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Returning to Court- Laureate Among Poets: A Guide

Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 10/19/2017	The interesting thing is that Inspiration 24 is 300CP, and 34 is 595CP. So before being banished, the 34-inspiration works give double the rewards of 24-inspiration works. I find it very curious that this isn't the case here - and it also means that it's not actually wasteful to write two 24-inspiration works for 4 Fine Piece even if you only need 3 FP points, since you'd have expended the same amount of actions on the 34-inspiration work anyway. Using this fact, we can calculate that 150 24-inspiration works are needed to reach PL20 (sum from 3 to 12, multiplied by 2). Assuming 10 inspiration per action (please correct me if this isn't accurate once you get unbanished - I still haven't been banished in the first place), and without taking into account rare successes, that's 4,500 actions. Using the 15-inspiration option that messes with your quirks (again, assuming that doesn't change after you get banished), it's 3,000 actions. So overall, about a month's grind or so. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/30/2017	gronostaj wrote: i highly doubt anyone in the real world considers taking advantage of power imbalances in a professional relationship is a "normative behaviour". Considering the recent high-profile revelations of the systematic abuse and predation of vulnerable performers rife within the entertainment industry... yeah, clearly some powerful people do regard that as business as usual. gronostaj wrote: knocking back bottles of laudanum doesn't have a "we don't support doing drugs in real life btw" caveat on it You mean the Less than Laudable Laudanum Habit, which details the side effects of addiction, constipation, jaundice, and, eventually, death? -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/31/2017	gronostaj wrote: let me just note that while you're generally right, self-censorship is a thing also, and has been a thing for as long as books were being written and art was created; not just on grounds of morality, but politics or religion also. Well, let me simply say that I don't think Failbetter are changing this storylet because of fear of punishment, political repercussions, or divine retribution - they just thought the new version was better. gronostaj wrote: telling an immoral story while making sure the narrative hammers the point of "this is bad! this is bad!" is crude storytelling, lacking in subtlety and frankly, insulting to the consumer's intelligence. I actually think it a bit of an insult to my intelligence that that's what you thought I was proposing. Is there no middle ground between "players encouraged to indulge in most vile behaviour" and "hamfisted morality story for particularly dim children"? gronostaj wrote: and yet so many overuse them. flippant opiate use, to use dov's words, causes real harm. just look at the medical drugs misuse statistics in USA. You asked why abusing drugs didn't come with penalties; I pointed out that it did; now you're implying that people who use those drugs without taking them in excess should be punished too? Surely that would be hammering the point home in a crude, unsubtle way! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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dov Posts: 2580 10/30/2017	gronostaj wrote: I will always find these kinds corrections a little funny; you're allowed to be a murderer and thief and sometimes, even a cannibal, but the line is drawn at being unprofessional. The difference is that when presented with an option to commit murder it's unambiguously an immoral act in a fictional world. No one in the real world sees this as a normative behaviour, so it's harmless in a fictional setting. In contrast, presenting a scenario in which a producer sees himself as entitles to "indulge" with their lead performer and presenting it as a joke is quite different. Far too many in the real world do see this as a normative behaviour, and in the real world this causes real harm. There's no problem in presenting a story which explores immoral behaviours. If the idea was to show this as a bad thing your character might choose to do, that would be different. But this was evidently not FBG's intent here. It was meant to be a story option about gaining Inspired by interacting with your Lead, and for humour purposes they chose a harmful behaviour presented flippantly. As they said (in the quote I've provided), treating it as such can be seen to reinforce such harmful norms, which was not their intent. The simplest solution was to keep the mechanics, but change to text to be respectful. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/31/2017	"Art for life's sake" is more my style. Nothing can exist entirely for itself - no man is an island, and all that jazz. Art might have a million purposes, but it cannot - by very definition - have none at all. (Also, those who try to create purposeless art often end up simply being dull - either diving into pits of technical detail or sitting around competing to see who can care about morality the least. Snoozefest.) In this case, I was simply amused that you seemed to think that bad behaviour being discouraged was such an outré notion - especially when the game already has a system by which criminals can be arrested, boors snubbed, and so forth. (Obviously those systems being deeply imperfect is a wealth of stories in itself, but they do exist!) Regardin' the laudanum, my point was that the reason laudanum doesn't need a disclaimer is that the effects of abusing it are (more or less) realistically portrayed. Failbetter don't need to explicitly tell the audience that drugs are dangerous when that's already embedded into the game itself, with the aforementioned constipation and death. And who wants to die constipated? Not me! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Teaspoon Posts: 866 10/30/2017	I am puzzled why anyone should find this a subject of vexation. Failbetter changed some text, which they're perfectly entitled to do, because they preferred it that way. What more needs to be said? -- Truth lies at the bottom of a well. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Alt%20Ern
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/30/2017	I mean, disincentivising immoral behaviour is quite literally one of the foundations of civil society. And, for that matter, opiates are a legitimate medical solution that can be effectively applied with care and moderation. But, more than that... if you're going to have a story that's all about producing performances, released at the same time as a number of entertainment producers are revealed to have been taking advantage of their subordinates to a sickening degree, editing any content that suggests it's rewarding the player for taking advantage of their subordinates - probably a good idea! gronostaj wrote: just because tiny percentage of populace has enough power to hush up even the most vile of acts, doesn't mean they're acceptable by most, or even by the many. Something can be the norm in one community, and not in another. Otherwise, we wouldn't even need words like "standards" because we'd all hold identical values. The central point of institutional abuse is that behaviour that would be questioned elsewhere becomes normalised in a given circle. edited by Sir Frederick on 10/31/2017 -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Kaigen Posts: 530 10/21/2017	Good point about the Honey and Scandal options for Inspired. Depending on what the actual rare success chances are on the various actions, I think the Scandal option is probably a wash unless you're unloading all your Scandal on an alt. If we assume a reciprocal back and forth, it'll take 6 actions to relieve the Scandal you get composing a 24-Inspired work. Assuming no rare successes, that puts the Bohemian creator 4 actions ahead of the cloistered, but it doesn't take many rare successes to eat into that small margin. The honey option, on the other hand, is a really good deal. You finish a 24-Inspired work in 15 actions instead of 30 (ignoring rare successes) at a cost of 7.5 echoes worth of honey, and you can easily make more than that with 15 spare actions. Grinding up the honey is a potential issue if you don't have a stockpile, but calling in Bohemian favours can provide you with a nice supply (and is almost certainly a better use of favours than spending them directly on Inspired). -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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Amsfield Posts: 176 11/2/2017	Dammit. I can't believe I managed to miss an argument about Art, Philosophy, Morality and Censorship in which I basically disagree with and see the merit of literally everyone's arguments! It's like finding out you you didn't turn up to you're own surprise party. -- Amsfield: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Amsfield A devotee of pleasures intellectual and fleshy. Always fabulously masked. Honoria Kastern: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Honoria%20Kastern A hunter, a shooter and a fisher. Also a patriotic busy body. Mildly corrupted. Maiser: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maiser A young firebrand of obviously criminal intent. Venshik: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Venshik Not a nice person. Asmeria: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Asmeria Quiet, thoughtful and possibly mad. Excellent listener though. Favours grey.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 11/5/2017	So what I'm getting from this is that Poet Laureate is the Persausive equivalent of Courier's Footprint. A long grind requiring increasing amounts of items/art, increasing stats needed for each additional level, rare success giving additional progress at lower cost. They both even end with the relevant quality at 21. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/30/2017	John Moose wrote: Depicting immoral behaviour in a work of fiction is not an endorsement of said behaviour. No, not even in the absence of a flashing text saying "KIDS DON'T DO THIS AT HOME". If someone sees immoral behaviour in a work of fiction and adjusts their values to allow for that behaviour, the solution is to treat the person with a thin grasp on reality, not to censor the work. Censorship implies an imposition by an outside authority. Changing one's work on one's own volition is simply a question of taste. Also, game mechanics play a role here - having the immoral behaviour be rewarded by the game does rather suggest an endorsement. gronostaj wrote: in fact, i'd say people's reactions to the news of abuse rather prove that general populace has no trouble recognising it as an immoral behaviour And the fact that it persisted for so many decades, with prior reports being ignored or hushed up, suggests that there are many that hold to the norm that such behaviour is perfectly acceptable, or at least not worth disrupting the status quo over. edited by Sir Frederick on 10/30/2017 -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Manu Traveler Posts: 29 4/14/2018	Grind completed, laurels won. It is a pity that this isn't even a possible condition to get London's Blood (just as SotC 21 is for London's Nerves). It would be more fitting than Committed, I think. edited by Manu Traveler on 4/14/2018 -- Manu Traveler, the inquisitive professor Red Christine, the conflicted revolutionary Tyler Glen, God's mad disciple - GONE NORTH A Morel, the unrepentant heartbreaker Omphale the Magnificent, the titanic crossdresser
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Daedalus_Falk Posts: 234 10/24/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote: Old and new are both available, happily! Well, except the Operas. You mean to tell me that I can't immediately get exiled again by putting Bell and Candle back on? UNTHINKABLE!!! -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Daedalus_Falk ---- For I was hungry, and you gave me rats. I was thirsty, and you gave me rats. I was naked, and you gave me rats. The rodents were gathered together, the cats slept in the Sun’s blindness, and the rats rose like the Moon, in the light at the edge of the cheese.
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dov Posts: 2580 10/30/2017	gronostaj wrote: dov wrote: Far too many in the real world do see this as a normative behaviour, and in the real world this causes real harm. i highly doubt anyone in the real world considers taking advantage of power imbalances in a professional relationship is a "normative behaviour" Have you seen the news and updates from Hollywood and the larger entertainment industry in the past few weeks? Many of the stories of abuse coming forward (which have been going on for decades) are precisely because many people in a position of power (note: I didn't say most people) indeed see this as acceptable behaviour for them. It's entitlement by those in power over others. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 10/30/2017	The new text does seem to be a bit of an overcorrection. It goes to great lengths to emphasize how equal your character and the lead are, to the point of seeming a bit silly. If FBG was concerned the previous text implied your character's actions were somehow acceptable, then I understand the change fully, though. I just filed it away as one of the many less than virtuous acts you can perform in the game. edited by Kaijyuu on 10/30/2017 -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Kloxe Posts: 48 10/30/2017	Ooh, I'm very glad to hear that the text for The Lead has changed. It had left me feeling a bit uncomfortable, especially as of late. Thanks, guys! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kloxe
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gronostaj Posts: 403 10/30/2017	I will always find these kinds corrections a little funny; you're allowed to be a murderer and thief and sometimes, even a cannibal, but the line is drawn at being unprofessional. -- Gronostaj (pl. Ermine), a decadent duellist of mysterious and indistinct gender. Seeker. Willing to die- but not of boredom. Open to all social actions, including the harmful ones. Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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dov Posts: 2580 10/30/2017	Reinol von Lorica wrote: What does the old text imply again? I vaguely recall having it to do with seduction but not much else. The old text was not just about seduction, but about abusing your position as the producer to seduce the lead performer, seeing it as your entitled right. It included some choice text like: "Indulge yourself with the lead" "Well, why not? It's almost expected of you. A tradition. Yes, that's it." "Private rehearsals seasoned with passionate glances and indecorous thoughts."" "the prerogatives of genius" FBG have agreed this doesn't come out right ("the gag isn't worth the norms it could be seen as reinforcing"), and have changed it so you increase Inspired by exchanging ideas with you lead, as two professional peers. Only the text has changed. Mechanically this behaves exactly as before (including the rare success). -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 10/29/2017	Those avoiding The Lead due to finding it distasteful might note the text has changed. Apologies if this was posted before, I skimmed but did not see it. -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 10/30/2017	Aww, the new text doesn't fit my character at all, unlike the previous text. I can certainly understand the desire for a less... opportunist option though. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 10/30/2017	The old text fit Caroline better, but the new text fits her perfectly well. I suspect fewer people will be turned off by the new text than old. -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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John Moose Posts: 276 10/30/2017	(Sorry if this feels like a gang up. I keep writing these only to discover gronostaj has written one just as I'm about to click "send", and am loathe to let all that typing go to waste. :p Thanks for engaging - I find this an interesting topic.) Every kind of behaviour we feel is abominable has tons of people thinking it's ok, at least if they do it. This is true for murder, theft and blackmail as much as it is for the much less serious behaviour depicted here. Thank you for the correction, it's true that this can't be considered censorship. And I suppose I would have just chuffed and went about my day if the reason had been "we went over it and it's icky and we wanted to change it, because it's not to our taste anymore." But the quote seemed to state the reason was fear of "reinforcing norms", which is... Well, apologies for being repetitive, but it's the "Manson did Columbine" logic at work again, frankly. I don't think that road leads anywhere constructive. Immoral options don't need to be removed from the game out of fear of people taking a work of fiction as some kind of moral guidance.
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John Moose Posts: 276 10/31/2017	"Due to the constipation often produced by the consumption of opium, it was one of the most effective treatments for cholera, dysentery, and diarrhea." Connecting this to the old thread about "how does the Bazaar's plumbing work, exactly", laudanum's prevalence and ease-of-access at the Bazaar's markets starts to make a whole lot of sense. "This liquid stops the humans from.... You know."
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 10/21/2017	I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but for the "Submit your work for consideration" storylet, the Persuasive requirement also rises along with A Fine Piece, by about 10 levels each time. If my math is correct (and I'll be honest, math has never been my strong suit), getting the 20th point of A Poet-Laureate will require Persuasive 300. -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Koenig Posts: 466 10/21/2017	Jolanda Swan wrote: Well this could very well be a Courier's Footrpint grind, the final stages all but unobtainable without moods and previous grinds in place (i.e goats). I hope that, unlike Footrpint, a Poet Laureate gets something for their trouble. I get why in the Footprint the wounds and screams are their own reward but a Poet Laureate should have something magnificent to go with the title. Probably disturbing, too. But magnificent for sure. Speaking as a Courier (Apologies for the smell of singed hair about me), I would like to see both the Courier's Footprint and Laurete Among Poets get some kind of reward storylet or opportunity card. For these massive end game grinds, I feel it is only right that the player get something to experience that acknowledges the lengths they have gone to and the heights (and depths) they have reached here in the Neath. Although, At least in the case of the Footprint it was already integrated into one of the options for "London's Nerves", so perhaps a Laurete could get a similar action added to "London's Blood"? -- Koenig: Extraordinary. Invisible. Shattering. Legendary.
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Anakhi Posts: 5 10/22/2017	Hi there, fellow poets. Cycling through 24-inspired songs (or other 24-insp. projects with the honey-option) works like a charm for me; 17 APC (actions per cycle, including the choice of your project and the start of a new cycle) for 2 CP of FP brings us to a rather quick way of obtaining PL-status (after all, what are 140-150 cycles for a qualified Neather?). You can always dump your moon-pearls at the Bazaar and buy stockpiles of prisoner's' honey (1.5k of moon-pearls worth 15 echoes; 375 honey worth 15 echoes; 15 echoes/1.5k pearls as a bonus), which leads us to the point of having 15 Echoes per 17 Actions, or roughly 0.88 EPA. Not even close to the best EPA-cycles, but hey - who needs Echoes if you can become the biggest poet of the Neath? Also, those pearls are quite beautiful when measured in thousands. And don't forget to factor in the rare success of honey-to-inspired conversion when you lose no honey and gain one sapphire. Meager 0.12 Echo on a 10 percent (rough estimate) basis, but it still matters on the long run. By the way, Persuasive stat level requirements change for higher PL-levels, but the check difficulty remains the same; 94% success chance with Persuasive 237 for PL 1, 2 and 3. Anyone else noticed this? I wonder about higher levels of PL; if the check stays the same, the stat-cap for it might be considerably lower than 300 (or even 290? 120 for PL3; might as well be 290 for PL20). Another rough estimate: if we need 150 cycles at 17 APC (and 21 action to become PL - 20 to cache in FP for PL-levels, twenty-first to obtain status), we need only 2571 actions for the whole grind, bringing us ~2.24k Echoes in the process (with no rare successes on our way). Not the worst/longest grind in the Neath, all things considered, and some of the new options are quite hillarious. -- Anakhi - despite his name, has nothing to do with so called "anakhists". Well, more or less. Gladly accept any invitations and attend salons. Being a Crooked Cross has its benefits.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 10/20/2017	Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote: Winthropx wrote: There are two new options for both poem and novel works. Just finished my poem and there were actually three new options - a zailing poem, an Elder Continent poem, and a poem based on my artistic school (in this case, the Nocturnals). If all the schools are included, that's seven new poems! suinicide wrote: Same for novels! Omigawd, your artistic school seriously plays a role?! ^_^ That's fantastic!! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/20/2017	Winthropx wrote: There are two new options for both poem and novel works. Just finished my poem and there were actually three new options - a zailing poem, an Elder Continent poem, and a poem based on my artistic school (in this case, the Nocturnals). If all the schools are included, that's seven new poems! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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dov Posts: 2580 11/16/2017	Jolanda Swan wrote: So... you can stockpile fine works, and deliver one by one in the end. Are we sure about that? I would hate to gather 300 fine works and then give them up to achieve one level of Poet Laureate. That's how it's supposed to work, yes. But I wouldn't recommend grinding 300+ "A Fine Piece" anyway, since the occasional rare success when submitting your work for review can give you quite a few AFP by itself. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 3/16/2018	Not having an item attached at the end of the grind was, in my opinion, a blunder. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 3/18/2018	I too am now a Poet-Laureate. What a spectacularly useless achievement. Seriously, if my name is in the papers for weeks, you'd think I'd at least get some MW. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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surreyjack Posts: 105 11/11/2017	I did the thing! -- My paramount presence, poet laurate, correspondent, main : http://fallenlondon.com/profile/surreyjack
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dov Posts: 2580 11/14/2017	Kaijyuu wrote: mood cards are easy enough to come by (I get 3-4 every month). I get 2-3 of them a year :-( -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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dov Posts: 2580 11/15/2017	Drake Dynamo wrote: advancing the Poet-Laureate quality does not simply subtract the requisite points of a Fine Piece- it zeros it (I learned this the hard way, having 7 points when I needed 6). An update: This was a bug (the regular success/failure didn't actually remove the "A Fine Piece" quality, but it reduced one more than it should have). According to FBG this should now be fixed - regular success/failure in advancing "A Poet-Laureate" should only cost you as many "A Fine Piece" as the option's requirements state (formula = (5 + current "A Poet-Laureate" level) ). And there's still the rare success in which you might either lose or gain a few levels of "A Fine Piece" instead - full range/formula to be confirmed (observed values: loss of 0-4, gain of 0-5). -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Tay1or Posts: 163 11/11/2017	The short descriptions of the new works after you publish them are pretty funny! Someone mentioned upfront that we need a category for our publications in the inventory, and I think that's a cool idea-- edited by Tay1or on 11/11/2017
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dov Posts: 2580 11/5/2017	Optimatum wrote: So what I'm getting from this is that Poet Laureate is the Persausive equivalent of Courier's Footprint. A long grind requiring increasing amounts of items/art, increasing stats needed for each additional level, rare success giving additional progress at lower cost. They both even end with the relevant quality at 21. It seems so. But besides the increasing Persuasive challenge, is there an actual cost to increasing A Poet Laureate? Getting to a Courier's Footprint is not just long and difficult, but also incredibly expensive. Creating works at Court actually pays OK on its own. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/3/2017	Just reached A Poet-Laureate 18. Either my initial math was a tad off or FBG have made some adjustments since then, but it seems becoming Poet-Laureate will require Persuasive 290 rather than 300. Conveniently I have both Mood cards at the ready to help be obtain the final two points to become one, once I've rebuilt enough A Fine Piece. -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/3/2017	The result text was interesting, and I personally enjoyed it; I posted it here (didn't want to double post in this thread, haha). No rewards other than the text and quality, however. I emailed support to make sure that was intentional, though, as it did feel a bit odd that there was nothing else. -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 1/29/2018	You guys had me buy the Blemmigan affair and I must say I loved it. Onwards, to more masterpieces! -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Rylan Singh Posts: 18 6/12/2018	Not to necro a thread, and I apologize, but I started the grind back in January for the PL. Then once I capped that I had to stop that portion in March, grind my Society to 40, and my notability to 15. I am now, FINALLY, a Poet-Laureate. It got me nothing and I knew that was coming, but by Salt, I did it and I can finally add my name to the list. -- Rylan Singh: the Tenhigh Broker http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Rylan%20Singh The candles are consuming. The candles do not exist. The Tenhigh Broker will not exist. The Tenhigh Broker has a hunger. The Tenhigh Broker does not have a hunger.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 6/14/2018	Congratulations! I must say the Carnelian ballet option has made the grind even better as you built tribute and work towards yet another insane goal! -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Skinnyman Posts: 2133 3/14/2018	This is the only high-end achievement that isn't restricted on Destiny, affiliation, profession. But missing any of those requires some extra effort on your behalf plus a Mood card. Hat Mood +30 Clothing +10 Gloves +8 Weapon +10 Boots +5 Companion: +10 Affiliation +1 (Membership of God's Editors) Transport +8 (Soc L40 item) Home Comfort +8 (Church L40 item) These is the lowest high point any player can achieve if there aren't any RP restriction! Thing is, they sum up exactly +90. -- ESs items and quality requirements sheet. Please check if there are errors or if something is missing Achievement list if you're feeling bored! I am accepting Plant battles, Neath's Mysteries card, Starveling Cats and boxed cats. No suppers, no second chances gain and no need to cure my menaces!
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 3/25/2018	Apparently it never actually zeroed AFP - it just subtracted one more than required. Fortunately it's fixed now. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Hotshot Blackburn Posts: 110 3/27/2018	Add another one to the list of Poet-Laureates. Who know the gateway to fame and fortune among London's artistic societies was a a lot of ballets about tigers? -- Hotshot Blackburn: Messidor, Aspirant to the Calendar Council. Paramount Presence. Seeker of the Name. A firm believer in kindness, solidarity, and sufficient use of force and firepower.
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Frenjamin Banklin Posts: 49 3/31/2018	the long works come in handy a few times, you can use a patriotic adventure to give to Mr. Sacks, and the odes to the elder continent can be exchanges for tribute, albeit less efficiently than poems.
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The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary Posts: 26 10/20/2017	No, not a single action in the process gives Renown, those are requirements
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 10/20/2017	Mycologenes have a ballet! Sure to be exciting. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/20/2017	Pretty damn cool! I have put my Nocturnal Rhapsody on my mantel - it's rather sweet! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/24/2017	Don't finishing a work and submitting it to the committee both generate Making Waves? I know my MW is much higher than usual after a few publications. -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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dov Posts: 2580 10/23/2017	Waterpls wrote: >>>What's the best option for gaining Inspired? As far as I can tell it's The Bohemians Maybe The Lead. No Scandal, but rare success is only +15 Inpsired. 13.6 per action. "The Lead" is... problematic. The Inspired gain is solid, but the text is off putting enough that I really don't like to use the option. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Teaspoon Posts: 866 10/31/2017	I will no doubt regret asking this, but when, pray, is constipation a problem for my FL character? Or is this something you have to abuse it very heavily to find out? -- Truth lies at the bottom of a well. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Alt%20Ern
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John Moose Posts: 276 10/30/2017	Depicting immoral behaviour in a work of fiction is not an endorsement of said behaviour. No, not even in the absence of a flashing text saying "KIDS DON'T DO THIS AT HOME". If someone sees immoral behaviour in a work of fiction and adjusts their values to allow for that behaviour, the solution is to treat the person with a thin grasp on reality, not to censor the work. Doom and Marilyn Manson didn't cause school shootings, and sex as a part of interpersonal power-politics will go on happening with its absence or presence in written fiction having as much effect on this as spitting in an ocean has on the surface level. Quality control and updating content that no longer reaches a new standard is great, but please do that to improve the artistic quality of the content, not to soften content because it shows messy and wrong behaviour from messy and wrong creatures known as humans. Fallen London is not a bulwark or outstanding moral fibre, it's a more anarchic version of Victorian England. Besides knife-waving killers and cannibal gods, there's the humdrum everyday evil that comes from normal people not taking a moment to think how their actions impact others. This is also an important part of the human condition, please don't feel pressured to hush it up because someone migth have encountered it in their real life. Rather, it deserves stories dedicated entirely to it - like some beautiful ES'es have been. No one with half a brain cell could ever honestly imagine FBG endorsing taking advantage of an employee, and there's no reason to pander to people with less than half a brain cell. /rant
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xKiv Posts: 846 11/5/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Patience. We're not done with the court yet. But I have done the court ... (it's an option for progress towards becoming PosI ...) -- https://www.fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/xKiv - a witchful, percussive, dangermous and shadowry scholar of coexplodence, hopsidirean, and walker of fallen kitties.
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Daedalus_Falk Posts: 234 10/25/2017	I had another question, actually. Does anyone know if you can (assuming you so desire) unlock "Attend to Matters of Romance" again (by selling the Memento of Passion) after your return to court? I ask because if so, then people who want Hedonist 15 can be at last delivered from their suffering: the options on the card are a way to grind Hedonist up to 15 via "Drowning prudence in passion" while still making a decent profit. Plus, it would mean you can chase the Wit and the Beauty again if you really want. edited by Daedalus_Falk on 10/25/2017 -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Daedalus_Falk ---- For I was hungry, and you gave me rats. I was thirsty, and you gave me rats. I was naked, and you gave me rats. The rodents were gathered together, the cats slept in the Sun’s blindness, and the rats rose like the Moon, in the light at the edge of the cheese.
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Verity Luminesence Posts: 5 10/25/2017	idyl wrote: I just wanted to point out that there is a rare success possible when turning in your A Fine Piece to raise Poet Laureate. The first example: https://i.redd.it/ob5zb6s510tz.png They lost 3/6 AFP. The second example is my own: https://imgur.com/io3y9NL I lost 0/10 AFP. So, not only is there a chance of rare success, but there's also a range of how much AFP you lose. Currently it looks like 0-50% (Maybe 0% or 50%?). Obviously more results/data is needed, so if this happens to you post the information please. I just got my first rare success when turning in my work to raise Poet Laureate - and it actually increased my AFP by one - meaning that I could then resubmit immediately afterwards for the next level. Unfortunately, I didn't think to take pictorial evidence. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/VeritySPACESYMBOLLuminesence Happy to consider all invitations.
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/24/2017	Old and new are both available, happily! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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gronostaj Posts: 403 10/30/2017	dov wrote: Far too many in the real world do see this as a normative behaviour, and in the real world this causes real harm. i highly doubt anyone in the real world considers taking advantage of power imbalances in a professional relationship is a "normative behaviour". i've always read the lead option as just an example of classic bohemian vice, similar to poets ruining their marriage to go on a roadtrip with their much younger lover, artists entering ill-advised relationships with their models, or even plain drug indulgence. Since knocking back bottles of laudanum doesn't have a "we don't support doing drugs in real life btw" caveat on it, likely because failbetter knows they can trust the players to know it's not a good life choice all by themselves, i'm not sure why would they not trust players to recognize some other choices as bad or immoral on their own. The simplest solution was to keep the mechanics, but change to text to be respectful. oh, of course, i'm not complaining that they've changed the option here; if it came off as whinging, it wasn't my intention. if they feel the text doesn't convey their intent very well, it is for them to change it, and maybe it's good they did, as i've noticed some people said the option made them uncomfortable. however, in the context of some other things you're permitted to do in-game, it is still quite funny to me -- Gronostaj (pl. Ermine), a decadent duellist of mysterious and indistinct gender. Seeker. Willing to die- but not of boredom. Open to all social actions, including the harmful ones. Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 10/30/2017	The old text is a bit unfortunate when it comes to failure (the lead sulking and complaining that they are cast for bedding talents), too. If nothing else, the new text may potentially implies your masterpieces are never made sober :P -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 10/29/2017	You can do a term in the Foreign Office and play an option at the end of the cycle to set your Imperial Legitimacy up to 100 again. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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dov Posts: 2580 10/25/2017	Daedalus_Falk wrote: I had another question, actually. Does anyone know if you can (assuming you so desire) unlock "Attend to Matters of Romance" again (by selling the Memento of Passion) after your return to court? I can confirm that "Attend to Matters of Romance" is available for those who were restored to the Court (as long as they have no Memento of Passion, which is the only lock on the storylet). I haven't tried to use this to increase Fascinating (yet) to confirm whether interacting with the Wit and/or Beauty works as before. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Reinol von Lorica Posts: 102 10/30/2017	What does the old text imply again? I vaguely recall having it to do with seduction but not much else. And sadly, the Lead has cost me many an Austere. And the only repeatable option I know off is rather lacking in the Inspiration department. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Reinol%20von%20Lorica -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Reinol%20von%20Lorica
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/8/2017	Waterpls wrote: Is anybody got official answer on the matter? Not explicitly, though looking back over it all I think Anne may possibly be onto something. Cash told me in a support email, paraphrasing, "that's all there is to the content, for now." And in the Dilmun Club thread, Absintheuse did mention to "expect to see a few updates throughout 2018." Though that could've just been about the Dilmun Club specifically, rather than the FLR projects as a whole. ...although, of course, a part of me thinks I might just be reading too far into it all. I can't help it, I would absolutely love a further update to the Court. :P Edit: Wait, and I did think it was strange how, before being banished, one was working towards becoming Imperial Artist-in-Residence; yet upon returning to the Court one works to be named Poet-Laureate. Maybe becoming a Poet-Laureate is a step towards (eventually) claiming the Imperial Artist-in-Residence position? edited by Alice Lutwidge on 11/8/2017 -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Tay1or Posts: 163 11/8/2017	Oh boy, I've got Courier's Footprint, but I don't see any way that I will ever have Persuasive 290 looking over the Best in Slot list. I think I'll just do one of each of the new poems and novels to have them on my page.
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Koenig Posts: 466 11/9/2017	Does putting to zee erase your current "A fine piece" quality? I am planning a certain trip with the Dilam club, and I would prefer not to waste my progress in the court. -- Koenig: Extraordinary. Invisible. Shattering. Legendary.
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 11/9/2017	Koenig wrote: Does putting to zee erase your current "A fine piece" quality? I am planning a certain trip with the Dilam club, and I would prefer not to waste my progress in the court. I have been to Zee while progressing toward Poet Laureate, and noticed no change in my "Fine Piece" level. But going to Zee does zero your "Inspired" quality, so bear that in mind if you go voyaging. -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 11/9/2017	The biggest barrier to 290 is the renown 40 items. Those aren't hard to get; they just take a lot of time if you're starting from low renown. I just checked and you get exactly 290 persuasive from bazaar gear, renown 40 items, a mood, and starting POSI items. You don't need a salon, spouse, parthenaeum club, overcapping, or destiny. A newspaper or membership in god's editors will get your the last point. edited by Kaijyuu on 11/9/2017 -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 11/9/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: What's the rush? Why do the Court Poet climb when you don't need the resources? Well, besides wanting to read the new text. I need to corner the market of fine undergarments so I can begin producing lesser undergarments for the less fortunate (but no lesser) members of society. Blemmigans, for instance. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Tay1or Posts: 163 11/9/2017	The new novels and poems are in addition to the old ones--they are still available! So happy--I got kicked out before doing all six on my main and a couple alts, and I regretted it. Now I can publish them all.
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/10/2017	Tay1or wrote: I've been meaning to start on renown. I'll think about this again once I'm closer... A humble suggestion, but if you haven't done so already, you could go ahead and build up your A Poet-Laureate quality to your current limit, and then preemptively build up enough Fine Piece for the next level. Then later on, once you can get your Persuasive high enough to finish it, at least some of the grind will already be out of the way. That was my initial plan, before I drew a Mood card. edited by Alice Lutwidge on 11/10/2017 -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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gronostaj Posts: 403 10/30/2017	dov wrote: Have you seen the news and updates from Hollywood and the larger entertainment industry in the past few weeks? calling it "normative behaviour" because rich people with good lawyers get away with it is like calling thievery a "normative behaviour" because there are thriving shoplifting communities here and there. in fact, i'd say people's reactions to the news of abuse rather prove that general populace has no trouble recognising it as an immoral behaviour -- Gronostaj (pl. Ermine), a decadent duellist of mysterious and indistinct gender. Seeker. Willing to die- but not of boredom. Open to all social actions, including the harmful ones. Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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Reinol von Lorica Posts: 102 10/31/2017	I'm quite surprised to see that my humble question had stoked this string of comments. Not that I'm complaining of course, just surprised. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Reinol%20von%20Lorica
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John Moose Posts: 276 10/31/2017	The forum's moods are fickle, but we got to Neathy constipation so all's well that ends well.
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Bitty Posts: 234 10/23/2017	dov wrote: Waterpls wrote: >>>What's the best option for gaining Inspired? As far as I can tell it's The Bohemians Maybe The Lead. No Scandal, but rare success is only +15 Inpsired. 13.6 per action. "The Lead" is... problematic. The Inspired gain is solid, but the text is off putting enough that I really don't like to use the option. Yeah same, does anyone have an idea of what some other good ones are?
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Kaigen Posts: 530 10/23/2017	Bitty wrote: Yeah same, does anyone have an idea of what some other good ones are? Basically it's The Bohemians if you don't mind having to stop to dump Scandal periodically, or Composition: The high path if you're working on a musical piece and have honey to spare. -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 10/21/2017	I think it helps, though, that the process of turning in your "Fine Piece" points for Laureate points also generates Making Waves. -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Daedalus_Falk Posts: 234 10/24/2017	I was wondering, actually - when you return to the court, do you have the options to re-complete older works if you desire (e.g. write a Gothic Romance)? Or is it all-new content? I ask because it has a bearing on whether I spend the time grinding out the stories now, or just do it after Port Carnelian. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Daedalus_Falk ---- For I was hungry, and you gave me rats. I was thirsty, and you gave me rats. I was naked, and you gave me rats. The rodents were gathered together, the cats slept in the Sun’s blindness, and the rats rose like the Moon, in the light at the edge of the cheese.
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Anakhi Posts: 5 10/24/2017	Let's bring more math to the slaughter, shall we? (24 + 1) * 12 = 300 CP Inspired needed to finish 24-Inspired work. 300 CP / 20 CP-gain (honey) = 15 A + 15 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 15/17 = 0.88 EPA. 300 CP / 10 CP-gain (nature) = 30 A + 30 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 30/32 = 0.93-0.94 EPA. 300 CP / 15 CP-gain (lead) = 20 A + 30 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 30/22 = 1.36 EPA. To compare: AotB = 20 (mourning candles) + 3 (plaques) Echoes per 14 actions (13 for CP, 1 for claiming reward). 23/14 = 1.64 EPA. One thing to consider: full grind through 10CP-options nets you 30 Echoes and takes away 32 Actions. In comparison, full grind of honey-option AND one cycle of AotB nets you 15 + 23 Echoes and takes away the same 32 Actions (17 for Court, 14 for AotB, and this one little guy to return to the Court if you really want to cycle through both grinds side-by-side). 0.93-0.94 EPA VS 38/32 = 1.18-1.19 EPA. Another thing to consider: rare successes occur on a (roughly) same basis, no matter what option you choose. And while it might be tempting to say that rare Nature-success brings you 2 Actions worth of Inspired, the same rare success on honey/lead brings you additional goods (0.24 Echoes worth for lead; 0.12 Echoes + 0.5 Echoes worth of honey not wasted for composition). So, even if you're the Mythical RNGesus of the Neath, it's still more profitable to grind lead/honey. Thus, it's either lead-grind (for EPA and decency) or honey-grind (for speed) for me; no 10 CP-option is really worth it in terms of echoes/actions (although for a completionist-Neather it's really a must to go through every piece of work possible, and honey/lead limit you to a rather weak amount of options - no cute films or astounding fashions for an optimal grinder, sorry). edited by Anakhi on 10/24/2017 -- Anakhi - despite his name, has nothing to do with so called "anakhists". Well, more or less. Gladly accept any invitations and attend salons. Being a Crooked Cross has its benefits.
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Waterpls Posts: 326 10/22/2017	>>>You can always dump your moon-pearls at the Bazaar and buy stockpiles of prisoner's' honey Buying anything at Bazaar is generally bad idea, except when there is no other decent sources. I personally stick to The Lead option. Maybe not as fast (20 actions to get 24 inspired), but EpA is decent. Not sure which is better: moonpearls or jade. Need more research on converting absurd amount of them into something more useful. edited by Waterpls on 10/22/2017 -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Kaigen Posts: 530 10/23/2017	A Rousing Hymn gives you Foxfire Candle Stubs, which can be exchanged in bulk for Rostygold, along with a Mystery of the Elder Continent and a Church Favour, from a card drawn in Spite. Handy if you're like me and frequently pour Rostygold into funding comedic performances from the Young Stags and zee trips. -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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Anakhi Posts: 5 10/23/2017	Oh, and one of the new songs gives you rostygold, not pearls/stubs. In case you don't like waiting for opportunities and want your (rosty)gold here and now. -- Anakhi - despite his name, has nothing to do with so called "anakhists". Well, more or less. Gladly accept any invitations and attend salons. Being a Crooked Cross has its benefits.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 10/23/2017	What's the best option for gaining Inspired? As far as I can tell it's The Bohemians at 12.8 Inspired per action, using Scandal dupes and ignoring the rare success. idyl wrote: I just wanted to point out that there is a rare success possible when turning in your A Fine Piece to raise Poet Laureate. The first example: https://i.redd.it/ob5zb6s510tz.png They lost 3/6 AFP. The second example is my own: https://imgur.com/io3y9NL I lost 0/10 AFP. So, not only is there a chance of rare success, but there's also a range of how much AFP you lose. Currently it looks like 0-50% (Maybe 0% or 50%?). Obviously more results/data is needed, so if this happens to you post the information please. I lost 4/5 AFP so it looks like a static range rather than a percentage. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Waterpls Posts: 326 10/23/2017	>>>What's the best option for gaining Inspired? As far as I can tell it's The Bohemians Maybe The Lead. No Scandal, but rare success is only +15 Inpsired. 13.6 per action. edited by Waterpls on 10/23/2017 -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 10/21/2017	True, and I really hope that that is the case; otherwise, I don't think Persuasive 300 is even obtainable without a Mood. -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 10/21/2017	Well this could very well be a Courier's Footrpint grind, the final stages all but unobtainable without moods and previous grinds in place (i.e goats). I hope that, unlike Footrpint, a Poet Laureate gets something for their trouble. I get why in the Footprint the wounds and screams are their own reward but a Poet Laureate should have something magnificent to go with the title. Probably disturbing, too. But magnificent for sure. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 10/21/2017	Oh, and for me it is going to be revolutionaries favors all the way. I do not like to trade them and help the Liberation, so I have been using them to recoup nadir dangerous losses. Now I am going to become the Laureate... thanks to the revolutionaries' help. I gues this is the way FL is. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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Winthropx Posts: 166 10/20/2017	Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote: Winthropx wrote: There are two new options for both poem and novel works. Just finished my poem and there were actually three new options - a zailing poem, an Elder Continent poem, and a poem based on my artistic school (in this case, the Nocturnals). If all the schools are included, that's seven new poems! Oh, I forgot about the school options. The poem a Nocturals option, the novel had the bazaar associated school for an option. The other schools don't have an option in these works. -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary Posts: 26 10/20/2017	Although I don't remember in which category, I have seen both an option for the Mycologenes and for having no School, so Celestials should be somewhere
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Aniline Posts: 144 10/19/2017	Do the long works still give the items ("Copy of Your ...")? -- Melantha Prescott, the Suspicious Statistician. "3% failure chances crop up nine times out of ten." Francesca Ayers-Kernighan, bat-hunter, cat-whisperer
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/19/2017	Fashion didn't give a keepsake either. I'm working on a poem now - I'll report back if there are any new options there! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Winthropx Posts: 166 10/20/2017	Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote: Fashion didn't give a keepsake either. I'm working on a poem now - I'll report back if there are any new options there! There are two new options for both poem and novel works. -- Bishop Winthrop, a kind-hearted soul A Paramount Presence I accept all social actions His Appearance http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9363-your-characters-appearances.aspx?messageid=229809&Page=10#post#post229809
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Waterpls Posts: 326 10/20/2017	Is it basically good old Symphony @ The lead? Just as SotC:10 grind but much longer. I hope in the end there is option to spend 400 000+ moon pearls on something. Or just swim in them. edited by Waterpls on 10/20/2017 -- Long grinds: Heptagoat 100/180; Cider Done; Correspondence 21/21; Paramount 4/4.
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The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary Posts: 26 10/20/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary wrote: Although I don't remember in which category, I have seen both an option for the Mycologenes and for having no School, so Celestials should be somewhere What was the No School one? It's a Symphony as well EDIT:Found the Celestial option as well, it's a Play edited by The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary on 10/20/2017
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Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493 10/20/2017	Just finished one of the new novel options, and, well, it's appropriate that it was published in the Gazette, because I am seriously treading on Mr Huffam's toes with this kind of storytelling! -- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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Kaigen Posts: 530 10/20/2017	What kind of rewards do the new options give? Are they in line with the ones for the previously available? Also, what are everyone's preferred actions for grinding Inspired? I've been quietly working and taking inspiration from nature, while spending favours as I max out from cards drawn in Court. -- Just a simple doctor with a chess habit. Publisher of The Flit Dispatch. "One must remember that the impossible is, alas, always possible." -Jacques Derrida
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The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary Posts: 26 10/20/2017	The new options for a Novel are: A Tale of Espionage (5 Great Game Renown) A Tale for the People (5 Criminal and Urchin Renown) A Bazaarine Tale
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Lady Karnstein Posts: 278 10/21/2017	Thank You for the correction -- Lady Caroline Karnstein, The Moral Hedonist (Description) Infamous writer, artist, and courtesan. Unrepentant Invert. Hesperidean. Paramount Presence, Correspondent, Nocturnal. Poet Laureate of the Neath, Ambassador to Arbor
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suinicide Posts: 2409 10/20/2017	Same for novels! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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cleanfear Posts: 17 7/25/2018	Congratulations! I too reached the status of Laureate among poets a few days ago. Still hoping that they'll add an option to use it to the game. Like they did with SotC 21. -- Elduin, Paramount Presence extraordinaire accepting applications for patronage. Send me a calling card: https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Elduin Currently reciting poetry in the language of the stars to his Übergoat
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xKiv Posts: 846 11/16/2019	David Dunham wrote: I don’t see how one can get a high enough Respectable, I had waited for weeks to get the Alight with Passion. But I am still stuck at 18 (with a Persuasive total of 279). So far as I know I have the best items to boost Persuasive. My persuasive in current outfit is ... 214 + 82, so you are missing something. Are you overcapped? You probably won't have private debating lessons with the JC (+20 pers weapon, from the mayoral election that JC won), so that's 10 less for you there, unless you have persuasive profession companion - there are multiple that give 10, I use newly-born frost moth (renown 40 ... tomb colonist? reward) Expanded inventory has more renown 40 rewards - society for transport, church(?) for home comfort +1 from pc spouse, +2 from salon -- https://www.fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/xKiv - a witchful, percussive, dangermous and shadowry scholar of coexplodence, hopsidirean, and walker of fallen kitties.
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James McCreedy Posts: 6 2/15/2018	this may be old news and discussion closed, but, as far as text changing and all that, I'd say the ultimate lesson is, become an austere master of your temptations by turning amber into goo, and you'll never have to worry about the possible moral implications of your behavior. EVERYONE, JOIN THE LEAGUE OF AUSTERITY AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST POTENTIALLY ABUSIVE AND HARMFUL INDUlGENCE. WE HAVE AMBER FOR EVERYONE. plus we can get high from organ music, so we still have as much fun edited by James McCreedy on 2/15/2018
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Tay1or Posts: 163 11/17/2017	On one of my alts, I just did 1, 2, and 3 in succession after publishing the 3 new poems and 3 new novels, so it seems that you can stockpile them and trade them in all at once. I also probably wouldn't wait until I had 100 or whatever, but it will be useful at the end when I use my mood to get to the end and need the mood card.
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geremy Posts: 70 1/27/2018	As far as I can see, yes, grinding Carnelian ballets is the way to go. In fact, it provides an excellent echo grind if done over the (VERY) long term, much better that AotB, assuming that you have played the Blemmigan Affair and can therefore obtain Bohemians Favours using a highly profitable action on the Bohemians card. You need 1 action to travel to the Court, 1 action to start the ballet preparations, 13 actions of raising Inspired via the Composition: The High Path storylet, and 1 action to stage the ballet, for 16 actions per ballet staged. (If you can do more than one cycle at a time you can save the traveling action cost, but you are trying to grind echoes as efficiently as possible you also don't want to be drawing cards in the Court if you can help it. Other locations have better cards.) That results 30 echoes of Moon Pearls and 3 Tribute (worth the equivalent of 9.375 echoes when cashed in at the Court of the Wakeful Eye), at the cost of 6.5 echoes of honey. That's 32.875 echoes for 16 actions. Of course, that doesn't take into account the 1.55 actions necessary to cash in Bohemians Favours to obtain the requisite honey (we can ignore the action cost of obtaining the Favours, since the Blemmigan option on the Bohemians card is highly profitable even disregarding the Favour received), nor the 4 actions required to cash in every 20 Tribute in the Court of the Wakeful Eye, nor the ~40 actions necessary to zail to the Court of the Wakeful Eye and back. The zailing makes it necessary to do this over the very long term. If you staged 100 ballets, I calculate that (assuming 40 actions for round-trip zailing time) you would spend 1854.76 actions for Moon Pearls and Wakeful Eye treasures worth a total of 3287.50 echoes, for an EPA of 1.772. (If you instead just sold all of the honey you got from those Favours and spent the rest of your actions doing AotB, you would only make 3113.5 echoes from the same number of actions.) The longer you wait to take the trip, the higher the EPA becomes. (If you only staged 50 ballets, for instance, the EPA would only be 1.735.) Ignoring zailing, the EPA is 1.81, equivalent to the Assassins/CoC grind. Obviously this is a Fate-locked grind, since it requires having played through the Blemmigan Affair. And it's a slow grind, since it depends on the Bohemians card for honey, and you only have about a 50/50 chance of getting a Favour when you use the Blemmigan storylet on that card. (Getting enough Favours to stage 100 ballets would require drawing the card more than 300 times, which would take the better part of a year. And that's assuming that you would use every Bohemians Favour for this purpose; you almost certainly get a better benefit in the long run from the Bohemians conflict card, so you would only use these Favours for honey when the Bohemians card appears and you already have 7 Favours.) Still, for those in the midst of long-term echo grinding, combining this with selling orphans to the Court of the Wakeful Eye is a another way of making that zee-voyage as profitable as possible. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Geremy I accept social action requests. Feel free to ask for a sip of Hesperidean Cider as well. (Please make the request in-game, not on the forums.)
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Amalgamate Posts: 435 3/18/2018	Me too, just got it. Done with ballets for a long time now. -- http://www.fallenlondon.com/Profile/amalgamate Social invitations of all kinds welcome, especially games of chess and deadly sparring! Also happy to help with nightmares, send sips of Cider, and plant battle.
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Chrona Posts: 63 3/19/2018	Eh, I'm sad that there isn't a reward for it, but at the same time, this is something I'm just increasing as I go about my own business (that business being writing correspondence symphonies over and over for SotC.) At least I'm getting rich while I'm at it. edited by Chrona on 3/19/2018 -- Chrona Trigger: An academic adventurer, who is rather a large fan of masks, and is desperately curious about the many secrets of the neath. Except the one that isn't spoken of. Arsene, Pillager of Twilight, The masked, magnanimous, and charming master thief, who will give and take as pleases him. Surprisingly steadfast for such a fickle fellow.
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Jolanda Swan Posts: 1789 3/21/2018	Oh, it is a fun grind. And I did not mind getting nothng for Courier's footrpint, as there was nothing to be had. But achieving such an honour and not even getting MW or the actual wreath of laurels did not make sense at all. I did not miss the item per se, but it does diminsh the narative. -- Lover of all things beautiful, secret admirer of ugly truths, fond of the Parabola Sun... and always delighted to role play. http://fallenlondon.com/profile/Jolanda%20Swan
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TimurMurtazin Posts: 19 3/25/2018	I am doing this grind right now, and apparently this no longer zeroes your "fine piece" quality if you have excess (went from 8 to 1 when 7 was required) -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Timur%20Murtazin
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 11/4/2017	Is it just me, or does the conclusion text have a pretty clear sequel hook? You know, the Empresses mentioning how she hopes you'll honor the Royal Family? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/3/2017	Thank you, and of course! I've been hoarding favours to use in addition to honey, so hopefully that should help move things along more quickly for me. Plus in my eagerness to finish this grind, I might have impulsively bought a lot of Fate, so... I should hopefully be done very soon. -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 11/5/2017	It's got a direct action cost instead of the indirect cost of requiring lots of grinding, I guess ¯\_(ꙮ)_/¯ -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 756 11/11/2017	dov wrote: Getting to a Courier's Footprint is not just long and difficult, but also incredibly expensive. Creating works at Court actually pays OK on its own. I find that makes sense. Courier's Footprint is not something you do for any kind of public recognition; in fact, many would probably frown on your scientific endeavours. It's also highly dangerous and destructive - the Correspondence was never meant for mortals. It seems natural that it would require a lot of resources to push on with that goal, and of course your research must be self-funded. On the other hand, there's nothing inherently dangerous or materially difficult in becoming a poet. You just... write. Of course, there's an intellectual challenge, but that comes in the form of Persuasive stat-checks (and minor investments in honey and the like), and it wouldn't make sense if you could somehow sacrifice large amounts of material resources to write better. Plus, the whole thing comes with a lot of public recognition, and the works you produce are tangible, profitable byproduct (of which there is no equivalent when studying Correspondence). All in all, a much, much less thankless endeavour than forlornly making lead spontaneously combust in an isolated, shady lab. So the asymmetrical design here makes a lot of sense, actually. Not to mention that given how major the grinds are, it would be a bit boring if they all (allowing for the possibility of Shadowy and Dangerous equivalents down the road) followed very similar formats. One thing I'm confused about, however - several people mentioned that you have to reach PL 20, with a requirement of 290 Persuasive; but then the screenshot shows PL21 being achieved. What's the actual requirement for both PL and Persuasive? -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Omega8520 Posts: 102 11/11/2017	You reach PL 20 the normal way, via A Fine Work, which has a Persuasive requirement, and then at PL 20 you unlock an option to go to PL21, which is the actually become the Poet-Laureate thing -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Omega8520 A Correspondent of measure and restraint, not-withstanding a tendancy to rush into things. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menacing%20Seeker Northwards with Noman. At least they'll have company.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 11/11/2017	We had the weird giving-items-qualities thing for that with Enthralling, back in the day. (Not sure if that was removed or just made invisible though.) A separate inventory category for literary works would be nice though. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 11/12/2017	Optimatum wrote: We had the weird giving-items-qualities thing for that with Enthralling, back in the day. (Not sure if that was removed or just made invisible though.) A separate inventory category for literary works would be nice though. Item tags are most likely removed. That goes for both Intoxicated and Enthralling. Then again, Enthralling was a bit all over the places (it seemed a bit odd for the newspaper ingredients to have it, for example) and the only time it was helpful was trading in Short Stories during Election. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Alice Lutwidge Posts: 43 11/12/2017	Tay1or wrote: Actually, I have +53 of Persuasive equipment, etc. So actually, if I overcap to 215 to work toward Prominence, all I need is a mood card on top of that, right? 207 would do it--but I'd go all the way to 215. 290 Persuasive doesn't seem quite as far away as 300 Watchful did. That last 5 or 10 of Watchful was a bear. In this case, 207 unfortunately wouldn't be quite enough. I looked at your profile (to get a breakdown of your setup and give a better explanation based off of it, not to creep! :P) and your total bonuses before using a Mood will actually be +45--since Moods take up the hat slot, to get a more accurate total you should exclude your current hat. However! Since you said your plan is to overcap all the way to Persuasive 215, +45 actually will be enough. After using a Mood, you'll then get +75 from your gear, plus 215 will equal 290 exactly -- Professor Alice Lutwidge Poet-Laureate, Correspondent, Legendary Charisma
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dov Posts: 2580 11/15/2017	idyl wrote: dov wrote: And there's still the rare success in which you might either lose or gain a few levels of "A Fine Piece" instead - full range/formula to be confirmed (observed values: loss of 0-4, gain of 0-5). To update your observed values, I've gained 6 on a rare success: https://imgur.com/laoOuJ7 I wonder if the possible range for the rare success is dependent on the current level of "A Poet-Laureate". -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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genesis Posts: 924 11/15/2017	dov wrote: I wonder if the possible range for the rare success is dependent on the current level of "A Poet-Laureate". From the screenshot above, the simplest formula matching those figures would be "Poet-Laureate - 5", which would also account for the rare success both increasing and decreasing A Fine Piece (since for PL < 5, the change would be negative) -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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dov Posts: 2580 11/16/2017	Optimatum wrote: That's definitely not it. Maybe the range scales with Poet-Laureate, but for my first level I got the rare success and lost 4 AFP rather than gaining any. That also fits the formula. The suggested idea was that amount of "A Fine Piece" the rare success gives you is = ("new A Poet-Laureate level" - 5). So for the first "A Poet-Laureate", the rare success will "give" you -4 "A Fine Piece". ---- edited by dov on 11/16/2017 -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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dov Posts: 2580 11/16/2017	We're trying to piece this together from any available record. If someone can confirm that, indeed, they gained AFP from the rare success with a low Poet-Laureate level we'll have to adjust our conclusion. So far, the existing evidence we could find fits the proposed formula. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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