Diptych
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7/31/2017
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Here's this week's thread for quick questions!
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Teaspoon
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8/4/2017
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I had this rather epic dream in which I was playing a game of Civilisation custom-tailored for Fallen London, in which you play the Bazaar over thousands of years, trying to develop cities towards the perfect love story, protecting your city from attacks by the previous cities you've so carefully built up and discarded, there's a secret losing condition in which Mr Eaten consumes everything in the Neath, etc.
The peculiar thing about this is, I've never actually played Civilisation. Does anyone know how daft this would be as a mod?
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aegisaglow
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8/8/2017
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osberend wrote:
ETA: This is, I suppose, at least as much of an argument as a question. But it does have a question at its core, i.e., "why does FBG have this policy?" The arguments are there primarily to indicate common replies that I feel don't make sense without more detail, e.g., "we don't want bot users to have an unfair advantage, same as all the MMORPGs that ban bots" strikes me as unconvincing in the absence of an explanation of what sort of advantage FBG is worried about people gaining, given that the usual advantages that bots give in MMORPGs and the like don't apply.
You're forgetting elections, which would pretty much be ruined by bots. Likewise, it would shutter any hope of Knife and Candle returning in any form.
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Diptych
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osberend, these threads are for quick questions that can be easily answered by your fellow players - for feedback directed to Failbetter, look to the Feedback thread. Also, I'm only a community moderator and can't speak for Failbetter, but I will say that they're entitled to create the rules for playing their games - whether or not you find them convincing, please abide by them.
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Optimatum
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My general assumption for why bots are banned is that FBG doesn't want people to code a bot, leave for years, and come back to Cider and a Heptagoat. Long-term goals cease to be a difficult accomplishment when someone can complete them with a couple hours spent programming and some patience. It's unfair to anyone completing achievements as intended.
Also to answer your question osberend, administrators are labeled as such below their usernames. Failbetter employees also typically make their posts with colored text to stand out.
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WinterIV
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8/4/2017
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Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
A quick question raised by a discussion on a different page, is Mr Eaten's existence unique?
The whole line definetly started out with him being a one-ness, but now that the Fallen London universe has been put into context with the Judgments and the High Wilderness being full of things apparently, it seems hardly unlikely that other beings could have been unmade in a similar way.
Is the Neath particularly unique in that it allowed for the rending and the lacre-drowning and the god-eating, or are there several, ehr, Misters Eaten out there?
While I am sure that there are some very nasty "things" out there in Sunless Skies that won't die and have to be trapped in Wells, I do still feel that Mr. Eaten is a very unique situation. I don't think that any being on the same level of the Chain as the Masters will become something like Mr. Eaten when they are finally bumped off. After all, it would take a very foolish lawmaker to have being that working for it that it cannot eliminate.
A few key things that make this a special case:
A. We are in the Neath, remember? Things don't stay dead down here. The Laws don't always hold as firm here as they do in other places.
B. We are sharing a hedge with our lovely neighbor Parabola. On top of never returning our lawn mower, they also currently hold all things that "are not" and Mr. Eaten certainly is no more.
C. He was eaten.
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Aniline
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8/3/2017
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gronostaj wrote:
You can always stain your soul. But I wouldn't do that.
That would've been more believable if you didn't have A Bad End on the mantelpiece. 
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Wilhelm Klossner
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8/3/2017
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Aniline wrote:
That would've been more believable if you didn't have A Bad End on the mantelpiece.
I assume he knows better now. From experience.
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suinicide
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8/1/2017
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Another reason: they increased the price to make seeking even harder.
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Pumpkinhead
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8/1/2017
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When church switches over, does that mean wines converting is going to require favors? I fear that that would slow down grinding cellars of wine considerably.
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Sara Hysaro
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8/1/2017
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You'll be fine - I don't think the Iron Republic uses Intimate of Devils for anything, much less anything vital.
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Pumpkinhead
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8/1/2017
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Kaijyuu wrote:
Pumpkinhead wrote:
When church switches over, does that mean wines converting is going to require favors?.
Unfortunately, almost certainly. I thought some upconversions required renown instead but I couldn't find any and certainly all of the recently converted factions require favors.
Well, bugger. I guess I'll have to stockpile a bunch of cellars in the next... what, few days?
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Cthonius
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8/1/2017
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He is unique, that we know of, in that he was Eaten. The way his presence hangs is...somewhat unique. It's said Storm is a dead god, but we still experience it.
As well, as stated above in Skies we learn wells of a sort have been oft used to dispose of things...but they are presumably very different from Mr Eaten.
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Kaijyuu
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8/1/2017
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Definitely sell. The upconversion is bad.
So bad in fact, that the text grossly misleads you. Yes, you'll get more Cryptic Clues per hint than from converting through the Bazaar, but the Bazaar costs no actions. You'll have more money in the end by using the Bazaar and spending the actions you would have spent on the conversion on your standard grind instead.
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Aniline
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8/3/2017
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Is there a way to get rid of Intimate of Devils other than selling and recovering my soul? (And to think I paid Fate for it as a newb...)
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Kaijyuu
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8/3/2017
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Not entirely, no. You can get rid of the quality to minimize the number of cards, but then you'll still get the introduction card over and over again.
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gronostaj
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8/3/2017
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You can always stain your soul. But I wouldn't do that.
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Optimatum
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8/1/2017
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Possibly also to make sure you couldn't just go to the Deep Archives and buy one at a time from the Bazaar until you hit the right number. Though that's not actually possible these days.
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Sara Hysaro
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8/1/2017
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The change coincided with the introduction of a certain SMEN option requiring a very specific number of them, so that's a likely contributor to it.
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Anchovies
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8/1/2017
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gronostaj wrote:
why do the proscribed materials have such a scandalous buying/selling value ratio anyway? Here's my take on it.
Not all units of Proscribed Material are actually condemned by the Ministry; some of them are, some of them aren't, but all of them are the sort of writings which could be. The rate at which Crawcase buys them accounts for the fact that many will need to be turned over to the Ministry, probably without compensation. The price at which Crawcase sells them includes the cost of making sure that the volumes offered for sale are all Ministry-approved. Those volumes are still Proscribed Material, though, because a random Ministry inspector might confiscate them to check whether they're approved.
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Kaijyuu
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8/4/2017
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You can see the cycle at the top of the wiki pages of items in the cycle. Eg: http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/Bottle_of_Strangling_Willow_Absinthe
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Pumpkinhead
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8/5/2017
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Well, providing for Mr. Wines' revels gives you one, but it takes a lot of cards and only gives any if you have none.
Perhaps the proscribed materials card? Build up a bunch of them and turn them in once you draw the card, I think it's pretty frequent.
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a Nice Friend
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8/5/2017
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If you have a bit of FATE, there's a repeatable branch of the Mr. Wines revels story that costs 2 fate and grants a smidgen of masters connection (past 1) at the end if you treat Wines to his favourite thing (outside of questionable booze and dream scuffles and skimping on the bill).
You can also get a handful from Mr Sacks at Christmas but that's not very helpful to you at the moment, obviously!
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Tyrconnell
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8/5/2017
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You can get it from a relatively common rare success from the unusual opportunity card "The Interpreter of Dreams" (allow Dr Schlomo to publish your dreams of fire and ice).
You can also get up to Connected: The Masters 11 from the very expensive "A libraryette for Mr Pages" card. Either 1 CP for 10,000 Proscribed Materials or 3 CP for an assortment of rarer (but technically less valuable) goods.
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Màiread
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8/6/2017
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I'm currently trying to recover one of my character's souls via the raise the black flag option, but I find I'm drawing the card pretty rarely, especially since I have to keep making port to stop the deck getting crowded with troubled waters. Would I be better coming back to London and just hoping for One's Public? Anyone have any preferred soul recovery methods (other than Fate)?
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Kaijyuu
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8/7/2017
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1. No.
2. Cryptic Clues have the profitable conversion to diamonds, so my bet is on those. "Eavesdropping" in spite is the storylet.
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Jermaine Vendredi
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8/8/2017
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Tyrconnell wrote:
There are a very few non-repeatable story conclusions that give Renown: Hell. It's not really grindable except with a Bright Brass Skull. It's also not something that looks like you should be able to stumble into it; you're definitely dealing with Hell if you're getting renown.
It's possible there was a glitch in the transition. Those have been consistently a touch wonky.
That was my impression also. I'll drop a note to support and ask them.
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