Hallabalooga
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7/5/2017
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Am I the only one who is annoyed at it? Seriously no other thing has annoyed me as much as this one. It's like it is someone's first time designing browser based interaction between people.
Wait multiple times for the opponent to answer? Can't start another debate until opponent claims his prize, even though you already claimed yours? Like, what?!
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gronostaj
Posts: 403
7/5/2017
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God yes. I really do appreciate the tiny little roleplays one can have during the course of several actions but man does it take forever to finish a debate. Not to mention when you and your opponent are in different time zones. A patience test like this might be...... mildly irking but acceptable, if not for the time limit. As it is, it's close to infuriating. And you need to play several debates just to cash in for one point of Influencing, too.
A good fix would be either to allow multiple debates at once, or simplify the process into less steps, ie. iniviting an opponent, opponent accepts, you make your decisions (all three steps, whether you fight fair or not, whether you make a demagogue argument or call names etc. at once), they make their choices, and resolution is presented. Or just, you know. A K&C type of gameplay, only with verbal murder instead of murder murder.
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Teaspoon
Posts: 866
7/6/2017
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I would like to agree with all these things.
I would also like to say that as a player who generally prefers to tackle problems solo (the NPC spouse, raising Notability without using Free Evenings), I am slightly put out that debates are the *only* way to get to the top level of influence in this election. All right, debates are about people, but NPCs are people too! Sort of.
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
7/6/2017
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I very much like the concept of debating other players, but, like other here, I strongly dislike the implementation.
-Since one can only be involved in one debate at a time, and as one's debate partner may be slow to respond, and as it takes several debates before debate rewards can be converted into election influence, the real time needed for debating to produce substantive results is excessive.
-I find the rock-paper-scissor mechanic of debating to be of drool-inducing uninterestingness.
Should debates return next year, I would be ecstatic to see:
-Being able to participate in an unlimited number of debates at any given time.
-A mechanic with which one can respond to a specific debate "attack" from one's opponent by countering with one's own strength or hitting one's opponent's (perceived) weakness, as in actual debates. Ideally, something about the characters themselves would be involved such as Persuasiveness, BD and/or R, election career level, etc.
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Gillsing
Posts: 1203
7/5/2017
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The debates are already K&C type of gameplay, only it's the Moon League instead of the Iron League. Though with how slow it might take to level up from debates, it makes sense that the cap is only five steps away. Should keep most people from hitting the cap too quickly.
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Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2518
7/5/2017
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I agree; debates are slow, because they require more than one exchange of social actions with another player. Even if you stick with players you know are involved and prepared to check back to advance the debate, people's schedules differ so there can still be a significant wait. Other than that, I'm enjoying the mechanic--but the time factor is a significant drawback for a one-week event.
To give an idea of the level of frustration involved to people who may not have tried it yet; my alt and I have completed only one debate apiece since Debating became a thing on Monday (and I could spend significant time on both days because of the Fourth of July holiday here in the US).
edited by cathyr19355 on 7/5/2017
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Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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