DonaghyLogan
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7/12/2017
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It seems that in the first instance, the wiki is not agreeing with your cell phone. On my computer, CP changes are almost always listed as either unknown or numerical values.
I'm not sure what your problem with the companion list is . . . .
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Diptych
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"Detestable garbage" is a bit strong for describing a thorough and helpful fan wiki that happened to have some formatting issues, whoever its parent company. I'd suggest future discussions of such issues could instead be titled something like... "Formatting Issues on Wikia", for instance!
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Felicity Anne Stratford
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7/14/2017
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The wiki is a community project and every bit of information in there has been added by players in their free time, trying to help other players.
And I for one have used it a lot and found it to be extremely helpful! Thanks to all of those who have contributed - it really helped me figure out a lot about how to play the game, which made it less stressful to learn!
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Simone Beaufort is a Midnighter and pleased to visit Orphanages or Salons or be interviewed! No Seeking or Photographer.
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rahv7
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7/14/2017
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In this very particular case it was my fault, as I had assigned the template causing the problem and didn't notice it wouldn't work on mobile. Fortunately dov fixed the problem right after becoming aware of it.
In general, it would be nice to contact us either on wikia, reddit or here and let us know if there's a problem instead of starting flaming right away. The wiki is a community project and every bit of information in there has been added by players in their free time, trying to help other players.
Edit: I just noticed that some pages are still not displayed correctly. If you come across such a page, go to Edit -> Refresh. This will cause a rebuild of the page using the correct templates. Even unregistered users can do that. However, I *think* the Edit menu is only displayed in the browser-view (at least I couldn't find it on mobile).
edited by rahv7 on 7/14/2017
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/14/2017
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I would like to offer an apology. My annoyance was with wikia's mobile formatting, which is universal across all wikia sites. Had I known that the disappearing text was caused by a quirk in the mobile site's parsing of certain templates rather than the static website infrastructure, I'd have put this forward as not "detestable garbage" but "does anyone know how to fix this?". The efficiency with which repairs were made after I caused a ruckus speaks volumes about our wiki editors' abilities. Is there some hub of wiki activity where I could have taken this complaint, or do we rely on a decentralized crew of guerilla editors?
Scandal has increased to 4 - Shocking!
Connected: the Forum is dropping...
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Azothi
Posts: 586
7/12/2017
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If possible, switch to Desktop Mode. Until they fix this issue, that should work.
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Away to where the Chain cannot bind us.
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Dudebro Pyro
Posts: 756
7/15/2017
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I still don't like wikia, though. Since they reorganized and took on the Fandom branding they've been annoyingly pushy about their non-wiki content, which is strewn with direct advertisements and with no-doubt-paid promoted links to other sites. I'm personally of the opinion that we should take our wiki and our web-traffic over to gamepedia, where the Sunless Sea wiki has got on just fine.
I'd like to offer my humble opinion that wikia is detestable garbage, precisely for cases like this: you don't own your wiki anymore, wikia does. I know Nethack tried to migrate away from wikia - due to the same complaints everyone has, namely them pushing their own content on you, non-removable ads to other wikis and content, etc. - and wikia admins absolutely refused to let them touch the existing wiki content in any way, meaning that instead of a migration it was more of a cloning. Supposedly they do it "for the users" - the argument being that the content is still there, people should be able to browse it, and if some admins and maintainers want to pick it up they should be able to - but clearly they just want to preserve the content on their site to ensure their continue to get visitors looking for it. As a user, I'd much rather get told immediately that the site is unmaintained and out of date, than waste time browsing it before eventually finding the real, active one. The problem is compounded by the fact that a newly established wiki will obviously rank much lower than the old one in search results, meaning people will keep stumbling on the abandoned site, in a vicious circle that can take months, or years, to break.
What this means is that once you start using a wikia wiki, instead of e.g. hosting your own using mediawiki, you're then stuck forever with whatever branding, layouts, crappy wiki engine, and advertisements wikia wants to push on you.
Perhaps this isn't very on-topic for this forum, but this is a wikia thread, and I'm honestly surprised by how many big projects still choose wikia for their wiki hosting, so I thought I'd rant a bit.
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Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them.
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Teaspoon
Posts: 866
7/15/2017
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As a fellow Nethacker, I would like to concur with Dudebro's description of events. Very unpleasant.
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BillyCosmos!
Posts: 30
7/15/2017
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I would like to include my voice in the anti-wikia chorus. The mobile version is horrendous - video ads strewn throughout, slow, and nigh un-navigable. The standard version is 100% not-at-all-better, though aggressive ad-blocking helps. Which I can't do on my tablet, so there's a lot of waiting for ads. And accidentally clicking them.
Which would be slightly less awful if they vetted the ads. Too often the banner across the top is a malicious fake.
"Fandom" - A malvertising and clickbait platform with some wiki content.
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Dictated, thuroughly read.
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/12/2017
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In which Anchovies realizes their folly
Azothi wrote:
If possible, switch to Desktop Mode. Until they fix this issue, that should work. And here I was thinking there simply wasn't such an option. I'd have expected it to be in the menu at the top left, but no; it's hidden at the very, very, very, very bottom of the page. Thank you very much for mentioning that the option existed.
I still don't like wikia, though. Since they reorganized and took on the Fandom branding they've been annoyingly pushy about their non-wiki content, which is strewn with direct advertisements and with no-doubt-paid promoted links to other sites. I'm personally of the opinion that we should take our wiki and our web-traffic over to gamepedia, where the Sunless Sea wiki has got on just fine.
edit: oh, neat, did my complaint end up getting the attention of someone who knew how to fix the templates? Bravo, dov!
edited by Anchovies on 7/12/2017
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Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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navchaa
Posts: 561
7/13/2017
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Tystefy wrote:
If you were a real tryhard, you'd recognize the images and stats without need for the name.
The name.
THE NA-
I've obviously been far too long in the game because I never noticed that there weren't any names!!!
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dov
Posts: 2580
7/12/2017
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Fixed (I hope)
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hellaGumshoe
Posts: 76
7/12/2017
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DonaghyLogan wrote:
I'm not sure what your problem with the companion list is . . . .
No names.
And yeah... wikia's mobile site isn't the best.
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/12/2017
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DonaghyLogan wrote:
I'm not sure what your problem with the companion list is . . . . It's the total and egregious lack of names. Who's that at the top of the list? The wiki isn't gonna tell me. I can only find out by clicking the image, taking a key part of the URL (in this case, "urchingirlsmall"), plugging that into a web search, and hoping another wikia page shows up. How terribly user-friendly.
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Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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rahv7
Posts: 294
7/14/2017
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@Estelle: I realise this. I was just pointing out that the specific problem they were raging about wasn't the fault of wikia or fandom.
And that contacting an admin (or doing a forum-post) and just letting people know that there is an issue and asking if somebody can help is a more sensible approach than just ranting. At least for us admins this came totally out of the blue.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
7/14/2017
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There is a message board on every wikia, too.
I thought it was going to be dreadful news along the lines of "Wikia misled me into abandoning SMEN 76!!!" or "Wikia now silently mine bitcoins" at first, but at least no real harm is done :P
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Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
7/14/2017
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I don't think Anchovies is raging at the volunteers of our wiki so much as raging at "them evil Wikia company folks and their annoying layout changes".
Which is... a fairly common bit of sentiment, really. There was some considerable rage at the jump from Monobook to the new layout before, too, and any services large enough tend to ruffles a lot of feathers with any change.
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Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady.
I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Morkan Kassington
Posts: 261
7/15/2017
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If there is one thing that warrants wikia/fandom's immediate attention, it is trying to migrate from it and removing content on the existing wiki. Mostly the latter.
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Anchovies
Posts: 421
7/15/2017
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The best game-specific wikis I know - bulbapedia, Zelda Wiki, and the Sunless Sea wiki, all use Gamepedia with consistently good results. Has there been any talk among the FL wiki editors of a migration? And, since we're on the topic, what of the echo bazaar wikidot page? Is it less active, or largely abandoned?
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Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him.
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Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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Optimatum
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7/15/2017
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The wikidot wiki is mostly abandoned and largely out of date. It does occasionally have historical information of note the other wiki does not. Things like retired items and qualities.
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PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Morkan Kassington
Posts: 261
7/15/2017
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You will have to ask them on the wikia directly. Porting content isn't as big a hurdle (they have support for exporting content and gamepedia can help), but the bigger hurdle is making sure visitors go to the new wiki. Wikia likes removing and banning admins and making sure visitors aren't redirected to any new replacement.
The most important thing is if the contributors even want to move tho. Talk to them there.
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(He is actually a self-centered and foolish braggart, but he means no harm. Hit him up for social actions or dangerous lessons! Or just flirt.)
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rahv7
Posts: 294
7/14/2017
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Anchovies wrote:
I would like to offer an apology.
Apology accepted 
Anchovies wrote:
Is there some hub of wiki activity where I could have taken this complaint, or do we rely on a decentralized crew of guerilla editors?
dov (= adnoam on the wiki/reddit) and me are the only currently active admins for the FL wiki. You can reach us either via our wikia-walls, reddit or here.
However, a lot of things can be done by any (registered) user and there are quite a few of those here and over at reddit.
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It's possible people have forgotten that there is an actual devil in the actual Lord Mayor's office. A devil who is promising to look after people's souls. What is wrong with everybody?
https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/rahv7
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Tystefy
Posts: 450
7/12/2017
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If you were a real tryhard, you'd recognize the images and stats without need for the name.
The name.
THE NA-
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Cthonius
Posts: 362
7/13/2017
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Yeah, I've gotten used to just having my phone browser (Chrome) "Request Desktop Site" from the most readily available menu, which I actually also do for these forums as I hate it's mobile format
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rahv7
Posts: 294
7/12/2017
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"Loss" isn't used normally. Maybe on some old pages. Generally it's either "Drop" or "Gone" (if it applies).
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It's possible people have forgotten that there is an actual devil in the actual Lord Mayor's office. A devil who is promising to look after people's souls. What is wrong with everybody?
https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/rahv7
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