Kaijyuu
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10/25/2017
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I'd be perfectly happy with being given a set number of confessions and requiring fate for more. IE, getting rid of the notability grind entirely. Still a choice of which companions to get, still fate purchases for FBG, no encouraging tedious and harrowing grinds.
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Reused NPC
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10/25/2017
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All I know is, I can kiss my Laconic Prodigy goodbye for a good long while while these points of Scheme go elsewhere...
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Anne Auclair
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10/25/2017
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@Optimatum
@Kaijyuu
So the issue for you is more one of mechanical transparency? As in, the system requires you to estimate things out rather than being completely up front?
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Kaijyuu
Posts: 1047
10/25/2017
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My issue is that there's a fancy pants reward with two methods of obtaining it: a painful one, and a fate one. The fate one is fine; it's a method of monetization we all expect to some degree. It's the painful one that I have an issue with; I don't like it when games lock rewards behind self destructive behaviors.
...barring SMEN I suppose. Though that doesn't have "rewards". (aside from the method of removing unwanted lodgings and the seven fold knock, which both rub me the wrong way and don't feel are in the spirit of the story)
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Televangelist
Posts: 109
10/26/2017
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Another day, another flip of all my cards plus putting all my actions into the finishing school, without the amanuensis card to show for it. Guess I can't do a painful grind for Notability 8 if I can't even start the grind!
Cool holiday, guys.
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Sara Hysaro
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10/26/2017
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I kinda wish the Notability grind was a Making Waves grind instead. Same basic idea, but it doesn't lock out newbies or people unlucky with their cards. However, the previous Hallowmas effectively locked the highest levels from non-POSI characters too, so that's probably an element they're hoping to retain.
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Koenig
Posts: 466
10/26/2017
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I pity any players actively seeking to become a paramount presence who are also interested in Hallowmas; I sure know I feel conflicted about losing the notability I have been grinding for weeks.
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Waterpls
Posts: 324
10/26/2017
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Lance is practically replacement for Waxwail Knife. So developers actually care about new players. But in weird way, because that notability grind is too hard for most of newbie POSIs.
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
10/26/2017
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I would rather have had many fewer items, new art for them, and a less crappy grind. Or just nothing, if they're going to insist on a horrible grind for new things.
I say this as someone who specifically collects the thing they are making more of and was excited for this holiday for that reason in particular. I expect every new plot thing to be gated behind a progressively more expensive and painful grind, but when there's not even plot at the end of it, it's... just tiring. 29 BDR, just got back to 9, here I go again...
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
10/26/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
@Optimatum
@Kaijyuu
So the issue for you is more one of mechanical transparency? As in, the system requires you to estimate things out rather than being completely up front?
That's part of it. If FBG wants completionism here to require Fate, the design should reflect that, not pretend otherwise.
But it's also that I really don't think FBG intends to Fate-lock this. Every single past year of Hallowmas, both before and after the revision, has focused on rewarding hard work. Investing tons of time and effort into making social connections and maxing out Trust. Investing tons of time and effort into grinding MW and getting enough confessions for every companion. The other festivals reward hard work too, though in different ways. As such, suddenly turning around and making Hallowmas completion require Fate doesn't fit at all. Why turn a holiday rewarding time and effort into one where the only way to win is cheating to get ahead, so to speak? Why go from having a Fate alternative to having only one option?
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Tay1or
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10/26/2017
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MidnightVoyager wrote:
I would rather have had many fewer items, new art for them, and a less crappy grind. Or just nothing, if they're going to insist on a horrible grind for new things.
I say this as someone who specifically collects the thing they are making more of and was excited for this holiday for that reason in particular. I expect every new plot thing to be gated behind a progressively more expensive and painful grind, but when there's not even plot at the end of it, it's... just tiring. 29 BDR, just got back to 9, here I go again...
Bingo.
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Dudebro Pyro
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10/26/2017
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I'd like to add that, as an end-game player (28BDR), Notability 8 is just barely doable. I would have preferred 7, and 6 would have made the festival properly fun and enjoyable, but grinding up to 8 would give me enough confessions to get... most of the things needed. Assuming 2nd-week confessions are worth enough, I could even get the Lance, together with my two or three chosen companions, and the criminal record reduction. I'd have to forgo the rest of the companions, and Feducci's certificate thingy, but I can live with that (though there are players who would find even that compromise troubling).
The problem here is that where Notability 8 is just barely feasible, with a lot of grumbling, a full focus, and some hard compromises, Notability 9 is completely unfeasible. I'd have to give up a whole bunch of stuff - from my already carefully prioritised and trimmed down wishlist.
And after an entire day of card flipping, the Amanuensis is still not showing up. At this point, I'd have been better off going for 9 yesterday before cashing in.
So even if they wanted to make the festival a lot more difficult, I can accept that. But the lack of an easy way to restart the grind after cashing in means that you actually need to get to 9 - making even extreme end game players only able to get maybe 4-6 extra confessions during the entire festival! In other words, playing for a year or two, spending some actual money on BDR gear, and then grinding away like mad for the entire duration of the festival will, at best, give you 2-3 extra companions. Miss out on one of the above steps, and grinding will be so hard as to basically not be worth cashing it in for any extra confessions at all.
(Addendum: other seasonal events don't necessarily reward crazy grinding either, but that's because they don't have crazy grinds. That's a very big difference.
edited by Dudebro Pyro on 10/26/2017
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Nero Keller
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10/26/2017
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My personal problem with the Notability cost is that I'm saving up Notability to become a Paramount Presence. Certainly interferes with priorities…
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annalibertas
Posts: 161
10/26/2017
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Failbetter aren't idiots - they aren't going to make the game comically difficult. And when players get bitter and argumentative every time difficulty is revised upward, devs are faced with the choice of a game that can only remain static or get easier, or a community that's perpetually furious.
My problem is that up till this point, everything that's been hard has has a reason for being difficult, some kind of narrative justification for why it is that way (and also why particularly the notability grind is necessary instead of any of the other grinds, many of which are far more accessible to mid and early game players.) This time, I didn't get any kind of explanation for the change narratively, the cost just went up dramatically for, from an in game perspective, apparently no reason. That, combined with the fact that there was no warning from FBG so there was no way to prepare (I'm only at N3 right now because I just became a legendary charisma, which I absolutely would have put off doing if I'd known the hallowmas grind was going to change so dramatically) left a bad taste in my mouth.
I'm saying all this as someone who's happily spent months on near pointless grinds with zero complaints when they amounted to nothing and who's also thoroughly enjoyed all my fate purchases to date, so hopefully you can understand that my complaints aren't reacting to the difficulty of the grind, but to how it was handled and perhaps therefore not entirely write off what I have to say.
Also being dependent on the Amunesis showing up promptly sucks
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Teaspoon
Posts: 866
10/26/2017
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...if you want in-game justification, it is like this:
Our Mayor is a dratted so-and-so who finds the spectacle of all London distraught and anxious to be a most hilarious sight!
(Not saying this wouldn't have also happened if the DTC was Mayor, but then, she would not have been flogging off Dangerous weapons at a preposterous price, would she?)
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a Nice Friend
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10/26/2017
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Ideally the Temperance Campaigner's 60 favour item would have been the honey well. The whole thing.
I still want that well.
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Optimatum
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10/26/2017
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a Nice Friend wrote:
Ideally the Temperance Campaigner's 60 favour item would have been the honey well. The whole thing.
I still want that well.
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annalibertas
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10/26/2017
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Teaspoon wrote:
...if you want in-game justification, it is like this:
Our Mayor is a dratted so-and-so who finds the spectacle of all London distraught and anxious to be a most hilarious sight!
(Not saying this wouldn't have also happened if the DTC was Mayor, but then, she would not have been flogging off Dangerous weapons at a preposterous price, would she?)
Honestly if failbetter had put text to that effect in the game anywhere I would've thought the change was hilarious and been all for it
Optimatum wrote:
a Nice Friend wrote:
Ideally the Temperance Campaigner's 60 favour item would have been the honey well. The whole thing.
I still want that well.
Introducing the new home comfort: A Really, Really High Spacebat Ghost
It gives +77 A Connoisseur of Neathy Delights.
edited by Optimatum on 10/26/2017
Aw damn now I really wish DTC had won
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Teaspoon
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10/26/2017
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Who doesn't want that more than a lance!
*awaits the inevitable chorus of "I do!"'s.
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gronostaj
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10/26/2017
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Teaspoon wrote:
(Not saying this wouldn't have also happened if the DTC was Mayor, but then, she would not have been flogging off Dangerous weapons at a preposterous price, would she?)
why not? who wouldn't want a Replica of DTC's Shoe For Slapping Alcoholics With (+20 dangerous, +2 respectable)
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