Hotshot Blackburn
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7/23/2017
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While the above revelations are intriguing to hear about (I haven't encountered the card at all yet myself :/) and the Revolutionary thing is hilarious, I now find myself in the opposite camp of most here RPwise
My heart lies with the destruction of stars and the death of light. Feducci's system seems to be helping this cause along, or at least the causes of other anarchists and reformers who seek alternative systems. Yet I didn't like the man himself and campaigned against him for a kinder, gentler alternative that would (I thought) have more Revolutionary story potential.
I guess...I guess storywise this is actually a really pleasant surprise! And here I'd thought he'd just be knee deep in Hell and Great Game shenanigans.
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Isaac Zienfried
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7/23/2017
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Uuuugh, the very idea of eating teeth is just-
Like, jeez, Failbetter, way to just press the 'that's frigging gross, dude' button. I still feel queasy.
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The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary
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7/23/2017
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Hotshot Blackburn wrote:
While the above revelations are intriguing to hear about (I haven't encountered the card at all yet myself :/) and the Revolutionary thing is hilarious, I now find myself in the opposite camp of most here RPwise
My heart lies with the destruction of stars and the death of light. Feducci's system seems to be helping this cause along, or at least the causes of other anarchists and reformers who seek alternative systems. Yet I didn't like the man himself and campaigned against him for a kinder, gentler alternative that would (I thought) have more Revolutionary story potential.
I guess...I guess storywise this is actually a really pleasant surprise! And here I'd thought he'd just be knee deep in Hell and Great Game shenanigans.
I stand exactly in the same spot, I was expecting the DTC to have the Revolutionary storyline, and I very much campaigned because of it and because I also disliked Feducci's actions.
Now it seems he's going slightly towards a revolution, although it isn't the same as The Liberation I want
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Tystefy
Posts: 450
7/23/2017
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xKiv wrote:
Tystefy wrote:
He's also un-killable, so good luck RPers.
He's presumably less unkillable than Mr. Eaten was.
... You frazzled me.
My first reaction to reading this: visibly recoiled from my screen, "GOD DANG IT." thundered in my thoughts.
I genuinely wasn't expecting anyone to reference that outside of my forum for it.
Oof. Woof. I think I gotta rest after that one.
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Anne Auclair
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7/23/2017
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I suspect both the Campaigner and Feducci have revolutionary storylines, given their respective histories. The DTC was friends with the late March, while Feducci of course fought alongside Hell's Revolutionaries. As it is, both are acting fairly revolutionary in their own way, Feducci with his violent intrigues and the Campaigner with her nonstop street protests.
I've been thinking about Feducci's slogan: Fair Play, Fair Game. How should we square this slogan with the fact that you can win his little gun duels by cheating and shooting your opponent before the signal is given? One way would be to say that his slogan was a case of straightforward deception, but I don't think so, for all Feducci's dishonesty he seems a bit too committed to his "principles."
Then I realized that it also depends upon how you say the slogan. Most of us have been saying and thinking it like this: Fair Play. Fair Game. Two distinct promises in one statement, a London of fair play with a fair game. But you can think and say it with a different emphasis that dramatically changes the meaning: Fair Play, Fair Game. As in, Fair Play is Fair Game.
When you look at this campaign statements, he never actually promised fair play: "I mean to even the odds. We can't change everything about the game; The kings and queens of the game are ensconced, but what if we changed the rules?"
The expectation that you wait for the signal before shooting your opponent is, after all, just another arbitrary rule. Which, among other things, suggests Feducci is assembling a private army of ruthless cheats.
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Hotshot Blackburn
Posts: 110
7/23/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
I suspect both the Campaigner and Feducci have revolutionary storylines, given their respective histories. The DTC was friends with the late March, while Feducci of course fought alongside Hell's Revolutionaries. As it is, both are acting fairly revolutionary in their own way, Feducci with his violent intrigues and the Campaigner with her nonstop street protests.
I've been thinking about Feducci's slogan: Fair Play, Fair Game. How should we square this slogan with the fact that you can win his little gun duels by cheating and shooting your opponent before the signal is given? One way would be to say that his slogan was a case of straightforward deception, but I don't think so, for all Feducci's dishonesty he seems a bit too committed to his "principles."
Then I realized that it also depends upon how you say the slogan. Most of us have been saying and thinking it like this: Fair Play. Fair Game. Two distinct promises in one statement, a London of fair play with a fair game. But you can think and say it with a different emphasis that dramatically changes the meaning: Fair Play, Fair Game. As in, Fair Play is Fair Game.
When you look at this campaign statements, he never actually promised fair play: "I mean to even the odds. We can't change everything about the game; The kings and queens of the game are ensconced, but what if we changed the rules?"
The expectation that you wait for the signal before shooting your opponent is, after all, just another arbitrary rule. Which, among other things, suggests Feducci is assembling a private army of ruthless cheats.
And it could be worked in reverse as well, really: Fair Game, Fair Play. But if there is no Fair Game in the first place - if the very system is rigged from the start - then why should there be Fair Play?
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gronostaj
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7/23/2017
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Uuuugh, the very idea of eating teeth is just-
Like, jeez, Failbetter, way to just press the 'that's frigging gross, dude' button. I still feel queasy.
edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/23/2017
what? no, teeth are great. i love teeth. i love the cronch
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gronostaj
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7/23/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Iyou can win his little gun duels by cheating and shooting your opponent before the signal is given?
actually, both you and opponent win via shooting before mark is given. It's a classic case of "if everyone is cheating, then no one is". There's a real-life card game centered around this principle. Very pleasant.
Duels got so mainstream. They're held in a de facto casino, and treated as just a part of gambling, and apparently they're to first blood. Duels to first blood? Who are you, bandaged man, and what you did to real Feducci.
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Kylestien
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7/23/2017
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(Duels to first blood? Who are you, bandaged man, and what you did to real Feducci.)
The only reason it's not to the death this time is because if everyone in London dies by duel there's noone for him to be Mayor of.
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Curious Foreigner
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7/23/2017
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Kylestien wrote:
(Duels to first blood? Who are you, bandaged man, and what you did to real Feducci.)
The only reason it's not to the death this time is because if everyone in London dies by duel there's noone for him to be Mayor of.
Still, mere Duels to first blood goes too far. Just forbidding duels to Final Death would have been enough.
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Aubergion
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7/24/2017
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I'm actually quite appreciative of the Revolutionaries favors, if only because I can literally never get any Connected to them. It's good to have friends in all sorts of places.
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Siankan
Posts: 1048
7/26/2017
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I ought to have said this before, but recalling my statement right after the election when I hoped to see more of the Campaigner and the Detective in the coming year, I wanted to tip my hat to whomever decided to put a vignette of the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner on the Mayor card. Well played indeed.
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Passionario
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7/26/2017
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Feducci may be unkillable, but I have a man-eating plant in my house that would be happy to chew on him for a year Sarlacc-style.
There is an entire chapel of people who would be happy to do the same forever.
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WinterIV
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7/26/2017
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Were we really expecting him to be that close to Hell after the election? I seem to remember that they had a bit of a falling out around the middle of the campaign? I tracked down some echoes in my journal, but it seems like his hellish campaign manager quit halfway through. Or, at least, that is how it read to me.
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Note #1 Week 1
Infiltrating the heart of Feducci's campaign is easy enough; campaign staff come and go and the Guildhall of Victuallers is a riot of colour and chaos. Butchers and campaigners meet on the wine dark stone and debate the best ways to carve up the electorate. A little flattery gets you access to some very important ears indeed.
-"Feducci's campaign manager"- transpires to be a very Indulgent Devil, whose red eyes smoulder like the rising of Mars. "Of course," he tells you in a voice like molten honey, "Feducci has helped us in the past, when the apparatus of state weighed on our liberty. When we felled all thrones, he was in the vanguard. I think he rather misses such grand sport."
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Feducci's dusty offices are a chaos of discarded paper. Abandoned manifestos (all contradicting each other) litter the plush carpets. On one large blackboard, Feducci has listed his campaign's principles in heavy Gothic majuscule: All Could Rise, Most Shan't. Equality in Death, Liberty in License.' An impenetrable spiderweb of notes in various other handwriting suggests many hours spent over the blackboard trying to put these principles into policy, with little success.
Contrasted with Feducci's plan for electoral victory, with target constituencies, voting blocs, and resources to be distributed clearly and precisely laid out, it leaves something wanting. -"You discover the journal of one irate Campaign Manager, detailing a long litany of unhappy frustrations."-
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gronostaj
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7/26/2017
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WinterIV wrote:
Were we really expecting him to be that close to Hell after the election?
Not really (I think that, on forum at least, it's mostly the other candidates' supporters were dreading he'll mass-sell Londoners' souls to Hell at a discount or something alike), especially after the second-week fall-out. But I wasn't expecting Revolutionaries favours, despite his platform being full of that revolutionary spiel. Not that it doesn't make sense, when you spin it right, but....
I always think of revolutionaries as having some Cause with capital C in mind, and Feducci.... well, with the hot'n'cold way he picks up and drops allies, such as his devillish (and right now, likely very salty) campaign ex-manager, and the player themselves if they're a Loser, and with the Presbyterate connection, I was genuinely hoping for Great Game favours. Would love Docks, or Criminals even. Instead, we got that.
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Jolanda Swan
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7/27/2017
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We all were, but... Feducci disappointing people and not serving their needs is kind of his narrative theme. So I insist that the card is very fitting, storywise. Not negative, but still it reminds you of who the mayor is.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
8/3/2017
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Hotshot Blackburn wrote:
And it could be worked in reverse as well, really: Fair Game, Fair Play. But if there is no Fair Game in the first place - if the very system is rigged from the start - then why should there be Fair Play?
What I meant was that Feducci see's people who believe in fair play as fair game - that is, people to be cheated or hunted.
I just thought of another potential explanation for why Feducci is being all buddy buddy with the Revolutionaries. We know he's a paid agent of the Presbyterate and Hell. Now, if either power wanted to destabilize London, empowering the more hotheaded and violent Revolutionaries would be the natural way to go about it.
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Siankan
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8/3/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
I just thought of another potential explanation for why Feducci is being all buddy buddy with the Revolutionaries. We know he's a paid agent of the Presbyterate and Hell. Now, if either power wanted to destabilize London, empowering the more hotheaded and violent Revolutionaries would be the natural way to go about it.
Perhaps. However, the dialogue with his campaign manager rather suggests that Feducci was involved with Hell's revolution precisely because it was a revolution, and that he may not be so terribly close to Hell now. If anything, I would say that a Revolutionary bent involved him with Hell, rather than the other way around.
That said, I don't think Feducci's revolutionary leanings spring from a deep love of democracy or socialism or whatever your favorite bomb-maker is espousing today. I rather think he just enjoys stirring the pot.
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Isaac Zienfried
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8/3/2017
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Siankan wrote:
That said, I don't think Feducci's revolutionary leanings spring from a deep love of democracy or socialism or whatever your favorite bomb-maker is espousing today. I rather think he just enjoys stirring the pot.
He just enjoys a good fight.
If only he, and his followers, had realized the greatest fight is the fight to better the world. I can assure you it keeps me damnably busy, and there's always another battle after one is won or lost.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
8/4/2017
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Siankan wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
I just thought of another potential explanation for why Feducci is being all buddy buddy with the Revolutionaries. We know he's a paid agent of the Presbyterate and Hell. Now, if either power wanted to destabilize London, empowering the more hotheaded and violent Revolutionaries would be the natural way to go about it.
Perhaps. However, the dialogue with his campaign manager rather suggests that Feducci was involved with Hell's revolution precisely because it was a revolution, and that he may not be so terribly close to Hell now. If anything, I would say that a Revolutionary bent involved him with Hell, rather than the other way around.
It's worth remembering that Hell paid him though. They gave him that plum slaving position that he wanted so much. Maybe he wants something else from them.
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