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Absintheuse
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7/10/2017
A Winner is Announced!

Feducci claims victory with nearly half the vote! He steps forward, offering the crowd a regal wave. Thundering roars of approval hail his victory. "Victory, then?" He nods down to the roaring crowd, "It was never in question, only the margin. London is in for a most exciting year."




There will be a brief period of transition as Sinning Jenny gracefully departs her office, but very soon London will experience life under its new Mayor.

Once fully situated, a mayoral Feducci card will become available in your opportunity deck. As the official mayor of Fallen London, you may hear news of his work crop up from time to time during his year in power.

Look for the 1895: The Victor is Announced! throughout London and speak to your candidate to wrap up any loose ends. You will have till 17th July to use up any leftover election resources, and the limited edition Election 1895 campaign posters will remain available on Gametee until 31st of July!

Statistics on the Election will be released within the next few weeks. Of course, you will have the opportunity to influence who runs for Mayor of Fallen London next year - keep an eye out for the official Proposed Candidates for 1896 forum thread.


We’ll also be looking into the feedback about the social actions within this year’s Election to inform next year’s festival. Thank you for helping us experiment and try new things within Fallen London!

edited by Absintheuse on 7/10/2017
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Katerwaul
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7/10/2017
A black-suited figure is seen comforting a distraught Rubbery near the front of the crowd.

"It's alright, Squidley. There's always next year."

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Passionario
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7/10/2017
Oh, petals. If you wanted London to be ruled by an amoral, egomaniacal, narcissistic, Social Darwinist spy with a penchant for sadism and grand dramatic gestures, whose crimes have no refuge but in audacity, and who is only known by his faux-Italian code name..

...you could've just, you know, asked.

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Azothi
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7/19/2017
GaryStudebaker wrote:
Why was it obvious Feducci would win? Misogyny... it still is a major factor in real life politics, so it's going to be magnified any times over in the gaming community. A couple old woman just don't appeal to the typical white male gamer, just look at things like the 'GamerGate' controversy and you'll see the reaction to feminist notions by the gaming community at large is VIOLENT rejection.
Please calm down. I identify as a liberal and a progressive, but I can't support anything that's just this illogical. You're making broad, unfounded assumptions about the player base of Fallen London, and you're just lashing out at ghosts. I can appreciate the passion; we need people like you, who can dedicate themselves to a cause and fight for what you believe to be right, but your emotions are overtaking your logic.

Think about it. Fallen London is a text-based RPG. It's the type of game you play for a few minutes a couple times a day, with the satisfaction usually coming from well-written stories or the slow and arduous grind towards a long-term goal. Action consists effectively of pressing buttons and reading. This is a setting where words like "costermonger", "functionary", "Chiroptera", "coruscated", and "airag" are used on a regular basis. It's an investment over months and years, not hours or days. The gameplay is more Depression Quest than Call of Duty. What conclusions can you draw about the player base from that information? I see no reason to assume we're all typical white male gamers with a misogynistic streak.

Likewise, you say that "the reaction to feminist notions by the gaming community at large is VIOLENT rejection", as if you could quantify all gamers into some overarching stereotype. It's as accurate as trying to stereotype everyone who regularly watches television, or everyone who reads books for fun, or everyone who has a Netflix or Hulu account. There are gamers who'll send out rape and death threats, and there are gamers will harass and attack, but their actions do not reflect the population as a whole. If you want to lash out at someone, find those people and lash out at them (though engaging them in dialogue is a far more effective tool, in my opinion). Don't lash out at the players here because a fictional male character won a fictional election, therefore misogyny. Take a step back and look at the history of Failbetter and the history of its forums, and consider if you're actually seeing evidence of misogyny, or if you're just projecting your worldview onto the situation and seeing ghosts where there are none.


BFW Edit: just removing some tinder nothing to see here
edited by babelfishwars on 7/19/2017

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A Dimness
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7/10/2017
You can not-elect the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner,
but you can't unmake the Honey-Well.

A honeying will not be postponed indefinitely.
EDIT: oh wow, that snippet of her is heartbreaking. You just made sweet old nana cry, you monsters.
edited by Infinity Simulacrum on 7/10/2017

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Màiread
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7/10/2017
Well I will certainly miss seeing Jenny in my deck.

Incidentally as a level 20 DTC canpaigner I got 35 sworn statements, 1 favour in high places and 180 journal of infamy. Note to self: stick to flash lays and investigations next year.

I think the debates were a good idea but were mechanically clunky. Allowing participants to do all their prep at once (rather than back & forth) and to run multiple debates at once would make it much more fun. I deliberately avoided the being mobbed thing as I'm not a fan of being messed with, but each to their own.

I do think the candidate selection was pretty unbalanced this year. Last year's candidates were all peripheral but familiar faces with a similar level of player interraction. Feducci is a compulsory part of the dangerous storyline, the detective is sort of Jenny level familiarity, and I've played for donkey's years and never heard of the DTC.

Anyway thanks for the event! Hopefully our new Mayor won't sell us to the devils.

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babelfishwars
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7/19/2017
All right folks, please chill.
It is not company policy for me to speak on any design, but the election is not and has not been rigged - either through choice of characters or anything else.
Please can we keep politics out of the forum. Failbetter feels its games speak for themselves as to our attitude in general, but we'd rather not let the forums degenerate into political infighting. There are better places for that.


As for our players, we strongly believe we have the best community in games. Please treat all our players, not just the ones regularly posting here, with respect.

I have noted a lot of passionate posts during the elections - because they were across the board I have not been warning or banning as vigorously as I would normally. Perhaps that was a mistake. Please return to your normal posting behaviours, as I will be holding you all to the usual forum standards.

Thank you.

edited by babelfishwars on 7/19/2017

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Gillsing
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
How could anyone vote for him based on his platform when they know there's a huge chance he isnt being genuine?

You've already been told this earlier in this thread: For someone who dislikes the other two platforms enough, 'no platform' or 'fake platform' could be preferable. Kind of like voting for the Contrarian in the first election, I guess?

As for Feducci being harmful to London because he's a spy for foreign interests, and therefore his platform is not genuine, and just a trick... How does anyone come to that conclusion? To me it always looked like his proposed platform could be incredibly harmful to London. I mean, he's basically going to let people shake London's social structures like an antfarm for a year. Today you're taking your orders and instructions from one person, and tomorrow... who knows? Maybe in the long run London might end up with competent people rising to the top, like some sort of meritocracy. But in the short run London would become quite vulnerable if Feducci actually manages to turn his proposed platform into reality. And I still supported him. What have I done? Won't someone please think of London? No. May we live in interesting times.


I thought about a non-discardable Mayor card too, before I read the suggestion. It would make perfect sense that Persons of Some Importance would have to defend their wealth and status from challengers, though if a challenged person has to consent to a challenge or gamble, the card wouldn't have to be non-discardable. Losing all wealth would probably not be an option, but the risk of significant losses might make people want to avoid such challenges. Or the card could just give Favours as the one before did, and using these challenges for flavour text. Maybe it would be non-discardable because in Feducci's city-wide fight club, a rule will state that you have to accept a challenge when challenged, or challenge someone yourself? That's at least two different options.

Regarding 'cool badass' candidates for next election, you all know deep inside that it's not necessarily 'cool badass' that wins. Because a Rubbery Man candidate would win over both Jenny and Feducci. And Rubbery Men are not 'cool badasses'. They're harmless and lovable, and weird in the extreme. But that's not because they have some kind of benevolent political platform. A Rubbery Candidate wouldn't need a platform at all. Just wriggle those tentacles and make some unintelligible noises. So cute and endearing. Oh, look how the Rubbery Man is trying to act like a person! So precious! So FALLEN LONDON. And that's what wins. Fallen London. Because that's why people come here from the real world. A winning candidate doesn't have to be badass at all. Just don't be boring.
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7/11/2017
Aside from not letting discussion of the election results get too heated, I'll also remind you all to A: look up the difference between "psychotic" and "psychopathic", and B: not use either as a derogatory term because illness is not the same as immorality.

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Hark DeGaul
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7/10/2017
Well, we have made our beds and that bed is Feducci. Let's hope his bandages make him comfortable to lie on.

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Diptych
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7/10/2017
Feducci wrote:
"But this is only the beginning. Now we raise the stakes. London is in for a most exciting year."


Not going to lie... that is more than a little terrifying.

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Isaac Zienfried
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7/10/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
Feducci got under 50% of the vote, so a majority of Londoners did not vote for him. He's less popular than Jenny.

Anne. Anne, Anne, Anne. Your fervor and ferocity are assets on the campaign trail, but now we step back and let things be. There are so many new fights for us to pursue. Let us put down the old ones.

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Sir Joseph Marlen
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7/10/2017
From what I've read, it seems that there is a divide between the players on why they did/didn't vote for the mummy. People are either playing the game straight as though they themselves were in the city, they're gunning for roleplaying as a different person, or they play the election as a player picking the most fun candidate. Honestly, it can be hard harmonizing between them, and no one is going to be fully happy with the outcome. You either end up with the roleplayers and fun-seekers groaning at the application of real world morality winning over a candidate or you have those playing seriously confused as to why a candidate wins despite their amoral character and/or platform. I think the best way to meet in the middle is to have equally known characters that aren't too lopsided in morality. I don't think it's any secret that the fairness in choice for the past few elections has been...poor, to say the least? As soon as the sexy progressive ninja nun and the murderous immortal blood-knight came into the fight, popularity leaned in their favor. There needs to be more consideration put into choosing who will be running with the foresight to not choose one that will overshadow the others. I want to say that they also shouldn't be too extreme in how straight-laced good or downright evil they are, but that's kinda hard when many characters are goofy or absolute in some of their ideals. I think we can do better than "staight-laced old lady reformist vs London's most anti-police detective vs dubious cool dude who killed you before", at the very least.

There's also the matter that, well, politics kinda suck. There are certainly better ways that we can improve the election, such as fixing the debate mechanics or ranking which candidates receive your vote should they be in the running, but some of the finer issues like the subtle vague nature of the characters' platforms and backstories or boiling the win down to a popularity contest are kind of linked to politics in general. By making a game mechanic about elections, you're building an inherently flawed system to begin with to little fault of your own. Some of these things are just bound to happen, but hopefully Failbetter will continue to improve on what they've already established.

Either way, we're finally through will all this mess. Thanks to everyone who participated this year, and congrats to the Feducci supporters. Here's to an exciting (if not destructive) new year!
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 7/10/2017

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Isaac Zienfried
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7/10/2017
The Campaigner's taking it pretty well, too. She's determined to keep fighting in her own way.

God bless the woman. If you ask me, she's the real warrior here.

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Plynkes
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7/10/2017
One thinks we wouldn't be hearing this "less than 50%" business being trumpeted quite so much if a certain lady fond of tea had won by that margin. I'm certain all references to it would be being dismissed as irrelevant sour grapes at best, and probably as an insulting affront to the democratic system and the will of the electorate.

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Diptych
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7/18/2017
Woah woah woah; I'll bring your attention to the forum rules - in particular, the section "Be polite and respectful. Don’t post anything aggressive or personally offensive".

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Diptych
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7/18/2017
Mr Studebaker, if you are being deliberately provocative, I'll remind you once again to review the forum rules - consider yourself officially warned. Ms Vaincœur, I'll remind you that we must be civil even when others are being rude, and refrain from personal slights.

While I can't pretend to know for sure, I do like to think that Fallen London players, as a set, are right-minded good-hearted folks. And I certainly don't think Failbetter set out to shoo Feducci into office, by making him the only man running or by any other means.

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Wilhelm Klossner
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7/18/2017
GaryStudebaker wrote:
Of course the player base would vote overwhelmingly for him because he's a badass mysterious male and his portrait looks cool. That's what the typical manchild gamer likes.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that the player base of "Fallen London" consists of "typical manchild gamers". Not only these accusations are needlessly heavy and offensive, they are most likely completely baseless as well.

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dov
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7/19/2017
I'll just add that accusing FBG of choosing the candidates specifically so that one of them will win (i.e. Feducci in this case) is ridiculous.

There's no 3rd party independent vote counting here. FBG are the only ones who see the votes and announce the winner. Had they wanted Feducci to win, there'd be no need for them to carefully choose weak opponents for him.

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a Nice Friend
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7/21/2017
I won the luck-based choice (duelling for Feducci's enjoyment, odds are strongly against you) and
[spoiler] after complimenting me on my win, he implied he could use someone like me when the time comes. I gained a bunch of Connected: Revolutionaries and two tales of terror. Oh dear. [/spoiler]

I forgot to echo this because i forget to echo everything.
edited by a Nice Friend on 7/21/2017

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Sky
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7/10/2017
"So we didn't win? That doesn't mean it was all for nothing."

This should be an interesting year.

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7/10/2017
Congratulations to Feducci! The first mayor we can assassinate!

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Lady Sapho Byron
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7/10/2017
I'm looking forward to a Can't Discard card on which you have to gamble all your possessions and/or Notability.

  • edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/10/2017

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    Diptych
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    7/10/2017
    Oh well, there's always next year.

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    phryne
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    If nothing else, this proves beyond a doubt that the election is just popularity contest for who is "coolest" and things like candidates' actions and platforms ultimately don't matter, because they have no consequences.
    I hate having to break the bad news to you but that is how elections usually work the world over...

    Also, this was an election in a city ruled by eldritch horrors from space, so how can you be surprised at the win of an "evil cackling monster"? wink

    It's a game, and most people will go for the option that promises the most excitement, cos that's what most people play games for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/10/2017
    ...You know, I did more thinking about the Campaigner's crying. It shows how damn much the woman really cared. She wasn't running for personal gain, like a certain other candidate. She genuinely thought she could do some good and wanted to make the city better. And the city disappointed her, rejected her, spat upon her desire to help it. And yet she still fights on.

    God bless the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner. I may have a new candidate for favorite FL character now. This election has turned a minor character into one of the most badass old ladies in fiction.

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    Jeremy Avalon
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    7/10/2017
    Gillsing wrote:
    I myself believed that FBG just wanted to experiment and see if they could make more people change their votes this election.


    I don't think this is really in question. If the writers can't swing at least a noticeable percentage votes by gradually revealing information, then there is no point to having the Elections last two weeks.

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    Professor Strix
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    I don't think there really IS a solution. We've just proved that we can elect someone who might as well wear a sign that says "evil cackling monster" and not face any consequences for it. If nothing else, this proves beyond a doubt that the election is just popularity contest for who is "coolest" and things like candidates' actions and platforms ultimately don't matter, because they have no consequences.

    Unless they have three "cool" bad guys running against eachother in all future elections, I don't see how there can be much of a contest.


    I understand your annoyance, but this IS a game after all. Failbetter never stops remembering us that the forums are only a tiny fraction of the fanbase. And let's be honest here, people do vote on who they already know and Feducci is a much bigger part of Fallen London as of now than the others, particularly to players who are still in the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of people just chose him and stayed with him because changing would be too much trouble and "eh, it's just a game, who cares".

    While I do appreciate when content makers challenge our morality and help to encourage better life choices to the ones who consume the content, it is important to note that no game will be as complex and accurate as real life, neither a game has the duty to 'punish evil and reward good'. (Especially in FL, in which the 'lawmakers' of the Cosmos are potentially as corrupt and selfish as any human, so the setting barely even allows for some "karma" system.)

    All that I said up until now is assuming Feducci is really the evil choice, for the sake of the argument. But is he?

    I mean, real life isn't as clear cut as a FL election. In real life, it would totally be possible that, after elected, the DTC ended up being as corrupt (or corruptible) as everyone else, even if she started with good intentions. It would be possible for Feducci to start for apparently all the wrong reasons and end up surprising us positively in some way (by standing up to someone trying to harm London in a way that the ladies wouldn't). The point of an election is that, unless you know a candidate for years before it, you simply don't have enough evidence to conclusively say that they are better. It's always 50% leap of faith even after you do your research, and faith is always up to debate in a world in which people might lie and be a hypocrite for years before being caught.

    That said, as Lady Ciel pointed above, every person had their reasons to pick their candidate, and just because someone decided on something we don't approve, it doesn't mean that they did so for morally wrong reasons. Don't lose your faith in Humanity just yet, people. wink

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    Curious Foreigner
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    If they cared for platforms, they wouldn't have voted for Feducci because he didn't HAVE one.

    The game made that perfectly clear. He was just saying whatever would get him elected, playing the people of London for fools

    Firstly: Even if you were right, and Feducci didn't have a platform, people could have voted for him and still care about platforms. By despising the platforms of the other two enough to find no platform preferable.
    Secondly: Feducci has a platform. A fair game for all. The opportunity to rise for all.
    It's a vague platform, and he has no concrete plans to implement it, but it's a platform nonetheless.

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    Lady Sapho Byron
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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

    oh, hello, i remember you from the debates! see, I told you Feducci is gonna win. It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


    Or not. What's he trying to compensate for with that lance of his?



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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/10/2017
    ...Only a Feducci supporter can have a concept of "celebratory murdering."

    This. City. I just... I can't.

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    Kylestien
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    7/10/2017
    Congratulations to Feducci! The first mayor we can assassinate!


    Hate to break it to you, but he's actualy the first mayor we CAN'T assasinate. Trust me, I tried. As in, "I sliced him up into literal ribbons, fed him to rabid direwolves, then sliced up the direwolves and fed that to some Zee creatures and still somehow saw him next morning in the damm duel club" can't assasinate.
    edited by Kylestien on 7/10/2017

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    Did I miss something major? Was it really just popularity?

    yes, probably. I mean, for one, most of the players, even the newest ones, know him, either from his fighting rings or Black Ribbon society, and a fair number of them feels senitmental about their mutual stabbing time. Plus, he's cool. You can't fight coolness if you're an old tea lady. You can fight coolness as a shadowy detective who never lost a case, but let's be real. Feducci stabs people, rides a warhorse and if you throw a rotten tomato at him, he's gonna shoot it out of the air. I'm afraid quite a number of players are really just as shallow as you fear they are wink and a lot of people also roleplay as chaotic neutral or downright evil characters, so Feducci fits them well, even if the players' personal views don't align with his at all.

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    7/10/2017
    suinicide wrote:
    Congratulations to Feducci! The first mayor we can assassinate!

    actually, according to my "Who else is here?", someone is murdering him right this instant wink

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/10/2017
    Michelle wrote:
    (Let's just be thankful that at least the one basically wanting a police state did not win the election.)

    I'm not really sure why everyone seems to leap to the conclusion that wanting to reform the police force, weed out corruption, and provide for public servants that have been forgotten by the city suddenly means you want a jackbooted fascist police-state.

    I guess it's like how thinking maybe we should do something about rampant addiction and free flow of narcotics means no one is ever allowed to drink or use honey again under any circumstances. People are prone to seeing things in extremes. Oh hey, that's why they voted for the supposedly extreme candidate...

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    7/10/2017
    I am also looking forward to having more content on the Campaigner, especially not that her rubbery and clay sympathies have been revealed. Oh, and I am going to miss Jenny's beautiful art.

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    Charlotte_de_Witte
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    7/10/2017
    I for one welcome our new Presbyterate Overlords.


    (Congrats Feducci Gang! :-) )


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    7/10/2017
    The Implacable Detective wrote:
    Sorry about that. Never got the hang of vol-au-vents. Oh, don't look so downhearted. So we didn't win? That doesn't mean it was all for nothing.

    The Detective is taking all this in her stride.
    edited by Vavakx Nonexus on 7/10/2017

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    Curious Foreigner
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Again, that's my point. People don't care about platforms, so don't bother with presenting us a variety of candidates with different personalities and goals. Just give us three bad*sses, with three bad*ss platforms, and we might get a more even election.

    But they evidently do. Last year, Sinning Jenny won, despite of the Bishop being both more badass and having a more badass platform.
    The way I see it, people care about platforms. They just don't use the same value function as you to determine which platform is best.

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    Jolanda Swan
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    7/10/2017
    Well, Lady Byron's idea was splendid. I doubt if it could come to pass, but if Feducci wanted to at least put up a show, his card could be luck-based indeed.
    Jenny's card gave favors all around but this was Jenny from the beginning: trying to keep everyone satisfied. The new mayor's card should somehow reflect the menace and the gambler he is written to be.
    edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/10/2017

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/18/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    In the two elections, I suspect the sum of all votes for female characters and the sum of all votes for male characters is about the same.
    Election 1894: Jenny ~50%, Bishop+Contrarian ~50%
    Election 1895: Feducci ~50%, DTC+Detective ~50%

    Almost the same, but not quite.

    Election 1894: Jenny 55%, Bishop + Contrarian 45%
    Election 1895: Feducci 47-49%, Campaigner + Detective 51-53% [estimates based on Feducci getting "nearly half the vote" - i.e. just below 50%]

    So, comparing the performance of the three male candidates to the three female candidates, it seems the ladies have gotten more total votes both times.

    btw, does anyone else think it's very appropriate that the Fruits of the Zee festival comes right after the election? In June and July, London gets all up in arms about the election and the new mayor. In August, the whole city collectively chills out and goes fishing :P
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    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/19/2017

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    Akernis
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    7/19/2017
    If anything Failbetter are probably some of the most egalitarian game designers I have ever seen. Baring small jokes that reference real-life historical events (such as women not having the right to vote in Victorian London) Fallen London (and Sunless Sea) are overwhelmingly equal for representation for both male and female characters and treats both with respect.
    And if the forum is any representation of the wider audience then I will say that the Fallen London playerbase are some of the most respecting and accepting people in a gaming community I have ever seen online. In the roughly sixteen months I have been playing and on the forums I think that this may actually be the first time I have ever seen misogyny even being brought up like this.

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/19/2017
    Isaac Zienfried wrote:

    Entirely ignoring certain, ah, discussions as to why or how or for what purpose Feducci won, I will say there's a discussion worth having in terms of candidate selection. It is true that in both years, many of us could pick out the winner on day one, and in both cases they won with more than half the vote or "nearly" half.

    You know, in any three way race, you have pretty good odds of randomly guessing the winner. And in any election there's always the possibility of one candidate getting a much larger margin than the others. When these two intersect, a candidate's victory can seem incredibly obvious in hindsight, when it really wasn't.

    Why did Feducci get nearly half the vote? Was it because he was a big name, tough as nails warrior who players spent a lot of time interacting with and who was deeply involved in lots of lore heavy storylines? Well, the same applied to the Bishop, and the Bishop only got 10%. The relatively unknown Contrarian got a better margin than him (I'm pretty confident the Campaigner beat the Bishop as well, but we won't know for sure until FB releases the stats). Candidate selection is hard and I don't really see what they could do differently (also, I really liked the choices we were offered and the interrelated election stories).

    I think where the election could use some additional tweaks is the second week. The writers clearly wanted to encourage second week switching in order to increase volatility, uncertainty and engagement (in this they were immensely helped by Feducci being Feducci). The second week is where all the really juicy story information comes out. But you have a big penalty for switching mixed with a system that rewards players for election career (a reward that actually increased this year). The career reward isn't all that much, but a penalty is still a penalty and even small penalties can actively discourage a lot of people (I encountered several players who essentially told me "It's too late to switch" because they wouldn't be able to rebuild their election career levels). We had a lot more switching this year than last and it still wasn't enough to threaten the leading candidate. So right now, it's pretty clear that if one candidate "gallops ahead" in the second week polls then the race is pretty much over because sheer inertia is on their side. There need to be more opportunities for potential upsets.

    Maybe there should be alternative means of switching, so it's not a stark choice of losing 50% or paying fate (perhaps if you get X election resources you can switch with a smaller penalty?). Perhaps there should be a day or event where you can switch without any penalty whatsoever, similar to the Day of Agitation. Possibly the election day reward could be made completely independent of election career level, making election career purely about the votes? Or mayhaps Fixers could be given a bribery mechanic, so they can actively buy off an opponents supporters and those mostly interested in profit-first? The last would have the added bonus of giving Fixers more to do.

    Another possible tweak, perhaps the "meet and talk with the candidates" portion of the election should begin a week before the campaign gets formerly underway and get a little more content (as in, before the player can choose who to support). That way there would be more to think about before "committing" to a candidate in the first week of the election. So, they'd first see themselves as a voter, rather than as a supporter - when you consider yourself a supporter the barriers to new information are greater.

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    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/19/2017

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/18/2017
    Did anyone actually vote for a candidate they didn't think was cool? I thought the DTC was very cool. I nominated her because of her cool factor :P I want to see more of her because she is so cool. ^_^

    From a "lore" perspective, London is a violent city full of violent adventurers, so electing a violent adventurer mayor would not be out of character for the place. And Tomb Colonists can be rather fashionable - the Mercies for example are highly prized guests at London's many salons despite, or perhaps because of, their tendency to shoot holes in the ceiling. And, you know, Feducci isn't really a Tomb Colonist and I think most Londoners suspect as much, even if they don't voice their suspicions out loud.... :P

    Anyway, I thought Feducci a very realistic candidate. He fit the city and had this "I'm going to steal your stuff and you're going to let me because I'm awesome" confidence to him.
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    lady ciel
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    7/10/2017
    I supported Feducci because I had reasons not to support the other candidates. Everything that was revealed about him during the election I already knew and what came to light about both the DTC and Detective didn't make me want to change my candidate.

    So I don't appreciate hearing all this anti-Feducci supporter stuff. I didn't mind reading all the reasons why people thought the other candidates were the better option during the election. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Barse wrote:
    EDIT - gronostaj made broadly the same point a little faster than I could type.

    yes but yours is better formulated and certainly written in better English, so let's say you win here ;D

    Kukapetal wrote:

    People don't care about platforms, so don't bother with presenting us a variety of candidates with different personalities and goals. Just give us three bad*sses, with three bad*ss platforms, and we might get a more even election.

    Actually no, I just said people do care about platforms, they just don't care about the moral higher ground platforms. You could as well say "just give us three reform-oriented bores and we will have an even election". Just because your candidate's views don't align with mainstream players choices, it doesn't mean that people don't choose based on platforms. They do. They just value different sort of platforms than you do.
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Yes, the other two could have also waged campaigns full of empty, contradictory promises. But we don't know that. We definitely know that Feducci did though. And people don't care.

    we don't know if they're empty promises if he's been a mayor for like four hours. I for one think that he'll try his best at destabilising the system and introducing some gambles into the citiziens' everyday life, just for sport if nothing else. and as for contradictions-.... well, cut him some slack, his first power-grab revolution was in hell, where contradictory promises are valid all the same wink that had to leave some mark on logic

    edit: and the reasons as to why people not care about revealed dirt on him are very different from person to person, as was established several times on this thread already. So at least that should tell you that everything about candidates matter- their personality, popularity, platform- as well as the personal approach of players, the style of their roleplay etc.
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    LukeFBG
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    I know this is a game, you guys. My point was that this election revealed that candidate reputations and platforms make absolutely no difference in how the players vote and so if FBG wants a more even election in the future, they should concentrate less on candidate beliefs and revealing lore about them during flash lays and more on making sure each candidate is a cool bad*ss.

    I think it's disingenuous to say that candidates' reputations and platforms make absolutely no difference. People (some people, not necessarily all - I wouldn't want to speak for everyone) can and have made perfectly informed decisions to vote for who they have voted for based entirely on a candidate's beliefs and campaign platform. Some of them did so and voted for Feducci. Whether one can feel out one's way to agreeing with them, or seeing why they did so, is another matter entirely, but the fact is that not everyone who voted for the winner did so simply because they might think he's a badass, and definitely not because they or their characters are evil, an implication which I've seen once or twice and which I find quite unsettling. Some people simply liked his promises.

    I find it helps assuage the bitterness or disappointment of one's candidate not winning to look at it as Plynkes says - FBG will not punish players for taking a story option they themselves provided and gave equal platform to. The election is less about governance and significant reform of our little browser game and more about a side-character getting a little more bonus content. Sure, it's a shame to some - I'm still sad we didn't get more of the Jovial Contrarian out of last year - but ultimately it means we will see more of an extremely interesting individual as a supplement to future festivals. As someone who loves to RP, this is one time where RPing one's severe disappointment is not so fun; better to see it from a player's perspective.

    EDIT - gronostaj made broadly the same point a little faster than I could type.
    edited by Barse on 7/10/2017
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    7/10/2017
    Aardvark wrote:
    This might also be a good opportunity for FBG to actually show some real repercussions to London, such as a non-discardable "Mayor's Universally Harmful Policies" card that would force a negative choice on you.

    innit that a little too much? Plenty of Londoners are criminals, rogues, yadda yadda bad people all around. What might be harmful to a respectable lawful-leaning citiziens would be beneficial for a criminal.

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    Sara Hysaro
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    7/10/2017
    Here's hoping Feducci will provide an interesting story during his term! Not my first choice, but at least he's interesting enough to have potential.

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    Hark DeGaul
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    7/10/2017
    Màiread wrote:
    I've played for donkey's years and never heard of the DTC.

    Clearly this is a sign that we need more Campaigner content! I would welcome a Rubbery Tea Party storyline to give us more information on the Campaigner almost as much as I dread our now inevitable takeover by the Presbyterate, a nation that somehow never worked out there really is a Surface despite all living forever and yet still think we're the idiots.

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    PSGarak
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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant. From what I have seen, Feducci was the objectively worst choice, with Failbetter going as far as including many of his flaws and faults as information in the election itself. It makes me question how he could not only win, but win with ~50% of the votes.

    Everyone else had a plan, hardly any skeletons in their closets, and actually good intentions. Why in blazes did 50% vote for the flashy big-mouth with no plan but "We're going to do things differently!" and a dedicated room only for all his skeletons? In this community, no less!

    EDIT: I am not trying to incite anyone, these are my actual questions. Did I miss something major? Was it really just popularity?
    edited by Jillius on 7/10/2017

    The Temperance Campaigner has explicitly called out Spirifers as one of her targets, of which I am one. So that's out.

    Frankly, the Detective's associations with the Fingerkings worry me more than Feducci's associations with the Presbytere (but the opposite view certainly has merit). Firstly, I think the Fingerkings are a bigger danger in general. Secondly, the Detective's position seems to be one of indebtedness, whereas I get the impression that Feducci's current relationship isn't one of subservience.

    I also think that Feducci's lack of platform may have helped. I don't see him having much interest in actually changing London, and I don't think he'll do much damage, whereas the Detective's plans make me worried. She wants to assume the authority of deciding morality and corruption herself, and that centralization of power worries me. She also doesn't deal with setbacks well (the Fingerking thing again), while Feducci doesn't seem to mind obstacles.

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    Màiread
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    7/10/2017
    As for why people voted Feducci, I can't swear to it, but I suspect the extremely minimal impact last year's mayor had on the overall direction of London's stories probably made people more willing to back the 'fun but morally reprehensible' candidate, and to care less about the manifestos. That and there are a lot of people who RP slightly shady types. I'm decidedly not in the group of people who think Feducci is fun, but that's politics for you!

    As I say, I felt last year's candidatrs were pretty evenly matched in terms of player familiarity. Given that name recognition plays such a big role it might be worth doing a little research into how well-known NPCs are among the playerbase. I'd imagine the Barbed Wit & Acclaimed Beauty, both Widows, Last Constable etc are pretty well-known, while someone like Grace (super cool!) or the Rubbery from the Polite Invitation are less easily recognised.

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    7/10/2017
    The good news is I just saved a ton of money by switching my landau insurance to Reprehensible Lizard.

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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant.

    EDIT: I am not trying to incite anyone, these are my actual questions. Did I miss something major? Was it really just popularity?


    Maybe because the average player treats it as fun game, rather than applying their real-world political views to a bonkers cartoon universe. I was in Feducci's camp because as a player I want a fallen London with a murderous maniac in charge, rather than pair of well-meaning but tiresome stick-the-muds. Because it's more fun that way!

    And my character simply picked a candidate at random, as she used the entire election to get up to nefarious deeds and used all those election fixers to clear up after her.

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    7/10/2017
    I am sure that by now most people would have realized that they will really regret it if they insult someone and then happens to support the same candidates next year, sportsmanship aside. wink

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    LukeFBG
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    7/10/2017
    Well, there we go! Looking forward to the results breakdown and future mayor content.

    Sorry to everyone whose social actions I declined/didn't answer - there was a lot going on and my contacts list is pretty swollen - I got around to as many as possible.

    Thanks FBG for another fun election! The social action element was interesting, and as a trial run makes me hopeful for the future of cooperative/adversarial social content.
    edited by Barse on 7/10/2017
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    7/10/2017
    Hark DeGaul wrote:
    Well, we have made our beds and that bed is Feducci. Let's hope his bandages make him comfortable to lie on.

    shall the volunteers to test that out form a queue? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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    7/10/2017
    Entirely unrelated to the election, but that splash art gives me the creeps. Something about his eyes is entirely alien.

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/10/2017
    The good news is, I've already started off the year winning my bets.

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    Posts: 515

    7/10/2017
    YEA!!! FEDUCHINI!!!

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    Curious Foreigner
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    Posts: 210

    7/10/2017
    folklore364 wrote:
    I am rather curious as to why the spy for the presbatriate was elected. As to his winning, welp I time to go into overdrive on great gamers and find some more castigator venom. So many spys, so little time.

    Last year we had Sinning Jenny, this year it's Feducci. If it happens again next year, having a Mayor under foreign influence can be considered traditional.
    edited by Curious Foreigner on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Aardvark wrote:
    I can get the criminal masterminds, spirifers and others with malign intent voting for him. But for the people who wave his "Fair play" slogans and talk about equal opportunities, since when did Hell play fair? And do you really think that a CHIEF AGENT of a foreign power has no plan to run the city into ground?

    I think a lot of that was really just a cover for the fact that, well... the DTC is a proper, respectable Society lady while the Detective is a ruthless enemy of crime. And they were running for a popular vote in a city that is, in its own in-setting lore, a hive of scum and villainy. Most player characters are thriving in that hive (hell, mine is, in a way, if only because scummy villains provide plenty of opportunities to dole out punches). I doubt many people really went for Feducci's policies... so much as feared the prospect of people who would genuinely try to reform the libertine nature of London.

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    7/10/2017
    Hubris Glamore wrote:
    Now if you'll excuse me, being as there's a lot of rovering Feducci supporters roaming the streets, I think it's time I catch a boat out to Tanah-Chook to attend to another matter while all the celebrations die down.

    WHY LEAVE? Grab a stick and swing in every general direction! The fools are too drunk to properly fight back, even!

    ...I might prefer this outcome over winning, come to think of it. Huh.

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    Lady Sapho Byron
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    7/19/2017
    Kaijyuu wrote:
    If they want to encourage switching then they should not release any information on who's in the lead. There's a well known effect in political science where people will vote for whoever they think will win, probably due to a desire to be on the "winning side". Some countries ban publication of exit polls and the like during voting periods for this reason.


    I think an interesting question is this: does the winning side effect play out in the FL context? Unlike RL elections, the FL mayoral race doesn't really matter ... and many people play the game for RP purposes, and thus vote as their character would vote. Does this dampen or eliminate the winning side effect? Are FL players less prone to the winning side effect vis-à-vis the general population (because of our awesomeness)?

    With my admittedly faulty memory, I recall that in the 1894 election, which was well polled over nearly it's entirety

    http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22651-election-im-contributing-n-votes-for-c.aspx

    Jenny's level of support stayed pretty constant throughout.

    BTW, this poll predicted:

    Jenny: 49.3% (55% actual)
    Contrarian: 33.1% (35%)
    Bishop: 17.4% (10%)

    In any event, FBG is perfectly positioned to address my question. They know how votes were distributed before and after the mid-feastival polls came out.

  • edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/19/2017

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    7/19/2017
    *Gasp* A veil? How ludicrously lascivious; men must surely have had no choice but to vote for her based on her overtly sexual appearance. It couldn't have anything to do with her policies or her desire to help the poor or her background as a warrior nun. If anything, I feel as though you're ignoring all of her other characteristics in favor of painting her as a sex object. Isn't that a bit misogynistic - claiming a woman only won because of her body instead of her brain, as if she just sat there looking pretty and doing nothing?

    BFW Edit to get rid of glowing tinder.
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    Cosette des Fleurs
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    7/23/2017
    Apparently in Italian (I assume Feducci is an Italian name) "nouns ending with a stressed vowel, with -i or -u or with a consonant are invariant, the plural is the same as the singular." We have no way to know if Feducci is singular or plural.

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    Kaijyuu
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    7/10/2017
    Well, that's the nature of people who use debate as a tool for persuasion, instead of one for greater mutual understanding.

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    Siankan
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    7/10/2017
    Congratulations to the victors, and I won't repeat any woeful remarks about the Presbyterate's new colony.

    You know what I would love to see, though? A higher profile for the losers in the coming year, too. Sure, neither lady's plans worked out, but neither sounds ready to retire to the Tomb Colonies, either. Will the Detective keep working on her mysterious plans? Will the Campaigner make an effort to help those who get the short end of Feducci's policies? You can bet your peculiar enhancement they will. A little storylet, maybe as an appendage to some seasonal event, that lets us see what these ladies are up to during the Feducci administration would be very welcome to me. I doubt I'm entirely alone.

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    Gillsing
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    7/11/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    I think you're being very subjective and calling it objective.

    I think you're looking too deeply into your candidate. Put yourself in the shoes of the vast majority who doesn't come to the forum, and imagine how much 'Fallen London' they are likely to see in the different candidates. Whether they know if Feducci is a Tomb-Colonist or not, a bandaged man is already very 'Fallen London' for people who know about the Tomb-Colonists.

    But feel free to stick to your guns. At least they have unlimited ammo.
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    LillianAranach
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    7/11/2017
    Congratulations darlings. It was quite fun campaigning, and although my preferred candidate lost, I'm optimistic, as always, for the coming year.

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    7/11/2017
    Frederick Metzengerstein wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    I feel it's more like he's laughing about the jeers he's getting.
    He's laughing because he's psychotic.

    Or simply because he finds joy in the moment.

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    7/11/2017
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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    My friend, unless you and most others go about hacking their human victims into chum after a good stabbing

    i can't in good conscience say this never happend. but he came back fine though- even ran for a mayor!

    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    If you can't tell, I'm a bit passionate about the nice members of these waxy fiends

    oh I fully understand passion. I, for one, am passionate about not having my face stolen in some dimly-lit alley. I am very attached to my face, you see, and I am genuinely in love with the idea of my face remaining attached to me

    for the record I'm mostly kidding. mostly.

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    How could anyone vote for him based on his platform when they know there's a huge chance he isnt being genuine?

    Simple: They have seen Jenny, a different spy, do the exact same thing, and it turned out she was genuine.

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    7/10/2017
    How could anyone vote for him based on his platform when they know there's a huge chance he isnt being genuine? I simply have to believe the vast majority of players understand this and therefore must face voted for him for a different reason, because the alternative (that they were all actually duped by card carrying evil villain), just seem ludicrous.



  • I don't see how he's a villain.
    • He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That's in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.
    • He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.
    • He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don't know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they've much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.
    • He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There's no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.
    • He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn't eternal or for everyone.
    • He spies for his home country because he's a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn't have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he'll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don't know why you're all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.


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    Gul al-Ahlaam
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    7/10/2017
    Could you be so kind to state/PM your sources concerning the desert track, the Ship of Lights and the far shore/judgments bit? I can't seem to remember this lore. I beg to differ about the first point, though. Since he knows he's technically immortal AND indestructible, I would hardly call these duels straightforward or "fair".

    • The Far Shore/Judgements bit is from the end of the Family Ties season of exceptional stories, where you're given the option to visit the far shore and see what happens after you die.
    • The Ship of Lights bit is from Seven Minutes to Midday, and the Regretful Soldier's story in the House of Chimes.
    • The Desert Trek is from his confession last Feast of Masks.

  • And I'd say that while he's not risking as much as his dueling opponents, they all seem to be hoping he'll kill them in the first place, so it's not as big a deal.

  • EDIT:
    Hell, you could stick him in Pirates of the Caribbean and he wouldn't stand out.
    I KNEW there was a reason I loved him so much!

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    Kaijyuu
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    7/19/2017
    Jenny was obviously going to win from day 1 considering the playerbase, though I'm not sure FBG consciously considered this. I feel the second election had more balanced candidates; a libertarian, temperance campaigner, and someone associated with the police are very much not in the image of modern progressives, so the playerbase wasn't going to pick one based on their real life political beliefs.
    edited by Kaijyuu on 7/19/2017

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    Kukapetal
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    7/18/2017
    GaryStudebaker wrote:


    Why was it obvious Feducci would win? Misogyny... it still is a major factor in real life politics, so it's going to be magnified many times over in the gaming community. A couple old woman just don't appeal to the typical white male gamer, just look at things like the 'GamerGate' controversy and you'll see the reaction to feminist notions by the gaming community at large is VIOLENT rejection.


    So why did Jenny win last year, despite running against two male characters? :P
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    7/11/2017
    Frederick Metzengerstein wrote:
    dov wrote:
    Or simply because he finds joy in the moment.

    Joy in the moment of achieving his evil objectives.

    So how is that psychotic (which was your point to which I've replied)?

    He set out to achieve a goal (no matter the motivation), and has achieved it. His fans cheer. He enjoys himself and laughs.

    That's not psychotic. That's a normal reaction.

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    Gillsing
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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant.

    Meh.

    Feducci was simply more 'Fallen London' than the two other candidates, who were mostly defined by their quite reasonable but rather boring politics. If you ask around in the real world, most people are sure to find politics boring. Don't be fooled by the loud minority that enjoys arguing politics online. Those people do not represent the vast majority.

    And it wasn't until the flash lays and investigations changed for the second week that Feducci appeared incompetent. Maybe he felt that it was too easy, so he lost interest, and didn't properly defend against a smear campaign perpetrated by sneaky agents and bribed campaign workers? Since I didn't bother doing either investigations or flash lays it didn't really matter to my character, but I myself believed that FBG just wanted to experiment and see if they could make more people change their votes this election. The Implacable Detective actually seemed like a pretty good choice after half the Constables had left. But I still remember disagreeing with her in the Dilmun Club. And that is serious business. Maybe support from the Last Constable could've swayed me though. Maybe.

    In the first election I supported Sinning Jenny because she'd been doing a lot of nice things for me before, so I felt she deserved my support. In this election I supported Feducci because I don't particularly care about organised temperance or the Constables. I still maintain that the Implacable Detective could've gained more support by having her banners carried by trained monkeys. Because that would have been a sight to behold, and made her much more 'Fallen London'. Consider that a tip for next year's candidates: If you're not 'Fallen London' enough already, surround yourself with an army of trained animals. Most of us have an entire zoo at home. Show that you too are a Fallen Londoner!
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    Kyria
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    7/10/2017
    Would be nice if one of the choices on the opportunity card would be researching ways to kill him permanently.

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    7/10/2017
    Now its all done, I'd be curious to know who various London luminaries supported. I figuer the Cheery Man as a low key detective supporter, despite their obvious differences. I'd be curious to know who, if anybody, the functionary supported and part of me can't help but feel the Bishop would be a little conflicted 'I loath his associations with Hell, but I do like his 'Fight Everybody' policy. Hmmm.'

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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    I know this is a game, you guys. My point was that this election revealed that candidate reputations and platforms make absolutely no difference in how the players vote and so if FBG wants a more even election in the future, they should concentrate less on candidate beliefs and revealing lore about them during flash lays and more on making sure each candidate is a cool bad*ss.
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Barse, the game made it completely clear that Feducci didn't HAVE a platform. He was just flinging crap against a wall to see what stuck. I don't see how anyone could have voted for him based on a platform that didn't exist :P

    Yet he won, and if that doesn't prove that a candidates platform doesn't matter, I don't know what does.

    All politics are smoke and mirrors and promises. That's also a part of platform, unless there are some linguistic differences between what "political platform" means in my native and English.

    Feducci didn't seem to have an idea how to reliably put his ideas into life besides vague "dog-eats-dog equality and gambling". Fine by my character, not necessarily myself IRL wink But neither did DTC, besides vague "let's get the bad stuff out of people's hands and put it somewhere else". The only candidate that actually very obviously had an entire, reliable, executable plan with steps and all, was the Implacable Detective.

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    I know this is a game, you guys. My point was that this election revealed that candidate reputations and platforms make absolutely no difference in how the players vote and so if FBG wants a more even election in the future, they should concentrate less on candidate beliefs and revealing lore about them during flash lays and more on making sure each candidate is a cool bad*ss.

    I'm not so sure about this. If Feducci (for some unfathomable reason) campaigned for temperance and austerity, you wouldn't catch me dead (heh) anywhere near his supporters, and I would be the first one to support Dauntless Bloodsports Campaigner. However, the candidate platforms are directly influenced by their personality. Feducci happens to be both cool-ish stabby guy and have a platform that is in tune with general dog-eats-dog criminal-ish feel of the underground London.

    This could perhaps be slightly hm, what's the word, like "avoided" but less final- anyway, if new candidates were introduced, not met in-game previously, a blank slates of sorts. But then, I suppose the elections wouldn't be such impactful events- knowing the candidates from previous interactions, one tends to be emotionally tied to them.
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    Curious Foreigner
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    He's also a spy, which makes him hostile to London and its people by DEFINITION. You cannot trust him to be genuine about anything. Even if he did have a coherent platform, it's likely to be a bunch of BS anyway. He's working for his own nation, NOT London.

    So was Jenny, and her platform turned out to not be BS.
    I assume most players realize this, therefore, his "platform" must not matter to them and they chose him based on other reasons (he's cool, he'll make an interesting mayor, etc).
    Again, this shows what players really want in a candidate and so future elections should offer similar candidates to allow there to be more of an actual competition.

    Baseless assumptions. People can know that Feducci works with/for the Presbyter and still believe he genuinely wants to implement his platform.
    edited by Curious Foreigner on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Drake Dynamo wrote:
    LMAO all these people who want Feducci to add a negative card to the deck. That would be like if last year all of us Bishop people demanded Jenny put a card that gives the player an STD into the deck. Everyone's gotta chill out.


    In my proposal there could be a positive outcome. Some people will win under Feducci, after all ... just not everyone. I'd like a mayor card (no matter who the mayor is) that is not only benefits.

    That said, I like very much how Jenny's school and (I presume) the Season of Stones spun out of Jenny's election. I am particularly curious to see what will come of Feducci's mayorship.

    Even more importantly however, I want more content on the Honey Well!
    edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.

    Firstly, Sinning Jenny is a spy, and yet her term as mayor has shown me that she isn't hostile to London. She was a positive influence all around.
    Secondly, the baseless assumption is that Feducci's platform can't matter to all people who know he's a spy.

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    7/10/2017
    Huzzah!

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    7/10/2017
    And that's a wrap! Let's hope the card is good.

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    7/10/2017
    Maybe next year the obvious landslide candidate will be the one I like.

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    dov
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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant.

    It was also very much the expected result, so there's no surprise there.
    Even more once the mid-election poll results were announced.

    I mean, there are thousands, if not tens of thousands players. No amount of forum activity is likely to make a difference (though we'll know more when FBG release the election statistics).

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    7/10/2017
    A figure cloaked in dark, flowing fabric stands near the front of the crowd--close enough to hear and see all, far enough not to be recognized. A jeering denouncer of the newly-elected Mayor raises her lantern high, the light flashing over the figure's face, revealing a sharp, satisfied smile.


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    Glad my candidate won, and might I congratulate our opponents for putting up such a good fight despite Feducci's clear popularity from the start?

    It was a fun election once again, though I have to agree that the debate mechanic, while entertaining, needs desperate rebalancing for next year. I got precisely two debates done during the whole election, and didn't even get to cash in my rewards, since a minimum of a 1000 was needed--a bad choice, in my opinion--and I only had 800 (one win, one draw). All other debates (and oh, I tried plenty) took roughly 6-8 hours between every action, and were frequently canceled by my opponent near the end (which happened so often close to the end of the election that it eventually even lead to me becoming suspicious that this was done on purpose, to stall/try to keep Feducci supporters from debating at all).

    This could just be my interpretation, but I also seemed to notice far more genuine, meta-level vitriol, as opposed to the in-character kind, this election, while I don't remember that from last year. At times the Feducci thread seemed to be filled with more detractors than supporters.

    All in all: looking forward to what this year will bring us, it should certainly be interesting, but I do hope that the debate mechanic will be rebalanced for next year, because honestly, aside from those two good, honest debates, the rest were decidedly Not Fun.

    P.S.: I'll miss Jenny! D:

    ETA: gronostaj wrote:
    a lot of people also roleplay as chaotic neutral or downright evil characters, so Feducci fits them well, even if the players' personal views don't align with his at all.

    Precisely my reasoning. My character's supposed to be a criminal mastermind, so it would make no sense whatsoever for them to vote for anyone but Feducci, even if he's somewhat of a wild card. The other two would only be guaranteed to make trouble for them.
    edited by Anaïs Grant on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
    that snippet of her is heartbreaking. You just made sweet old nana cry, you monsters.

    oh my god she cried. i'm a monster. Detective took it in stride though. Now I wish failbetter released the planned snippet for Feducci losing. I'm really curious what would his reaction be and whether he'd vacate the Blythenhale manor without a fight

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    7/10/2017
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant. From what I have seen, Feducci was the objectively worst choice, with Failbetter going as far as including many of his flaws and faults as information in the election itself. It makes me question how he could not only win, but win with ~50% of the votes.

    Everyone else had a plan, hardly any skeletons in their closets, and actually good intentions. Why in blazes did 50% vote for the flashy big-mouth with no plan but "We're going to do things differently!" and a dedicated room only for all his skeletons? In this community, no less!

    EDIT: I am not trying to incite anyone, these are my actual questions. Did I miss something major? Was it really just popularity?
    edited by Jillius on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Oh, the person murdering him is actually a Feducci supporter themselves.........- so, celebratory murdering, I suppose? wink
    edited by gronostaj on 7/12/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant.


    We're being polite, and not insulting our fellow players' choice of candidate!

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    7/10/2017
    Feducci having the best hat while the two ladies having comparatively worse hats (or in case of Dauntless, a redundant hat) might have some impact, too.

    I mean, some of us might metagames and grab the hat we want before switching side at the start, but most probably won't.

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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    Blech
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    7/10/2017
    It ain't the Stereoscopists, but it is no less wonderful!

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    lady ciel
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    7/10/2017
    I'm sure any of the candidates would have made fine mayors but I am happy that Feducci won.

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    Gul al-Ahlaam
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    7/10/2017
    I based my OOC decision on the result of the last election, for the most part. It seemed that, since they had no control over laws or law enforcement, the role of the mayor was to use public money and authority to implement one significant personal project before leaving office. Its also seemed that the various alliances and scandals primarily added flavor to the mayoral events, without significantly impacting their outcomes, while what determined the candidate's project was their overall sensibility and creed, rather than their specific decisions during the campaign.

  • On these grounds, I decided that Feducci would be the best from a player's perspective, since he would add lots of lore and flavor related to the Presbyterate, my favorite part of the setting, while implementing some sort of liberty-enhancing project, likely directed toward breaking up the aristocracy, or sponsoring more unterzee trade, or something like that. My character was also a poor fit for either of the other candidates, since they strongly object to people enforcing their laws or morals on others.

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    7/10/2017
    Fantastic! I congratulate all my fellow Feducci supporters for a job well done! Away with laws, restrictions, and morals! In with adventure, and excitement, and fountains of hot thick blood! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to numb my face with laudanum and try to ride a fungus-column like a horse.


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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    I assume most players realize this, therefore, his "platform" must not matter to them and they chose him based on other reasons (he's cool, he'll make an interesting mayor, etc).

    yeah, but that's "meta" knowledge. some players know this (but lets be real, outside this forum, its a miracle if someone knows hes not a dead rotting tomb-colonist, not to mention presbyterate spy. seriously, a lot of players just DON'T know these things you and I take for granted. Hell, (heh) I still learn new lore things every day I'm on the forum, and I'm an end-game player.) but their characters might not.

    not to mention, honestly, being under a foreign power influence? In Fallen London, the seat of the great game where literally everyone's allegiance is questionable at best? Hardly his most damning attribute ;P His ties to Presbyterate aren't more shown-off in game or treated as more scandalous in text than Detective's ties to parabolean danger noodles, or DTC's revolutionary ties.

    edit: heh, people do like rubbery men. though i'm rather devils person myself. see? another incentive to vote for Feducci. like I said, reasons to pick a candidate differ a lot, like seriously, A LOT, between said candidate's supporters.
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Some fellow anarchists abstain from the vote, and I curtsy deep to their own brand of commitment...but I'm of a different stripe. My anarchist heinie will get to threatening he who I helped elevate to the throne post-haste. Feducci knew he'd be precariously placed upon winning when he entered the race, so all said and done? Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair Bomb Throwing!




    All daggers drawn against authority point ever at the throne, whatever head be mounted there. Electing those who hate the constabulary interfering in their business as much as I do is almost as delicious as thwarting Mayoral power and the constabulary alike! I'd rather have a revolutionary on my side than anyone else...but criminals are a distant second in an "enemy of my enemy" kind of way. Should Feducci make criminals the enforcers of governmental power in the constabulary's stead, that'll change right quick though let me tell you!

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    TeslaWalker wrote:
    Well, to those who supported Feducci... whatever comes next you've brought it down on everyone's heads.

    so I imagine once all these good things come out of it, you'll be thanking us profusely for our valiant fight? wink

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    Plynkes
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    7/10/2017
    Non-discardable, negative opportunity cards because the election didn't go your way? LoL, talk about sour grapes. You'd be screaming injustice to the rooftops if that was done to YOUR precious candidates.

    It's funny, people seem to be taking this as badly as if it were actually a real election, rather than an election to see whose face gets put on an opportunity card for a year in an online role-playing game.

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
    Feducci wrote:
    "But this is only the beginning. Now we raise the stakes. London is in for a most exciting year."


    Not going to lie... that is more than a little terrifying.

    you meant to write exciting? wink

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    Plynkes
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    7/10/2017
    Well, I appear to be still involved in a debate. I guess our characters overslept and haven't heard the result. Or they just don't care. We've talked about putting on a play for the people who have turned up instead.

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/10/2017
    That was another big part of it. Not just that Feducci is a rogue, but the other two, well... it may be unwise to say, but they were associated with factions that are seen as "conservative" in the real world (church/upper-class and police), and I'd hazard a guess few people here lean that way.

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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    Gillsing wrote:

    And it wasn't until the flash lays and investigations for the second week that Feducci appeared incompetent.


    I don't think he ever appeared incompetent, that glimpse into his disorganized election campaign was simply to show the player that he didn't have an actual platform and was just saying stuff to get himself elected.
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    Estelle Knoht
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    7/17/2017
    Just imagine the old lady to be a hyper focused player who does nothing but grind Constable Renown 24/7 even if she capped it, and there you go :P

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    Kukapetal
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    7/19/2017
    My apologies. My comment about not wanting to see Feducci in my card deck was just meant to be a bit of humor to lighten things up. Not the brightest move I've ever made, but I really wasn't trying to upset anybody or contribute to the flames. Won't happen again.
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    Kaijyuu
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    7/19/2017
    If they want to encourage switching then they should not release any information on who's in the lead. There's a well known effect in political science where people will vote for whoever they think will win, probably due to a desire to be on the "winning side". Some countries ban publication of exit polls and the like during voting periods for this reason.

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    7/23/2017
    Subtly creepy linguistic trivia aside, it wouldn't be all that hard for someone else to pretend to be Feducci. Just need to wrap bandages around their head and project a sense of vague threatening-ness. Maybe Feducci isn't really immortal, maybe every time you kill him, someone else picks up the identity. #illuminati confirmed.

    Maybe the real Feducci is the friends we made along the way.

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    Lady Sapho Byron
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    7/24/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    He honestly seems kind of small and spiteful to me with all this lashing out. Like, it's not all that impressive to try and instigate a fight between heavily armed supporters and peaceful protesters. That indicates, 1) the protesters shouts are actually getting under his bandages and 2) he's a bit of a sneak and a bully when things aren't going his way. His little conspiracy is also a sign of weakness, as it follows directly from his inability to pass any meaningful legislation.

    I don't think Feducci is having fun :P


    This sounds really familiar ... but I just can't figure out why.


  • edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/24/2017

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    Diptych
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    7/25/2017
    As always, in the interest of civility, let's keep contemporary real-world politics off the table. I'm always up for a good political discussion, but this isn't the place for it.

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    matlex wrote:
    I am quite surprised at how much Feducci beat the Implacable detective by.

    how much exactly? Do we have the official numbers already? the feducci took around 50% of votes,

    He took less than 50%.

    yes I know, I know, that's why I said "around 50%", or, to directly quote the winner announcement, "nearly half the vote" it's okay, really. I know.

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    7/10/2017
    WinterIV wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Gillsing wrote:

    And it wasn't until the flash lays and investigations for the second week that Feducci appeared incompetent.


    I don't think he ever appeared incompetent, that glimpse into his disorganized election campaign was simply to show the player that he didn't have an actual platform and was just saying stuff to get himself elected.



    It comes down to two unfortunate revelations.

    1. People simply aren't reading the extra text that Failbetter writes for the candidates. Unless you are one of the madpeople here in the forum you may not catch every bit of text and every single update.

    Or, more disturbingly:

    2. People don't care. They backed the candidate on day one and nothing anyone writes is going to make them change their minds. Is this a human brain problem? Or is it that changing candidates punishes you in the election? Maybe a combo of the two?

    An interesting experiment would be to front-load more positive information about the candidates in the first week. You know, more platforms details, more descriptions of supporters, and such. Certain very popular parts of the DTC's program weren't revealed until the second week - would they have won more votes if they had been right out front in the first week? Maybe.

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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner wrote:
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

    The Sisterhood does, however, want to kill an important figure in London's leadership.

    And we all weep for his safety.

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    gronostaj
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    7/11/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    And there are plenty of figures like Feducci in human history. Look up Gabriel D'annunzio.

    the major similarity between the two is that they both have questionable morality but impeccable aesthetics. seriously, have you seen Feducci's fighting rings? silent ring with rose petals marking the edge of it? top of the cathedral dome with the ringmaster perched on a cathedral cross like a big bad raven?, if this isnt the most #goth thing in London since drowning in wells

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    dov
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    7/11/2017
    ProfessorDetective wrote:
    So between the experienced politician and the highly prolific officer of the law... we went with the DUELIST? Okay then.

    I'd say that none of the candidates were an experienced politician and the detective was never an officer of the law (she's a private investigator - the police commonly rely on her expertise to solve cases, like they sometimes approach the player character themselves for help).

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    Pumpkinhead
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    7/11/2017
    Incidentally, how are the black ribbon duels going to work, what with the society's leader now heading London? Does this mean I get to repeatedly kill the mayor?
    There's a good way for all those disheartened by the results to let out their griefs.

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    Jolanda Swan
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    7/11/2017
    I am guessing Great Game favors, and maybe Criminal?
    Though I would honestly prefer luck based challenges, for narrative reasons.
    edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/11/2017

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    dov
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    7/11/2017
    Aardvark wrote:
    Do we remember how long it took for the card to begin appearing after last year's Election? Can't wait to see what we're heading into...


    Last year, the election ended on July 18th, and the new card's information was added to the wiki on July 26th. So roughly one week.

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    7/11/2017
    Thjazi wrote:
    G N wrote:
    Some fellow anarchists abstain from the vote, and I curtsy deep to their own brand of commitment...but I'm of a different stripe. My anarchist heinie will get to threatening he who I helped elevate to the throne post-haste. Feducci knew he'd be precariously placed upon winning when he entered the race, so all said and done? Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair Bomb Throwing!


    All daggers drawn against authority point ever at the throne, whatever head be mounted there. Electing those who hate the constabulary interfering in their business as much as I do is almost as delicious as thwarting Mayoral power and the constabulary alike! I'd rather have a revolutionary on my side than anyone else...but criminals are a distant second in an "enemy of my enemy" kind of way. Should Feducci make criminals the enforcers of governmental power in the constabulary's stead, that'll change right quick though let me tell you!





    Oh, bravo! Well met, comrade! I was beginning to think my character was the only one who'd voted for the candidate they most want to see against the wall in the coming revolution.


    Really, that was the key for me-- my character is an idealistic (but not pacifistic) revolutionary who has plans toward violent revolt and overthrow as necessary. Much better for Feducci to be the target of those plans than a couple of truly honest and honorable (if misguidedly orthodox) Londoners. Feducci is even directly asking for it. Fair Game, indeed.



    Ah, but consider criminality as propaganda of the deed and anarchist critiques of criminology qua criminology, comrade, and you'd see the one most directly asking for being thrown against the wall is in fact our Implacable Detective! I voted for the one most likely to weaken the right parts of the system, it's only a cherry on top that he's practically immortal while he does so. Doesn't mean Feducci won't dole out his own punitive or oppressive measures worth resisting but at least he'll be weakening the constabulary while he does it!

    Has your character heard of expropriative or insurrectionary anarchism? Illegalism? Albert Libertad, Ravachol, Auguste Vaillant, Émile Henry, Sante Geronimo Caserio, Johann Most, Luigi Galleani? My character certainly has, and thinks of Feducci as a choice to help just such tendencies of anarchism to do their thing.

    G.N. is nothing if not multi-tendency in their anarchism! ^_~

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    Blaine Davidson
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    Posts: 396

    7/12/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Jolanda Swan wrote:
    I am guessing Great Game favors, and maybe Criminal?
    Though I would honestly prefer luck based challenges, for narrative reasons.
    edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/11/2017

    My money is on an Infernal favor, as Feducci had a Devil as his campaign manager and two bits of scandal directly involving Hell.

    The second favor's particularly tricky though. With Jenny's card you had one favor from supporting the Mayor's efforts (Dockers) and one favor for opposing her (Criminals). So, which factions would most appreciate the player character opposing Feducci?
    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/12/2017


    Polite Society I think, perhaps the Constables?

    Feducci seems very much to be an agent of chaos so anyone trying to maintain and the status quo would not likely be fond of him.

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    Pumpkinhead
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    Posts: 516

    7/11/2017
    The election was a lovely distraction for a bit, but there are more important things to do. Back to grinding docks favors.

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    AnyBellaCoolHusky
    AnyBellaCoolHusky
    Posts: 11

    7/11/2017
    ProfessorDetective wrote:
    So between the experienced politician and the highly prolific officer of the law... we went with the DUELIST? Okay then.



    You think an doodling lady advocating for temperance, clueless to drug disposal, is an experienced politician? She had my vote, but she is not even close to experienced.

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    FireOfUnknownOrigin
    FireOfUnknownOrigin
    Posts: 12

    7/11/2017
    Whoops, too much time on fence left me in the dust for all the delicious rewards.

    I'll just chalk it up to a protest vote for the only true candidate for mayor, the Overgoat.

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    Sir Joseph Marlen
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    Posts: 577

    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    this is London we're talking about- we go out killing people and call it knife and candle wink I bet I'm also hardly the only one who would stab a suspicious stranger just because they look a little too much like the latest incarnation of Smiles. that said, at least Jack usually leaves your face attached to the rest of you. but how are you gonna look once a Snuffer takes your face and you wake up after the Boat ride? Do they leave you their old face in lieu of your own? Gross! Extremely unhygienic.

    My friend, unless you and most others go about hacking their human victims into chum after a good stabbing (which is WAY more icky than a single loose face), death is rarely permanent from wanton violence, whereas a snuffer's death is always permanent. By your logic, it's probably by the will of the Bazaar we haven't been snuffed (heh) out on the premise of being a threat by some other Neath entity. Have you seen what we can get up to? We're a ticking timebomb just waiting to kill off someone else or ourselves.

    If you can't tell, I'm a bit passionate about the nice members of these waxy fiends wink

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    Hark DeGaul
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    7/10/2017
    I think if I'm being honest that by the time the half-way results are through it's as good as over. By that point people are often quite far along their election careers and don't have enough time to grind it back. There's simply too much to lose in either fate or echoes and influence so people only change if they find out something that completely changes their opinion of a candidate.

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    matlex
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    7/10/2017
    I understand that it was mostly a popularity contest, but even with that I am quite surprised at how much Feducci beat the Implacable detective by. She's a really cool detective who has never failed a case and who, despite being part of the whole police system, is totally incorruptible and is incredibly strict on the police themselves, and who seems to be just as much on the up and up as the Last Constable, and she's even willing to go against the Fingerkings, if you look at some of the things in the second half of the election, which is really cool. I always like it when one of the characters goes against one of the large Powers in the game, like Hell or Parabola or the Presbyteriate or the Judgements, and the Detective is willing to go against the Fingerkings, one of the most powerful Powers, despite being indebted to them, and that just seems really badass to me. I would have expected a 40-35-25 or 45-40-15 split of the votes, personally, rather than the almost 50% of the vote that Feducci is implied to have gotten.

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    Gul al-Ahlaam
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    7/10/2017
    Regardless of how okay you are with Feducci's patriotism, soneibe who is loyal to a different nation first and foremost shouldn't be in a position of power over your own.

  • I've got no loyalty to London. It's useful for now, but I'd just as soon move across the unterzee. And yet, my influence over this election counted just as much as yours, if not more so.
    Thanks for reminding me about the Snuffer murdering though. Now we've got even more evidence he's a monster.

    No more a monster than the average London citizen.
    And yeah, a guy who volunteered to work on a slave ship definitely has a good heart.

    If a period of slavery is the alternative to an eternity of torture, I'd say it's probably more of a grey area.
    And hey, really if you want to avoid that sort of thing, you ought to destroy your soul as soon as you get it. Dangerous little seeds of nascent law festering inside you, using you as a vessel so they can make more judgements and keep the whole universe chained up. It's foolish to let them live.

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    Posts: 385

    7/10/2017
    I feel I should explain: when I proposed the negative card, I of course meant in addition to a more/wholly positive card like Jenny's. Nor did I mean it as any sort of "punishment" for a "wrong" choice, but rather for the sake of consistent narrative. I would find it disrespectful of his cunning if after his masterful stratagem of a campaign, he proves unable/unwilling to effectively undermine or hamper the entire city from his position, no holds barred.
    I mean, he is a confirmed senior agent of a power with agenda more or less opposite to London's. His loyalties clearly lie with a different nation, and an agent like he should by all means consider every Londoner as either an enemy, or an expendable tool. We are the young and pretentious upstarts here, after all.

    If his policies never actually force the players to do anything negative or take risks, I hope there's a good narrative reason for that. And if they have the mettle to actually show us some painful consequences of having a potential double agent at power, I for one will be happy. Just as I would have welcomed complications arising from the Detective's entanglements with the Fingerkings, had she won.

    Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:

    I don't see how he's a villain.
    • He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That's in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.
    • He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.
    • He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don't know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they've much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.
    • He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There's no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.
    • He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn't eternal or for everyone.
    • He spies for his home country because he's a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn't have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he'll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don't know why you're all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.



    Now, this is a nice and well-compiled dossier. Could you be so kind to state/PM your sources concerning the desert track, the Ship of Lights and the far shore/judgments bit? I can't seem to remember this lore.
    I beg to differ about the first point, though. Since he knows he's technically immortal AND indestructible, I would hardly call these duels straightforward or "fair".

    All in all, good job, team Feducci. You won't stop The Expedition, though!

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    As far as I can tell, they aren't inherently evil, and therefore don't deserve to be eradicated like pests.

    Like all groups of people, you should stop the bad ones and leave the rest of them alone.

    they cut off people's faces

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    Gul al-Ahlaam
    Gul al-Ahlaam
    Posts: 238

    7/10/2017
    I think it's dangerous to say that people 'deserve to be eradicated' because they're 'evil.' That's a very subjective metric for deciding whether someone lives or dies. Meddling in everyone's lives with your 'morals' this and 'standards' that is annoying enough, but adding righteousness and death arbitration to it just seems gratuitous.


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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
    Posts: 2221

    7/10/2017
    I have a practical question - what is going to happen with all those election social action requests clogging our inboxes? Do we have to get rid of them all manually or are they going to disappear at some point?

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    LukeFBG
    LukeFBG
    Posts: 709

    7/10/2017
    I spent a gruelling wedge of time manually going through them all - if you've got as many as I had, I wouldn't recommend it.

    Hopefully FBG will wipe or otherwise sort out all of these dead requests? I expect it's a fairly widespread thing.
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    gronostaj
    gronostaj
    Posts: 403

    7/10/2017
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    you're walking into some dark places if you start accepting that sort of behavior.

    i don't know, I'm fine in my dark place as long as the snuffer who *makes a crab gesture* snip-snips people's faces off is not there with me.

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    hellaGumshoe
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    Posts: 76

    7/10/2017
    Well... He's no Squidley, but he'll have to do. Nice going, Feducci Supporters!


    Oh, and to the people arguing about snuffers: One of them was almost my wife, so I'll thank you to acknowledge that they aren't all horrible.
    edited by hellaGumshoe on 7/10/2017

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    Sallow
    Sallow
    Posts: 46

    7/21/2017
    I picked the second option and got Society and 2 Scraps of Incendiary Gossip.

    I don't know if the Wiki is maintained by the devs or the players, but here's the echo for the action:

    [spoiler]

    "Up in arms"

    The protesters stand outside the Mayoral Manor. A platoon of Feducci's supporters, armed with swords and rifles, face them: the Constables simply watch from the sidelines, there only to intervene in case of homicidal disagreement.
    You join with the protesters. Angry rumours are spreading amongst them: that Feducci plots to remove the laws which prevent him bringing in his desired legislation; that in his obsession about games, he plans some evil against the Royal family. But the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner, at their front line, keeps them focused and steers them away from mere gossip.
    [/spoiler]
    edited by Sallow on 7/21/2017
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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
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    7/21/2017
    This is a...rather stark change from Sinning Jenny's administration. Remember when resistance to the mayor meant simply leaking snotty bits of gossip to the Gazette? Now we're facing off against armed mobs...

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    gronostaj
    gronostaj
    Posts: 403

    7/22/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    This is a...rather stark change from Sinning Jenny's administration.

    I wonder if the next mayor of london will live in the big casino feducci turned the blythenhale into, or spend money and time to refurbish, or pick a new mayoral residence. That is, if blythenhale is still standing by the end of feducci's term. that is, if London is still standing by the end of feducci's term. (innit this awesome? my player character might be slightly salty, but as a player i'm delighted)

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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
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    7/19/2017
    Kaijyuu wrote:
    If they want to encourage switching then they should not release any information on who's in the lead. There's a well known effect in political science where people will vote for whoever they think will win, probably due to a desire to be on the "winning side". Some countries ban publication of exit polls and the like during voting periods for this reason.

    The problem is that the player's character would realistically know who was leading, based upon their investigation of the various campaigns, Huffam's journalistic reports, and the activity on London's streets. Also, people use the halfway reports to determine who to switch to if they mostly want to stop one particular candidate.

    Increase candidate information in the pre-campaign week, make it mechanically and psychologically easier to switch in the second, and let Fixers bribe the avaricious. That will certainly increase uncertainty.

    On the whole, I think the election is working as intended and greatly improved since last year. But, being the newest festival, it is still going through some experimentation and growing pains.
    .
    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/19/2017

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    Posts: 364

    7/19/2017
    Okay. I'm gonna take a deep, deep breath and do the idiotic thing of poking this wasp's nest. I'll try to do this as carefully as possible.

    Entirely ignoring certain, ah, discussions as to why or how or for what purpose Feducci won, I will say there's a discussion worth having in terms of candidate selection. It is true that in both years, many of us could pick out the winner on day one, and in both cases they won with more than half the vote or "nearly" half. In a three-way election, that's a significant margin. It wasn't as one-sided this year, and we did see some side-switching among active forumites halfway through, so I'd say FB is learning from their experiences with this event, but... it does seem like both times a character had a significant advantage.

    I have my own views on why Jenny was a shoo-in, though it's probably wise to let the dust settle more before touching on that one. The same is true of Feducci, though I think people voted less for him and more against the other two. Many people saw real-world parallels in the Detective and Campaigner (and plenty of us saw some in Feducci, too), and so personal views factored into things at least a little. I'd elaborate, but really, I feel like I'm already putting my neck out rather far.

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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
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    7/19/2017
    Spitfire Youngster wrote:
    Wouldn't it be appropriate for the mayoral cards to start appearing in our opportunity decks? It's been over a week already.

    Last time the Mayoral Influence card didn't start appearing until the last week of July. An unknown factor is whether they plan on the card giving a favor, say Society or Church, that has yet to be implemented.
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    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/19/2017

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    Estelle Knoht
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    7/18/2017
    I think it is a parody post? If you look at his profile, it is all MAN SLIME MAN MUCUS MAN MAN MAN. Not exactly fitting with these "dang manchildren" posts.

    That said, if you are serious... skim the forums or any social media regarding the Election and you will find most people voting for Feducci because they just want to see more Elder Continent, or for the fact the other two just don't have as much exposure beforehand.

    Really, the playerbases are probably more weeaboo bandage fetishist, see, because both mayor had bandages.

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/18/2017
    I also think part of why Feducci works, lore-wise, is that he's an incompetent mayor. Many Londoners wouldn't even want a competent government, because that would crimp their rather, ah, free-spirited style.

    EDIT: Also, if you like, consider it the fault of the Masters. They don't want a competent mayor, either, and both of the other candidates may have made things inconvenient for them.
    edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/18/2017

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    gronostaj
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    7/11/2017
    ... man i feel like it's gonna be a while before the dust from this year's election settles wink

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    The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary
    The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary
    Posts: 26

    7/18/2017
    Also, it was not exactly an overwhelming victory, Feducci did not even reach 50%
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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
    Posts: 2221

    7/10/2017
    Estelle Knoht wrote:
    Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
    Feducci wrote:
    "But this is only the beginning. Now we raise the stakes. London is in for a most exciting year."


    Not going to lie... that is more than a little terrifying.


    Maybe he just meant the stakes in the House of Chimes!

    Feducci stands above them all, laughing.

    Ah, maniacal laughter at one's victory. That's always a good sign :P

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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
    Posts: 2221

    7/10/2017
    Well, I see that the evil candidate won. Just another ordinary day in the Neath :P But at least the winning candidate got under 50% of the vote this time.

    I hope the Campaigner is the one providing opposition on Feducci's Mayoral Influence Card, just like the Bishop provided opposition last year ^_^ The Detective will have new Dilmun Club content to shine in, while the Campaigner won't have anything new unless they write an Exceptional Story with her, so the Campaigner seems the more deserving pick.
    .
    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/10/2017

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    Hubris Glamore
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    Posts: 49

    7/10/2017
    And that was that. At least my revolving door friend/adversary/collegue the detective doesn't consider the entire thing a total wash though, so I have to be happy with that. It's both endearing and a little sad to hear DTC had a little cry at the end there, bless her.

    Now if you'll excuse me, being as there's a lot of rovering Feducci supporters roaming the streets, I think it's time I catch a boat out to Tanah-Chook to attend to another matter while all the celebrations die down.

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    folklore364
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    Posts: 136

    7/10/2017
    I've seen a few people say Feducchi is evil. I really wouldn't say that, he's many things but evil probably not. I dislike him because he's an agent for the presbatriate, but outside of that he really doesn't seem like the person to kick puppies and eat kittens giggles.

    As to the person who commented that fallen london developing a tradition of putting a foreign agent as mayor, that would be hilarious.

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    gronostaj
    gronostaj
    Posts: 403

    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    The game made that perfectly clear.

    did it now? The only clear thing I saw is that Feducci was more interested in winning the election than what would happen after he won an election. clearly from his remark that the election is just the beginning, though, he has something more specific in mind.

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

    oh, hello, i remember you from the debates! see, I told you Feducci is gonna win. It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


    Or not. What's he trying to compensate for with that lance of his?


    SHOTS FIRED! here, snag one of these black ribbons from his arm, you deserve it. For the prima-sort verbal murder wink For the record I always wanted to see if the fake tomb-colonist might write secrets on the underside of his bandages like real colonists do. If I ever get to....- unwrap him, purely for scientific reasons I might add, I'll keep you informed.

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    gronostaj
    gronostaj
    Posts: 403

    7/10/2017
    Yeah wrote:
    Entirely unrelated to the election, but that splash art gives me the creeps. Something about his eyes is entirely alien.

    rightfuly so. he has the eyes of a barn owl. edit: makes me wonder if he could spin his head around like one if you walked up to him from behind.

    Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
    The Detective is taking all this in her stride.

    aw, god I love her.


    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    Kukapetal
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    Posts: 1454

    7/10/2017
    Yeah wrote:
    Entirely unrelated to the election, but that splash art gives me the creeps. Something about his eyes is entirely alien.


    Get used to seeing it over and over for the rest of the year :P
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    Parelle
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    Posts: 1084

    7/10/2017
    Amsfield wrote:


    So it seems that this year it is:
    • (Career + Influence) x Sworn Statements
    • 1 x Favours in High Places
    • (((Career + Influence) x 5) + 5) x Journals of Infamy


    Level 20 Campginer, only 10 Influence:
    30 Sworn Statements
    1 FiHP
    155 Journals of Infamy
    Which matches the formula.
    edited by Parelle on 7/10/2017

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    Isaac Zienfried
    Isaac Zienfried
    Posts: 364

    7/10/2017
    I now sorely regret not building up preparations before the announcement, so I could be the first to kill the mayor. Hindsight's 20/20, and all...

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    Spitfire Youngster
    Spitfire Youngster
    Posts: 32

    7/10/2017
    Well, changing a candidate shouldn't come without consequences - you have, after all, influenced things in their favour.

    Also on the matter of potential candidates - I think it's important for the candidates to be roughly equally recognizable. For many players Feducci was the one they knew the most, Detective was mostly known amongst Watchful characters, and DTC... well, you could say she was the "literally who?" of the campaign.

    PS.
    It's still amazing how much support she gathered, even with her relatively small exposure.
    edited by Spitfire Youngster on 7/10/2017

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    Akernis
    Akernis
    Posts: 266

    7/10/2017
    Well that was certainly an interesting election. Though the numbers say that it was mostly one-sided I was glad the at least on the forums there was a lot more doubt and debate about the chances and the candidates respective flaws and virtues.
    I would like to extend a thanks to my fellow Feducci supporters to help him win, but more than that I would like to sincerely thank the supporters of the the Implacable Detective and the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner for being such excellent rivals and making the two weeks far more exciting and interesting than they would otherwise have been, and for being such good sports about the results.
    I hope that should my chosen candidate loose next time that I will be able to have the same level of grace in defeat as they did. So I wish my heartfelt best wishes to everyone who have helped make this election so much fun, regardless of which candidate they supported.

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    Jolanda Swan
    Jolanda Swan
    Posts: 1823

    7/10/2017
    For some reason, Feducci was seen as the fun candidate. I could see why Jenny got so easily the lead last year -badass and good intentioned both. Feducci on the other hand was ugly from the beginning. Not complaining, playing is going to be fun either way, but surprised at how popular the guy turned out to be.
    edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/10/2017

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    Jillius
    Jillius
    Posts: 36

    7/10/2017
    Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
    Jillius wrote:
    I find it highly confusing that everyone seems to be taking this result so nonchalant.


    We're being polite, and not insulting our fellow players' choice of candidate!

    I think there is a difference between "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man." and questioning how things could come to be.
    Sure, congratulations to all you who supported Feducci, but why did you do it? How do you think this will all play out? Like, literally, not even the man himself has a plan and with his track record, what do you think well be the bottom line?



    EDIT: Plynkes wrote:

    Maybe because the average player treats it as fun game, rather than applying their real-world political views to a bonkers cartoon universe. I was in Feducci's camp because as a player I want a fallen London with a murderous maniac in charge, rather than pair of well-meaning but tiresome stick-the-muds. Because it's more fun that way!
    Valid point.
    edited by Jillius on 7/10/2017

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    Sir Reginald Monteroy
    Sir Reginald Monteroy
    Posts: 385

    7/10/2017
    I can get the criminal masterminds, spirifers and others with malign intent voting for him. But for the people who wave his "Fair play" slogans and talk about equal opportunities, since when did Hell play fair? And do you really think that a CHIEF AGENT of a foreign power has no plan to run the city into ground?

    Way I see it, the best we can hope for is that he'll be as ineffectual in his efforts to destroy us from within as Jenny was in her efforts to change the plight for the poor.

    Other than that, I sure hope the resultant cards and exceptional/Fate stories will allow thus inclined players to work against his policies. That might make for some interesting and potentially meaningful roleplay, at the very least.

    And just a quick question, am I the only one here who is far more concerned about his infernal inclinations than the Presbyterate bit? I mean, he's as likely as not to sell all of our souls away if he can get away with it.

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    Morkan Kassington
    Morkan Kassington
    Posts: 261

    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    The good news is I just saved a ton of money by switching my landau insurance to Reprehensible Lizard.


    So you sit on lizards instead of landaus now? Hell of a switch.

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    Anne Auclair
    Anne Auclair
    Posts: 2221

    7/4/2018
    gronostaj wrote:
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    This is a...rather stark change from Sinning Jenny's administration.

    I wonder if the next mayor of london will live in the big casino feducci turned the blythenhale into, or spend money and time to refurbish, or pick a new mayoral residence. That is, if blythenhale is still standing by the end of feducci's term. that is, if London is still standing by the end of feducci's term. (innit this awesome? my player character might be slightly salty, but as a player i'm delighted)

    lol, oh gronostaj...

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    gronostaj
    gronostaj
    Posts: 403

    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    I'm looking forward to a Can't Discard card on which you have to gamble all your possessions and/or Notability.

    I believe you just gave failbetter a great new idea wink

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    Estelle Knoht
    Estelle Knoht
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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    I'm looking forward to a Can't Discard card on which you have to gamble all your possessions and/or Notability.

    I believe you just gave failbetter a great new idea wink


    Can't Discard is fairly helpful, though, since they are perfect paperweight to stop people accidentally discarding the rare cards on hand.

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    Hotshot Blackburn
    Hotshot Blackburn
    Posts: 111

    7/10/2017
    Well, this is a terrible victory for me gameplay wise. I'm going to have to grind the Hunt is On for ages now to simulate the constant assassination attempts!

    In all seriousness, an interesting though not unexpected victory. Feducci will be an interesting mayor, and I look forward to seeing what kind of larks he'll be getting up to over the course of the year. The options on his card will probably remain the traditional Support/Oppose/Investigate trifecta, but what could the rewards be? How will he fit with the Fruits of the Zee Festival? What kind of new dirty secrets will we uncover during Hallowmass? Will we get Black Ribbon 2.0 as our Fate-locked special location, or the Fallen London Stock Exchsnge? Whatever happens, I hope that as he was one of the more dubious candidates that as acknowledged by others played to the more sinister crowd, that the stories and options around him are also more dubious in scope.

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    7/10/2017
    Last year, this year, and every next year, will win candidate who offers Docks favours. Simple.

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    7/10/2017
    Isaac Zienfried wrote:
    Maybe next year the obvious landslide candidate will be the one I like.

    unfortunately usually the most well-known characters already have a road paved to victory for them. Maybe introducing three completly new characters as candidates next year would help with that?

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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Isaac Zienfried wrote:
    Maybe next year the obvious landslide candidate will be the one I like.

    unfortunately usually the most well-known characters already have a road paved to victory for them. Maybe introducing three completly new characters as candidates next year would help with that?

    Or maybe provide less-costly ways to change candidates.

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    7/10/2017
    As usual, the most openly murderous, treasonous and amoral villain won. Never mind that he's a confirmed top agent of one enemy faction and a brutal ex-slaver for an even worse one.
    I sincerely hope there will be some way to throw a wrench into his plans, because otherwise we Londoners are thoroughly screwed as an independent people.

    And did you notice - his posture when winning is already one of preparing for a fight. And that comes after a bout of diabolic laughter.

    Interesting year indeed, and here I thought London had few downright villains...

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    7/10/2017
    A fair plurality, it seems, though I can't wait to see the statistics. Regardless, this'll be a fun year.

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    7/10/2017
    I knew it! Fair play, fair game, fair win! wink

    *loud appreciative whistle*

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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.

    Firstly, Sinning Jenny is a spy, and yet her term as mayor has shown me that she isn't hostile to London. She was a positive influence all around.

    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

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    7/10/2017
    Okay, I have to admit that made me laugh. Hard :P
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    7/10/2017
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:

    A dashing killer with immortal vitality? A proper social lady with a fiery spirit? A cold yet kind intellectual with a sweet hair bun? Oh no, you're meeting all my standards!

    what, all three of them at once?! Big Grin ... gotta admit though, the hair bun is pretty sweet

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    7/10/2017
    Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
    Feducci wrote:
    "But this is only the beginning. Now we raise the stakes. London is in for a most exciting year."


    Not going to lie... that is more than a little terrifying.


    Maybe he just meant the stakes in the House of Chimes!

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    7/10/2017
    Feducci got under 50% of the vote, so a majority of Londoners did not vote for him. He's less popular than Jenny. Hence why this happens:

    Feducci steps forward, offering the crowd a regal wave. Thundering roars of approval hail his victory, met equally by explosive jeers.

    edited by Anne Auclair on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Isaac Zienfried wrote:
    NoThe fools are too drunk to properly fight back, even!

    (slurring heavily) i heartily protest against this defamation! theres no such thing as too drunk to fight. we the celebratory crowd merely tend to prefer ground game or clinch fighting as opposed to stand-up fighting after several hours of..... well, celebrations
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Ah, maniacal laughter at one's victory. That's always a good sign :P

    ...As always, Simpsons did it.

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    7/10/2017
    Where did it say he got less than 50% of the vote? I must have missed that. Or is Anne still in Spin Doctor mode, making stuff up even though it is all over?

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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Gillsing wrote:

    And it wasn't until the flash lays and investigations for the second week that Feducci appeared incompetent.


    I don't think he ever appeared incompetent, that glimpse into his disorganized election campaign was simply to show the player that he didn't have an actual platform and was just saying stuff to get himself elected.



    It comes down to two unfortunate revelations.

    1. People simply aren't reading the extra text that Failbetter writes for the candidates. Unless you are one of the madpeople here in the forum you may not catch every bit of text and every single update.

    Or, more disturbingly:

    2. People don't care. They backed the candidate on day one and nothing anyone writes is going to make them change their minds. Is this a human brain problem? Or is it that changing candidates punishes you in the election? Maybe a combo of the two?


    Potential Solution?
    I think one easy solution would be to make it so that you aren't punished from defecting from the candidate in the lead. If it was easier to swap to a new candidate at the halfway point (moving to the 2nd and 3rd place candidates only, to prevent bandwagoning to the lead candidate), you may see a lot more people making the change. It would also make the race a lot more tense which what I am sure FB is trying to do. Both years have had a winner locked in from day one and while there was a lot of back and forth on the forums, the outcome was pretty clear both times. Making votes be allowed to be a little more fluid and not punishing to the player may make the votes actually shift at the halfway point instead of basically staying the same.
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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Ah, maniacal laughter at one's victory. That's always a good sign :P


    Also, the Muppets:



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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Feducci stands above them all, laughing.

    Ah, maniacal laughter at one's victory. That's always a good sign :P

    I feel it's more like he's laughing about the jeers he's getting. Which is pretty charming. No one likes a sore competitor- or loser wink

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    7/10/2017
    Ah right, couldn't see for looking. Apologies for the snarkiness. It's been a fortnight for it.

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    7/10/2017
    DonaghyLogan wrote:
    Have any DTC supporters echoed her final remarks? I'd be curious to read that text.


    Just done that: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Professor%20Strix?fromEchoId=12072389

    As a player, I wasn't invested in last years' election because I didn't particularly like any of the candidates. This year, I wanted to support the Detective at first (sticking with your bunch and all), but I know that my character has her reservations about the lady and her platform (me too, to be honest). The DTC ended up being a pleasant surprise and I have no regrets about sticking with her and reading her final reaction. If anything, it endeared me more to her, which is one of the things that the election is supposed to do, after all. I liked to know more about the Detective, too, and even if I disagree with her policy, I ended up respecting her. I consider this a plus.

    Feducci always was the candidate that I liked less and cared less about, but eh. I can live with one opportunity card about him showing up in my deck from time to time, if that will make half of the players happy. (The Professor might have to spend an year in Port Carnelian or doing research on those small zee-islands, though. Pretty sure that neither him nor the Presbyterate are happy about the direction her research is going.)

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    7/10/2017
    I don't think there really IS a solution. We've just proved that we can elect someone who might as well wear a sign that says "evil cackling monster" and not face any consequences for it. If nothing else, this proves beyond a doubt that the election is just popularity contest for who is "coolest" and things like candidates' actions and platforms ultimately don't matter, because they have no consequences.

    Unless they have three "cool" bad guys running against eachother in all future elections, I don't see how there can be much of a contest.
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    I don't think there really IS a solution. We've just proved that we can elect someone who might as well wear a sign that says "evil cackling monster" and not face any consequences for it. If nothing else, this proves beyond a doubt that the election is just popularity contest for who is "coolest" and things like candidates' actions and platforms ultimately don't matter, because they have no consequences.

    Unless they have three "cool" bad guys running against eachother in all future elections, I don't see how there can be much of a contest.



    Alas, that is most likely true, but we might as well try, no? The other option is to simply assume people are the worst and that makes my heart hurt.
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    7/18/2017
    The Soft-Hearted Revolutionary wrote:
    Also, it was not exactly an overwhelming victory, Feducci did not even reach 50%

    We'll know more when FBG release their statistics, but "nearly half the vote" is a pretty overwhelming victory in a 3-way race, unless one of the other candidates received almost no votes.

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    7/17/2017
    Estelle Knoht wrote:
    She is qualified to give lectures to the police body and attendance is even considered a privilege, so it wouldn't be too outlandish to call her that.

    So is the player character (called for consultations and to help the police), but I believe most of us don't consider ourselves as an "official representative of the law", or "officer of the law".

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    7/18/2017
    GaryStudebaker wrote:
    Why was it obvious Feducci would win? Misogyny...


    On the other hand, Jenny defeated the Contrarian and the Bishop.

    In the two elections, I suspect the sum of all votes for female characters and the sum of all votes for male characters is about the same.

    Election 1894: Jenny ~50%, Bishop+Contrarian ~50%
    Election 1895: Feducci ~50%, DTC+Detective ~50%

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    7/17/2017
    Well, as the FL story arc is a journey across Victorian popular fiction, we all get at least a taste of detecting. That's a totally valid character signifier for anyone who wants to claim it.

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    7/22/2017
    There is zero chance of any mayor destroying London.

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    7/21/2017
    The in-app screenshot of losing the human-baiting duel on mayoral card for those interested. What? I'm not bitter, you're bitter. No, I don't "care" that "the mayor" is giving "undue amounts of attention" to my "victorious opponent", I just think it's funny, how....-

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    7/24/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Maybe Feducci isn't really immortal, maybe every time you kill him, someone else picks up the identity.


    Kinda like the Dread Pirate Roberts. Or, more disturbingly, like Hugh Jackman's character in The Prestige.



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    7/24/2017
    I'm 100% confident that there is only one Feducci :P But as he wears bandages, he could easily have a lot of body doubles running around London or imitating him in Blythenhale.

    The Mayor's schedule shouldn't be that great a time sink though - he barely seems to do any actual work. He just schemes and presides over games.

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    7/23/2017
    I just killed London's new mayor and chopped him into little bits ... It's good to see he's not all work and no play.

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    7/24/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    This is a...rather stark change from Sinning Jenny's administration. Remember when resistance to the mayor meant simply leaking snotty bits of gossip to the Gazette? Now we're facing off against armed mobs...


    I’m still kind of amazed by how utterly bananas this transition has been.

    Like, Jenny was a fairly normal mayor, all things considered. She started government departments, she enacted a number of her promised policies, she helped her friends out on the sly, she made secret deals with the Masters, and she invited a broad section of London’s people to her balls and parties. The political opposition made itself felt through damaging leaks to Huffam’s Gazette. It was all so low key.

    Feducci is holed up in a (probably illegal) casino, visibly furious that he can’t impose the Hunger Games or whatever on London. He is stymied by the Palace bureaucracy and under siege from a large crowd of outraged protesters, who the mayor’s thuggish supporters vainly try to scare away by brandishing cutlasses and rifles. The mayor, when he isn’t trying to instigate violence between said supporters and the protesters, spends his time presiding over vicious games and recruiting the winners into some sort of ominous conspiracy.

    It's just...wow. My expectations were certainly exceeded.

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    7/24/2017
    Hopefully his Fate-locked story (assuming he gets one, which seems a safe enough bet) will go into just what it is he's planning that requires all these duelists. I find that the most interesting unstated part of his character and actions, so it'll be nice to have a story go fully into that.

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    7/25/2017
    I still don't think it was him who tried to instigate the fight. I mean, there was a "platoon" of his supporters chilling there, military-li speaking that's less than thirty people. Unless the crowd of protesters was also rather small (which would be hilarious, in hindsight. just a handful of people yelling at each other.), they'd be easily swarmed. That definitely wouldn't look good.

    If he were irritated about the shouting, he'd use the constables to get the protestors off his back. Even if they didn't listen to him as a mayor, the Constables are so easily corrupted he could've probably buy and sell them five times and his ledger wouldn't feel the slightest impact. The fact that the protesters are allowed to chill outside his crib rather gives off a "the moon doesn't care for baying dogs" vibe.

    edit: Sorry abt the real life politics. I'm also of the mind they should be kept off the forums, but the pararells are so temptingly good sometimes. Won't happen again, pinky promise wink
    edited by gronostaj on 7/25/2017

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    7/24/2017
    He reached Arbour's rosebrick gate and there his confession ends.

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    7/24/2017
    You know who I'm most impressed by? Chuffy McAvoy-Dauntless. Who would have thought that behind the bloomers and the giraffe-spoon lurked the soul of a savvy political activist?

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    7/24/2017
    Ah, thank you for the echo. So that seems pretty unlikely - he only did it because he lost a duel, and he personally made it there. Good enough for him, I bet. We'll just have to wait and see what FBG decides to do with his story.

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    7/24/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Feducci is holed up in a (probably illegal) casino, visibly furious that he can’t impose the Hunger Games or whatever on London. He is stymied by the Palace bureaucracy and under siege from a large crowd of outraged protesters, who the mayor’s thuggish supporters vainly try to scare away by brandishing cutlasses and rifles. The mayor, when he isn’t trying to instigate violence between said supporters and the protesters, spends his time presiding over vicious games and recruiting the winners into some sort of ominous conspiracy.

    i know you mean this in derogatory way but my gods, anne, the stabby mummy should pay you for the advertisement because, in a way, you're selling his "chaotic (evil) badass" pitch better than anyone at failbetter does wink

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    7/24/2017
    I dunno about that - the combination of public ferocity and private frustration at the limitations of his power make him seem like the sort of villain who's defeated at the end of the first act, but whose downfall reveals to the hero the greater forces at work, and the powers behind the scenes whose machinations will concern them for the remainder of their quest.

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    7/25/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    That leaves Mayor Feducci as the would-be instigator.

    Unspecified revolutionaries seem to have just as much to gain by instigating violence.
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    7/10/2017
    Note that the announcement says that "Statistics on the Election will be released within the next few weeks." So we will soon find out just how close, or not close, the final tally really was.

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    7/10/2017
    Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:
    I think it's dangerous to say that people 'deserve to be eradicated' because they're 'evil.' That's a very subjective metric for deciding whether someone lives or dies. Meddling in everyone's lives with your 'morals' this and 'standards' that is annoying enough, but adding righteousness and death arbitration to it just seems gratuitous.


    it's not because they're evil it's because they cut off people's faces

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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    you're walking into some dark places if you start accepting that sort of behavior.

    i don't know, I'm fine in my dark place as long as the snuffer who *makes a crab gesture* snip-snips people's faces off is not there with me.


    Well yeah, I'd feel safer if psychos, be they human or snuffer, not be out and about. Go about killing general snuffers or people because you're afraid of the occasional killer amongst them and, well, I think we can agree that monsters don't have to be inhuman.

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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

    The Sisterhood does, however, want to kill an important figure in London's leadership.

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    7/10/2017
    Siankan wrote:
    Congratulations to the victors, and I won't repeat any woeful remarks about the Presbyterate's new colony.

    You know what I would love to see, though? A higher profile for the losers in the coming year, too. Sure, neither lady's plans worked out, but neither sounds ready to retire to the Tomb Colonies, either. Will the Detective keep working on her mysterious plans? Will the Campaigner make an effort to help those who get the short end of Feducci's policies? You can bet your peculiar enhancement they will. A little storylet, maybe as an appendage to some seasonal event, that lets us see what these ladies are up to during the Feducci administration would be very welcome to me. I doubt I'm entirely alone.



    Honestly I think a lot of why I want this so much comes from just wanting some sort of developments in London over time, both for the city and the major characters within. There's so many interesting characters and plotlines that you learn about and can't wait to see more of that just sort of freeze in time once you complete the relevant storylets. I'd love to see characters move and develop their plans over time rather than just sort of dropping off the map until an Exceptional Story involves them in some way.

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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    If they cared for platforms, they wouldn't have voted for Feducci because he didn't HAVE one.

    Well, since Feducci got under 50% of the vote, that suggests a majority of players actually do care about platforms or can be persuaded by people who care about platforms.

    Thinking about this more, the solution might simply be improved candidate recruitment. I mean, I pretty much made a case for the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner's personality and platform being perfect for an election and I got the writers attention! And they used the platform recommended by me and other players almost to the letter. And that candidate/platform got a pretty decent amount of support! More than Southwark got last election. Now I personally think the DTC was pretty badass, but she wasn't the same sort of badass that Jenny and Feducci were.

    So, for players who want a great platform to win, maybe focus on finding the right sort of badass who can have the right sort of platform?

    Or, alternatively, maybe the next election we could agree to take a break from Jenny/Feducci style candidates and try some different combinations. If only for suspense. I had suspense this election because Feducci was different enough that there was uncertainty.
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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    You can find violently amoral characters like Feducci in all kinds of edgy stories too. Hell, you could stick him in Pirates of the Caribbean and he wouldn't stand out.

    Indeed. Feducci isn't a lot more 'Fallen London' than some other characters. But at least you don't find immortal, bandaged men spying for a nation of immortals in reality. At least he's an obviously fictional and mystical character. And that is already a huge step more 'Fallen London' than either of the two ladies. Now, the Implacable Detective is more 'Fallen London' than the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner, simply because she's an old woman working as a super-detective. I don't know if any exists in the real world, but if they do, they're much rarer than well-meaning society ladies. And that probably goes for fictional settings as well. But there are women detectives in reality, and old women working, and it's conceivable that a woman just like her could exist in reality. And that's not good for her 'Fallen London' score.

    Being Victorian is not being 'Fallen London'. Just blending in is not enough. Being 'Fallen London' means showing how you're unique to 'Fallen London'. Being Victorian in Fallen London is like having fur and being a dog. It's not very special to have fur. Lots of animals have fur. Show how you're 'man's best friend' or something. People who like dogs would probably love seeing examples of that, and be more likely to support your candidacy for Mayor of Dogdon.
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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Thanks for reminding me about the Snuffer murdering though. Now we've got even more evidence he's a monster.

    feducci is a monster? for paying generous bounty for murdering actual monsters? you know, these genuine face-stealing walking nightmares terrorising everything in their path? You must've misspelled "the hero" wink I chose not to murder the Big Rat and i feel a pang of regret every time I drop by and he flays some unfortunate clumsy rat, and right by the d---ed snacks table no less!

    I've made an argument against this before, but yeah, Snuffers are about as benign as human beings. They can both do good and bad, the only difference being one can swap faces. Are a lot of Snuffers murderers who kill left and right without much thought? Sure. Are there many Snuffers that do as little harm as need be to survive or even regret their dangerous nature? Definitely yes. If we're gonna consider the death of a sentient species okay just because they could do harm, then about all the races of the Neath are up for grabs. The Clay Men who are walking golems, the Rubbery Men and their ilk for their connections to their angry rebellious brethren in the Zee, some of the Urchins for not being fully human and possibly becoming monsters as they grow up, heck, even the Monster Hunters of the player base probably aren't fully human now and have unnatural abilities. I get that the whole face-swapper concept is scary and definitely a threat, but you're walking into some dark places if you start accepting that sort of behavior.

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    7/11/2017
    Frederick Metzengerstein wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    I feel it's more like he's laughing about the jeers he's getting.
    He's laughing because he's psychotic.

    laughing at crowd's reaction after a splendid victory is a symptom of psychotic behaviour? damn, that explains a lot

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    7/11/2017
    So between the experienced politician and the highly prolific officer of the law... we went with the DUELIST? Okay then.

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    7/16/2017
    Anaïs Grant wrote:

    Precisely my reasoning. My character's supposed to be a criminal mastermind, so it would make no sense whatsoever for them to vote for anyone but Feducci, even if he's somewhat of a wild card. The other two would only be guaranteed to make trouble for them.

    A true criminal mastermind would have voted for Temperance - Think of all the criminal possibilities that come with Prohibition!

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    7/16/2017
    dov wrote:
    ProfessorDetective wrote:
    dov wrote:
    the detective was never an officer of the law (she's a private investigator - the police commonly rely on her expertise to solve cases, like they sometimes approach the player character themselves for help).


    Sorry, 'highly prolific officially-sanctioned representative of the law'. 'Officer' was just shorter.

    Do you have any references to her ever being a representative of the law?


    Not a representative of the law, but interested in reforming the justice system and helping disabled detectives. And she is interested in strengthening the Constabulary, as the following quote from the campaign indicates:

    "The Implacable Detective is a fixture of London's underworld. She keeps an eye out for promising newcomers and prizes agility of mind, daring, and a willingness to pursue a case to the bitter end. Her candidacy has been seen as something of a surprise – and a cause for alarm among some of London's society.

    She campaigns on a platform for legal reform, greater powers for the Constabulary and a need to provide for the ailing and forgotten detectives. Her blue banners cover Spite and Ladybones Road (though they are just as quickly torn down). Her campaign runs with an efficiency London's courts lack."

    Another quote shows that many Constables support her:

    "The Detective's supporters march in trained formation. Many are Constables – or former Constables – and their steps recall old patrols along the cobblestones. Her frost blue banners are held aloft by Summerset professors.Other supporters, plain-clothed all, speak to undecided Londoners. The Detective herself is at the head, sipping from a flask of coffee. She is observing proceedings with a calculating expression."

    I see her as kind of like a Sherlock Holmes or Poirot--a private investigator who is respected by, and is called in by, the local police on difficult cases because of their discretion and effectiveness.
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    7/11/2017
    Probably one that's about equivalent, if I had to guess. 2 Favour options, and one investigate option. We'll have to wait and see.

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    7/11/2017
    Tofan Bogdan wrote:
    Do any of you know what kind of card will Feducci have to replace the sinning Jenny one?

    How could we know, if FBG haven't released it yet?

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    7/11/2017
    dov wrote:
    Tofan Bogdan wrote:
    Do any of you know what kind of card will Feducci have to replace the sinning Jenny one?

    How could we know, if FBG haven't released it yet?



    Do we remember how long it took for the card to begin appearing after last year's Election? Can't wait to see what we're heading into...

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    7/12/2017
    Jolanda Swan wrote:
    I am guessing Great Game favors, and maybe Criminal?
    Though I would honestly prefer luck based challenges, for narrative reasons.
    edited by Jolanda Swan on 7/11/2017

    My money is on an Infernal favor, as Feducci had a Devil as his campaign manager and two bits of scandal directly involving Hell.

    The second favor's particularly tricky though. With Jenny's card you had one favor from supporting the Mayor's efforts (Dockers) and one favor for opposing her (Criminals). So, which factions would most appreciate the player character opposing Feducci?
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    7/16/2017
    dov wrote:
    Do you have any references to her ever being a representative of the law?


    "Representative of the law" does not appear to be a legally-protected term - I think we can fairly take it to refer to a private investigator who works closely with the police as well as to those officially employed by the government for the same purposes.

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    7/17/2017
    She is qualified to give lectures to the police body and attendance is even considered a privilege, so it wouldn't be too outlandish to call her that.

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    7/12/2017
    Blaine Davidson wrote:
    Polite Society I think, perhaps the Constables?

    Feducci seems very much to be an agent of chaos so anyone trying to maintain and the status quo would not likely be fond of him.

    There's also the Foreign Office, especially the Teeth.

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    7/15/2017
    AnyBellaCoolHusky wrote:
    ProfessorDetective wrote:
    So between the experienced politician and the highly prolific officer of the law... we went with the DUELIST? Okay then.



    You think an doodling lady advocating for temperance, clueless to drug disposal, is an experienced politician? She had my vote, but she is not even close to experienced.


    That's still more experience dealing with the local government than the other guy has.

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    7/15/2017
    dov wrote:
    ProfessorDetective wrote:
    So between the experienced politician and the highly prolific officer of the law... we went with the DUELIST? Okay then.

    I'd say that none of the candidates were an experienced politician and the detective was never an officer of the law (she's a private investigator - the police commonly rely on her expertise to solve cases, like they sometimes approach the player character themselves for help).


    Sorry, 'highly prolific officially-sanctioned representative of the law'. 'Officer' was just shorter. And as I mentioned to the other fellow/lady, The DTC still has more experience in government dealings than Feducci, unless you count the espionage for foreign powers against London. 'Politician' WAS too strong a word for her, though, I will admit.

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    7/11/2017
    Frederick Metzengerstein wrote:
    dov wrote:
    Or simply because he finds joy in the moment.

    Joy in the moment of achieving his evil objectives.
    edited by Frederick Metzengerstein on 7/11/2017

    hey, no one's perfect wink

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    7/10/2017
    To lighten the mood in here a little, please accept this (no, no, I insist): a swansong for Squidley Johnson.


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    7/10/2017
    As far as I can tell, they aren't inherently evil, and therefore don't deserve to be eradicated like pests.

    Like all groups of people, you should stop the bad ones and leave the rest of them alone.
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    7/10/2017
    G N wrote:
    Some fellow anarchists abstain from the vote, and I curtsy deep to their own brand of commitment...but I'm of a different stripe. My anarchist heinie will get to threatening he who I helped elevate to the throne post-haste. Feducci knew he'd be precariously placed upon winning when he entered the race, so all said and done? Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair Bomb Throwing!


    All daggers drawn against authority point ever at the throne, whatever head be mounted there. Electing those who hate the constabulary interfering in their business as much as I do is almost as delicious as thwarting Mayoral power and the constabulary alike! I'd rather have a revolutionary on my side than anyone else...but criminals are a distant second in an "enemy of my enemy" kind of way. Should Feducci make criminals the enforcers of governmental power in the constabulary's stead, that'll change right quick though let me tell you!





    Oh, bravo! Well met, comrade! I was beginning to think my character was the only one who'd voted for the candidate they most want to see against the wall in the coming revolution.


    Really, that was the key for me-- my character is an idealistic (but not pacifistic) revolutionary who has plans toward violent revolt and overthrow as necessary. Much better for Feducci to be the target of those plans than a couple of truly honest and honorable (if misguidedly orthodox) Londoners. Feducci is even directly asking for it. Fair Game, indeed.

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    7/10/2017
    Gul al-Ahlaam wrote:
    How could anyone vote for him based on his platform when they know there's a huge chance he isnt being genuine? I simply have to believe the vast majority of players understand this and therefore must face voted for him for a different reason, because the alternative (that they were all actually duped by card carrying evil villain), just seem ludicrous.



  • I don't see how he's a villain.
    • He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That's in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.
    • He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.
    • He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don't know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they've much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.
    • He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There's no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.
    • He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn't eternal or for everyone.
    • He spies for his home country because he's a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn't have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he'll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don't know why you're all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.


  • It is the arguments like these for Feducci that make me feel like I am taking crazy pills.

    I am on board with chaos, the mayor as a figurehead so why bother, having a mummy as a leader, I have a criminal character so I chose him, or just that he is a cool crazy duelist man. Those make sense.
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Thanks for reminding me about the Snuffer murdering though. Now we've got even more evidence he's a monster.

    feducci is a monster? for paying generous bounty for murdering actual monsters? you know, these genuine face-stealing walking nightmares terrorising everything in their path? You must've misspelled "the hero" wink I chose not to murder the Big Rat and i feel a pang of regret every time I drop by and he flays some unfortunate clumsy rat, and right by the d---ed snacks table no less!

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    7/10/2017
    Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
    Well yeah, I'd feel safer if psychos, be they human or snuffer, not be out and about. Go about killing general snuffers or people because you're afraid of the occasional killer amongst them and, well, I think we can agree that monsters don't have to be inhuman.

    this is London we're talking about- we go out killing people and call it knife and candle wink I bet I'm also hardly the only one who would stab a suspicious stranger just because they look a little too much like the latest incarnation of Smiles. that said, at least Jack usually leaves your face attached to the rest of you. but how are you gonna look once a Snuffer takes your face and you wake up after the Boat ride? Do they leave you their old face in lieu of your own? Gross! Extremely unhygienic.

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    7/10/2017
    That's probably my favourite post in this thread. Doubly so for the "May we live in interesting times" inclusion wink

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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    I'm going to push back against the notion that the DTC wasn't Fallen London enough.

    You can push all you like, but the well-meaning society lady is such a cliché that you can find them in all sorts of settings that has nothing to do with Fallen London. You can even find them in reality. And that is as far as you can get from Fallen London.
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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Hell, you could stick him in Pirates of the Caribbean and he wouldn't stand out.


    Pirates of the Carraibean already have a rubbery man, they don't need a fake tomb-colonist wink

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    7/10/2017
    Barse wrote:
    I spent a gruelling wedge of time manually going through them all - if you've got as many as I had, I wouldn't recommend it.

    Hopefully FBG will wipe or otherwise sort out all of these dead requests? I expect it's a fairly widespread thing.

    Hopefully.

    Well, time to get to work on my special election project ^_^

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    7/10/2017
    Awwww, Gul al-Ahlaam sent me a surprise package for being a good opponent ^_^ That was sweet.

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    7/25/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    The protesters are chilling outside his manor because they are yet another thing that Feducci can't do anything about :P

    you know, I was about to joke that they're just camping there because they're salty about not being allowed into the fun zone- but actually, now I'm curious. I distantly recall that Jenny had dialogue variants on her "assist the mayor" option depending on whom you voted for.

    Any non-supporter tried to fight before the murder voyeur yet? did he even. notice you're one of the "i didn't vote for you" crowd?

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    8/17/2017
    Gillsing wrote:
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    That leaves Mayor Feducci as the would-be instigator.

    Unspecified revolutionaries seem to have just as much to gain by instigating violence.

    You mean the same violent revolutionaries who the Mayor is openly palling around with in Blythenhale?

    gronostaj wrote:

    you know, I was about to joke that they're just camping there because they're salty about not being allowed into the fun zone- but actually, now I'm curious. I distantly recall that Jenny had dialogue variants on her "assist the mayor" option depending on whom you voted for.

    Any non-supporter tried to fight before the murder voyeur yet? did he even. notice you're one of the "i didn't vote for you" crowd?

    I'm also curious about this. I haven't participated in any of his games because I have zero interest in Revolutionary favors and a high interest in Society favors.

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    8/17/2017
    Madison supported the Implacable Detective during the election, and got this text when she won the duel. It definitely seems like he doesn't take any special notice of which candidate you backed during the election.

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    8/17/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Gillsing wrote:
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    That leaves Mayor Feducci as the would-be instigator.

    Unspecified revolutionaries seem to have just as much to gain by instigating violence.

    You mean the same violent revolutionaries who the Mayor is openly palling around with in Blythenhale?

    Not necessarily: "Some call them the dynamite faction, but they're very far from united. Socialists, anarchists, foreign agents: only their hatred of the Masters unites them."

    Just because it looks like Feducci is the most likely instigator does not make it so. It could also be someone who wants it to look that way.
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    8/17/2017
    Gillsing wrote:
    Just because it looks like Feducci is the most likely instigator does not make it so. It could also be someone who wants it to look that way.

    I'm not sure if Feducci even cares enough to pay off the police, to be honest, or do anything else about these guys camping outside his casino. Obviously protests might be a problem for someone who seriously wants to be a mayor, especially long-term. But Feducci seems to mostly treat being a mayor as something between a hobby and a temporary stepping-stone. To...- something. Collecting the names of eager and lucky murderers, for now. The more he can pass what Anne charmingly calls his "hunger games" legislations, the better he can test people at the murder-ready angle. London changing with it is just a welcome side-effect.

    personally I think he might want to take another shot at Arbour. This would explain why he's chilling with dilmun club, asides for fake-coughing at the implacable detective every time she tries to say something about presbyterate. The arbour city from his confession is a clear reference to arcadia (et in arbour/arcadia ego), and arcadia is often depicted as a garden. the garden, actually. the last time he went, he took with him friends, lovers, attendants, and all sorts of colourful, presumably not very well-versed in the art of combat, and currently extra-dead, crowd. Maybe he decided 77 accomplished duellists with guns, swords and plenty luck would be a bet with better odds.

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    8/17/2017
    No, the garden is closer to Nidah.
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    Catherine Raymond
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    9/23/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    So at the end of his term Feducci is going to have some sort of last hurrah or whatever, just as Mayor Jenny had one last Mayoral Ball. Given Feducci's whole term has revolved around violence and gambling, there will doubtlessly be plenty of that. Also presumably lots of liquor and honey, because why not?

    Does anyone else expect to see their Aunt among the guests? :P



    I expect to see *everyone's* Aunt among the guests. They are, after all, that sort of Aunt.

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/25/2017
    Small groups of heavily armed people regularly overcome much larger groups of unarmed people, so it could have gone either way. Sure, it would have been a bit of a gamble...would have been a bit of a gamble, there we go.

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    gronostaj
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    7/25/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    Sure, it would have been a bit of a gamble...would have been a bit of a gamble, there we go.

    (laughs) fair enough, you win that one

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    Sara Hysaro
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    7/24/2017
    That does seem the most likely, yeah. I'd find another attempt at that old expedition wherein he was the only survivor more to my personal liking, but that kinda hinges on the first one being a failure. Not sure if we know whether or not it was successful.
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    7/23/2017
    Funny, I'd swear I just saw him crouched on the cathedral cross over the Painted Ring with all the air of a raven perched on a brim of a child's cradle. And he's at Blythenhale almost all the time as well, and nearly catching my sleeve over at his mansion every time I try to pluck an Antique Mystery or five, and apparently still finding time for his hobbies, since you just murdered him....- you gotta admit the man has some remarkable time management skills. Ever considered the possibility there might be more than one Feducci strutting around?

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    Alex WasRight
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    7/24/2017
    Whoever Feducci is. The game must go on. Hail to that!

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    7/24/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    he barely seems to do any actual work. He just schemes and presides over games.

    scheming and presiding over games is an intellectual work equivalent of digging drainage ditches. ask any game-master.

    whenever Feducci is not being hacked to pieces after losing a duel in the black ribbon, he seems to be busy losing the duels against London's legal system. (clicks tongue) poor guy. If there's something that can kill an immortal, it's legislations. I can't watch him wilting, it's too cruel. someone go rub his poor tired shoulders or something

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    Reinol von Lorica
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    7/21/2017
    Well we lost. Time to go fishing,

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    gronostaj
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    7/21/2017
    "for Feducci's enjoyment" i swear to god, Feducci's demeanor rather reminds me of a nice beer from beyond the great ocean I had a chance to sample once. It was, if memory serves, labelled "Arrogant Bastard Ale™".

    [spoiler]"They do say he is increasingly furious that the games he arranges mean nothing; that he wants to have already upended the board" this man has no chill whatsoever. it's been what. five days? additionally, he takes meals at the gambling tables, so I suppose he no longer cares to maintain the Tomb-Colonist thing.[/spoiler.]
    edited by gronostaj on 7/21/2017

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    Sara Hysaro
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    7/22/2017
    Oh, I figured you were kidding. Just adding a bit of a disclaimer so nobody reading takes it far more seriously than intended. smile

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    Isaac Zienfried
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    7/21/2017
    Hahaha, yes! If Feducci's supporters were after a fight, then a fight we'll all have!

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    dov
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    7/17/2017
    Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
    Well, as the FL story arc is a journey across Victorian popular fiction, we all get at least a taste of detecting. That's a totally valid character signifier for anyone who wants to claim it.

    Oh, absolutely! Perfectly valid.

    I just have the feeling this is not how most of the players see their character. But what do I know?

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    Diptych
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    7/17/2017
    Hey, speak for yourself. I am a consulting detective, a servant of justice, and one of the foremost criminal agents of our age! ...okay, I solve the occasional case.

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    Spitfire Youngster
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    7/19/2017
    Wouldn't it be appropriate for the mayoral cards to start appearing in our opportunity decks? It's been over a week already.

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    LillianAranach
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    7/19/2017
    I must say, extremely well put Azothi. It's as if you stole my thoughts and articulated them more eloquently than I ever could.

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    Plynkes
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    7/21/2017
    Looks like the card is out. Haven't had it myself, but I saw somebody else with it in the "Who else is here?" sidebar.

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    lady ciel
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    7/10/2017
    Actual quote is "Feducci claims victory with nearly half the vote!" Certainly reads as just under 50%

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    Kylestien
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    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    I'm looking forward to a Can't Discard card on which you have to gamble all your possessions and/or Notability.


    My dear if the reward was worth my esimated amount of echoes in items I'd take that gamble. But considering I have a lot of items both trash and treasure it'd have to be one hell of a prize.

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    folklore364
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    7/10/2017
    I am rather curious as to why the spy for the presbatriate was elected. As to his winning, welp I time to go into overdrive on great gamers and find some more castigator venom. So many spys, so little time.

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    Lorbok
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    7/10/2017
    I'm pleased Feducci won, even though I campaigned for the Campaigner out of roleplaying reasons. Feducci is undoubtably the most interesting character out of the three and the audacity of his campaign was awe-inspiring.
    edited by Lorbok on 7/10/2017

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    Amsfield
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    7/10/2017
    Hotshot Blackburn wrote:
    Well, this is a terrible victory for me gameplay wise. I'm going to have to grind the Hunt is On for ages now to simulate the constant assassination attempts!

    In all seriousness, an interesting though not unexpected victory. Feducci will be an interesting mayor, and I look forward to seeing what kind of larks he'll be getting up to over the course of the year. The options on his card will probably remain the traditional Support/Oppose/Investigate trifecta, but what could the rewards be?


    I'm thinking support will be replaced with a gamble of 'pretty good odds' for MW and oddities, with a loss to MW and a few cp of wounds on a loss, Oppose will get society connected/favors and it'll be hell not the masters who slip you something on investigate.

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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    Again, that's my point. People don't care about platforms, so don't bother with presenting us a variety of candidates with different personalities and goals. Just give us three bad*sses, with three bad*ss platforms, and we might get a more even election.
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    Sir Joseph Marlen
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    7/10/2017
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

    It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


    I agree with the &quotunnatural vitality&quot part but I still think that ladies and men may prefer someone a bit more &quotfleshy&quot ;-P. Even the Implacable detective and the campainer are more &quotfresh&quot
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

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    Noz WOLF
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    7/10/2017
    gronostaj wrote:
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

    It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


    I agree with the "unnatural vitality" part but I still think that ladies and men may prefer someone a bit more "fleshy" ;-P. Even the Implacable detective and the campainer are more "fresh"
    ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°).

    Thanks for the debate too, it was fun even if i think that result depend too much in luck ><. I may be a sore loser too : one loss, one draw...
    edited by Noz WOLF on 7/10/2017

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    Noz WOLF
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    7/10/2017
    Congratulations to Feducci and his supporter !

    As an ardent follower of The Implacable Detective and an anarchist who wish that the powerful lose their privilege, i will still continue to pursue monster and mysteries. As such, i warn the current mayor that i will be constantly ready to strike with every tool that the law (and maybe not only the law) offer. You may have win the battle but you haven't win the war !

    PS : it would be fun that they create cards that allow to disrupt or support mayor activities along the year and give the result in a storylet before the next election.
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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.
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    7/10/2017
    Alea jacta est.

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    Màiread
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    7/10/2017
    Yep, I managed 15 influence in the nick of time. Thanks for the calculations!

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    Michelle
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    7/10/2017
    Too bad - both on the election result (my alt supported Feducci but I have very mixed feelings about him) and on the fact that I was under the impression that we would still have the 10th to finish campaigning. (Well, the whole Election time frame was inopportune for me RL-wise (final exams) but that can't be helped I suppose, it would always be bad timing for someone.)

    Even if I doubt that our new Mayor will bring much effective change and reform, it is sure going to be an interesting year going forward.
    (Let's just be thankful that at least the one basically wanting a police state did not win the election.)

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    Arcanuse
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    7/10/2017
    Another issue is that the order in which the candidates are revealed matters.
    Namely, whichever candidate is revealed first has an easier time gathering loyalists than the other two. Simply by existing, those who would vote for that individual without even considering joining a different candidate, are given more time to sway the as of yet undecided masses.
    It's not long before other candidates are revealed, yes, but that short amount of time can make all the difference.
    edited by Arcanuse on 7/10/2017

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Jolanda Swan wrote:
    I could see why Jenny got so easily the lead last year -badass and good intentioned both.

    last year I was one of those not-very-invested players who never visit forums and don't see any propaganda or anything and I just voted for her because she was a sexy nun. pretty sure I wasn't the only one in this. The majority of players will just go with a more eye-catching candidate, without giving it much thought. this maybe could be outweighted if the truly dedicated players were allowed to farm more than 50 points for their candidate?
    edited by gronostaj on 7/10/2017

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    maleclypse
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    7/10/2017
    Could someone PM me Feducci's supporter victory text?

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    Edward Warren
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    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    I'm looking forward to a Can't Discard card on which you have to gamble all your possessions and/or Notability.

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    Dungerson
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    7/10/2017
    It's fine, the sense of smugness from being the wiser few - that sense of "poor people, they have no idea what they're doing, o tempora o mores" - is almost as delicious as that of actual victory. Almost.

    I'm kidding around though, congratulations to Feducci and his supporters - I hope that we'll be able to learn more about the Presbyterates, and that all the excitement through the next year will be in our favor!

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