Sara Hysaro
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We're a pretty chill bunch, just sipping coffee and watching all of you debate.
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Isaac Zienfried
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7/9/2017
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
We're a pretty chill bunch, just sipping coffee and watching all of you debate.
Whoa whoa whoa, speak for yourself. I will have you know that I have no chill. Have you seen half my posts?
...And then I remember whom I am replying to, and now realize it's probably best if you haven't.
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Anne Auclair
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7/9/2017
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Amsfield wrote:
The truth remains that I voted for Jenny (and were she standing, would again) out of a belief in Liberty and in Fairness, and Feducci is the only candidate to represent these values. It is that sense that Feducci is the legitimate successor to Sinning Jenny.
Sinning Jenny disagrees and she has chosen a different successor. Last we saw her, she was drinking tea in Hastings Square. The Campaigner is also a fairly strong personality - loud, opinionated, regularly likened to steel, dauntless. And yet Sinning Jenny is okay with her, despite certain differences of policy, character, and...personal behavior.
You're pretty much saying you know Jenny's policy positions and legacy better than she does, to the point that you confidently claim that she would be supporting Feducci if she wasn't blinded by personal jealousy and spite.
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However, I maintain that a great deal of the animosity is in fact personal. What can you call arguing about curtains, hosting parties beneath each others rooms and (admittedly unflatteringly) snide remarks (primarily from Feducci, I am ashamed to admit) but a personal disagreement. That the disagreement was initially due to differing political opinions is not an issue, political arguments take place in the form of public debate, either in person or in open letters, not in private [sic] arguments. In no part of this do I accuse the mayor of being petty, it is not petty to disagree with or even dislike another person.
You are accusing her of being petty when you say she acts publicly because of a simple "personal disagreement," a clashing of personalities that is ultimately of little importance compared to other, far larger concerns. Jenny fails to see and sets out to thwart her supposed natural successor because of some snide remarks. This is the definition of acting in a petty manner.
Petty wrote:
adjective, pettier, pettiest.
1. of little or no importance or consequence:
petty grievances.
2. of lesser or secondary importance, merit, etc.; minor:
petty considerations.
3. having or showing narrow ideas, interests, etc.:
petty minds.
4. mean or ungenerous in small or trifling things:
a petty person.
5. showing or caused by meanness of spirit:
a petty revenge.
6. of secondary rank, especially in relation to others of the same class or kind:
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Amsfield
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7/9/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Sinning Jenny disagrees and she has chosen a different successor. Last we saw her, she was drinking tea in Hastings Square. The Campaigner is also a fairly strong personality - loud, opinionated, regularly likened to steel, dauntless. And yet Sinning Jenny is okay with her, despite certain differences of policy, character, and...personal behavior.
You're pretty much saying you know Jenny's policy positions and legacy better than she does, to the point that you confidently claim that she would be supporting Feducci if she wasn't blinded by personal jealousy and spite.
I at no point intimated that I think Jenny would support Feducci. I admit that policy differences are the root of their mutual dislike. I belive your misconception is based on not under standing the line Amsfield wrote:
The truth remains that I voted for Jenny (and were she standing, would again) out of a belief in Liberty and in Fairness, and Feducci is the only candidate to represent these values. It is that sense that Feducci is the legitimate successor to Sinning Jenny. In which I am not stating 'Jenny would pick Feducci if they got on better', what I am saying is that, as someone who did support Jenny, Feducci is the person who I feel best exemplifies the virtues I found in Jenny's policy. He is the successor to Jenny in the sense that he is receiving the votes of those who care about personal liberty, and addressing longstanding inequity. (on the first point he is the only candidate advocating for this, and on the second the detective has said nothing). Neither you nor (as you suppose) even Jenny, whom I admire, can disagree that I voted the way I did for the reasons I did, neither can you dispute that I vote now for the reasons I state.
As to the rest, I have repeated time and time again that I do not believe our Mayor is petty or that her not supporting Feducci is based purely on their personal disagreement. I see little value in repeating it again, as you refuse to accept it. I am not arguing the point you claim, and as you do not appear to be arguing that there is no personal disagreement, so I'm not sure what debate you think there is there.
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Charlotte_de_Witte
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7/9/2017
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
So, you two gonna keep flirting across the entire Election subforum until the event's over? I genuinely hope so; this is pretty engaging.
Really though, it's nice to see Feducci's got someone as spirited as our Anne. She needed an outlet.
Careful there Isaac.
As a wise man once said: 'Don't ship unless you're willing to read the fanfic'. :-p
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edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 7/9/2017
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JimmyTMalice
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7/9/2017
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Is it now time to coin the neologism "pettimost?"
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Anne Auclair
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7/9/2017
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Amsfield wrote:
He is the successor to Jenny in the sense that he is receiving the votes of those who care about personal liberty, and addressing longstanding inequity.
Jenny never ran on liberty, she ran against exclusion and inequality. And Feducci has not promised to address inequality in any meaningful way: Most Shan't Rise. Equality In Death.
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I am not arguing the point you claim, and as you do not appear to be arguing that there is no personal disagreement, so I'm not sure what debate you think there is there.
Actually I am arguing that there is no personal disagreement. There is a political and policy disagreement. Jenny thinks Feducci is unfit for office and knows that he'll tear up her legacy, because he's fundamentally opposed to it.
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Trilby
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7/10/2017
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The detective's also an option.
I'd like to see a navy that's not brainwashed before I start seeing the poor fixed up.
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Trilby
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The detective's also an option.
I'd like to see a navy that's not brainwashed before I start seeing the poor fixed up.
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Isaac Zienfried
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7/10/2017
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No, see, you don't get it. The Dawn Machine is a narcotic. You know how the Campaigner feels about those!
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But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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