 Absintheuse Posts: 348
10/18/2017
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A chill is in the air and secrets are being whispered in the wind—Hallowmas will soon be upon us!
Hallowmas 1895 will take place from 24th October - 7th November and will be similar in structure to last year's festivities. More details to follow when the festival begins.
Our residing Mayor may seems quite interested in this particular holiday...
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 Blaine Davidson Posts: 388
10/19/2017
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If there was anything I missed about the old Hallowmass it was that I was never able to get back at those who betrayed me.
I still remember you two. And I am still not happy.
-- Blaine Davidson, a reserved and sensible woman with a fondness of collecting rarities.
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 Optimatum Posts: 3666
10/19/2017
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menaulon wrote:
I will have to respectfully disagree. The new festival really isn't action-intensive. The only reason to upgrade most of the companions is solely completionist and getting one of each confessions doesn't require much in terms of actions.
The previous mode of the festival had urgency and energy. Yes, it was about fleeting links, but that's the nature of any big gathering. I might be sentimental because Hallowmass was the reason I first got involved in the forum, but the only other event that even tries to be as communal and frantic as the old Hallowmass is the Election, probably as the response for changing the Hallowmass. The previous Hallowmass style also had the sense that what players were doing was clandestine, people struggling to rise above the expected station. Failbetter definitely didn't expect people to get as many new contacts to confess to or betray as we managed through the forums. I am pretty sure it's the stuff like new players getting to 700 Spirit that led to the new, more individualistic format. Finally, you can never have too many rare expensive items.
I understand why we can never go back, but I will cherish the confessional invitations I have managed to preserve.
So in other words, the new Hallowmas isn't action-intensive because the action-intensive part is only necessary for completionism and you don't actually have to upgrade every companion. (Of course, you don't actually have to upgrade any of them or even get any confessions at all. No content ever need be action-intensive when you can just not play as much of the content as you wish.)
On the other hand, the old Hallowmas does count as action-intensive because one year a small subset of players decided to collaboratively min-max every single action for weeks so they could all get the highest possible QLD for a single quality that everyone knew would become obsolete one year later. All they got out of those thousands of extra actions was a slight improvement on a single option on a single card; the gains from this improvement were certainly lower than what the players could get by just getting the lowest QLD and spending those weeks of actions on grinding directly. Apparently, this is nothing like completionism.
In any case: "the only other event that even tries to be as communal and frantic as the old Hallowmass is the Election". Thing is, Hallowmas itself didn't try to be communal or frantic. Sure, the holiday mechanically focused on social actions, but anyone who wasn't an active forum-goer or community member might deal with a handful of confessions at most. (I was there for Hallowmas 2014 and sent a couple then forgot about it completely.) The game didn't even give any reason to send and receive lots of confessions: you needed to hear that from someone who'd been through it before, a friend of a friend of someone high-Spirited. Hallowmas 2015 was the third Hallowmas and the first and only time that such massive coordination took place. It was a hell of a lot of fun (thanks NiteBrite!) but it was much more a community-led event than part of the Hallowmas festival itself. If you were outside the forums and connected social groups, it didn't affect you, Hallowmas was the same low-key event as the two years prior.
Having been through that intense community collaboration, I'm actually glad that Hallowmas got overhauled. It was a ton of fun but having all our weeks of hard work effectively erased the next year and needing to do it all over would have left a bad taste in my mouth. Now we have a holiday that socially-inactive players can enjoy too, a holiday where you don't have to redo everything later. As you say the Election probably came from the remains of old Hallowmas, and IMO it achieves the same goal a lot more effectively. It's focused on community engagement, but there's an actual reason to participate both in-game and socially. Players can have the satisfaction of grinding the maximum possible value of the relevant quality, but not wanting to just means fewer item rewards later. The social actions from this year even permit coordination like in old Hallowmas. Running the Election race has actual consequences where old Hallowmas was like a hamster wheel. edited by Optimatum on 10/19/2017
-- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome.
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 menaulon Posts: 112
10/18/2017
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Televangelist wrote:
An action-intensive festival is wayyyyyy better than the social network manipulation from the past. Rewarding people for frantically making 50 fleeting linkages with players they'll never interact with again was the very worst.
There's tons of wonderful story content at Hallowmas, in the form of the confessions -- I'm excited to see what we learn this year. I will have to respectfully disagree. The new festival really isn't action-intensive. The only reason to upgrade most of the companions is solely completionist and getting one of each confessions doesn't require much in terms of actions.
The previous mode of the festival had urgency and energy. Yes, it was about fleeting links, but that's the nature of any big gathering. I might be sentimental because Hallowmass was the reason I first got involved in the forum, but the only other event that even tries to be as communal and frantic as the old Hallowmass is the Election, probably as the response for changing the Hallowmass. The previous Hallowmass style also had the sense that what players were doing was clandestine, people struggling to rise above the expected station. Failbetter definitely didn't expect people to get as many new contacts to confess to or betray as we managed through the forums. I am pretty sure it's the stuff like new players getting to 700 Spirit that led to the new, more individualistic format. Finally, you can never have too many rare expensive items.
I understand why we can never go back, but I will cherish the confessional invitations I have managed to preserve.
-- Menaulon Open to social actions, but would prefer to be betrayed in the search for Photographer.
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 Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493
10/18/2017
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Nah, it's just 'cause he's actually got a turnip under those bandages and he's hoping someone can carve a face in it.
-- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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 dov Posts: 2580
10/19/2017
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What I liked about old Hallowmas was that inter-player choices carried and were built-upon year by year.
You had a quality for your character showing which ones have betrayed your trust.
You had a quality for those who kept your secrets.
And you had a way to reinforce said trust by again choosing to keep secrets from past Hallowmas. I really liked the list of players I had with Trust level 3.
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 Mr Sables Posts: 597
10/19/2017
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dov wrote:
What I liked about old Hallowmas was that inter-player choices carried and were built-upon year by year.
You had a quality for your character showing which ones have betrayed your trust.
You had a quality for those who kept your secrets.
And you had a way to reinforce said trust by again choosing to keep secrets from past Hallowmas. I really liked the list of players I had with Trust level 3.
I quite liked that, too.
It was why I was so immensely excited for my second Hallowmas, and so immensely let down.
My character betrayed everyone, as they were desperate to increase their Masters connections (one of the few ways I could organically gain CP without extensive amounts of fate and in-game items, too). I absolutely loved that our in-game actions actually affected other players, as well as that a record was kept, and it really make the game feel interactive and like a community! I know I peeved people off, so I was excited for that role-play element, too. How would they react? What would it mean for trying to gain trust the next year?
There were also those who came up with exceptionally wonderful and detailed back-stories for their characters, leaving notes so much fun to read for every betrayal or trust kept, and I also wanted to try that with my next Hallowmas, too, so it was less "anonymous" and more "motivated". And you were forced to talk to people, so you could make new friends and form new connections (which help all year around for social actions).
The Election doesn't quite have that feel. Hallowmas now is just a 1p grind.
Like, I do think the Election is great for those that enjoy it, but you're working together and not competing against one another. Well, that's worded badly . . . what I mean is that you all have a common goal, with no personal gain, so you all win/lose together. It's less "player-against-player" and more "players-against-players". You can't betray an individual and have that marked against you. You can't help another person and have that marked to your name. You don't get personal karma, or personal/individual rewards, and you don't get any asymmetrical imbalances for your choices (you can get asymmetrical mechanics for your profession, but that feels different to making a moral choice).
I don't know . . . *sighs* . . . it's hard to put into words.
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 Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770
10/19/2017
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I very much enjoyed the Old Hallowmas (hmmm … I’m sure there’s something here about the Old Ways, which may be no longer practiced, but which are not entirely forgotten). I had so much maddeningly frantic fun in the continuous scramble to seek and give confessions. That all this work carried over into other social actions—choices of keeping trust or betraying and the long-term record of those choices—added all the more to the flavor and weight of the Festival. It was a grind, but being so different—social and short lived—from the normal grinds, that it was refreshing. New Hallowmas seems much more … mechanical, much more like normal FL play … it isn’t so fun for me.
-- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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 Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514
10/18/2017
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Last year had a major Notability grind to get additional Confessions to trade or use, so it was a little more action intensive than that for me at least.
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome.
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 Televangelist Posts: 109
10/18/2017
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An action-intensive festival is wayyyyyy better than the social network manipulation from the past. Rewarding people for frantically making 50 fleeting linkages with players they'll never interact with again was the very worst.
There's tons of wonderful story content at Hallowmas, in the form of the confessions -- I'm excited to see what we learn this year.
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 Mr Sables Posts: 597
10/18/2017
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Omalan Bisqui wrote:
Pardon me for asking, I'm a bit new here but what usually happens in hallowmas?
If it's the same as last year? Not much.
You get something like a 'card' to collect each day, and a certain amount and combination will grant you a companion. You basically collect cards (trading them with alts or others to get the sets you need) to upgrade your existing companions or get new ones. You just have to log on once a day, maybe use two or three actions at most, wait for the next day, and cash in before the end of the festival.
Fun for collectors, but I found it dreadfully dull compared to the year before (which I adored with a passion).
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 Pnakotic Posts: 266
10/18/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Absintheuse wrote:
Our residing Mayor may seems quite interested in this particular holiday... Called it! Finally, some political intrigue ^_^ Interested in secrets? Feducci?
Next you'll be telling me we've got a Catholic pope...
-- J. Ward Dunn, Glassman
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 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
10/19/2017
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Remember to hold onto new confessions until Mr. Huffam comes around. He'll tell you interesting things.
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
10/18/2017
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Aren't there some hints that the old spirit system is being brought back in an updated form?
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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 Diptych Administrator Posts: 3493
10/18/2017
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My sole desire for this Hallowmas: there are ten upgradeable companions. I have four characters. They currently have two upgraded Hallowmas companions each. If either two or six upgradeable companions were added, each of my characters could have three or four Hallowmas companions each.
-- Sir Frederick, the Libertarian Esotericist. Lord Hubris, the Bloody Baron. Juniper Brown, the Ill-Fated Orphan. Esther Ellis-Hall, the Fashionable Fabian.
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 dov Posts: 2580
10/20/2017
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No need to have this sent as a gift during the Feast (for 5 Fate). You can get the doll at any time (for just 3 Fate!) By doing a contract at the Department of Menace Eradication.
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 Saklad Posts: 528
10/20/2017
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The Doll is an exception, I admit. I happened to have it from nearly the start of the game due to spending the tiny bit of Fate you get for free at the Department of Menace Eradication, but not everyone does that.
If the new content uses exclusively non-Fate-locked companions, I’ll be happy with that.
That being said, if one of the upgradable companions is the Overgoat, I’m going to cry inside. edited by Saklad5 on 10/20/2017
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 genesis Posts: 924
10/24/2017
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Nothing to do with server maintenance (usually). They are probably only just arriving in the office. It’s not even 9am
-- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin
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 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
10/20/2017
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I never experienced the Old Hallowmas, though I sort of wish I had. I'm hoping player confessions make a return, however limited ^_^
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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 Sir Joseph Marlen Posts: 575
10/19/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Aren't there some hints that the old spirit system is being brought back in an updated form? Could you specify on those hints? I could make some assumptions like the A Hallowmas Reveler of Old quality, though. I'd love to see some bits of the old holiday return, though! dov wrote:
What I liked about old Hallowmas was that inter-player choices carried and were built-upon year by year. You had a quality for your character showing which ones have betrayed your trust.
You had a quality for those who kept your secrets.
And you had a way to reinforce said trust by again choosing to keep secrets from past Hallowmas. I really liked the list of players I had with Trust level 3. Blaine Davidson wrote:
If there was anything I missed about the old Hallowmas it was that I was never able to get back at those who betrayed me. I still remember you two. And I am still not happy. I wonder if they'd ever consider bringing some of those small details back. Like, could we do anything for those who kept our trust, or anyone who betrayed it? Will our Hallowmas Reveler of Old be a usable quality or something just for recording's sake? Confessions were a bit of a chaotic mad dash in past years, but I'll be damned if they weren't entertaining. That's not to say that the new system isn't more orderly and relaxed, but I certainly wouldn't turn down the opportunity to deal with player confessions in a revised manner. That being said, I'm happy with how things are currently, but I guess we'll see what they plan to do within the next few days.
-- Sir Joseph Marlen - The Romantic Sophist Alexus Harven - The Defiant Fatalist Rose Reinhelm - The Respectful Revolutionary Cappuccino - The Perfidious Spycraft
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 suinicide Posts: 2409
10/19/2017
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Last year you could update: the alluring accomplice, the cheerful goldfish (a very good choice to upgrade), The bengal tigress, the grubby urchin, the rubbery bellringer, the devious henchman, and the watchful doll. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more options this year. The alluring accomplice, the grubby urchin, and the devious henchman all had two possible upgrades. edited by suinicide on 10/19/2017
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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 Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770
10/19/2017
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I can't remember, how long after the Festival is over can we still upgrade companions? I will be in someplace quite remote for a good chunk of November.
-- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
10/18/2017
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Absintheuse wrote:
Our residing Mayor may seems quite interested in this particular holiday... Called it! Finally, some political intrigue ^_^
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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 Mr Sables Posts: 597
10/18/2017
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Last year had a major Notability grind to get additional Confessions to trade or use, so it was a little more action intensive than that for me at least.
Eh, I might try that this year for an added challenge.
But it just felt too much like a grind for items I had no interest in. Like, "Feast" has a story to go alongside it, or "Zee" has interesting mechanics and what feels more like a game with some variations, and the election - while I didn't really participate and was indifferent to - I can understand why people enjoy it, as there's again a story and variations and less of a "grind". This just feels like . . . well . . . grinding and collecting. If I was interested in that, I'd set myself the goal of Cider and spend all day farming echoes. It felt the exact same thing to me.
Just personal opinion, though, and clearly others disagree.
I'm glad others are enjoying it
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 DSpayre Posts: 4
10/18/2017
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I'm wondering if there will be some new tidbits towards the solving of the Mysteries as well.
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/DSpayre
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 Anne Auclair Posts: 2215
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Pnakotic wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Absintheuse wrote:
Our residing Mayor may seems quite interested in this particular holiday... Called it! Finally, some political intrigue ^_^ Interested in secrets? Feducci?
Next you'll be telling me we've got a Catholic pope... He's been sulking and stewing in the mayoral manor, so there hasn't been much to talk about except his sulking and stewing. At last, he's doing something :P
-- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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 annalibertas Posts: 161
10/19/2017
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[ In any case: "the only other event that even tries to be as communal and frantic as the old Hallowmass is the Election". Thing is, Hallowmas itself didn't try to be communal or frantic. Sure, the holiday mechanically focused on social actions, but anyone who wasn't an active forum-goer or community member might deal with a handful of confessions at most. (I was there for Hallowmas 2014 and sent a couple then forgot about it completely.) The game didn't even give any reason to send and receive lots of confessions: you needed to hear that from someone who'd been through it before, a friend of a friend of someone high-Spirited. Hallowmas 2015 was the third Hallowmas and the first and only time that such massive coordination took place. It was a hell of a lot of fun (thanks NiteBrite!) but it was much more a community-led event than part of the Hallowmas festival itself. If you were outside the forums and connected social groups, it didn't affect you, Hallowmas was the same low-key event as the two years prior.
Having been through that intense community collaboration, I'm actually glad that Hallowmas got overhauled. It was a ton of fun but having all our weeks of hard work effectively erased the next year and needing to do it all over would have left a bad taste in my mouth. Now we have a holiday that socially-inactive players can enjoy too, a holiday where you don't have to redo everything later. As you say the Election probably came from the remains of old Hallowmas, and IMO it achieves the same goal a lot more effectively. It's focused on community engagement, but there's an actual reason to participate both in-game and socially. Players can have the satisfaction of grinding the maximum possible value of the relevant quality, but not wanting to just means fewer item rewards later. The social actions from this year even permit coordination like in old Hallowmas. Running the Election race has actual consequences where old Hallowmas was like a hamster wheel. edited by Optimatum on 10/19/2017
I actually liked the fleeting nature of Hallowmas, that all my progress was reset each year save for my growing list of trust qualities (I treasure every trust (3) i have, and I'm sure others do as well). Even the first year I was involved, long before I knew about the forums it was my favorite holiday after feast of the rose (which was p similar at the time but with trinkets in place of confessions). I understand why it was changed, and I enjoyed last years hallowmas just fine but I'll always miss the original version
-- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Anna%20Libertas Accepting all social actions & boxed cats
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 Saklad Posts: 528
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I adore the new Hallowmas, especially since it is possible to get everything without Fate (with great difficulty). I don’t like that the Feast of the Exceptional Rose has so much truly Fate-locked content.
That being said, I’ll be happy with anything this year so long as there are actually new companions to get. In other words, I don’t want a repeat of the 2017 Fruits of the Zee Festival. We got like three new bits of writing and nothing else. I still liked it, but I was quite disappointed.
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 Ali G. Posts: 5
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Saklad wrote:
I adore the new Hallowmas, especially since it is possible to get everything without Fate (with great difficulty). I don’t like that the Feast of the Exceptional Rose has so much truly Fate-locked content.
That being said, I’ll be happy with anything this year so long as there are actually new companions to get. In other words, I don’t want a repeat of the 2017 Fruits of the Zee Festival. We got like three new bits of writing and nothing else. I still liked it, but I was quite disappointed. Though Fruits was good, noobs could easily get destinies
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 Kaijyuu Posts: 1047
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Doesn't the doll require Fate? A very small amount, but still some. Indeed. It was the one companion I couldn't upgrade last year. I had an alt send me one last Feast in the case that we could upgrade it again this year.
-- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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 genesis Posts: 924
10/22/2017
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Can anyone recall, does the Huffam Interview storylet stay indefinitely until you interview someone or does it get season-locked after a few weeks?
I know that the confessions expire but if you’ve traded in all you confessions can you still interview companions in, say, February?
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 SingingFlame Posts: 34
10/22/2017
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genesis wrote:
Can anyone recall, does the Huffam Interview storylet stay indefinitely until you interview someone or does it get season-locked after a few weeks?
I know that the confessions expire but if you’ve traded in all you confessions can you still interview companions in, say, February?
I know the interview storylet sticks around until at least late November.
-- Matilda Ydmos, the Discerning Huntress (Nemesis) Anne Carnacki, the Audacious Canon (Heart's Desire) Eleanor Redrick, the Stalwart Well-Widow (Bag a Legend!) -Any social actions welcomed-
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