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Wasn't me, profile here if you want to congratulate him: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/ebzfan
(and he did not need 215 in all stats at the same time)
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Gonen
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The doors to the Paramount Club are opened by you. Please light the fire and prepare the sherry for the rest of us who follows.
So you're saying the reward for being first is to become a butler?
A PARAMOUNT BUTLER
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So to answer the inevitable question of how I got the notability so quickly:
- I had N15 before PP came out, so that was a quick specialization (Blood)
- I had Salon 36 (~660+ cp) stored up for no reason (raising salon to no end is kinda my thing - I once got 100 Scheme only to burn it all to get the Laconic Prodigy, haha)
- I had a substantial stockpile of 0.5e items (over 3000)
- I mostly used the Crooked-Cross salon invite (thanks, Lallinka!)
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Gonen wrote:
The doors to the Paramount Club are opened by you. Please light the fire and prepare the sherry for the rest of us who follows.
So you're saying the reward for being first is to become a butler?
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alan.huang
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dov wrote:
Likewise, I'd expect a PP to be able to act as patron for all stats.
I can mentor in D+S combined, as well as P+W combined. There's also a hansom ride that gives +15 cp MW to the recipient and +10 cp MW to the sender (anyone who is the patron of another).
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The Paramount Presence multiple overcap is now live on An Unsigned Message! But be aware - while it currently says in the italicised note that "It will not decrease any stat that is already higher than 200 plus your Notability", it does not in fact work that way. Right now it just sets all stats to 200+N regardless.
EDIT: This appears to only be true on the app. On the website version it all works as advertised. Thanks to Olivia for the swift reply!
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Saklad
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8/11/2017
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Paramount Presences should be able to do literally anything that one of the four stat specializations can. That’s what it is all about, right? Jack of all trades, and master of them too.
Flirting with the Amanuensis should be locked to “Legendary Charisma” or “Paramount Presence”. All of the overcapping storylets should be accessible as well. Doing this requires reaching the absolute height of each stat and specialization, and it is utterly absurd that anyone who has done less can do more here. This is the ultimate accomplishment as far as skill goes, and it should be recognized as such.
Surely this wouldn’t be difficult to fix? Unless I’m wrong about how StoryNexus is built, it should be relatively trivial to filter out all the storylets that require one of the four PoSI specializations but not Paramount Presence, then add the latter to them. Since a Paramount Presence is simultaneously all four specializations, you could leave the context unchanged without being contradictory.
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Kaijyuu wrote:
If one highly values keeping stats at 215 without having to regrind them then there is no choice. I'm the opposite, so instead I've never bothered to overcap stats. But anyone who values both to any degree is going to chafe, especially since it's so arbitrary and blatantly gamey in a narrative based game.
#1: You've begged the question. "If anyone highly values keeping stats at 215 without having to regrind them" is basically saying, "If anyone highly values having his cake and eating it, too." It's assuming your point before it's made. The condition should be, "If anyone highly values keeping stats at 215," and then we can talk about whether access to the Nadir, etc. is more or less valuable than never having to grind Notability 15 again. This is, in fact, a viable choice, and different people will fall differently on it. This is particularly true, given that we're talking about a game where sacrificing a well-beloved long-term character and slowly destroying everything you've built up over a few years of play is a popular pastime.
#2: The potential to damage one's stats is not "arbitrary and blatantly gamey." What magic of being a Paramount Presence protects you from irrigo? Are you really so charismatic that you can eat live bats in public without consequence? A Paramount Presence is still human (well, most of you are) and still subject to natural law as it exists in the Neath. That a Paramount Presence can ride the top of the wave with a quarter the work of anyone else is already a little "gamey," but it's also a logical and impactful reward for having repeatedly achieved 215.
When Paramount Presence was first introduced (i.e. the first few pages of this topic), there were a lot of complaints that a Paramount Presence was locked out of the ability to rebuild stats to 215. This was indeed a major issue, so much so that it was generally assumed this must've been an oversight to be shortly corrected. What we expected, by and large, was that Failbetter would give Paramount Presences access to all four of the preexistent stat-cappling storylets. If they had done so at the beginning, or perhaps the next day after, as a sort of patch, then in all likelihood we wouldn't still be having this conversation. Instead, though we had to wait for it, they did us one better: giving us the ability to improve all four stats at the same time. That's a huge difference, and one that should mean something to those who had just had to do the grind four times in order to achieve it. Again, if this had been rolled out along with Paramount Presence, I think it would have been the talk of the town (favours in high places optional). Alas, it was not, and rather than allaying dissatisfaction, this benefit seems to have increased it. (It is rather like extending a deadline in class; students who never said anything to me about the original deadline start grumbling that I didn't extend it enough.)
For my part, the ability of Paramount Presences to restore all four of their abilities at once has what made me finally decide to begin the process. I had been waiting until I'd gotten everything I wanted from the Nadir (because I wasn't about to contemplate hitting Notability 15 four times for each round of playing lucky dip in the purple), but the ability to overcap each stat, lock in the needed quality, and then move on knowing that I can catch all of it up in a go once I've finished both the PP grind and my Nadir goals (and do so again if chance or choice damages my stats later) simplifies the process dramatically. It is now a reasonable medium-term goal with a doable (if sill not negligible) upkeep.
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dov
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8/22/2017
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An update to the requirements to get London's Sinew:
You no longer need Social Influence 100. The new requirement is 90.
(the other options' requirements are the same)
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8/11/2017
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Gonen wrote:
A PARAMOUNT BUTLER
Already have one of those. Sets guests at ease. Always makes sure the table's set. Forbids murder during dinner except between the main course and dessert. Can advise on the proper fork etiquette for Knife and Candle. I really should invite you over some time.
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alan.huang
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It looks like the specific specializations are inaccessible once you reach PP, though I'm not certain.
Interestingly, you don't lose your London's X qualities when you reach PP, and the storylet to become a PP is still open for me, so maybe they'll allow you to step down to a different specialization. It might already be the case, though I haven't found it.
I doubt they put in a branch to allow PPs to flirt. Maybe it'll be changed eventually.
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First of all: congratulations!
I wonder what the mechanical effects are, in cases that today require a specific specialization.
E.g it would make sense for Paramount Presence to be able to overcap any stat via the Unsigned Message card. Likewise, I'd expect a PP to be able to act as patron for all stats.
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Now, my choices are a) not play PP b) play it and often grind Notability 15 c) lose the Nadir.
I understand the frustration with the Notability getting. But I'd like to point out that you have another option: d) get to PP then go as usual to the Nadir (i.e. let your stats drop naturally at that point).
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
I am rather dissapointed to be honest. To play this branch (which offers no mechanical benefit though this is the least of my concern) you have to forego content like the Nadir and a few other cards
I don't really follow.
Becoming a Paramount Presence doesn't make you forgo content. If you *choose* to maintain your artificially overcapped stats, then the implication is that you're stopping yourself temporarily from a few options.
You're not locked out of anything by *being* a PP. Not moreso, anyway, than the "regular" overcap ability of POSI.
If someone is an Extraordinary Mind and has overcapped their Watchful (e.g. to get Courier's Footprint, or raise Renown: The Church), then as long as they want to maintain that extra Watchful they should avoid stat-reducing actions like the Nadir. But the game doesn't lock them out of anything. And if they are later OK with letting their Watchful drop back down to 200, they can always overcap if/when they choose.
The same goes for Paramount Presence. You need to overcap to get the qualities you need to get this special POSI level. But once you get it, it's your choice whether you want to maintain the 215 stats or not. You can always overcap them later if you choose (all 4 in one go!).
Some people let their stats drop from 215 the minute they got the relevant quality (e.g. London's Nerves), before even becoming PP.
It's all about player choice and having options. Now that they've fixed the problem of PP's ability to overcap again when needed, there no downside to it (and not much benefit either).
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Kaijyuu wrote:
Just a side note, but "choice" is a loaded word...
I don't think so. For instance, you cannot trade in Eyeless Skulls with advancing the Liberation of Night. You cannot get rid of Jack-of-Smiles for good without removing a number of very useful options. Likewise, the choice to keep all stats at 215 makes it impossible to visit the Nadir.
I think FL is for the most part very lenient about player choices. There are very few things that really have permanent consequences. It's just that sometimes you cannot have it all at once. I would also love to keep all stats at 215 *and* go to the Nadir. But apparently I am not that high on the Chain that I cannot defy the effects of a place that not even the Judgements can penetrate.
Edit: It seems dov and I are part of a hive mind 
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dov
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Kaijyuu wrote:
If one highly values keeping stats at 215 without having to regrind them then there is no choice.
And that *is* the player's choice.
There are players who are resolute to never aid the Liberation. Because of that, they can't take certain actions (up-converting Luminosity items, calling in Favours with the Revolutionaries, etc.). Does this mean that the game blocks them from taking those actions?
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Siankan
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Exactly. Getting to 215 then losing it often is what irks me; if my achievements were enough for PP without the overcapping, it would be great.
As Dov pointed out, there's nothing forcing you to obsessively keep all your stats at 215 at all times. Indeed, the Paramount Presence process is designed so that you don't have to. You only have to reach Watchful 215 to get London's Nerves; you don't lose the achievement if you don't keep Watchful at that level. Similarly, Paramount Presence itself doesn't require you to have 215 in anything; it just requires you to have gotten there at some point in the past. Paramount Presence makes it easier for those who wish to keep all their stats overcapped, but it isn't otherwise linked to them at all.
In mechanical terms, there is practically no difference between 214 and 215 in a stat; by this point you've already made most challenges 100% (esp. with equipment), and the really difficult ones aren't significantly impacted by a one-point change in stats. If you're careful with your irrigo management, it will be months before you've traveled to the Nadir enough to drag your stats down to 213 (three and a quarter if you always exit with Irrigo 5). After a year or so, at that rate, your stats would have degraded all the way down to the shamefully low level of... 211. It would take nearly four years to bring your stats all the way down to the natural cap. If you were interested in keeping stats elevated, one could probably find time in four years to give them a booster shot. Otherwise, you could just let it fall down naturally; you'd still be a Paramount Presence. (Indeed, you'd still be a Paramount Presence if you found a way to lower all your stats to zero and then started hanging out with a chatty rat.)
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dov wrote:
alan.huang wrote:
Has it been confirmed that this is intended behaviour?
I hope that this is just a small thing they've overlooked and just isn't prioritized very high yet, compared to other tasks (given that this affects under 10 people at the moment).
I received my reply a few days ago,and it contains 'near future' and 'fairly busy right now' in it.
So don't let down your hopes!
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Gonen
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
To be fair, they did say that they prioritize content based on how many people have access - Ambitions are on the backburner because they don't have enough people at the content boundary, too, so I don't think PP is a priority.
Right, I understand that. But it seems rather disappointing to release the years expected content without much behind it (or even with a minor downgrade). I would rather wait another year and get it all in one piece, just to avoid that anticlimax.
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
To be fair, they did say that they prioritize content based on how many people have access - Ambitions are on the backburner because they don't have enough people at the content boundary, too, so I don't think PP is a priority.
Add a revised Hallowmas (previous one being mostly a Notability grind) and Sunless Skies on top of it... Well, if you can rein it in and not go to Nadir during the Notability race, you can do it for longer. It's really just the Nadir, anyway.
It makes sense in the PP context, especially with everything else they have going on right now, but I've always felt the 'proportional priorities' things is slightly self-fulfilling; personally, my girlfriend and I have never bothered to reach the content boundary of the ambitions precisely because they are unfinished (I've delayed with Màiread since I'm planning to switch from Light Fingers and haven't got around to drinking the tea yet, but our other characters are mostly on penultimate steps but prioritising other grinds). I find I lose the thread of the story after months away, and I'd rather play it in a oner so I know what the heck is going on.
Still, back on topic, it's probably safe to assume that there's a reason for not employing the 'either/or' logic and that unique options will at some point be forthcoming.
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9/8/2017
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The card should have an option for PP to just raise all 4 at one go, and not deal with the limitations of the system. Spares them of the duplication, and gives a nice benefit to the successful grinders.
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8/11/2017
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Congratulations, ebzfan!
Our first, known, legit, PP!
We have waited very long for this moment.
The doors to the Paramount Club are opened by you. Please light the fire and prepare the sherry for the rest of us who follows.
Very good job!
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9/7/2017
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Saklad wrote:
I still find it ridiculous that Paramount Presence is not capable of everything the lesser specializations are. The fact that you cannot change it once you get it would imply that it is supposed to be superior in every way.
Yes, it is kind of strange. Not in a good way either.
The fact that you can't overcap your stats anymore once you're a PP is very troubling to me. If I go to the Nadir or lose stats in any way, I can't raise them past 200 any longer using the Unsigned Message options (which you could do as a specialized PoSi). Plus, once you're a PP, the option to change your PoSI status (A Reputation of Some Importance: Another Way) disappears from the "Attend to Matter of Society" storylet. So once you're a Paramount Presence there's no going back. It'd be kind of silly to do so, but still... Then there's also the fact that you can't Flirt with the Amanuensis.
It was a lot of work to attain the PP status, but you actually end up with less than what you had as a specialized PoSI. Doesn't make sense really. Unless FB plans on "fixing" it so that PP has the abilities of all of the other PoSI statuses, I really don't think it's worth it other than simply saying you did it.
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8/20/2017
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Gonen wrote:
Flirt with the Amanuensis - is still locked to PP.
Guess this is here to stay..
Pity, that.
Has anyone filed a bug report and received an official answer if this is intended?
In my opinion, it makes no gameplay or narrative sense for a Paramount Presence to be blocked from other POSI actions.
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9/2/2017
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Finished!
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I still find it ridiculous that Paramount Presence is not capable of everything the lesser specializations are. The fact that you cannot change it once you get it would imply that it is supposed to be superior in every way.
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alan.huang wrote:
Has it been confirmed that this is intended behaviour?
The last I saw was the Gonen has not yet received any response from FBG on his bug report.
And I definitely also agree this is a bug. (and if it's intended it's a bug in the design).
Unlike the Heptagoat (which is a different creature than the Ubergoats), being Paramount Presence literally means that you must also first be all the other POSI specializations. e.g., if your last specialization of the four was Legendary Charisma, you don't have to renounce it to becomes a Paramount Presence. To it makes no narrative sense for you to be locked out of Charismatic options (e.g. flirting with the Amanuensis) you had a minute before.
I hope that this is just a small thing they've overlooked and just isn't prioritized very high yet, compared to other tasks (given that this affects under 10 people at the moment).
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8/22/2017
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That's excellent news! 90 is far less fiddly to get to.
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8/11/2017
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Saklad wrote:
Paramount Presences should be able to do literally anything that one of the four stat specializations can. That’s what it is all about, right? Jack of all trades, and master of them too.
Agree. Weird...
Truly believe they'll change that..
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8/11/2017
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Saklad wrote:
You know, I sort of wish Society and Bohemians didn’t get converted recently.
The Salon was a textbook example of why Favours/Renown is better than Connected, but I now have to choose between maxing Renown and stockpiling more Scheme: A Salon for my run at Paramount Presence. That conflict is intended, of course, but still.
Salon seems like a particularly good example of why I disliked Connected: since I had to keep throwing away my Connected for it, it was as if I'd never reached the heights of Society at all. Even though I was constantly throwing these salons that made me famous!
The way you gain Renown is still silly, but at least it persists.
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8/19/2017
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Right.
So let's take this thing for a test drive, eh?
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8/11/2017
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Paramount Presences cannot currently flirt with the Amanuensis.
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I don't suppose it's made you invincible to the Nadir or otherwise lastingly raised your stat caps, has it?
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To be fair, they did say that they prioritize content based on how many people have access - Ambitions are on the backburner because they don't have enough people at the content boundary, too, so I don't think PP is a priority.
Add a revised Hallowmas (previous one being mostly a Notability grind) and Sunless Skies on top of it... Well, if you can rein it in and not go to Nadir during the Notability race, you can do it for longer. It's really just the Nadir, anyway.
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It doesn't cut you off from thing, anymore than any of the regular POSI specializations do.
Your are cut off from things if you want to preserve your overcap stats (which is natural, since they were hard to gain) not by being PP.
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You have to build notability up to 15 again, but you only have to do it once to set all stats to 215.
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
How do you make the cap permanent? If you lose a bit of your stats (say through the Nadir) you have to spend notability AGAIN to go back to 215. Correct? Or can you also go back to the 215 you achieved the normal way, by playing several challenges, with Notability providing an instant fix in case you do not want to grind?
I am not sure what other game locks you out of so much content for no reason at all.
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There's no way to change the cap. All the new option does is overcap all four stats at once; you still have to grind just the same.
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Kaijyuu
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9/7/2017
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A bit of copy/paste should be solve the problem; two separate storylets that look identical to the user except the requirements. They have the capacity to hide options that is separate from the unlock requirements, so there needn't be two identical storylets next to each other, either.
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Siankan
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1/27/2018
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Every visit to the Nadir drops my stats by 2 points, so it would take two months, not four years, to get back to 200.
Ah, you must be staying in the Nadir until it kicks you out. Much is thereby explained.
If irrigo is 5 or less when you leave, then you lose 1 CP of each stat per point of irrigo. (What I meant by "careful with irrigo management" was exiting the Nadir when your irrigo hits 5.)
If irrigo is 6-9, then you lose 5 CP of each stat, up to 45 CP, or roughly half a level. This is considerably more troublesome.
If irrigo hits 10 and you are forced from the Nadir, then you lose 100 CP of each stat, which is nearly a level and a half. If that's been your modus operandi, then yes, maintaining overcapped stats must be a nightmare. So must keeping any stats at all. I have to confess, I'm now curious what your secret has been for keeping your stats up in the face of a weekly drain like that.
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Rostygold
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1/26/2018
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Skinnyman wrote:
Is it always your desire to get better/permanent bonuses/EPA?  Plus, you can make it permanent.
I want to clarify that I would have preferred that Paramount Presence's reward is a permanent cap raise to 215. But... the CP levelling follows the default scaling, e.g. to get to 201, you need 201 CPs - or maybe an even steeper scale, just to balance it against the effort of the Notability grind.
I am going to send some feedback to Failbetter.
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Siankan
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1/18/2018
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
If, after becoming a Paramount Presence, you visit the Nadir and suffer a stat loss, presumably you can re-build your stats. But how do you do that? Do you have to set a new "specialization" for one stat, build up your Notability in that stat to the level of your old stat (e.g., Notability of 15 if you want to raise a stat to 215) and then repeat that for each of the four major stats?
As of Barse's news, a Paramount Presence can raise all four stats at once.
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1/20/2018
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Rostygold wrote:
I would like to do this if the "London's Something" titles actually do something gameplay-wise - like permanently increasing the maximum cap from 200 to 215.
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Not everything has to give an ingame bonus! People should be more than pleased with the first released option for PP. Let's say some/many/all PP wish to boost their renown to maximum possible. Now, a new best in slot item won't make PP put on a poker face! Got that extra 1 level of a stat with offers you the possibility to increase renown; just over-cap again!
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1/17/2018
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As long as you're using the web game, it doesn't mess up any stats above 200/215/whatever. It works exactly as advertised - any stats above 200 + [current N] remain unaffected.
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Tyrconnell
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1/18/2018
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It would be a nice PP perk if there were a less crushing grind to keep stats at 215. You've done the great Notability grind. You've earned it! I say this as someone who isn't anywhere near becoming paramount anytime soon.
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Siankan
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1/18/2018
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Tyrconnell wrote:
It would be a nice PP perk if there were a less crushing grind to keep stats at 215.
You mean like being able to top up all four at once, rather than having to do them individually like non-PP peons?
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1/18/2018
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Tay1or wrote:
I hate to always be the player who posts to say "I don't understand..." but here I go again.
Does this mean that once we earn PP, if we accidentally get one down to 214, we have any option to bring it up again? I'm not clear on why folks are worried it affects something else--
I'm currently grinding to 15 Notability for the Legendary Dangerous, which will be my third of four. But since my Shadowy is only at 145, PP is still aways off for me.
Imagine you have three stats at 215 and, say, Watchful at 200. You need a boost to Watchful, say for Renown, but are not so bothered about it being a full 15 level boost. Say, Watchful 206 is enough for you. So you spend 6 Notability. On the mobile all 4 of your states will be set to 206. So your 215 Dangerous, Shadowy and Persuasive will be lost and you'll need to grind back to 15 notability for them. On the browser that is not the case and only your Watchful will be set to 206, keeping the other stats safe
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9/7/2017
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Gonen wrote:
Got my reply today:
"We're considering doing something with the specialisation-locked branches for Paramount Presence in future, but we don't have any way to let Paramount Presences play them at the moment."
Strange that they don't. Either there is something bigger in their plans, or I am missing something, as 'either one of these qualities or items' logic had been used, for example, in the 'Legendary Charisma' Barrister storylet (frock or gown).
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dov
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9/7/2017
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Kharsirr Lynx wrote:
I received my reply a few days ago,and it contains 'near future' and 'fairly busy right now' in it.
Ah, that's good to hear. Thanks for the update!
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9/13/2017
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May I request you to kindly add my name to the list.. 😀😀
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9/14/2017
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Mr. Secrets wrote:
So I have a question folks, gaining PP has been a goal of mine since I heard of it so I never specialized just in case it might prevent it. However now that it is out, how would you achieve 215 in all 4 stats (even without having them all at the same time) ever? Last I checked you could not swap from 1 Specialization to another, and the Unsigned Message options are rather notably locked off without the correct specialization.
You can change you POSI specialization at your lodgings (under Attend to Matters of Society) for 12 Notability or Fate.
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9/7/2017
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Kharsirr Lynx wrote:
as 'either one of these qualities or items' logic had been used, for example, in the 'Legendary Charisma' Barrister storylet (frock or gown).
That only works for two different qualities (of which items are a specialization), not two different value of the same quality. The engine knows how to ask for zero, not zero (in which case the tooltip lists all known values, at least for qualities with text descriptions of values), at most N, at least N, exactly N. I imagine the engine has a specific safeguard against testing the same quality twice, so they cannot do "q=A or q=B".
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alan.huang
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8/11/2017
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dov wrote:
Also, a wiki oriented question: what's the name of the image used for the PP storylet?
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dov
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8/11/2017
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Thanks for the info!
This seems very nice indeed. Just wondering about the ability to overcap (as I said, it'd make sense to be able to choose any stat to overcap).
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8/11/2017
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Have you noticed any new options or opportunities now available to you? And are you still able to overcap?
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Also, a wiki oriented question: what's the name of the image used for the PP storylet?
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8/11/2017
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Tystefy wrote:
Interesting. Their portrait looks unique.
How so? That's one of the standard ones.
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8/11/2017
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Interesting. Their portrait looks unique.
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8/11/2017
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IHNIWTR wrote:
so if you didn't need 215 in all stats, what were the actual requirements?
I understand that he did not need them all at the same time, only when wanting to gain the relevant quality (London's blood, Nerve etc.)
So one can gain the Watchful 215 quality (Nerve) and let it drop while getting another stat up to 215 (e.g. going to the Nadir and losing the Watchful 215)
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8/11/2017
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Is it possible to regain a PoSI specialization after attaining Paramount Presence? If not, I don't think I'll bother with it. If I choose Shattering Force and forgo being a paragon of Shadowy, Persuasive, or Watchful, the next step up should not be "Shattering Force, plus the other bunk you chose to skip".
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8/23/2017
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I am 1/4 the way there... Honestly, grinding the notability is going to be the hardest part; most of the individual requirements I already have save for the 215 stats.
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8/23/2017
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A new PP option that did not work properly -
(Invite a patron to a private hansom ride.
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Is now working. (Fixed after bug submission: thank you for a rapid reply, tech team!).
It raises for the sender MW (somewhere, perhaps, between 6-10 cp? Raised from 5 MW to 6 MW and another action raised it to 7 MW).
Koenig, would love to hear what you got! Treasure? only MW? Is it better than Invite to a Private Dinner? (which now costs items and several actions..).
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Yeah I've personally been discouraged from getting it due to this. Unlike, say, a Heptagoat, where you can just get another ubergoat to make up for the stat loss, PP seems to permanently inhibit your character's stats and options.
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8/20/2017
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Look here.
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