Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 756
10/23/2017
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I would question whether the slower approach (at 10 inspired) is really more EPA friendly than the honey approach. In two 24-inspired works, you'll spend 60 actions (not counting rare successes) working for free, but only 45 actions (30 on writing/composing, 15 on getting honey in Veilgarden) if you go the honey route (and this results in a net balance of honey, i.e. you don't lose any).
This leaves 15 actions free, and in both cases you spent a net 0 echoes on your Inspired. Even assuming the bog-standard box grind (since sailing somewhere or doing massive luck grinds isn't feasible with 15 actions, and long-term planning might not be for everyone), you gain/save a bit over 24 echoes if you go the honey route. Rare successes on the non-honey option will cut into that, but you'd have to be incredibly, ludicrously lucky to make that number go negative.
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
10/23/2017
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I'm not saying it's the most minmax friendly. It is, however, the lowest effort way that is friendly to my "all I have left to do is grind so I'd rather not pay attention to it" style.
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Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 756
10/23/2017
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To which I would present the counter-argument that one could easily pre-grind the honey, not paying any attention for 1-2 weeks straight, then switch to the court itself, and then continue not paying attention. I do see where you're coming from, though.
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Koenig
Posts: 466
10/24/2017
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A shame making waves are not a part of this grind; I was hopping to work towards being a paramount presence while also working on this grind. I guess I can't kill two bats with one stone this time around.
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Diptych
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10/24/2017
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Don't finishing a work and submitting it to the committee both generate Making Waves? I know my MW is much higher than usual after a few publications.
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Waterpls
Posts: 326
10/24/2017
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There is MW but less than 1 CP per action. It might be possible to climb Notablity 9-11 with high BDR.
edited by Waterpls on 10/24/2017
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Daedalus_Falk
Posts: 234
10/24/2017
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I was wondering, actually - when you return to the court, do you have the options to re-complete older works if you desire (e.g. write a Gothic Romance)? Or is it all-new content? I ask because it has a bearing on whether I spend the time grinding out the stories now, or just do it after Port Carnelian.
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10/24/2017
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Old and new are both available, happily!
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Jithin Prakash
Posts: 18
10/24/2017
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Has anyone become a poet laureate yet? Any idea what is the reward?
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Waterpls
Posts: 326
10/24/2017
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Jithin Prakash wrote:
Has anyone become a poet laureate yet? Any idea what is the reward? Its at least ~20 days grind, so nobody yet.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
10/24/2017
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Old and new are both available, happily!
Well, except the Operas.
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Daedalus_Falk
Posts: 234
10/24/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Old and new are both available, happily!
Well, except the Operas.
You mean to tell me that I can't immediately get exiled again by putting Bell and Candle back on? UNTHINKABLE!!!
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Anakhi
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10/24/2017
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Let's bring more math to the slaughter, shall we?
(24 + 1) * 12 = 300 CP Inspired needed to finish 24-Inspired work.
300 CP / 20 CP-gain (honey) = 15 A + 15 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 15/17 = 0.88 EPA.
300 CP / 10 CP-gain (nature) = 30 A + 30 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 30/32 = 0.93-0.94 EPA.
300 CP / 15 CP-gain (lead) = 20 A + 30 Echoes (+2 A to re-grind); 30/22 = 1.36 EPA.
To compare: AotB = 20 (mourning candles) + 3 (plaques) Echoes per 14 actions (13 for CP, 1 for claiming reward). 23/14 = 1.64 EPA.
One thing to consider: full grind through 10CP-options nets you 30 Echoes and takes away 32 Actions. In comparison, full grind of honey-option AND one cycle of AotB nets you 15 + 23 Echoes and takes away the same 32 Actions (17 for Court, 14 for AotB, and this one little guy to return to the Court if you really want to cycle through both grinds side-by-side). 0.93-0.94 EPA VS 38/32 = 1.18-1.19 EPA.
Another thing to consider: rare successes occur on a (roughly) same basis, no matter what option you choose. And while it might be tempting to say that rare Nature-success brings you 2 Actions worth of Inspired, the same rare success on honey/lead brings you additional goods (0.24 Echoes worth for lead; 0.12 Echoes + 0.5 Echoes worth of honey not wasted for composition). So, even if you're the Mythical RNGesus of the Neath, it's still more profitable to grind lead/honey.
Thus, it's either lead-grind (for EPA and decency) or honey-grind (for speed) for me; no 10 CP-option is really worth it in terms of echoes/actions (although for a completionist-Neather it's really a must to go through every piece of work possible, and honey/lead limit you to a rather weak amount of options - no cute films or astounding fashions for an optimal grinder, sorry).
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Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 756
10/24/2017
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Daedalus_Falk wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Old and new are both available, happily!
Well, except the Operas.
You mean to tell me that I can't immediately get exiled again by putting Bell and Candle back on? UNTHINKABLE!!!
I feel the need to ruin the fun by pointing out that the Correspondance option for Operas is of your own composition, and doesn't even increase Scandal (instead, you get +3CP wounds). The Bell and Candle can only be staged once, regardless of whether you do it at court or at your own expense.
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Daedalus_Falk
Posts: 234
10/25/2017
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I had another question, actually. Does anyone know if you can (assuming you so desire) unlock "Attend to Matters of Romance" again (by selling the Memento of Passion) after your return to court?
I ask because if so, then people who want Hedonist 15 can be at last delivered from their suffering: the options on the card are a way to grind Hedonist up to 15 via "Drowning prudence in passion" while still making a decent profit. Plus, it would mean you can chase the Wit and the Beauty again if you really want.
edited by Daedalus_Falk on 10/25/2017
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dov
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10/25/2017
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Daedalus_Falk wrote:
I had another question, actually. Does anyone know if you can (assuming you so desire) unlock "Attend to Matters of Romance" again (by selling the Memento of Passion) after your return to court?
I can confirm that "Attend to Matters of Romance" is available for those who were restored to the Court (as long as they have no Memento of Passion, which is the only lock on the storylet).
I haven't tried to use this to increase Fascinating (yet) to confirm whether interacting with the Wit and/or Beauty works as before.
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Verity Luminesence
Posts: 5
10/25/2017
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I just wanted to point out that there is a rare success possible when turning in your A Fine Piece to raise Poet Laureate.
The first example: https://i.redd.it/ob5zb6s510tz.png
They lost 3/6 AFP.
The second example is my own: https://imgur.com/io3y9NL
I lost 0/10 AFP.
So, not only is there a chance of rare success, but there's also a range of how much AFP you lose. Currently it looks like 0-50% (Maybe 0% or 50%?). Obviously more results/data is needed, so if this happens to you post the information please.
I just got my first rare success when turning in my work to raise Poet Laureate - and it actually increased my AFP by one - meaning that I could then resubmit immediately afterwards for the next level. Unfortunately, I didn't think to take pictorial evidence.
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Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1789
10/25/2017
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Is there any issue with reaching A Fine Piece 15 before submitting to the Commitee, so you do not waste one point? Or does it take the entire quality away?
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Kaigen
Posts: 530
10/25/2017
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Is there any issue with reaching A Fine Piece 15 before submitting to the Commitee, so you do not waste one point? Or does it take the entire quality away?
It takes the entire quality away unless you get a rare success.
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Jolanda Swan
Posts: 1789
10/27/2017
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Thank you. Makes sense.
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