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What is the taste? What is the number? How do you make cheese out of spiders, anyway? So many questions, and this is the thread for them!
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Lady Sapho Byron
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
What is the number?
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Dudebro Pyro
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I believe purely in terms of min-maxing, the optimal strategy is to get the Orphanage, grind up to Laconic Prodigy, purchase that, then if the purchase doesn't wipe scheme (I haven't done it myself) cash it in as much as possible, then switch to the Salon. This maximises Bizzare (the hardest BDR stat to raise IIRC), BDR (using God's Editors - which is pretty easy to acquire), and Persuasive, while allowing you to obtain a fantastic companion and also providing you with some non-optimal, but very high payout MW options.
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Daedalus_Falk
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8/29/2017
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
How do you make cheese out of spiders, anyway?
This link contains a good summary of how to make cheese using spiders. Well, cheese mites, but they do have eight legs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milbenk%C3%A4se
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dov
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9/3/2017
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Daedalus_Falk wrote:
Aniline wrote:
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Is there any way to cancel a chess match if it isn't your turn? My partner hasn't been online in a month, leaving me in a lurch and unable to play with others. I've contacted support, but I have yet to hear back from them - how long do they normally take to reply to tickets?
Yes, you can cancel a chess game from your Lodgings in the Watchfulness storylet.
I thought so too, but....
Yes, that's an issue with all multi-step social actions. You can cancel, but not if the match/sparring/whatever has reached its final step. That's the stage in which one of the participants (usually the one who initiated the activity to begin with) needs to just play the action which concludes the match and applies the results/rewards/penalties to both players.
Presumably it's so that people don't realize they've already lost and cancel/withdraw before the results are applied.
However, this has two problems:
- 1. As you've noticed, if one player just doesn't respond anymore, both are stuck in this match.
- 2. It's possible to know where you stand in the match even before that final step, so this doesn't "protect" against all abuse anyway.
This would have been solved (or at least greatly mitigated) if it was possible to engage multiple other players simultaneously.
For now, you have no alternative but to await FBG support to manually free you. They are usually very responsive, but there's a high variance (i.e. they might respond within the same day, or it might take weeks). If it's been a while, I suggest that you send them a followup email to query about it.
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John Moose
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9/1/2017
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I'm moderately sure stealing journals of infamy in Flit (Thefts of particular character) and then sideconverting them is the optimal method. Besides doing the Affaif of the Box which gives 6 plaques per cycle, being a great grind EPA-wise but making you wait quite a while before you reach your plaque-goals.
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Aniline
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John Moose wrote:
I'm moderately sure stealing journals of infamy in Flit (Thefts of particular character) and then sideconverting them is the optimal method.
Yes, it's much better than any normal upconverting and as good as A Presumptuous Little Opportunity, provided you have a gang of hoodlums for casing gain and don't fail. The breakeven is at about 165 Shadowy: lower than that, and it's better to grind Clues or Jade and upconvert (provided the asterisked suspiciously good UB results on the wiki are correct).
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Diptych
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Forty-something spider-like mites in the cheese; forty-something spider-like mites... grab a mite, take a big bite; forty-something-minus-one spider like mites in the cheese!
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Arandia
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9/2/2017
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Arandia wrote:
(On grinding Correspondence Plaques)
Splendid, thank you all for the great advice! I will give it a try straightaway. I had a feeling that my Primordial Shrieks-gathering method couldn't really be it, EPA-wise.
And while Affair of the Box IS indeed my money grind of choice, it is currently too slow for me regarding Plaques - I am eager to get ahead with Scholar of the Correspondence, and that eats up Plaques faster that the Affair of the Box can give them to me in the short run.
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Dudebro Pyro
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9/2/2017
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If I'm understanding you right, you don't need K&C to get counterfeit heads - you just need to have your plant be below level 19, then one of the cards allows you to harvest its fruits.
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dov
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9/2/2017
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Daedalus_Falk wrote:
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If they accept (and they don't have to), they are treated to the most gruesome text in all Fallen London (and that includes Jack-of-Smiles and Seeking) as they slowly eat and enjoy all parts of the head.
It really should come with a warning.
I don't suppose you have a link to an echo? Since K&C is shuttered, I don't know of any other way to see it.
You were warned :-)
enjoy.
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gronostaj
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9/2/2017
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Kaijyuu wrote:
I always got the impression that the fruits just look like a random european dude and people just started calling them heads of John the Baptist for some reason. Remember that the real John would look rather middle eastern, not like a white guy.
yeah, but i'm assuming the plants didn't know john personally so if they would do it on purpose, they'd probably have based it off the most popular depictions. actually, it looks a lot like the head in the seville cathedral museum. almost twins, really
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Daedalus_Falk
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Aniline wrote:
Daedalus_Falk wrote:
Is there any way to cancel a chess match if it isn't your turn? My partner hasn't been online in a month, leaving me in a lurch and unable to play with others. I've contacted support, but I have yet to hear back from them - how long do they normally take to reply to tickets?
Yes, you can cancel a chess game from your Lodgings in the Watchfulness storylet.
I thought so too, but....
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Tozh Taurog
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8/29/2017
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Tay1or wrote:
I'm going to be making a run at 14 notability--with BDR, I need 45 Making Waves. I already have big stockpiles of Visions of the Surface and Gossip. I've bought a ton of honey and converted it to notions, and like I did last week, I'm going to spend a couple days in Polythreme grabbing more. My question is this: is it more effective to just convert the notions to visions 500 at a time and get to the carousel quicker, or will I actually get more making waves converting a big pile of romantic notions 50 at a time? Thanks for any advice you can give--
You get 2CP from converting them 50 at a time, which is a bit better than the carousel average - but less than if you were only using the "lucrative" parts of the carousel. So if you have enough Visions and Gossip (plus Visions that you will get from Notions) - then the 500 will get you there faster. But if you'll have to get into the "slow" parts of the carousel then... er... it depends on how much? You also get bonuses on success of up-conversion, and I think there's something good on rare success, too, if you care for the profit.
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dov
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8/30/2017
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Waterpls wrote:
I am looking for my Next Big Goal and cannot decide between Salon and Orphanage. What are the pros and cons of each of them?
Stat-wise, the Orphanage gives one more point of BDR (though not more than God's Editors Affiliation). It also gives a small Watchful bonus, compared to the Salon's Persuasive.
Beyond that, they are used to build up Scheme to later get huge boosts of MW. In the Orphanage you raise Scheme by spending a lot of money (and optionally Favors: Urchins). In the Salon you use Favours with either Society or the Bohemians.
Another difference of note: the Orphanage let's you get (for Fate) the Laconic Prodigy, who's a pretty awesome companion (+10 to all stats except Persuasive). You keep her around even if you later get rid of your Orphanage.
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dov
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Waterpls wrote:
Is it useful for reaching last levels of Notability? My BDR is only 26 and its a huge pain.
Definitely, with patience and resources.
Once you build your Scheme enough, you can use various options (depending on the Airs) to get significant MW boosts in one action.
For example, inviting the Duchess to your Salon can give you more than 800 CP of MW.
The overkill option is to invite the Princess, which does cost 1 Fate, but gives you enough MW for any level of Notability, all almost any BDR (best estimate is that she gives several thousand CP of MW).
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Màiread
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8/30/2017
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Waterpls wrote:
dov wrote:
Waterpls wrote:
I am looking for my Next Big Goal and cannot decide between Salon and Orphanage. What are the pros and cons of each of them? Beyond that, they are used to build up Scheme to later get huge boats of MW. In the Orphanage you raise Scheme by spending a lot of money (and optionally Favors: Urchins). In the Salon you use Favours with either Society or the Bohemians.
Is it useful for reaching last levels of Notability? My BDR is only 26 and its a huge pain.
It's worth noting that the Salon is probably better for later MW levels - the most expensive non-fate salon option gives either 650 or 850 CP MW, whereas the various orphanage options give 200 CP at most. The most cost effective method (scheme for MW) is inviting a correspondent or crooked cross to perform, so if you're going to stick to that it doesn't matter whether you chose the orphanage or salon since the options are equivalent. The orphanage does have the option to buy the laconic prodigy for fate, too.
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xKiv
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9/1/2017
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Arandia wrote:
Is there a better way (in terms of EPA) for grinding Correspondence Plaques than via Primordial Shrieks from Unfinished Business in Ladybones Road?
Breed hyaenas (fungus+prayer) and mass upconvert the maniac prayers. This assumes you can 100% the "find the way yourself", and either have cheap way to get to 5 nightmares or are converting in large bulk. It's only 6% better than JoI thefts + sideconversion.
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Kaijyuu
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9/1/2017
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Doing Affair of the Box may be more efficient, depending on what your standard grind is. For many their standard grind IS Affair of the Box, so plaques are essentially free with patience.
For a Spirifer, each plaque obtained by AotB "costs" ~25 pence. In other words, the 14 actions spent for a single cycle nets you 1.54 less echoes than would have been obtained by the spirifer grind and 6 plaques. This may work out to be less pricey than more direct methods of obtaining plaques, though certainly will take longer.
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Anchovies
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9/1/2017
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"A tradition developed after the fall" (Ladybones UB) pays out in Greyfields 1882 with a rare success for an Aeolian Scream. From my limited personal experience it seems to be a 5-10% chance, and it's worth building up a stock of Greyfields 1882 for the Bohemians faction card.
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Anchovies
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9/2/2017
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Aniline wrote:
The University, what should I definitely do before I get kicked out? It's a fun place but I'd outgrown it grinding FWoA and want to progress the story. Investigations in the University is useful for the first two stages of the Wars of Illusion: "The Heights of Chicanery" and "Bats and Cats", both in the Flit. The progress options in THoC and BaC give up to +3 cp per action, while university investigations can provide +4 cp and £1.06 per action. Once the Wars of Illusion leave the Flit, you can finish up the university investigations without losing anything; I don't believe I've used the Investigating... quality since completing that storyline, except in Polythreme.
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Kaijyuu
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9/2/2017
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I'd stay in the University forever. There aren't any particularly cool things past it, unless you really like visiting some obscure islands at zee.
The current best grind in the game requires staying at the University, too. It's as follows:
- Some combination of http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Interview_the_Department_of_staff and http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Conduct_forensic_analyses to get 5 Investigating levels.
- http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Raid_a_Message-drop to cash in Investigating.
- http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/A_bag_of_low-quality_diamonds to turn your Cryptic Clues into diamonds at a profit.
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Waterpls
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9/2/2017
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Turning C.Clues to diamonds is only 1.4 EpA. What is the point?
Update.
With rare success:
1% - 1.52 EpA
2% - 1.64 EpA
3% - 1.77 EpA
What is the % of Rare Success?
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navchaa
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9/2/2017
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Waterpls wrote:
Turning C.Clues to diamonds is only 1.4 EpA. What is the point?
Update.
With rare success:
1% - 1.52 EpA
2% - 1.64 EpA
3% - 1.77 EpA
What is the % of Rare Success?
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I think it's around 5%, which makes it a decent EPA.
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dov
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9/2/2017
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It indeed seems to be 5%.
(at least, in my 1471 recorded attempts I've got the rare success 5.44%).
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dov
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navchaa wrote:
What happens when you serve up dinner with a John the Baptist head?
If they accept (and they don't have to), they are treated to the most gruesome text in all Fallen London (and that includes Jack-of-Smiles and Seeking) as they slowly eat and enjoy all parts of the head.
It really should come with a warning.
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Waterpls
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Wow, with 5% it is 2.02 EpA. Outstanding.
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Dudebro Pyro
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Gather a sufficient amount of people, and you will find someone willing to do anything. FL's player base is large enough, and the requirements for a chess-match are low enough (read: almost nonexistent) that, if there's a way to abuse it, it will be abused every now and then.
What I can't help but wonder is why would that be "abuse", since IIRC even if you lose a match you gain some rewards - and I don't remember any accompanying menaces, qualities tracking losses, or other penalties. So the only reason to run from a match would be to spite your opponent. I honestly wonder whether that's a real problem, or whether FBG are just over-engineering to fix things that don't need fixing, to the detriment of everyone's convenience.
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Suhe Gul
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9/3/2017
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did the revolutionaries finally blow up the bazaar or something? Game is breaking up when I go to story tab. anyone else having such problem?
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Gonen
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9/3/2017
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Suhe Gul wrote:
did the revolutionaries finally blow up the bazaar or something? Game is breaking up when I go to story tab. anyone else having such problem?
Only the Paper Door again, it will be fixed soon.
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The same mechanic is used for Sparring (lethal or not) and also for the election debates. And in those cases there were penalties for losing, so I understand their reason for blocking withdrawing at the last step. But it's still a problem with these mechanics.
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