Absintheuse
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7/24/2017
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A few months ago we introduced the first part of the changes to Lodgings, and today the second part of the Lodgings revamp is officially live.
Our aim with these changes is to bring the social content of Lodgings up to our modern standards, and to provide more involved role-playing through offering a host of characterful opportunities.
These changes affect Loitering, Sparring, and Chess, which can be found in the following storylets:
- Attend to Matters of Danger and Wounds > Invite Someone to a Sparring Bout
- Attend to Matters of Watchfulness and Nightmares > Invite Someone to a Game of Chess
- Attend to Matters of Shadows and Suspicion > Invite Someone to a Spot of Suspicious Loitering
Dinners will also be receiving an update, but they will not go live until next week. We’ll update this thread as soon as they are officially live. They’ll discoverable via the following storylet:
- Attend to Matters of Society > Invite an Acquaintance to a Private Supper
With these changes, all existing Lodgings social content has now received their updates.
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Update 15:27 BST
We've uncovered a rather obnoxious bug in Sparring, so for the time being we are locking it off while we work on a fix. We imagine this will be resolved sometime tomorrow. Thank you in advance for your patience, delicious friends - we will let you know when you are able to resume fighting.
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Update 25th July
Sparring is once again live.
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Update 31st July
The changes to Dinners is now officially live.
edited by Absintheuse on 7/31/2017
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PSGarak
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7/24/2017
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Absintheuse wrote:
We've uncovered a rather obnoxious bug in Sparring, so for the time being we are locking it off while we work on a fix. We imagine this will be resolved sometime tomorrow. Thank you in advance for your patience, delicious friends - we will let you know when you are able to resume fighting.
Not only can we fight people, but the fights allowed players to break the rules and gain an unfair advantage? Feducci is delivering on his campaign promises already!
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Passionario
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7/24/2017
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PSGarak wrote:
Not only can we fight people, but the fights allowed players to break the rules and gain an unfair advantage? Feducci is delivering on his campaign promises already!
And he already delivered affordable public transportation. Slow boat rides for everyone!
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
7/25/2017
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All the new chess options are wonderful! This is so much fun ... especially this text:
[spoiler]Lady Sapho L Byron attempted to distract you with scandalous stories about themselves.[/spoiler]
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gronostaj
Posts: 403
7/24/2017
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Passionario wrote:
And he already delivered affordable public transportation. Slow boat rides for everyone!
they might be slow boats but at least this time the passengers don't have to oar
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Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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Siankan
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8/10/2017
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You know the one thing I feel is missing from the new dinner options? Some form of extravagant feast that requires all three forms of preparation (and boosts the Hedonist quirk, perhaps?). It seems like the logical progression of the system.
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Aubergion
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7/25/2017
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Given the action investment in chess, I'm rather disappointed that it doesn't give out any more Sudden Insights than it used to. I feel like it faces the same difficulties as in Debates, where you spend an interminable time waiting for an opponent with minimal reward.
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Lord Castameer - perpetually searching for answers, a name, acknowledgement, truth, recompense, retribution ------- a reckoning. Loitering and cats welcomed.
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
7/25/2017
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I'm not saying FBG wrote the new sparring content just for me ... but ...
[spoiler]Lady Sapho L Byron has relied on their knowledge of anatomy to win this bout.[/spoiler]
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Màiread
Posts: 385
7/25/2017
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It seems a shame to have given such a blow to chess as a source of sudden insights (and thus watchful) given that it was an extremely nice and gentle way for players to help each other out - a social action that went beyond making waves.
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gronostaj
Posts: 403
8/3/2017
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It's quite hilarious that the lethal duels use the same result text for a bout resolution as the regular sparring bout resolution, suggesting that the ribbon duelist are, in fact, fist-fighting.
No guns or knives or swords or garrotes or any of that weak fancy shtick, we punch each other to death like men!
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Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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shylarah
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7/26/2017
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I love the new death duels, and the fact that a lot of social actions now let you reply to the sender. Wonderful, absolutely marvelous! However I find it unbelievably frustrating that I can no longer send two regular spars to the same person (for when I write a long rp post), nor can I do any regular spars at all with anyone while in a death duel. I understand that, as much as we might like to, we do not get to send an entire mob down the river to cool their heads for a while. It's a shame, but it makes sense. Mechanically, however, especially for those of us who rp our chars and rely on social actions to do them, it's frustrating to be entirely cut off from posting, especially if it also depends on another person's availability. Example: Alys challenges Max to a duel to the death at 8am EST, and he accepts. When I return in the afternoon, I see this, so I fire back a response. That's great!
But say I want to have a regular spar with Hieronymus Drake, or perhaps I know Max is running low on Forceful second chances, or something? Welp, too bad. Can't send any other invites. Nor can I receive any, if Ed finds the time to write something that seems to fit a spar instead of chess or Caligula's. Furthermore, if he wants to tell me another way, he has to spend in-game resources (I know it's only a penny but that can add up, especially with highly active rpers -- and some people dislike using actions that don't match the situation). It's nice that there's an option to poke the person you're in a spar with...but that does nothing for anyone else that might want to reach that char.
My solution is this: keep the new version, the to-the-death one with its...whatever that new mechanic is. It's weird. Looks like even a very low shadowy will defeat someone with a much higher dangerous the first time through...but I digress. Return simple bouts, or make a third option for a one-off bout that does not require a char not to be in any other bouts, just somewhere accessible. I imagine the same should be done with chess, so there is both a complicated and a straightforward option.
I should mention that I do hope the to-the-death ones do not depend on actual dangerous/shadowy stats, since that is going to be absolutely brutal for new players. I think there was a random element in the old spars, though I'm not sure. I'd love to see the math behind these.
edited by shylarah on 7/26/2017
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
8/4/2017
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
...Well, a shoe is acceptable, if your opponent is a real piece of work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an0bVaTjF_Y
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PSGarak
Posts: 834
8/4/2017
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It is clearly the noble and classic art of Pankration! The Ancient Greek mixed-style unarmed fighting sport characterized by the relative absence of rules (or clothes).
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Gonen
Posts: 817
7/25/2017
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Aubergion wrote:
Given the action investment in chess, I'm rather disappointed that it doesn't give out any more Sudden Insights than it used to. I feel like it faces the same difficulties as in Debates, where you spend an interminable time waiting for an opponent with minimal reward.
Yep.
This is a major drawback - waiting for someone to respond several times in order to complete the chess game and be able to invite another....
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Absintheuse
Posts: 348
7/25/2017
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Just popping on to let you know we're aware of the errors a few of you are experiencing with social actions and we're currently in investigation mode, thank you
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Absintheuse
Posts: 348
7/25/2017
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Sparring has now returned!
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rahv7
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7/26/2017
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Dudebro Pyro wrote:
Oh, ok. That's not so bad. Still slightly lower efficiency (1.5 Insight per action) but not nearly as much as I thought.
What about the winner?
I've investigated a little more and fixed the numbers in my original post. If the active player wins a contest, the other player also gains an insight but the change is not displayed. So we end up with:
1. P1: Invite: no insights
2. P2: Initial strategy: no insights
3. P1: move, loser gets 1x Insight
4. P2: move, loser gets 1x Insight
5. P1: End game: winner gets 1 Insight, loser gets 1-2 Insights.
I.e. there are a guarenteed 4 Insights total for those 5 actions. If the loser is lucky they might get one more.
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Absintheuse
Posts: 348
7/31/2017
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The changes to the Dinners content is now also available, delicious friends
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PSGarak
Posts: 834
7/31/2017
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Two great things that go great together: Fancy dinner parties, and Counterfeit Heads of St John the Baptist! Now I finally have a use for my stockpile.
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Pumpkinhead
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7/31/2017
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PSGarak wrote:
Two great things that go great together: Fancy dinner parties, and Counterfeit Heads of St John the Baptist! Now I finally have a use for my stockpile.
You're just making me jealous
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Amanda Albright is a *spoiler* now, like she always wanted.
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PSGarak
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7/31/2017
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Pumpkinhead wrote:
PSGarak wrote:
Two great things that go great together: Fancy dinner parties, and Counterfeit Heads of St John the Baptist! Now I finally have a use for my stockpile.
You're just making me jealous
Do you want an invite? Cabeza tacos, fresh from the vine!
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Siankan
Posts: 1048
7/31/2017
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dov wrote:
(preparing a dinner party is complicated...)
Well, at least that's true to life.
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gronostaj
Posts: 403
7/25/2017
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Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
I'm not saying FBG wrote the new sparring content just for me ... but ...
[spoiler]Lady Sapho L Byron has relied on their knowledge of anatomy to win this bout.[/spoiler]
this clearly proves the main goal in implementing the new social mechanics was paving the road to so many lame pick-up lines. 
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Soft-Spoken Surgeon, a doctor who owes an onerous debt. Professor of medicine at the University by day, at criminal employ by night. Open to all non-harmful social actions.
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Aubergion
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7/25/2017
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Given the action investment in chess, I'm rather disappointed that it doesn't give out any more Sudden Insights than it used to. I feel like it faces the same difficulties as in Debates, where you spend an interminable time waiting for an opponent with minimal reward.
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Lord Castameer - perpetually searching for answers, a name, acknowledgement, truth, recompense, retribution ------- a reckoning. Loitering and cats welcomed.
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Temporis
Posts: 5
8/2/2017
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Kaijyuu wrote:
Given the nature of the plant I'm not convinced it's truly a member of the plant kingdom. Or the animal kingdom. Somewhere inbetween.
Considering the fact it is likely an Elder Continent specimen that is quite possible. For all we know it is a Presbyterate agent torn apart and fused with a plant during the recovery period!
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
8/2/2017
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Oh my! The text for being served a counterfeit head of John the Baptist is delightful! In a macabre, slightly stomach turning sort of way. A brilliant bit of writing by FBG.
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/25/2017
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I've won a chess match. I have to admit I'm somewhat disappointed at getting only one Sudden Insight from a social event which consumed 3 actions. I do, however, very much appreciate the fact that Plagued by a Popular Song can be used to gain an advantage in chess.
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Sara Hysaro
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7/25/2017
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Yes, people have been having issues with the new Chess option.
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/24/2017
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Chess games now seem to be multiple-action affairs. Sparring bouts can now be arranged in lethal best-of-three. Loitering now uses an "Airs of Stillness" quality, and uses quirks.
Interesting. I wonder what the dinner changes shall be. For now, it's time to see if loitering still hits Making Waves.
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Absintheuse
Posts: 348
7/24/2017
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We've uncovered a rather obnoxious bug in Sparring, so for the time being we are locking it off while we work on a fix. We imagine this will be resolved sometime tomorrow. Thank you in advance for your patience, delicious friends - we will let you know when you are able to resume fighting.
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Anchovies
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8/8/2017
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I wish the "you completed a social event: x with y" messages no longer showed up, since every social action delivers a separate message listing the rewards. Having twice as many messages to clean through is already quite a bother.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
8/10/2017
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Perhaps an action to cut corners, as well, for the occasional player who prefer to live like an ascetic?
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Wiwo
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8/14/2017
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I do rather like the idea of the extravagant feast option which requires all 3. Perhaps even 5 or more of all 3.
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Wiwo. Almost certainly not a squid in a cunningly tailored suit. Surely.
 Care for some cider? Here's how to ask me for some. Strange pranks strongly preferred.
Care to pet a Heptagoat? Too bad. It doesn't do anything (probably).
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dov
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7/26/2017
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Dudebro Pyro wrote:
Oh, ok. That's not so bad. Still slightly lower efficiency (1.5 Insight per action) but not nearly as much as I thought.
What about the winner?
It's a best-of-three match. The first challenge doesn't give Sudden Insights at all. The next two challenges give one for the loser. The conclusion gives 2 for the loser, 1 for the winner.
- Step 1: Player 1 sends an invitation
- Step 2: Player 2 accepts with challenge #1
- Step 3: Player 1 chooses challenge #2 <-- the loser here gets 1 x Sudden Insight
- Step 4: Player 2 chooses challenge #3 <-- the loser here gets 1 x Sudden Insight
- Step 5: Player 1 completed the match <-- the winner gets 1 x Sudden Insight; the loser gets 2.
The winner in step 5 is based on best-of-three of the three challenges in steps 2-4.
So:
The winner might get 1-2 x Sudden Insights.
The loser might get 3-4 x Sudden Insights
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Isaac Zienfried
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8/3/2017
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gronostaj wrote:
No guns or knives or swords or garrotes or any of that weak fancy shtick, we punch each other to death like men!
Is there any other damned way to do it?
...Well, a shoe is acceptable, if your opponent is a real piece of work.
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genesis
Posts: 924
7/24/2017
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Absintheuse wrote:
With these changes, all existing Lodgings social content has now received their updates.
Does this mean that "Enjoy Scones at Beatrice's Tea Shop" is no longer imminently forthcoming? At the time of the first Lodgings Update its branch description got changed to "Coming soon".
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Estelle Knoht
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7/24/2017
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genesis wrote:
Absintheuse wrote:
With these changes, all existing Lodgings social content has now received their updates.
Does this mean that "Enjoy Scones at Beatrice's Tea Shop" is no longer imminently forthcoming? At the time of the first Lodgings Update its branch description got changed to "Coming soon".
Something locked like that probably shouldn't count as "existing" content 
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Lallinka
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7/24/2017
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Just a fair warning - chess seem to be breaking down as well. REquests cannot be accepted and you get a "Dying Star" error, instead. Let's hope Loitering stays okay?
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Ragish is accepting everything, including Loitering and Photographer. Available for interviews about Heart's Desire and a Crooked-cross for Salons.
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Slyblue
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7/25/2017
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Anyone else having trouble accepting/rejecting invites? The site crashes every time I try
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gronostaj
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7/25/2017
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Absintheuse wrote:
Sparring has now returned!
*slams fists on the table* FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FI
on the more civilized note, it seems I can only have one chess game with one partner going at once. Bug or feature?
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PSGarak
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7/25/2017
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gronostaj wrote:
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on the more civilized note, it seems I can only have one chess game with one partner going at once. Bug or feature?
That's how Debates worked, which follow the same model. I'm guessing "technical limitation," probably related to tracking progress with multiple copies of the same quality.
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suinicide
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8/2/2017
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You didn't finish your dinner! The other person has to take a variety of steps too, and then you get the actual reward.
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dov
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8/3/2017
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Anchovies wrote:
I just checked the wiki, and it appears that requesting aid with suspicion and scandal has quietly changed.
Not really quietly, as it was announced and discussed on the forum when launched 2 months ago:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic24246-fallen-london-reworks-lodgings-part-.aspx
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Siankan
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7/31/2017
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I'm liking it so far, though it does make dinners much more of a to-do. My main questions: Does the zee-fish go bad when Time comes by? Does hosting a dinner zero all your preparations, or merely subtract the requirement? Isn't the Stolen River supposed to be capitalized?
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A Dimness
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8/1/2017
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Rostygold wrote:
The Dinner options are so well-written. They can make the reader hella peckish.
I am reminded of the Bandaged Chef-Paramount's seven-course feast.
The words tasted delicious.
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