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9/20/2017
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For those who may not know, Alexis Kennedy, the creator of the Fallen London universe is running a Kickstarter for his new game. As one of the rewards he will answer any lore question from his games that are not covered by an NDA. Fallen London and Sunless Sea are obviously included. So this is a thread for brainstorming such questions and for Prophet level supporters to volunteer their question slot.
Alexis has also created a page for this as well.
Disclosure: I *am* a Prophet level backer but I am *not*, at the moment, volunteering my question to the public. I may change my mind.
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9/30/2017
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What is the Sultan's Dream?
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Addis Rook
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By what exact methods can the Liberation of Night be fully realized? How does it work?
What are the requirements for a soul to undergo apotheosis and become a Judgement?
Why do souls exist independently of their hosts? Why are we not our souls? How are they formed?
Why do the Fingerkings want the Mountain of Light?
Why do the colors of the Neathbow exist? Are there things that unconditionally exist underneath the Law of the Judgements, that are simply suppressed and covered up by them? Does this mean there was another cosmic cycle before the Judgements existed?
Where does Irrigo come from, and how was the cave of the Nadir created?
What is the Sable Sun?
What role do the Masters' kind play in the High Wilderness? What do they hunt?
What are Dragons, and how to Judgements manage to control them, when they have the power to kill them?
What are the human limits for the use of Correspondence? Could humans achieve true reality warping with it, given enough knowledge?
edited by Addis Rook on 9/22/2017
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sekar
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9/30/2017
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Another one: Who is the Red-Handed Queen?
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sekar
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10/3/2017
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menaulon wrote:
Optimatum wrote:
Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:
Ambition: Nemesis confirms that the Red-Handed Queen's mortal avatar is Dr Carrywell.
When?
It is told in the Destiny that the Bloody-Handed Queen has an avatar - http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/The_Bloody-Handed_Queen
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Ambition:_Nemesis_17_-_Carrywell
The images are both the same and unique. So it may not be explicitly confirmed, but very strongly implied. They also have at least one thematic similarity.
edited by menaulon on 10/3/2017
This took quite some digging around, but I feel like there's too many strong hints around to prove that she really is the mortal avatar of the Red-Handed Queen, and not just the case of similar image.
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Firstly, while looking for Dr Carrywell in Venderbight with Ambition:Nemesis and sufficient Dreams of Chess a card will show up about a tomb-colonist challenging us to chess, because the pieces told him our name. The pieces said we're looking for the Red-Handed Queen who has the knife (while before this we were never mentioned to go seek for her, only Dr Carrywell).
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Go_over_when_he_beckons%3F -> and of course, the nice addition of the lovely Red-Handed Queen image
If we're successful, he'll surrender and topple his own king (note that in the Dreams of Chess continuity, the Beleaguered King might end up being defeated by the Red-Handed Queen's efforts). But if we lose, the flavor text describes how our pieces fell to "his merciless knights and his inquisitorial bishops".
These two chess-pieces were also mentioned in A dream about the Red-Handed Queen, where we dream about being her.
http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/A_dream_about_the_Red-Handed_Queen
The dream describes that the Red-Handed Queen is trying to "stay several steps ahead of those other assassins, the One-Eyed Bishop and the Lonely Knight". Whether the assassins are chasing her, or are her competitors in pursuing something, I don't know.
And perhaps the most important part of that dream which ties back to Dr Carrywell:
"You can go anywhere. You use secret passages to enter the rooms of your enemies, vulnerable in their sleep."
Remember that Dr Carrywell is powerful because she had been amassing information from the Grand Sanatorium's inhabitants. Those are her "secret passages" to sneak through her enemies' defense, who would be asleep (red honey connection? Or just that Carrywell's simply involved with the Fingerkings?).
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
9/21/2017
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Looking for a question? How about: What the **** does the Who is Salt SMEN ending even mean?????
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PSGarak
Posts: 834
9/20/2017
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What do Devils do with souls?
What are the seven Labyrinths?
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sekar
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9/22/2017
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Addis Rook wrote:
By what exact methods can the Liberation of Night be fully realized? How does it work?
What are the requirements for a soul to undergo apotheosis and become a Judgement?
Why do souls exist independently of their hosts? Why are we not our souls? How are they formed?
Why do the Fingerkings want the Mountain of Light?
Why do the colors of the Neathbow exist? Are there things that unconditionally exist underneath the Law of the Judgements, that are simply suppressed and covered up by them? Does this mean there was another cosmic cycle before the Judgements existed?
Where does Irrigo come from, and how was the cave of the Nadir created?
What is the Sable Sun?
What role do the Masters' kind play in the High Wilderness? What do they hunt?
What are Dragons, and how to Judgements manage to control them, when they have the power to kill them?
What are the human limits for the use of Correspondence? Could humans achieve true reality warping with it, given enough knowledge?
edited by Addis Rook on 9/22/2017
Answering some parts of questions number 1, 2, 3, 7, and 8 (some spoilers ahead from Sunless Seas, SMEN, and the fate-locked ES Discernment)
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1. In Sunless Seas there's an Unclear Device, probably made by the Revolutionaries. It works by sucking the light from the enemy ship. A much bigger and more sophisticated version would then be able to suck the light or life force from a Judgement, thus exterminating it.
2. After a soul has been matured enough through centuries of recycling and refining, by inserting it into humans who would lead on extraordinary lives or through some unknown infernal refinery methods (it is also implied that the Wind of Ages' effect of rapid maturation is attractive for the devils, presumably for that purpose), it would become a Judgement's Egg. A vision in Frostfound seemed to show a released Judgement's Egg quickly growing up to be a Judgement within Frostfound's chambers, so probably given the right conditions it doesn't even need to be in the High Wilderness to hatch and grow.
3. Souls are formed in the Forge of Souls, somewhere in the High Wilderness. Souls seem to give its bearer loftier aspirations, exalting the mood and quality of the person, but it isn't a compulsory requisite for life, at least in the Neath. Iirc, souls of average quality are barely distinguishable from each other, so an average soulless person can reinsert a random average soul and feel confident that they are back to their old happy, soul-having self.
7. Judgements surely come in different shapes and personalities, just like you and I. It's often mentioned that Judgements have their own factions, thus different goals. The Sable Sun, as the mastermind behind the Liberation of the Night (or one of the masterminds), furthers its goals in the Neath through a portal in the zee-floor, similar to the way White furthers its goals in the Neath through the Avid Horizon. The Sable and the White might or might not be the highest rivals on the chessboard hinted throughout the Dreams of Chess. https://sunlesssea.gamepedia.com/The_Eye#Under_Sunless_Skies
8. The space bats are referred to as echo hunters in Sunless Seas' Chapel of Lights. Echoes are likely to be the currency used throughout the Great Chain in the High Wilderness. I don't know what shapes the actual Echoes take, though.
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The Reluctant Oneironaut : Spends the better part of his days sleeping while his daughters study him in his dreaming-state.
The Uproarious Mechanic : A new challenger to the drinking champions of the Blind Helmsman.
The Eloquent Chromatomancer : Young enough to be an urchin, yet too clean to pass as one.
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a Nice Friend
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10/2/2017
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Didn't one of the recent Exceptional Stories strongly imply that she is one of the Duchess' sisters, fled to (and presumably changed by) Parabola?
I sure wish I could remember to echo things to my journal.
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PSGarak
Posts: 834
10/2/2017
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a Nice Friend wrote:
Didn't one of the recent Exceptional Stories strongly imply that she is one of the Duchess' sisters, fled to (and presumably changed by) Parabola?
I sure wish I could remember to echo things to my journal.
I can't find the exact Echoes, but yes, mostly. In The Attendants (ES for August), the eldest sister is associated with red and queens. I was under the impression she was associated with red hands specifically, but I can't find the echo right now.
That still leaves a lot to be answered, though.
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What is the House of the Feather? It's different from the Palace the sisters constructed.
What is the nature of the Avatar mentioned in the destiny?
Why is she associated with Dreams of Chess, and does that imply a deeper connection to the Great Game?
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I agree that the Red-Handed Queen is near the top of the list of mysteries I would like to learn more about.
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Gul al-Ahlaam
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10/3/2017
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Ambition: Nemesis confirms that the Red-Handed Queen's mortal avatar is [spoiler]Dr Carrywell.[/spoiler]
Whether she's a human woman with a Parabolan aspect, or an imaginary creature with a human form, she seems restricted to those two things in her manifestation for now, if the Fingerkings' implications can be trusted.
Personally, my question is "Who is the glove maker, and who is the glove?"
edited by Gul al-Ahlaam on 10/3/2017
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sekar
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10/3/2017
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Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:
Ambition: Nemesis confirms that the Red-Handed Queen's mortal avatar is <snip>
Whether she's a human woman with a Parabolan aspect, or an imaginary creature with a human form, she seems restricted to those two things in her manifestation for now, if the Fingerkings' implications can be trusted.
Personally, my question is "Who is the glove maker, and who is the glove?"
edited by Gul al-Ahlaam on 10/3/2017
there was also a discussion among the Sunless Seas folks regarding her being the Red Handed Queen's avatar, as her character in the SS uses that same image - but other than the game assigning the same image to her and the Red-Handed Queen (well, the game even assigns the same image to the Blind Bruiser, Blue Jack and Devious Henchman), i wonder if there's another indication that she is really her mortal avatar?
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Optimatum
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10/9/2017
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What is the Dual Nature? What is the difference between Fortigan and Forthigan?
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Gul al-Ahlaam
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10/21/2017
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About the Red Handed Queen: If you go to Venderbight in Ambition: Nemesis and have A Game of Chess ≥ 5, they literally just tell you who she is, name and all.EDIT: It's this option. No speculation required. ^_~
edited by Gul al-Ahlaam on 10/21/2017
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Reused NPC
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10/2/2017
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a Nice Friend wrote:
Didn't one of the recent Exceptional Stories strongly imply that she is one of the Duchess' sisters, fled to (and presumably changed by) Parabola?
I sure wish I could remember to echo things to my journal.
I think that was one of the Keys in The Attendants, correct?
That ES covered all of the Duchess's sisters, I think, as well. (You might try here for further lore, although it's also mostly speculation... If the red-handed queen is any of these, it seems, to me anyhow, to most likely be the fourth?)
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(No relation to the Bloody-Handed Queen from Wednesday in Parabola, yes? I've heard she's meant to be the Captivating Princess, and of no relation to the Duchess or her sisters.)
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Optimatum
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10/2/2017
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I really, really doubt one of the Duchess's sisters is the Red-Handed Queen. For one thing, the eldest sister is explicitly dead. That's why her door is "red as the death of queens". The Red-Handed Queen is very likely the same entity as the Bloody-Handed Queen anyways.
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Chronos
Posts: 135
9/30/2017
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Who is Madame Limpid?
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
10/1/2017
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sekar wrote:
Another one: Who is the Red-Handed Queen?
Oh, I think that's the best one.
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Optimatum
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9/23/2017
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sekar wrote:
Addis Rook wrote:
By what exact methods can the Liberation of Night be fully realized? How does it work?
What are the requirements for a soul to undergo apotheosis and become a Judgement?
Why do souls exist independently of their hosts? Why are we not our souls? How are they formed?
Why do the Fingerkings want the Mountain of Light?
Why do the colors of the Neathbow exist? Are there things that unconditionally exist underneath the Law of the Judgements, that are simply suppressed and covered up by them? Does this mean there was another cosmic cycle before the Judgements existed?
Where does Irrigo come from, and how was the cave of the Nadir created?
What is the Sable Sun?
What role do the Masters' kind play in the High Wilderness? What do they hunt?
What are Dragons, and how to Judgements manage to control them, when they have the power to kill them?
What are the human limits for the use of Correspondence? Could humans achieve true reality warping with it, given enough knowledge?
edited by Addis Rook on 9/22/2017
Answering some parts of questions number 1, 2, 3, 7, and 8 (some spoilers ahead from Sunless Seas, SMEN, and the fate-locked ES Discernment)
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Well those sure are some assumptions.
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1. A much bigger and more sophisticated Unclear Device could, potentially, suck the light or life force from a Judgement. But Judgements are vastly more powerful than an enemy ship, and I expect that such a device would need to be so much more advanced than the Unclear Devices we’ve seen that using the same name would be inaccurate. Plus the Liberation might not use such technology at all while dealing with the Judgements. One possibility is that they could manipulate one Judgement’s Dragons into killing rival Judgements.
2. We don’t know if souls pass between humans before returning to the Judgements and getting eaten. We don’t know if human souls can become Judgements ‘ Eggs, nor do we know if Judgements’ Eggs were originally something different. We don’t know if the vision in Frostfound is of a Judgement itself (as opposed to some small part of one), we don’t know if a single Judgements’ Egg would be enough to make a real Judgement, we don’t know if there’s other necessary ingredients for the process, and we *definitely* don’t know whether a Judgement could even exist outside the Wilderness. Personally I’m pretty certain that last bit is impossible, since weird ice castles full of dreams and symbolism probably aren’t accurate to reality.
3. This all seems correct to me, though as I understand it, the last part could be more a gameplay simplification than story canon.
7. I doubt that The Eye actually physically leads somewhere like the Avid Horizon does. Given that only your captain is transported to meet the Sable Sun and that afterwards you wake up right back on your ship where it was, I’m inclined to say it’s some form of vision.
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Vavakx Nonexus
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9/24/2017
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PSGarak wrote:
What do Devils do with souls?
What are the seven Labyrinths? We already know what devils get up to with souls! They either go to the soul-factories and used in the production of new Laws (see: 12:15, Trial and Error) or, based on lore in Sunless Skies' Carillon, they cleanse souls for the sake of generation Penances, which I Do Not At All Understand.
I do love the seven labyrinths question, though! It's the sort of off-the-way lore that might be v interesting to learn.
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JoelMB12
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9/21/2017
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Is any one curious about CS Lore for example where do Hours come?
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
9/21/2017
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Does anyone else want to know the complete history of Darkdrop Coffee?
Just to be clear, I'm not an Oracle.
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