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gronostaj
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
Barse, the game made it completely clear that Feducci didn't HAVE a platform. He was just flinging crap against a wall to see what stuck. I don't see how anyone could have voted for him based on a platform that didn't exist :P

Yet he won, and if that doesn't prove that a candidates platform doesn't matter, I don't know what does.

All politics are smoke and mirrors and promises. That's also a part of platform, unless there are some linguistic differences between what "political platform" means in my native and English.

Feducci didn't seem to have an idea how to reliably put his ideas into life besides vague "dog-eats-dog equality and gambling". Fine by my character, not necessarily myself IRL wink But neither did DTC, besides vague "let's get the bad stuff out of people's hands and put it somewhere else". The only candidate that actually very obviously had an entire, reliable, executable plan with steps and all, was the Implacable Detective.

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gronostaj
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
The game made that perfectly clear.

did it now? The only clear thing I saw is that Feducci was more interested in winning the election than what would happen after he won an election. clearly from his remark that the election is just the beginning, though, he has something more specific in mind.

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Curious Foreigner
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
If they cared for platforms, they wouldn't have voted for Feducci because he didn't HAVE one.

The game made that perfectly clear. He was just saying whatever would get him elected, playing the people of London for fools

Firstly: Even if you were right, and Feducci didn't have a platform, people could have voted for him and still care about platforms. By despising the platforms of the other two enough to find no platform preferable.
Secondly: Feducci has a platform. A fair game for all. The opportunity to rise for all.
It's a vague platform, and he has no concrete plans to implement it, but it's a platform nonetheless.

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Kukapetal
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7/10/2017
Yes, the other two could have also waged campaigns full of empty, contradictory promises. But we don't know that. We definitely know that Feducci did though. And people don't care.
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gronostaj
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
Yes, the other two could have also waged campaigns full of empty, contradictory promises. But we don't know that. We definitely know that Feducci did though. And people don't care.

we don't know if they're empty promises if he's been a mayor for like four hours. I for one think that he'll try his best at destabilising the system and introducing some gambles into the citiziens' everyday life, just for sport if nothing else. and as for contradictions-.... well, cut him some slack, his first power-grab revolution was in hell, where contradictory promises are valid all the same wink that had to leave some mark on logic

edit: and the reasons as to why people not care about revealed dirt on him are very different from person to person, as was established several times on this thread already. So at least that should tell you that everything about candidates matter- their personality, popularity, platform- as well as the personal approach of players, the style of their roleplay etc.
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Kukapetal
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7/10/2017
He's also a spy, which makes him hostile to London and its people by DEFINITION. You cannot trust him to be genuine about anything. Even if he did have a coherent platform, it's likely to be a bunch of BS anyway. He's working for his own nation, NOT London.

I assume most players realize this, therefore, his "platform" must not matter to them and they chose him based on other reasons (he's cool, he'll make an interesting mayor, etc).

Again, this shows what players really want in a candidate and so future elections should offer similar candidates to allow there to be more of an actual competition.

Or add a rubberyman to the mix. Pretty sure he'd get a ton of support despite probably not even knowing what a mayor does, because people like rubberymen.
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gronostaj
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
I assume most players realize this, therefore, his "platform" must not matter to them and they chose him based on other reasons (he's cool, he'll make an interesting mayor, etc).

yeah, but that's "meta" knowledge. some players know this (but lets be real, outside this forum, its a miracle if someone knows hes not a dead rotting tomb-colonist, not to mention presbyterate spy. seriously, a lot of players just DON'T know these things you and I take for granted. Hell, (heh) I still learn new lore things every day I'm on the forum, and I'm an end-game player.) but their characters might not.

not to mention, honestly, being under a foreign power influence? In Fallen London, the seat of the great game where literally everyone's allegiance is questionable at best? Hardly his most damning attribute ;P His ties to Presbyterate aren't more shown-off in game or treated as more scandalous in text than Detective's ties to parabolean danger noodles, or DTC's revolutionary ties.

edit: heh, people do like rubbery men. though i'm rather devils person myself. see? another incentive to vote for Feducci. like I said, reasons to pick a candidate differ a lot, like seriously, A LOT, between said candidate's supporters.
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Curious Foreigner
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7/10/2017
Kukapetal wrote:
He's also a spy, which makes him hostile to London and its people by DEFINITION. You cannot trust him to be genuine about anything. Even if he did have a coherent platform, it's likely to be a bunch of BS anyway. He's working for his own nation, NOT London.

So was Jenny, and her platform turned out to not be BS.
I assume most players realize this, therefore, his "platform" must not matter to them and they chose him based on other reasons (he's cool, he'll make an interesting mayor, etc).
Again, this shows what players really want in a candidate and so future elections should offer similar candidates to allow there to be more of an actual competition.

Baseless assumptions. People can know that Feducci works with/for the Presbyter and still believe he genuinely wants to implement his platform.
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Lady Sapho Byron
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7/10/2017
Drake Dynamo wrote:
LMAO all these people who want Feducci to add a negative card to the deck. That would be like if last year all of us Bishop people demanded Jenny put a card that gives the player an STD into the deck. Everyone's gotta chill out.


In my proposal there could be a positive outcome. Some people will win under Feducci, after all ... just not everyone. I'd like a mayor card (no matter who the mayor is) that is not only benefits.

That said, I like very much how Jenny's school and (I presume) the Season of Stones spun out of Jenny's election. I am particularly curious to see what will come of Feducci's mayorship.

Even more importantly however, I want more content on the Honey Well!
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Lady Sapho Byron
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7/10/2017
gronostaj wrote:
Noz WOLF wrote:
COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

oh, hello, i remember you from the debates! see, I told you Feducci is gonna win. It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


Or not. What's he trying to compensate for with that lance of his?



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    Gul al-Ahlaam
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    7/10/2017
    I based my OOC decision on the result of the last election, for the most part. It seemed that, since they had no control over laws or law enforcement, the role of the mayor was to use public money and authority to implement one significant personal project before leaving office. Its also seemed that the various alliances and scandals primarily added flavor to the mayoral events, without significantly impacting their outcomes, while what determined the candidate's project was their overall sensibility and creed, rather than their specific decisions during the campaign.

  • On these grounds, I decided that Feducci would be the best from a player's perspective, since he would add lots of lore and flavor related to the Presbyterate, my favorite part of the setting, while implementing some sort of liberty-enhancing project, likely directed toward breaking up the aristocracy, or sponsoring more unterzee trade, or something like that. My character was also a poor fit for either of the other candidates, since they strongly object to people enforcing their laws or morals on others.

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    gronostaj
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    7/10/2017
    Lady Sapho Byron wrote:
    gronostaj wrote:
    Noz WOLF wrote:
    COngratulations to feducci and his supporter !

    oh, hello, i remember you from the debates! see, I told you Feducci is gonna win. It's a matter of biology. A man with unnatural vitality is always popular- particularly with the ladies wink


    Or not. What's he trying to compensate for with that lance of his?


    SHOTS FIRED! here, snag one of these black ribbons from his arm, you deserve it. For the prima-sort verbal murder wink For the record I always wanted to see if the fake tomb-colonist might write secrets on the underside of his bandages like real colonists do. If I ever get to....- unwrap him, purely for scientific reasons I might add, I'll keep you informed.

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    Kukapetal
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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.
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    Anne Auclair
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    If they cared for platforms, they wouldn't have voted for Feducci because he didn't HAVE one.

    Well, since Feducci got under 50% of the vote, that suggests a majority of players actually do care about platforms or can be persuaded by people who care about platforms.

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    Curious Foreigner
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    7/10/2017
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.

    Firstly, Sinning Jenny is a spy, and yet her term as mayor has shown me that she isn't hostile to London. She was a positive influence all around.
    Secondly, the baseless assumption is that Feducci's platform can't matter to all people who know he's a spy.

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Curious Foreigner, a spy is, by definition, hostile to whatever group they're spying on. Saying Feducci, a spy, is therefore hostile to London, the group he is spying on, is not a "baseless" accusation.

    Firstly, Sinning Jenny is a spy, and yet her term as mayor has shown me that she isn't hostile to London. She was a positive influence all around.

    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

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    matlex
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    7/10/2017
    I understand that it was mostly a popularity contest, but even with that I am quite surprised at how much Feducci beat the Implacable detective by. She's a really cool detective who has never failed a case and who, despite being part of the whole police system, is totally incorruptible and is incredibly strict on the police themselves, and who seems to be just as much on the up and up as the Last Constable, and she's even willing to go against the Fingerkings, if you look at some of the things in the second half of the election, which is really cool. I always like it when one of the characters goes against one of the large Powers in the game, like Hell or Parabola or the Presbyteriate or the Judgements, and the Detective is willing to go against the Fingerkings, one of the most powerful Powers, despite being indebted to them, and that just seems really badass to me. I would have expected a 40-35-25 or 45-40-15 split of the votes, personally, rather than the almost 50% of the vote that Feducci is implied to have gotten.

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    Curious Foreigner
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    7/10/2017
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

    The Sisterhood does, however, want to kill an important figure in London's leadership.

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/10/2017
    WinterIV wrote:
    Kukapetal wrote:
    Gillsing wrote:

    And it wasn't until the flash lays and investigations for the second week that Feducci appeared incompetent.


    I don't think he ever appeared incompetent, that glimpse into his disorganized election campaign was simply to show the player that he didn't have an actual platform and was just saying stuff to get himself elected.



    It comes down to two unfortunate revelations.

    1. People simply aren't reading the extra text that Failbetter writes for the candidates. Unless you are one of the madpeople here in the forum you may not catch every bit of text and every single update.

    Or, more disturbingly:

    2. People don't care. They backed the candidate on day one and nothing anyone writes is going to make them change their minds. Is this a human brain problem? Or is it that changing candidates punishes you in the election? Maybe a combo of the two?

    An interesting experiment would be to front-load more positive information about the candidates in the first week. You know, more platforms details, more descriptions of supporters, and such. Certain very popular parts of the DTC's program weren't revealed until the second week - would they have won more votes if they had been right out front in the first week? Maybe.

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    Anne Auclair
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    7/10/2017
    Curious Foreigner wrote:
    Anne Auclair wrote:
    She was a spy for the Sisterhood. And she still is. The Sisterhood doesn't exactly lay claim on London's colonies or desire the souls of its citizens.

    The Sisterhood does, however, want to kill an important figure in London's leadership.

    And we all weep for his safety.

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