gronostaj
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7/24/2017
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Is it too early to ask who'd like to take a stab (heh) at the new lethal sparring bouts mechanic? It's definitely too early. Still. The question stands.
Nothing can replace K&C in me heart, but it sounds like a good sorrow-soothing PvP substitute. For the illegal activities that I certainly never took part in because they're illegal and I'm a good and law-abiding citizien.
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Passionario
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7/26/2017
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Save a life. Stab a Cider-holder instead.
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gronostaj
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7/31/2017
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after a frankly scandalous amount of duels, this is how i think mechanic works. Correct me if i'm wrong;
1. the invited party accepts the challenge and chooses a tactic. If they chose the dangerous tactic, their dangerous score is measured against the inviting party's dangerous score, if the chose the shadowy tactic, their shadowy score is measured against the inviting party's shadowy score
2. each duelist chooses a tactic. if both parties choose the same tactic, their corresponding stats are measured (with bonus from empowerments. unclear how poweful those are. perhaps numeral value of dream level is added to corresponding stat? very likely there's a degree of luck involved in this step). if one party chooses a dangerous tactic, and the other party chooses shadowy tactic, it seems the chosen stats are measured against each other, ie dangerous stat is measured against the shadowy stat.
3. the inviting party chooses a tactic. similar to the first step, but this time it's the inviting party that chooses which stat is measured. possibly the previous round's empowerment bonuses are added as well? (if so, this allows for a nice damage control). At the end of the third step, the fight is resolved, the winner gets a ribbon and the loser gets a free ticked to mr Boatman's Wild Ride.
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Gonen
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7/29/2017
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Nigel Overstreet wrote:
For those who want Sanguine Ribbons, but don't want the guilt of sending someone to the Boatman, you can find a list of Cider owners here.
It only takes us one actions to remove all Wounds and move from the Boat to our Lodgings, so a loss means very little to us.
Yea, but you are hard as hell to beat =)
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Saklad
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7/29/2017
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dov wrote:
Note that losing a lethal sparring bout doesn't technically kill you. It just sets your Wounds to 8.
So you can still go to your inventory to drink a Tincture of Vigor, or to your message tab to accept a heal offer from a friend.
It can also burn your freaking Horsehead Amulets, even though you were all ready to go play chess with the Boatman.
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gronostaj
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7/29/2017
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Saklad wrote:
I doubt it’s mostly luck, except as a tie-breaker. The real question is whether stats or tactics are more important.
i'm thinking stats. the tactics dont seem to matter much except when choosing which stat (danger/shady) is measured against opponent's (corresponding? or chosen by an opponent?) stat. there's also certainly a degree of luck involved in that square-off. and then there are empowerments- but it's difficult for me to say whether choosing the dream empowerment empowers current bout, or the next one. it's sort of.... ambiguously worded
edit: my favourite tactics is gotta be the one from the dream of chess. "you could just hop on a horse and charge them down." think feducci will lend me a destrier if i ask really nicely? 
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A Dimness
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7/31/2017
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I'm feeling livid!
Quickly, someone punch me! With a weapon! A pointy weapon!
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suinicide
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7/31/2017
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They tend to respond a day or two, but they don't work during weekends, so that's the reason for the delay.
I imagine FBG is composed of experts at removing dead social actions by now.
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dov
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8/6/2017
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navchaa wrote:
Can anyone confirm whether the ribbons are taken from the losing player, i.e. a zero sum game, or is a new ribbon generated each duel?
ICountFrom0 and I have done a total of (I think) 6-7 games, of which I've won 4 and he's won 2-3. I have 2 ribbons and he has none. Is it a bug or is this how it's supposed to go?
A new Sanguine Ribbon is generated for the winner. Otherwise, no one could have won any to begin with (since there were none at first).
If you (or someone else) have won a lethal bout and have no Sanguine Ribbon then either it's a bug or you're mistaken. You should contact support.
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Shadowcthuhlu
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7/26/2017
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I'm willing to stab and be stabbed.
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suinicide
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7/25/2017
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I'd also like to stab some friends! Come one and come all!
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Arcanuse
Posts: 89
7/25/2017
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Sounds like quite the time.
One more lethal brawler for the club.
Edit: Warning to prospective brawlers, the system is... Unstable, at the moment. Message tab clutter is probable.
edited by Arcanuse on 7/25/2017
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hellaGumshoe
Posts: 76
7/25/2017
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Yeah, both of my accounts are up for it. Let's have some cool fights!
Got my first win, this is pretty cool.
Up for any fight, any time.
edited by hellaGumshoe on 7/26/2017
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Saklad
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7/26/2017
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Shadowcthuhlu wrote:
I’m willing to stab and be stabbed.
I’m also willing to make like a determined flower and duel others to the death.
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Von Darken
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7/26/2017
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More than happy to have a knife thrust into my personage just as long as I can do the same to someone else.
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Nigel Overstreet
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7/28/2017
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I'd be happy to throw the gauntlet down with the willing. And to share some Cider with any who would duel to the death.
I presume we shall be following John Lyde Wilson's Rules for the Government of Principals and Seconds in Duelling? Posterity in all things. Even death. Especially death.
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gronostaj
Posts: 403
7/29/2017
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You can safely assume that I'm always down for murder, unless I'm currently murdering someone else or rowing the slow-boat merrily down the stream.
That said, has anyone else on this thread noticed a significant victory/defeat disparity depending on whether you're the invited or the inviting party?
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CALLNXW
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7/29/2017
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Passionario wrote:
Save a life. Stab a Cider-holder instead.
Help the poor - by stabbing the Vake
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WinterIV
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8/8/2017
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I have a certain constable I need to meet on the shores of the slow river. Would anyone care to assist me in getting there? I would appreciate losing a lethal bout.
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Word of warning, I have had help from three others who are now ... indisposed. Apparently my combat instincts don't know how to be turned off.
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karsus
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8/30/2017
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Happy to send fellow wearers of the Black Ribbon to the Boatman - with Feducci as our new mayor, it is only proper to Duel
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Sankami
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8/3/2017
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Well. This thread got a little derailed, but I'm here to just state for the record I am also welcoming any and all lethal bouts.
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dov
Posts: 2580
7/31/2017
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gronostaj wrote:
after a frankly scandalous amount of duels, this is how i think mechanic works. Correct me if i'm wrong;
Well, you're partly right, but not completely.
First, I want to point out that lethal sparring uses the exact same mechanic as regular sparring. The only difference is some text at the beginning, and of course the end result.
Second, this is also the same as chess matches, except the sparring uses Dangerous/Shadowy and you can use Dream qualities to help your attack, while in chess you use Watchful/Persuasive and different options are presented based on a random value chosen at the beginning of the match.
The match itself consists of 5 social actions (3 for the initiator, 2 for the invitee). The 3 middle actions are challenges. The winner is determined based on a best-of-three of these challenges. That is: nothing you choose impacts the next steps. Any choice you make only impacts the current challenge.
Details:
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- Step #1: P1 send an invitation
- Step #2: P2 accepts the invitation; chooses a Dangerous/Shadowy attack
- Step #3: P1 chooses a Dangerous/Shadowy attack, potentially using Dreams
- Step #4: P2 chooses a Dangerous/Shadowy attack, potentially using Dreams
- Step #5: P1 complete the match. Rewards/penalties are applied
Each of the three challenges (in steps 2-4) seems to be a skill check. So luck plays a factor, but the one with the higher level in that stat has an advantage. I'm not sure how that Dream qualities play into this. The simplest guess is that your relevant dream level is added to your chosen stat (Dangerous/Shadowy) when doing the skill check.
Every challenge (steps 2-4) awards the winner 1 x "Sparring: Bouts Won". Whether you see this message or not, you can see this in your qualities, under Stories. This is how you can know for sure that whatever you chose in any round affects only that round - one of the players always gains 1 x "Sparring: Bouts Won" every challenge round.
The winner is the one who has at least 2 x "Sparring: Bouts Won" by the end of Step #4.
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edited by dov on 7/31/2017
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Màiread
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7/31/2017
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So for the experienced stabbers among you, how exactly does the timing of this work? Could I send someone a request and log in an hour later to find myself unexpectedly dead, or do I have to click a button to receive my wounds (thus giving me a chance to evade the slow boat?)
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