 5 x boon over at the Court of the Wakeful Eye (gain: 312.5 echoes; cost: 20 actions) Total echoes gain: 312.5 - 259.20 = 53.30 echoes Total action cost: 24 Total EPA: 2.22 So, theoretically, if you invest enough money and actions into this it will compensate for the action cost of the two-way zee trip (and being away from London). Unlike Favours, there's no dependency on RNG and there's no Tribute cap. Any mistakes I've made? Not sure about the mechanics, but if these are true you can use this script (run it in Dev tool's console; F12). Just modify the first two variables with your desired EPA and the approximate number of AP required for trip (and anything else). var tripAP = 60, targetEPA = 2.3, input = 259.2, output = 312.5, dif = output - input, AP = 24, EPA = dif / (AP + tripAP), rounds = 0, totalAP = AP + tripAP; if(targetEPA < 2.22) { while(EPA < targetEPA) { rounds++; EPA = (dif * rounds) / (AP * rounds + tripAP) } console.log(rounds + ' rounds (' + (AP * rounds + tripAP) + ' AP) are needed to achieve an EPA of biger than ' + targetEPA + ' (' + EPA.toFixed(3) + ').You need ' + (input * rounds).toFixed(2) + ' E (' + (rounds * 4) + ' Winsome Dispossessed Urchins) to yield ' + (dif * rounds).toFixed(2) + ' extra E'); } else { console.log('Your targetEPA must be lower than 2.22!') } -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Lamia Lawless Posts: 604 11/5/2017	Words can't express how excited I am about this. Smoke signals? Aggressive pantomiming? This emoticon will have to do. -- The Harmonic Hellfarer
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Dima Lazarev Posts: 172 11/5/2017	Optimatum wrote: …and you'll have to spend those other 12 actions on your base grind. Why wouldn’t I spend those 12 actions on gaining more favours and then converting them into tributes instead? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Dima Lazarev
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Jason5237 Posts: 298 10/31/2017	muddovermatter & Alice - thank you! Didn't know if I needed to await for an opportunity card next, or meet one of my sponsers somewhere in London, or go sailing, or.... Appreciate the assistance. J- -- H.G.R.: Adventuer, Explorer, Paramount Londoner https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/User766505
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John Moose Posts: 276 10/31/2017	That sounds like a bug to me, those are best sent to support@failbettergames.com with a detailed description of what happened / what was supposed to happen instead, whether you were using the app, and all other things you think might be relevant.
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dov Posts: 2580 11/3/2017	Snowskeeper wrote: Trading in children is still generally considered morally dubious at best. Sure. But given the text you can certainly see this as offering this orphan a position in the Court. More like arranging for a mutually beneficial adoption, with significant career opportunities. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Tay1or Posts: 163 11/3/2017	Definitely my favorite of all the new updates! Wow--love the art, the text for getting tokens, taking tea with the ministers--all of it! Very, very cool! I've got a couple alts that have been hesitating to kicked out of court--well they're getting kicked out as soon as Hallowmass is over!
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ggscv Posts: 25 11/1/2017	Just some quick maths for those out there with tons of cash to splash, looking to maximize actions. Paying hard echoes will get you 10 tribute per 25e per action, while gifting your winsome orphan will get you 25 tribute per 64.8e per action. So for 50 tribute, you can spend 5 actions and 125e or 2 actions and 129.6e. The difference being 3 actions for 1.5e each. So there is the maths for those who might be curious. If you want to get through the content asap, I would recommend selling orphans as the quickest way. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/ggscv
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Faey Posts: 61 10/30/2017	Warning: [spoiler]When you've given sufficient tribute, the next step appears in the coil not the tribute page. It's possible to keep offering tribute beyond what is needed.[/spoiler] -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Faey http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Alice%20Tonnerre
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Mr Sables Posts: 597 10/30/2017	Bit annoyed it's started by an opportunity card that doesn't appear to be frequent; just flipped ten cards and didn't see any sign, which means potentially waiting all day - if the RNG favours me - just to continue. Still, glad it's been updated. Here's looking forward to eventually playing it. Edit: It took eighteen flips of cards in total, but finally able to play the story. I still maintain this would have been much better as a pinned storylet. edited by Robin Alexander on 10/30/2017
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menaulon Posts: 112 10/30/2017	I have become far less weasel-ful. I don't know if I should thank the Court or curse them. -- Menaulon Open to social actions, but would prefer to be betrayed in the search for Photographer.
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Hotshot Blackburn Posts: 110 10/30/2017	I have nothing to say at this time except even from the limited amount I've been able to play through it's already so exciting! The use of the Fate-limited items as Tribute seems a little underwhelming since they're so rare, but the stuff like using the Empress's Court and favors and other items is great! ...Also with all this new content coming out that relies on you being exiled from Court I'm a little curious to hear from those who chose not to get exiled for game or RP reasons. It's become pretty clear for these end game stories it's a choice that Failbetter expects you to have made as part of the story advancing, so what do people who made the deliberate choice not to think? -- Hotshot Blackburn: Messidor, Aspirant to the Calendar Council. Paramount Presence. Seeker of the Name. A firm believer in kindness, solidarity, and sufficient use of force and firepower.
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 10/30/2017	TeslaWalker wrote: An Ode to the Elder Continent? Something new? Something hidden? Or something that isn't implemented yet? That's something you can make in the Empress' Court after being restored, if I recall correctly. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Kylestien Posts: 749 10/30/2017	Does anyone have any idea what it means by other boons? I'm wondering if I should try and get more tribute or if it's just flavor text. -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Waterpls Posts: 325 10/30/2017	20 Actions to collect 20 Favours Criminals, 4 to exchange them on Tribute, 1 to exchange Tribute to item. 62.5 / 25 = 2.5 EpA sounds very good. -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 10/30/2017	Vavakx Nonexus wrote: Kylestien wrote: Does anyone have any idea what it means by other boons? I'm wondering if I should try and get more tribute or if it's just flavor text. The boons consist of:[spoiler]20 Tribute for a walk with one of the Tiger Ministers, which gives you 62.5 Echoes, either as one item (Enigma, Night-Whisper or Primaeval Hint) or 5 Favours in High Places. 240 Tribute for getting to pick up another Tiger Minister as a companion (they give +10 to a single stat). There are four ministers total, and you get your first Minister for free just for visiting, so it's 720 Tribute to pick up the other 3.[/spoiler] Whoa! That is impressive. Thanks for the info! -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Kaigen Posts: 530 10/30/2017	Waterpls wrote: Is Obdurate Stallion card still matter of luck? Not sure if its profitable. Last I checked it's still a matter of luck and not particularly profitable (though useful if you are grinding Renown: Society, I suppose). -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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Jack Blackstone Posts: 124 10/30/2017	I hope my extravagantly titled tigress will help me with this expedition. I love her so much! -- http://echobazaar.failbettergames.com/Profile/Jack~Blackstone
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suinicide Posts: 2409 10/30/2017	You can collect the tigers one at a time. In addition, each tiger unlocks a new 62.5 item you can grind by trading tribute for the item on the elder continent. (Except the culture one, that is favours in high places) edited by suinicide on 10/30/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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gronostaj Posts: 403 10/30/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: I can't decide if I prefer the tiger with the cigar or the tiger with the monocle. i'm a dog person, but the cigar kitty is as irresistible as any cat could ever be -- Gronostaj (pl. Ermine), a decadent duellist of mysterious and indistinct gender. Seeker. Willing to die- but not of boredom. Open to all social actions, including the harmful ones. Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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