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Not Interested in "Day of Agitation"

naraoia Posts: 66 7/3/2017	I'm on record as being against mobs. I was not sufficiently warned about mobs before I chose Agitator as my profession. The second I learned what mobs were, I changed to Campaigner, despite the fact that Agitator was the only choice that made sense for my character, in RP terms. Fine--my enjoyment of the game was harmed temporarily so that other people could troll one another. I don't expect a perfect experience from FL, and accept that there are times I will disagree with FB's decisions. Except now they're following me home. I logged in today to find, basically, a message saying "Oh, that part of the game you hated, that you ran away from? Now it's mandatory!" Because apparently it's a fun social experiment. I took specific actions to avoid mobs. I don't want mobs even for 24 hours. I don't want a single mob. The one I had to dig my out from under was bad enough, thank you. The way I enjoy the game is largely solitary. I enjoy occasionally checking out social actions, but for the vast majority of my time in FL I just want to be left alone to read the nice text. I even got through SMEN without bothering anyone else, because I didn't want that kind of interaction. FB, I would appreciate being given an option to opt-out of things like this. Barring that I'll just choose not to participate in content. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/naraoia
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naraoia Posts: 66 7/3/2017	I play the game to see new content. I've played for years, and have seen everything, so the only reason to keep playing is to see new text. In order to see this week's new text, I am required to subject myself to random people clicking my name and harassing me. "Not playing" is my only option. Not playing a game I'm paying for. I understand that a lot of people like this addition. Fine for them. I stopped playing video games when they all started requiring multiplayer--the online crowd was unbearable. I started playing FL (and indie games in general) to get away from that nonsense. FB has made it clear that this is an "experiment" which mayl lead to more and more of this kind of content. I came here to voice my objection to this trend. If I'm in the minority here (which is apparently the case), and this is the wave of the future, fine, I'll just stop playing (and paying for) FL altogether. I posted here in hopes of finding some way that I can keep playing, but I recognize it's probably a forlorn hope. I appreciate your thoughtful response, Isaac, but I'm not interested in other peoples' "hard feelings" when I log on to play FL. That's a function of the forums, not the actual game. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/naraoia
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naraoia Posts: 66 7/3/2017	I'm probably a little more annoyed with this than usual, because it's the very worst part of real life intruding on my escape hatch. But I really, really didn't like the one time I was mobbed, and don't want to do that again. I guess I should state for the record--this is my opinion. If other people like mobs, I'm happy for them, sincerely. It's just not to my taste. If I come across as overly dramatic, I apologize. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/naraoia
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Meridiem Posts: 7 7/4/2017	Amsfield wrote: I think the bigger issue is that some people find unwanted social interaction, especially hostile interaction, really stressful regardless of how damaging the interaction might be aside from that. does that make sense? Thank you. This is exactly the case for me. I have played other multi-user text-based gamers, and where there is a Player vs Player interaction which can be hostile, what I have found very workable is when that is offered as opt-in rather than made into a default. For instance, a MUD I spent years playing had different guilds which players could join; one guild offered PvP whereby members could kill each other. In the remaining guilds there was no way to kill another player. People who wanted PvP could join that guild and enjoy competitively killing each other; people who didn't enjoy hostile interactions could play other guilds, and we all got along, PvPs and non-PvPs alike, because no one was forced to receive hostile actions they didn't want to from anyone else. Making it so that people cannot opt-out of hostile interactions basically means that individual players lose the choice about moderating the kind of social contact they are receiving and that is stressful for me. I will play less new content, and include myself less in the whole election story as a result.
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VioletBandit Posts: 100 7/3/2017	I agree with naroia. I personally don't mind the Day of Agitation that much, but I really wish I could opt out of being asked to debate. What is fun, what is too annoying, and what is too much like real life are highly subjective things that should be left for each player to decide. I am strongly considering not playing the election next year, but as it's too late to opt out of this one, I may simply have to stay away from the game this week. And as naroia said, if this is an indication of how the game will develop in the future, I may have to stop playing altogether. I understand a lot of people are having fun, and if they are indeed the majority, I understand if that's the direction in which the developers decide to take the game. But in case enough people are finding themselves annoyed by these new actions to justify the implementation of an opt-out system, I think it's more productive for us to voice that opinion than to just give up and quietly stop playing without letting Failbetter know why. -- Violet Bandit, my main account. Extraordinary Mind and player of the Marvellous. Dauntless Damsel, my alt. Shattering Force and Vake hunter.
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Meridiem Posts: 7 7/4/2017	It's not for me. I don't like being pulled into social actions which I didn't agree to in advance - and I didn't agree to this when I chose to be a Fixer. It feels like the mechanics have been changed on me halfway through the process, and I will, regretfully, stop doing Investigations and Flash Lays for a few days now just to avoid having to deal with this. That seems to be the only way I can opt out right now since I'm not willing to raise my menaces just so I will be out of social contact for a day, and I don't yet have access to areas of the game where I would be out of reach. I get that for other people this new social mechanic is fun. However I feel like an introvert who's been happily playing in a way that is right for me, being able to choose the level of contact I want, but is now made vulnerable to being griefed or trolled by intrusive persons unknown. As an introvert, I would rather, with regret, stop playing/doing the fun thing I was enjoying and protectively withdraw than be intruded on that way. This is not fun for me, and I wish that the mechanics had been implemented in a way that gave people a choice to opt-in to stuff like this, rather than having to opt-out by withdrawing for several days of the election. After all there are a variety of players and playing styles here; it is not unusual that some people don't enjoy having mobs sicced on them by strangers.
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Hotshot Blackburn Posts: 110 7/4/2017	From previous experience with this type of thing, I'm calling it as unpopular and controversial and financially better for Failbetter if they don't pursue this train of gameplay. Faction-versus-faction combat is not particularly new to Fallen London or other online text-based games, and there as well as here it's been a source of controversy for those who want to engage versus those who don't want to engage versus those who want everyone to engage. The current experiment forces mobbing on players who want to experience certain seasonal texts from minigsmes in Fallen London. The combat takes the form of menaces and prevention from being able to experience that text. There is no way to control who mobs you (so rando's can spam you) and there is no ability to be defensive against mobs (no way to prevent them from targeting you or punish them for targeting you). Unlike other campaign elements, you cannot refuse a mob social action. If the other player decides they want to interact with you, there is no way to shut them down or block them. This discourages people from participating in the game (see everyone who switched from Agitator to another role) and discourages engagement with seasonal features and single-player aspects. Disengaging with the game means players aren't as likely to spend money on it, which hurts Failbetter financially. i do not therefore see this system continuing next year or even the remainder of this election in its current form. Options for changing it including not locking players out of content when mobbed but rather only sticking to autofire menaces, reducing the costs for getting rid of a mob or lowering your menaces to 0 by other means removing the mob, and/or creating a defensive option for players to prevent mobs from targeting them (say, a grind that gives a Time-limited Quality for which 0 is required for a mob to target you). Opt-in only or at the least an easy opt-out. And no, "don't play storylets that offer story and lore as rewards" or "don't engage in limited time story events" do not count as acceptable opt-out reasons. -- Hotshot Blackburn: Messidor, Aspirant to the Calendar Council. Paramount Presence. Seeker of the Name. A firm believer in kindness, solidarity, and sufficient use of force and firepower.
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/4/2017	I have found "if you don't like it, don't play it" to be the least helpful or reasonable response to critique I can think of. It doesn't show any desire to hear what problems people have, it's a shutdown of dialogue, and unhelpful in a very obnoxious way. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 7/3/2017	K&C only let you stab people on your contacts who were also part of K&C. The entire thing was almost completely mechanically separate from the rest of the game and joining was full of opt-in warnings. And even that caused issues for newer players and those who just forgot about it. The issue here is of course that there's no specific opt-in for mobs. Now that there's this Day of Agitation, you can't even change professions anymore. If you're a PoSI and want to participate in the election content you're just out of luck. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Jermaine Vendredi Posts: 588 7/5/2017	@ Cthonius Given the graphic description of mobbing in these threads, I don't need to "see" more to know this is not for me. Of the three people in our house who play, the agitator switched immediately after being mobbed by a player he had never encountered before. He wishes there were a way of excluding that player from any further contact ever. One of the others switched candidates due to an electioneering approach (away from the candidate proposed, actually). All three of us have set our profiles to private and stopped playing election content since Monday. We may or may not return to it. If the intention behind the changes was to engage people more, it had completely the opposite effect for us. Nobody was as seriously upset as the ES player on the Feedback thread who instantly cancelled their subscription. But two of the three are long-time players and sometimes the question of whether to continue, or whether to subscribe in the future, does depend on the answer to "are we having fun now?" The election is clearly content that is still changing and, one hopes, will change again in the future. Given that by its very nature it is adversarial, "carefully" is probably the way to go when introducing that kind of dynamic into the game. My impression is certainly that some of the ill will generated on the forums last year is still floating around. I am sure FB have the skills to know how the election functions were distributed among players initially, how many switched after the first mobbing, how many have opted out of the Day of Agitation by avoiding the quality, and indeed if and how player and subscriber numbers are affected. I hope my house-mates and I aren't the outliers here and will not have to look on as the game shifts into something we no longer want to play. -- No plant battles, please. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Jermion
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Cthonius Posts: 362 7/6/2017	So having finally been accosted, I can give an accurate opinion on this Day. It's annoying having to use that many actions to rid of the mob, especially since the opportunity card doesn't lower it any, but it's a mild inconvenience at best. If anything this seems like it was done today to give more importance and use for Fixers, who even this year still are looked as less advantageous. It's certainly not near as bad as lead to believe, though the 2nd Chances options are very underwhelming. I can easily see this staying on for future elections, with tinkering and perhaps a message about going to fixers for help included with the mob stuff. -- Cthonius, gone North. Gone. Oneiropompus, a Scarlet Saint, eager to help make your dreams realities. Accepting all social requests for now.
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Plynkes Posts: 631 7/6/2017	Well, I just got mobbed. My own personal experience* was that it was trivially easy to shake off the mob, and I made some waves to boot. Didn't even really break my stride. Now I shall bide my time, wait a nice long time for the election to die down and everyone to forget about it, and then stick some menaces on the guy that sent them using the regular interactions under cover of friendly helpfulness. If you think you have impunity you are dead wrong. Your experience may differ. -- "Then tell Wind and Fire where to stop, but don't tell me."*
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Prospero Rune Posts: 68 7/5/2017	Knowing that individual opinions are valued and listened to by FB is one of the reasons I continue to enjoy their games. That said, I will add my voice of dissent against the “Day of Agitation.” My objection, simply, is that I do not find having menaces forced on my by strangers enjoyable. I am fairly rigid with my social actions; I expect others to send a calling card and make my acquaintance prior to requesting any other social action. This is especially true for those who ask me to increase my menaces without first properly introducing themselves. Others may enjoy engaging with random players; I chose to socialize only with acquaintances. My plan for today is to keep myself and my Alts in endless Flash Lay loops. This wouldn’t be much of an imposition on any other day, but today I am at my leisure to spend my time engaged in activities that make me happy, like playing FL. So, I will forgo my plan to spend some quality time in London, and spend that time elsewhere. C'est la vie. I would like to make a suggestion for next year. If this experiment works for most players, and becomes a reoccurring element of Elections, then I suggest that players be provided a way to rid themselves of Notoriety before The Day of Agitation begins. It would, of course, come at some cost (candles and resources) to the player. Maybe they would have to hire a Clay Man for the day as a bodyguard. Or enlist a gang of urchins to patrol the neighborhood for mobs. Maybe Fixers could be employed to ward off the mobs before they reach the player. Everyone plays this game in their own way, and it can’t be easy trying to please everyone. I feel there has to be a better solution for those of us who are choosing to avoid London today because of our choice not the engage in random social activities. -- Prospero Rune. Alice Tintin-An Extraordinary Mind. Claude Frollo-A Shattering Force. Drake Maijstral-An Invisible Eminence. Aardent Lore (Gone North). Surface business will draw us away from FL for an undetermined period of time. Forgive us if we cannot respond to social requests in a timely manner.
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Amsfield Posts: 176 7/4/2017	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Quick question, what do mobs actually do? I was under the impression that it took maybe 4-5 actions to deal with and gave a bit of menaces. That really doesn't sound bad at all. Is there more to it? You are also locked out of investigations and flash lays. The only way to get rid of them is spending second chances, increasing menaces or i think maybe some resources. There annoying yeah, but manageable. I think the bigger issue is that some people find unwanted social interaction, especially hostile interaction, really stressful regardless of how damaging the interaction might be aside from that. does that make sense? -- Amsfield: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Amsfield A devotee of pleasures intellectual and fleshy. Always fabulously masked. Honoria Kastern: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Honoria%20Kastern A hunter, a shooter and a fisher. Also a patriotic busy body. Mildly corrupted. Maiser: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maiser A young firebrand of obviously criminal intent. Venshik: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Venshik Not a nice person. Asmeria: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Asmeria Quiet, thoughtful and possibly mad. Excellent listener though. Favours grey.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 7/4/2017	As an aside, since people can and do feel bad from stick and stones and especially mobs: Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote: We are not here to mock our fellow players. Whoever wins the election, they will remain our friends and neighbours, and should be shown respect. If you see others behaving badly, the correct course of action is to notify the moderators, not to join in. And I don't ask that you leave - only that you be polite. I've been mulling over the ways to put this into words, but Freddy made a good point. Candidates don't even remain the same each year. Allegiances and priorities changes all the time. The one constant is the company. The "hypocritical / loud / seeking" supporters of your least favourite candidate this year could be your allies next year, and outside of Election you still have the rest of the year to spend with them. In real life there are irreconcilable differences that make people despicable to others, but that doesn't apply here. So, yup, be kind.... and don't get angry at your opponents! Especially when you get mobbed. Don't let the blood pressure rise. (I feel like this totally killed the delivery.) -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 7/4/2017	Throwing in my two 0.01 Echoes, I dislike the mechanic behind the Day of Agitation. It is very much one of "if you want to play, be prepared to be attacked." I don't mind mixing it up with other players (I was quite fond of K&C ... or would have been, if it existed ... >_> ) , but being able to be targeted by some random chump just because I pursue a grind leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. One great thing about FL is the absence of this. At least it is only one day, and only effects POSIs, who are able to dispatch mobs with relative ease. edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 7/4/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Meridiem Posts: 7 7/4/2017	Isaac Zienfried wrote: Sometimes I wonder how long it'll be until people say we should remove qualities checks for options because wasting actions on failures isn't fun... This is a straw man. No one is suggesting the removal of quality checks in normal gameplay, and exaggerating to suggest that that is the case is no real response to the specific issues that people are raising here. This is about the election in particular, and the fact that gameplay mechanics have been changed halfway through the process in a way that affects how people can, or in this case can't moderate the kind of social interactions they are willing to engage in while playing through this new and time-limited content. It doesn't make sense to me that Failbetter would actually want people to avoid playing through some of the extra content they have worked on for the election, but a side effect of the Day of Agitation is that myself and some others are ending up doing that anyway. I am a new POSI, so still find menaces fairly difficult to deal with, and I don't yet have a ship, for instance, so cannot put out at sea for the day and so on. I am also an Exceptional Friend; if I had known that the Day of Agitation was a thing that was going to happen, I would have saved the bulk of this month's Exceptional Story just for Wednesday through to Thursday, because it would have taken me out of London and made me unreachable, I think, by mobs, while giving me a new place to explore. In terms of giving players choices, some kind of forewarning about the Day of Agitation at the start of the election would really have helped. I'd probably have prefered to be a Campaigner instead of a Fixer (for this, my first ever election in Fallen London), as another example of things I could have done to avoid this situation if I'd had more warning. It doesn't strike me as a good idea to be alienating a subsection of players from trying out new content by changing the goalposts halfway through the process. And again, it's entirely reasonable that some people don't enjoy the experience of being griefed by strangers.
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phryne Posts: 1351 7/6/2017	Dudebro Pyro wrote: I didn't get mobbed either for some reason, despite being thoroughly active in-game and moderately active on the forums. When does the Day end? It's been over for several hours. And my two non-Agitator accounts didn't get mobbed either, despite even asking for it here on the forums! I don't think this "experiment" was a success, my personal impression was rather that a lot of players explicitly ignored the Day of Agitation. edited by phryne on 7/6/2017 -- Accounts: Bag a Legend • Light Fingers • Heart's Desire • Nemesis • no ambition Exceptional Stories, sorted by Season and by writer ― Favours & Renown Guide
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/3/2017	I'm pointing out the inherent flaw in giving agitators yet another advantage, and further making fixers suffer. If a fixer wants to advance, now they become twice as vulnerable, while campaigners circumvent the risk entirely through short stories. Why would anyone play a fixer at this rate? -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/3/2017	I mean, if you're going to get yourself involved in a big election with hard feelings all around, you should probably expect not to live a comfortable quiet life. Then again, it does feel a little mean to say "don't want mobs? Don't play the election." Even if it does make sense. -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Prospero Rune Posts: 68 7/7/2017	phryne wrote: I don't think this "experiment" was a success, my personal impression was rather that a lot of players explicitly ignored the Day of Agitation. I believe you are right about people staying away from the event. There are players who see this type of game-play as invasive, and they will do what they think necessary to avoid it. I do try to take special precautions to stay hidden. I keep profiles private. I clear contacts so that only acquaintances were listed. Though I'm not sure how helpful these steps are. When I am ready to make new acquaintances I come looking for them here in the forum. When strangers do call, I check their profiles and look to see if they are registered here. When I socialize, I want it to be on my terms. I don't want it forced on me. It was relatively easy to avoid being mobbed. My gang and I started Flash Lays before retiring for the evening, and we simply rolled in and out of them throughout the next day. As a test, I purposely left myself vulnerable before shutting down for the night. Low and behold, there was a strange mod at my doorstep the next morning. I dispatched them quickly and painlessly enough, but my alts would have had a much harder time of it. As I said before, everyone has their own way of enjoying FL. It was a good experiment, and that there are components of it that appeal to some players - it enhanced their experience. It just needs a tweak or two so that players like me don't feel they have to go to extremes to avoid the event. edited by Aardent Lore on 7/7/2017 -- Prospero Rune. Alice Tintin-An Extraordinary Mind. Claude Frollo-A Shattering Force. Drake Maijstral-An Invisible Eminence. Aardent Lore (Gone North). Surface business will draw us away from FL for an undetermined period of time. Forgive us if we cannot respond to social requests in a timely manner.
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Blaine Davidson Posts: 388 7/7/2017	I was mobbed with menace clearing offers but not once was I mobbed despite constantly being notorious. I'll take this as a compliment. -- Blaine Davidson, a reserved and sensible woman with a fondness of collecting rarities.
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/3/2017	Listen, I don't mind being disagreed with, but I do take exception to having my motivation being assumed. Having extra consequence for playing a class that has to use both the notoriety-gaining options of resource-gathering for normal progression of play is something to be upset over. This isn't comparable to seeking, and the comparison is ignorant at best, and disingenuous at worst. &quotinformed of a risk well in advance&quot is not in the same zip code as &quotnew vulnerability added in the second week of play with no opt-out other than give up on what you’ve done so far.&quot As for the issue with this method of play: This is not choosing to avoid social play, it's taking issue with a decision to make your social interaction purely antagonistic and restrictive to others. We don't enjoy killing other people's good time, it's that simple. edited by ZackOak on 7/3/2017 -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Kylestien Posts: 749 7/4/2017	I don't like it either... but Failbetter have been very clear about how they are doing it for a test of their system. My advice is deal with it for a day and then inform Failbetter you did not like it at ALL. Alternativly, do not play only for that day. It is "Only" for 24 hours. I admit that prehaps my advice does not come off as helpful, and I really do not like it, but I can't in good faith tell FB to stop it if it's for their tests of the system. DX -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/6/2017	Personally, I found the Day of Agitation incredibly anticlimactic. It was nice to see what dealing with a mob was like though. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 7/6/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Personally, I found the Day of Agitation incredibly anticlimactic. Anticlimatic doesn't begin to describe it for me, especially after reading this thread and getting the impression it was going to be the coming of the antichrist or something. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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dov Posts: 2580 7/4/2017	Charlotte_de_Witte wrote: Just as an idea, but wouldn't the best bribe a Fixer could offer another player to switch sides be the ability to change candidate without (or with less) loss of career progression? Guessing that that's probably the largest reason most would not want to change over? Not at all sure how that might be able to work on a practical level though? That's an incredible idea, actually! This should come with some cost to the Fixer (in terms of actions, materials, etc.) to avoid abuse, but this would bring much flexibility to the system! -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/4/2017	Isaac Zienfried wrote: Sometimes I wonder how long it'll be until people say we should remove qualities checks for options because wasting actions on failures isn't fun... Dude, really? Look, there’s a level of reasonable disagreement with someone's stance on an issue and there's completely reducing it to snark. Not cool, man. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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An Individual Posts: 589 7/4/2017	I'm actually looking forward to the "Day of Agitation" as I'm a Fixer and haven't seen the mob mechanics yet. However, I'm also an end game player with a vast array of tools at my disposal, nearly maxed election profession, and not a heck of a lot to do in game except pray for favours from the opportunity deck so I'm likely in a slightly different position. Worst case scenario for me, I get mobbed, don't enjoy it, and don't do any more investigations or flash lays that day so I can't be mobbed again. I like that Failbetter are experimenting with the social aspects of the game. Not everything is going to click with everyone so they just have to try things and see how they're received. I look forward to finding out how this goes. It might be that it's fine for a day but would be frustrating if it applied to the whole election. -- An Individual's Profile The RNG giveth and the RNG taketh away. Goat Farming or Cider Brewing? This browser extension may help. Want a Cider sip? Please refer to this guide before requesting. Scholaring the Correspondence? A Brief Guide to Courier's Footprint. Contemplating Oblivion? First Steps on the Seeking Road. Gone NORTH? Opened the gate? Throw your character in a well.
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Kukapetal Posts: 1449 7/4/2017	Amsfield wrote: You are also locked out of investigations and flash lays. The only way to get rid of them is spending second chances, increasing menaces or i think maybe some resources. There annoying yeah, but manageable. I think the bigger issue is that some people find unwanted social interaction, especially hostile interaction, really stressful regardless of how damaging the interaction might be aside from that. does that make sense? The problem is that they aren't manageable if you get sent one after another. You're basically glued down, unable to proceed.
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ClearFavourite Posts: 50 7/4/2017	Zack Oak wrote: I'm pointing out the inherent flaw in giving agitators yet another advantage, and further making fixers suffer. If a fixer wants to advance, now they become twice as vulnerable, while campaigners circumvent the risk entirely through short stories. Why would anyone play a fixer at this rate? I'd kind of like the ability to have agitators protect allies with mobs as well as throwing them at enemies. Or at least have some way to deal with mobs attacking your friends. -- The Boisterous Bounty-Hunter
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Charlotte_de_Witte Posts: 360 7/4/2017	Sara Hysaro wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: I brought up SMEN because there's a social action in which you reach out to non-Seekers to make them one, with a ton of Nightmares on top of it. That's pretty rough, but you can always get out of Seeking and handle Nightmares in your own time. Spontaneously switching candidates via a Fixer-specific bribery option would be quite a bit different, especially if it comes with the same hit to your Career as the non-bribe switches. It would be a really big bribe. Essentially, it's the player deciding to cash out. There is a not insignificant minority who actively seek bribes, but find little success because its currently on the honor system. And sometimes scandals shake people's faith in their candidate and, if they're going to switch, they might as well get a payday. I dunno; it'd have to be very carefully balanced to avoid indiscriminate spamming while still not being such a huge factor that elections are won based on who has the most wealthy supporters willing to invest in this sort of thing. I get that there's a demand, but it's a tricky thing that really does need to be done right. Just as an idea, but wouldn't the best bribe a Fixer could offer another player to switch sides be the ability to change candidate without (or with less) loss of career progression? Guessing that that's probably the largest reason most would not want to change over? Not at all sure how that might be able to work on a practical level though? As for the Day of Agitation, I'm a little ambivalent myself (but probably only because I've hit my career cap). I can really understand why some people are so unhappy though. As a question to any Agitators about. Have you found it possible at all to hide successfully from mobs inside of Flash Lays themselves? (Leap into a new flash lay as soon as you've finished your last) Or is that just too tricky to time right to pull off?? -- "Do one thing for me, Sredni Vashtar." Social actions welcome. Only, send me dupes if you need help with the Affluent Photographer please, I like the bats! [And boxed kitties, and extreme gardening]- Thank-you! http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Charlotte%20de%20Witte
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/4/2017	The opportunity card you can get when a mob is set on you can be bad. But there is a storylet that lets you get rid of the mob - the quickest way is to use the options that increase your menaces but you can only do that if you have that menace to begin with. So if you get yourself mobbed equip the scandal increasing scarlet stockings and modish bonnet; take 5 actions to get rid of the mob; remove gear and you are left with 3 scandal. Hopefully any fixers around will be happy to help deal with that. -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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A Dimness Posts: 613 7/4/2017	Or, alternatively, you could challenge every goddamned agitator in London to mob you, and send angry and disresputable calling cards back. Naturally, it'd help to have a fixer or two at your beck and call. -- A truth so strange it can only be lied into existence
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Meradine Heidenreich Posts: 468 7/4/2017	Kylestien wrote: I don't like it either... but Failbetter have been very clear about how they are doing it for a test of their system. My advice is deal with it for a day and then inform Failbetter you did not like it at ALL. Alternatively, do not play only for that day. It is "Only" for 24 hours. Except it isn't; to avoid getting the quality that opens a player up to mobbing, you had to stop election activities (FL, investigating) from Monday for three days. This rather reminds me of FB using their members as guinea pigs. Didn't approve of that either. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Meradine%20Heidenreich The Starveling kit Gobbled up the bit of cheese on my tray .. "O Weh!" No plant battles, please.
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Israfel Posts: 36 7/6/2017	Cthonius wrote: So having finally been accosted, I can give an accurate opinion on this Day. It's annoying having to use that many actions to rid of the mob, especially since the opportunity card doesn't lower it any, but it's a mild inconvenience at best. If anything this seems like it was done today to give more importance and use for Fixers, who even this year still are looked as less advantageous. It's certainly not near as bad as lead to believe, though the 2nd Chances options are very underwhelming. I can easily see this staying on for future elections, with tinkering and perhaps a message about going to fixers for help included with the mob stuff. Personally, I somewhat disagree with it being a mild inconvenience in it's current incarnation. For the record, I did not have the opportunity card come up a single time despite being mobbed multiple times (I was actually hoping it WOULD come up so it would be less of a pain). My issue was that it locks you out of cases and flash lays while active. If you have a menace of at least three then you can get rid of it in 5 actions with resultant menace increase. If not, then you either have to actively try to get sufficient menaces or burn second chances at 10 reduction per turn, meaning you have to take 10 turns to clear the mob. That was my scenario the first time I was mobbed because I had 0 menaces. I then ensured I picked up 3 menaces so the next time I was mobbed I could get rid of it more efficiently. I was mobbed multiple times because I was hit with the notorious quality every time I got rid of a mob and did a new case or flash lay. So I maintained menaces at the 3-5 level, making sure that they did not drop below that. If I wanted to avoid this, my options are give up flash lays/cases or burn 5-10 additional turns for every cycle. Could I just write short stories and play cards? Sure. If this were to become permanent though, then I feel non-agitator players would probably get somewhat discouraged with trying to complete cases/flash lays for narrative/items. (I know it's not currently permanent, I'm just referring to if this stayed on in future elections). Again, to me the most frustrating thing about it is that it's a one-way street. I am a Fixer and I don't think this provided me with any additional use/importance. -- Two futures, endlessly circling. Adimarch - Yearning, Burning.
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probably_evil Posts: 17 7/6/2017	What I liked about this game was the decision whether or not to interact with other players, no matter what. Now a player I've never heard of has sucked up a pile of my actions, and is pushing me into having to deal with going over the nightmare cap. I'm seriously angry with this. I'm not even an acquaintance of this person, and I'm frankly mad at them AND the game. I've had the equivalent of ten fate wasted. Not okay at all. *Update* An additional ten actions and four bottles of laudanum. I'm so glad the game decided to let another player rip me out of actions and items for fun..And no, I'm not bothering to retaliate in-game, as that basically lets them waste MORE of my actions and items, so slow clap, nice, really nice, great addition to the game, really. /s I actually wish there were some way to explain to that person how weak this was. Did the developers say to themselves, "Hey, you know what part of the mass-world experience we're missing? Random jerks. Let's enable that!!" If I wanted to let some twerp randomly cannonball through my day, I'd go outside. I certainly wouldn't PAY for the experience. So this is me rethinking the exceptional friend payment for next month. edited by probably_evil on 7/6/2017 edited by probably_evil on 7/6/2017 edited by probably_evil on 7/6/2017
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Arcanuse Posts: 89 7/6/2017	Fun though sending out mobs en masse is, it's rather easy for me to go hide in a flashlay afterwards to avoid any payback mobs. Heck, I can hang around in flashlays until I have all my actions back, letting me zip out of the flashlay, throw more mobs, and pop back in. Shouldn't there be something other players can do to counter this? edited by Arcanuse on 7/6/2017 -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Arcanuse
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Amsfield Posts: 176 7/4/2017	Seeing as I'm apparently spamming this page, might as well throw in my 2 pence. I think some people on both sides on this debate are exaggerating a little. It's not like avoiding a few specified actions for 2-3 days actually locks a PSI out of seeing the lore. Even without echos there's still plenty of time to complete 3 flash lays and 3 investigations for end gamers,but can we also not pretend it is unreasonable not to want to be (literally) attacked randomly in a game not based on PVP? I'd guess FB added this to engage high level players who by this stage either have or have nearly completed all the applicable electioneering qualities, and so have little incentive to bother with it further. Straight opt in wouldn't really work because it seems like few people would be click the 'add reward-less inconvenience' button, but an in game opt out like 'assemble burly guards' costing 3 favors with constables or criminals, 2 strong backed labourers or 5 fate would be reasonable. Sorry if I offend anyone, or miscalculated the time it takes a POSI to complete a flash lay. -- Amsfield: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Amsfield A devotee of pleasures intellectual and fleshy. Always fabulously masked. Honoria Kastern: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Honoria%20Kastern A hunter, a shooter and a fisher. Also a patriotic busy body. Mildly corrupted. Maiser: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maiser A young firebrand of obviously criminal intent. Venshik: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Venshik Not a nice person. Asmeria: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Asmeria Quiet, thoughtful and possibly mad. Excellent listener though. Favours grey.
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/4/2017	Realism about money politics in a game where we have women voting in Victorian England and hanging out with squid people is silly. Why not let there be some more progressive approaches to democracy than that? It's a game, let it be fun. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 7/4/2017	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Kukapetal wrote: Dudebro Pyro wrote: Why would anyone go North? Why would anyone play the Wry Functionary story? Not to derail the topic but I don't remember the Wry Functionary story being particularly punishing or frustrating (even if he did thwart my attempts to get in his pants :P ) It does cost 15 Fate (IIRC), and brings absolutely no mechanical advantage. Sara Hysarowhile wrote: still not being such a huge factor that elections are won based on who has the most wealthy supporters willing to invest in this sort of thing Would that be a bad thing though? It's certainly a big factor in real-life elections, and in-game everything is so shady that having the election result end up being decided by who was richest would actually be extremely amusing and add a touch of authenticity in my opinion. You also get the usual caveats: not everyone can be bribed, some people will take advantage of bribes and carousel around between candidates milking all the bribers, etc. It'd definitely leave a negative impression on me if it were so imbalanced as to be a significant factor. I don't mind losing with the current mechanics because at least I can be 100% certain that the winning candidate was unambiguously the most popular choice. I still feel a little sad that I don't get to see the continuation of whichever narrative captivated me, but clearly the majority had another opinion on what would be interesting. Add unbalanced bribes into the mix to snatch victory away from the popular choice I happened to be supporting and I'd feel borderline cheated, especially if in my frustration I joined in the bribery and invested a bunch of resources only to still come up short. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Kukapetal Posts: 1449 7/3/2017	it wasn't last year. We could still play as our profession of choice and play all the content without being forced into social actions that we don't enjoy. That's why it feels forced on us. Suddenly we HAVE to do it in order to play the way we did last year, and being told, "well, if you don't do this and this and this, only do this and spend a lot of this, you can still totally play the election" isn't much consolation. edited by Kukapetal on 7/3/2017
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Kukapetal Posts: 1449 7/3/2017	But we can't have a solitary experience if the social stuff is forced on us
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 7/4/2017	Like pretty much everyone, the day of agitation just meant that I didn't do any of the election content. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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Kukapetal Posts: 1449 7/3/2017	I'm going out to zee for the day. One day of mobs piling on me was plenty :P
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/3/2017	"I would like to have a profession offered to be played be as enjoyable or at least equivalent to the other two provided" isn't uh. Isn't quite on the same level as choosing to play a storylet billed as destructive. What I want is for an option I chose to not be an extended exercise in being given slower advancement and more vulnerability than anyone else playing the content. That's not an unreasonable request or a desire to profit, and I resent your framing it like that. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/3/2017	Zack Oak wrote: I'm pointing out the inherent flaw in giving agitators yet another advantage, and further making fixers suffer. If a fixer wants to advance, now they become twice as vulnerable, while campaigners circumvent the risk entirely through short stories. Why would anyone play a fixer at this rate? I think Fixers should be given a bribery mechanic. I've been saying that for about a year now :P Being able to bribe other players to switch sides would give them something to do besides menace patrol. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 7/3/2017	That would just result in a lot of upset forum posts from people who mistakenly clicked Accept on the social action, either because they're tired or because they didn't understand what it meant. SMEN is one thing, but elections are time sensitive. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Johnny Felix Posts: 180 7/3/2017	I dislike mobs either, so that's why I didn't do any Flash Lays or Investigations today. As far as I understood, that keeps me safe from them. There's enough other things to do for me. -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Johnny%20Felix
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Professor Strix Posts: 616 7/7/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Personally, I found the Day of Agitation incredibly anticlimactic. It was nice to see what dealing with a mob was like though. My thoughts exactly. It took me hours to get mobbed in my main (my alt, while notorious, was left completely alone), and once I was, all it took me was 5 actions and the (relatively low) cost in suspicion was cleared at once by a friendly fixer. I get it that being mobbed repeatedly might be irritating, but, as just an experiment for one day, I thought it was at least different. -- The Inescapable Professor, London's Most Academic Detective. Open to consultation from Mondays to Fridays, above the Silver Binding bookshop, Veilgarden. Half the payment in advance, half after closing the case. No refunds. "THIS SATURDAY, in MAHOGANY HALL, delight your eyes with the DARING FEATS of the DAPPER ESCAPIST. Gape at his CHARM and WIT and his CLEVER TRICKS OF ILLUSIONISM. No mirrors used." --------- Social actions welcomed. Will take menaces if not currently grinding that one stat. Send them and cross your fingers. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Professor%20Strix My alt loiters suspiciously if you want to: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Derek%20Davis
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Teaspoon Posts: 866 7/7/2017	In my case, I already had all the campaign resources I needed without doing any more Flash Lays or Cases. And good grief, I wasn't going to go out of my way to do a Flash Lay on purpose to be mobbed... -- Truth lies at the bottom of a well. https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Alt%20Ern
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/7/2017	Haha, now I feel special. I actually got mobbed twice. ...I sure hope it wasn't anything personal. -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Israfel Posts: 36 7/5/2017	Amusingly enough, I had not involved myself in the election at all until today, as I did not think much of any of the candidates this go around. Since we hit a certain milestone however, I decided I had better get with the program and signed up with a campaign as a fixer. I completed my first case of the election, was slapped with the notorious quality and was mobbed shortly thereafter. Sufficed to say, I'm with you on this, Naraoia. Additional thoughts: For my own two cents, the thing about this event that bothers me is that it's a one-way victimization. Agitators can fight and retaliate among each other, but those of us that are targeted via the notorious quality simply have to take it unless we're willing to swap to agitator. If I had a means to strike back, I'd personally be fine with it because I have a competitive nature (I participated in the game of knife and candle). As it is, I basically have to take being harassed by other players if I want to gain progress through the means I wish to. Granted, because I'm an endgame player with considerable stockpiled resources, it's not much of a problem, but it still annoys me. Also, I'm questioning this whole "chance" thing. Every time I've done a case or flash lay after being mobbed I've immediately been hit with "notorious" again. I don't know if I just have abysmally bad luck or if the probability is high. edited by Israfel on 7/5/2017 -- Two futures, endlessly circling. Adimarch - Yearning, Burning.
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/3/2017	Not a bad idea - there are other areas where a mob can't touch you if you haven't got a ship. Menace areas, Flute Street (if you have opened it), as you say you are a paying player you could spend a bit of Fate and go shroom racing for a day. Or just take one mob and don't do any more Flash lays or investigations during the day of agitation (my plan at the moment if someone does target me as I don't really need any more campaign resources and am just playing them to see the new text and get a head start on next year) -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/3/2017	You could also kill yourself or go to the R.B. via the Mirrors at Miss Plenty's Carnival. That seems a tad extreme though...but then, some people really don't like crowds. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 7/4/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: I brought up SMEN because there's a social action in which you reach out to non-Seekers to make them one, with a ton of Nightmares on top of it. That's pretty rough, but you can always get out of Seeking and handle Nightmares in your own time. Spontaneously switching candidates via a Fixer-specific bribery option would be quite a bit different, especially if it comes with the same hit to your Career as the non-bribe switches. It would be a really big bribe. Essentially, it's the player deciding to cash out. There is a not insignificant minority who actively seek bribes, but find little success because its currently on the honor system. And sometimes scandals shake people's faith in their candidate and, if they're going to switch, they might as well get a payday. I dunno; it'd have to be very carefully balanced to avoid indiscriminate spamming while still not being such a huge factor that elections are won based on who has the most wealthy supporters willing to invest in this sort of thing. I get that there's a demand, but it's a tricky thing that really does need to be done right. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 7/3/2017	Ah, fair enough. There's always the option of just packing up and leaving for a day - with a single memory of light, and some focused sanity eroding, you can go to a pretty harmless place. If you have fate content (Flute Street, for instance), a ship, or other resources you have even more options. Still, I can definitely see why people would be unhappy (even though personally I love the atmosphere it adds - but even I would definitely prefer it to be limited to seasonal events, and would loathe such a mechanic in the core gameplay). edited by Dudebro Pyro on 7/3/2017 -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/4/2017	A big part of "election" influence isn't just how much you bribed people. It also represents your character's sway over the vast hordes of NPCs in London. So technically, one could say the "popular" candidate among players wasn't actually the popular vote if another candidate's supporters managed to win via influence. ...Though with the way influence works, the popular candidate among players is still likely to win. It's not that hard to max out influence in two weeks. -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Gonen Posts: 817 7/5/2017	Thank you both for the quick answer. Oh my... 10 actions for that? And it will be back after ANOTHER flash lay? That is baaaad action economy -- The Ashen Anesthesiologist - Paramount Londoner Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness. The long journey to eccentricity: On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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reaperOscuroCore Posts: 41 7/6/2017	Good day, Alas for all that lament or not this event, I remained utterly unmolested. What be the point of experiencing all this game has to offer if mobs will not have the decency to trample all over me? Must I be ignored so?? Rue you, you unruly mobs! Ignored, Arden -- Arden Terraward -a gentleperson on the search for...EVERYTHING. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Arden%20Terraward
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 7/6/2017	I didn't get mobbed either for some reason, despite being thoroughly active in-game and moderately active on the forums. When does the Day end? -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 7/4/2017	Yeah with the absolute abundance of Fixers menaces are almost a prized resource. Maybe less so now that many of them have maxed out their pre-debate influence, though. -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Charlotte_de_Witte Posts: 360 7/4/2017	As another very vague thought. But as the DoA is meant as an experiment for FBG into FL's social system, perhaps it would be useful for people to register their experience of the day, positive, negative or otherwise (if they feel inclined), here or in another thread? I expect a great deal can be drawn from the game itself on how mechanically successful the day is, but much less so towards individual player experience of those mechanics? Even though the forum by itself is unlikely to be representative, it might still be potentially useful for troubleshooting the new system? edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 7/4/2017 -- "Do one thing for me, Sredni Vashtar." Social actions welcome. Only, send me dupes if you need help with the Affluent Photographer please, I like the bats! [And boxed kitties, and extreme gardening]- Thank-you! http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Charlotte%20de%20Witte
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/4/2017	Estelle Knoht wrote: The "hypocritical / loud / seeking" supporters of your least favourite candidate this year could be your allies next year, and outside of Election you still have the rest of the year to spend with them. You're entirely right. Some of the people I'm working with this year are my enemies the rest of the time. Especially a certain thrall of the Fingerkings, my nemeses. -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/4/2017	I've only got one character playing as an Agitator. The trouble with going straight back into Flash Lays is the menaces - everything except wounds needs to be low and playing one can raise your menaces so that you can't just go straight back in. Apart from that you can only target someone who hasn't already got a mob after them so actually catching someone to target can be tricky as well. -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/4/2017	Sometimes I wonder how long it'll be until people say we should remove qualities checks for options because wasting actions on failures isn't fun... -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Kylestien Posts: 749 7/4/2017	Meradine Heidenreich wrote: Kylestien wrote: I don't like it either... but Failbetter have been very clear about how they are doing it for a test of their system. My advice is deal with it for a day and then inform Failbetter you did not like it at ALL. Alternatively, do not play only for that day. It is "Only" for 24 hours. Except it isn't; to avoid getting the quality that opens a player up to mobbing, you had to stop election activities (FL, investigating) from Monday for three days. This rather reminds me of FB using their members as guinea pigs. Didn't approve of that either. Except you only get it once. Keep doing the things, take one hit for the day (I'm sure most can deal with a small gain in wounds or whatever) then don't do anymore till the day is over. Yes, you take a hit, but that way you can still do the days and have minimal effect. Alternativly, (and I'm not certain how effective this would be) put "not interested in agitation" as your signiture for the day. I cannot garanteee annoyance from other non forum player but there's a chance it might limit agitation from people here. Or prehaps make a "Not interested in Agitation" thread and post it so people will hopefull you and others? (Or if someone is a jerk know who to target alas) edited by Kylestien on 7/4/2017 -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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Mr Sables Posts: 597 7/4/2017	Zack Oak wrote: I have found "if you don't like it, don't play it" to be the least helpful or reasonable response to critique I can think of. It doesn't show any desire to hear what problems people have, it's a shutdown of dialogue, and unhelpful in a very obnoxious way. Even as a solution, it's not really a solution . . . I mean not everyone checks the forums or even clicks the banners, and it's been established that the forum-goers are a smaller minority of the wider pool of players, and that's not to mention people on different time-zones, or accidental clicks, or just mixing up days, or any number of issues where a person might end up playing without meaning to and ending up on the receiving end of the "Day of Agitation" . . . unless there are in-game warnings to say flash lays and the like which cause "notoriety", I suspect a lot of angry emails from members the following day.
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Prospero Rune Posts: 68 7/4/2017	lady ciel wrote: Not a bad idea - there are other areas where a mob can't touch you if you haven't got a ship. Menace areas, Flute Street (if you have opened it), as you say you are a paying player you could spend a bit of Fate and go shroom racing for a day. Or just take one mob and don't do any more Flash lays or investigations during the day of agitation (my plan at the moment if someone does target me as I don't really need any more campaign resources and am just playing them to see the new text and get a head start on next year) If one suspends oneself in a Flash Lay for the day, would they keep the mobs at bay? My game time is very limited, and I've much to do with my candles. No time for fighting off mobs. -- Prospero Rune. Alice Tintin-An Extraordinary Mind. Claude Frollo-A Shattering Force. Drake Maijstral-An Invisible Eminence. Aardent Lore (Gone North). Surface business will draw us away from FL for an undetermined period of time. Forgive us if we cannot respond to social requests in a timely manner.
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Amsfield Posts: 176 7/4/2017	Carns wrote: Isn't it possible to opt-out with the "Set profile as private" option? Unless I misunderstood it or there's something wrong with it, it should prevent anyone from having you as a contact unless they already know your name or you add them. Didn't see this answered anywhere, and I thought the same. Aren't all social actions opt out-able via this? At least from random players? Combined with a 'please no unsolicited social actions' signature for those who use the forums, wouldn't you basically be avoiding all unwanted socialising? -- Amsfield: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Amsfield A devotee of pleasures intellectual and fleshy. Always fabulously masked. Honoria Kastern: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Honoria%20Kastern A hunter, a shooter and a fisher. Also a patriotic busy body. Mildly corrupted. Maiser: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Maiser A young firebrand of obviously criminal intent. Venshik: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Venshik Not a nice person. Asmeria: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Asmeria Quiet, thoughtful and possibly mad. Excellent listener though. Favours grey.
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/5/2017	It's only 5 if you can use menaces (that takes 20 away from the mob). So I recommend using a modish bonnet and scarlet stockings to get scandal 3 to use that option. -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Kylestien Posts: 749 7/5/2017	It has begun. Just to warn you all who do not like it. -- I will accept all actions, though I hold the right to refuse for my own reasons. However, if you explain WHY you send me a harmful action like Loitering or Dantes,And I feel the reason good, I will consider it more. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Kylestien Persuasive patron. You want a lesson, send me a message asking for one.
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/5/2017	I got mobbed - no problem. Didn't draw the op card and took the scandal option in the storylet to get rid of it. Getting MW for disposing of the mob was nice. edited by reveurciel on 7/5/2017 -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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annalibertas Posts: 161 7/5/2017	lady ciel wrote: The trouble with going straight back into Flash Lays is the menaces - everything except wounds needs to be low and playing one can raise your menaces so that you can't just go straight back in. Only posi can be targeted through notoriety and the suggested base stats for election flash lays is 25 - i frequently come out with lower menaces than i went in with so chaining flash lays is absolutely possible (though considering 'i hate flash lays why are they an election mechanic' is another discussion going on right now....) -- https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Anna%20Libertas Accepting all social actions & boxed cats https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Julliah%20Randolph Alt, will accept all social actions whenever I log on
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Gillsing Posts: 1203 7/5/2017	I believe it should start about 8 hours from now, and last for 24 hours. 12:00 British Summer Time to the same time tomorrow.
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Carns Posts: 30 7/4/2017	Isn't it possible to opt-out with the "Set profile as private" option? Unless I misunderstood it or there's something wrong with it, it should prevent anyone from having you as a contact unless they already know your name or you add them.
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Zack Oak Posts: 205 7/4/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Fixers are supposed to be all about Victorian corruption though. You know, putting in the fix. The problem with that being that playing a fixer simply means being an inefficient medic, not a corrupting influence. So the only real money/corruption going on is with campaigners or alt accounts. -- Roland Banning, The Ambitious Operative (Profile) Tumblr RP Account Ask me about the Delicious Friends RP group! Open for social actions (no cats or photographers, please. Currently taking a break from K&C.)
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/4/2017	Fixers are supposed to be all about Victorian corruption though. You know, putting in the fix. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/3/2017	Sara Hysaro wrote: I brought up SMEN because there's a social action in which you reach out to non-Seekers to make them one, with a ton of Nightmares on top of it. That's pretty rough, but you can always get out of Seeking and handle Nightmares in your own time. Spontaneously switching candidates via a Fixer-specific bribery option would be quite a bit different, especially if it comes with the same hit to your Career as the non-bribe switches. It would be a really big bribe. Essentially, it's the player deciding to cash out. There is a not insignificant minority who actively seek bribes, but find little success because its currently on the honor system. And sometimes scandals shake people's faith in their candidate and, if they're going to switch, they might as well get a payday. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/4/2017	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Sara Hysarowhile wrote: still not being such a huge factor that elections are won based on who has the most wealthy supporters willing to invest in this sort of thing Would that be a bad thing though? It's certainly a big factor in real-life elections, and in-game everything is so shady that having the election result end up being decided by who was richest would actually be extremely amusing and add a touch of authenticity in my opinion. You also get the usual caveats: not everyone can be bribed, some people will take advantage of bribes and carousel around between candidates milking all the bribers, etc. edited by Dudebro Pyro on 7/4/2017 The balance would also be provided in the fact that, as I said, it would be a really big bribe. It would be too resource intensive to spam. Also, maybe we could combine Agitator mechanics with the bribe mechanic - taking a bribe but failing to change sides would get you Notoriety, which would make you a target for angry mobs. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 7/3/2017	By the way you can get rid of a mob in 5 actions if you are willing to gain menaces. A modish bonnet and scarlet stockings take you to the 3 scandal for example and I'm sure any fixer who backs your candidate will be happy to remove that for you. -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/3/2017	Couldn't you just go to Mutton Island for the day? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Isaac Zienfried Posts: 364 7/3/2017	You sound a little more personally put-out than I think this warrants. I get that it can be frustrating, but try not to take it quite so hard. FB is still very much experimenting with new mechanics, as you said. Also, it's only a single day, a very isolated experiment to see how it's taken. It's also something unlikely to pop up except as a single day during the Elections, and so once a year. I doubt this indicates a lasting transition toward a more PvP incarnation of the game. Because you're right that if it did indicate such, that would be a turnoff for a good chunk of players. edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/3/2017 -- Isaac Zienfried, 'The Vacillating Belligerent.' A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals. But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Dudebro Pyro Posts: 755 7/3/2017	Didn't Knife and Candle allow practically random people to get stabbed? At least that's what I read, I joined several years too late to experience that myself. My point, provided that was indeed the case, is that this isn't some totally new direction FL will now be inexorably heading towards. Also, being able to randomly PvP players just sounds like a very bad idea in general. If the game does become more social - which I, personally, wouldn't mind at all, thought I understand and respect that you would - it would likely be far more optional than this (at least, I hope so, as I'm sure many - including me - would object to a situation where anyone can randomly inflict menaces or other annoyances on you at will). -- Dudebro Pyro, eccentric scholar Spare Starveling Kitties always welcome. I collect them. For that matter, send me your unwanted cat boxes too.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/3/2017	You can totally avoid it - you just need to be creative. The opt-out needs to be active rather than passive. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Kukapetal Posts: 1449 7/3/2017	Dudebro Pyro wrote: Why would anyone go North? Why would anyone play the Wry Functionary story? Not to derail the topic but I don't remember the Wry Functionary story being particularly punishing or frustrating (even if he did thwart my attempts to get in his pants :P )
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xKiv Posts: 846 7/7/2017	Maybe this late in the event, most of the most active agitators are already topped up on agitating influence, and so eligible targets aren't being mobbed with mobs so quickly and often as in the first few days? -- https://www.fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/xKiv - a witchful, percussive, dangermous and shadowry scholar of coexplodence, hopsidirean, and walker of fallen kitties.
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Kaijyuu Posts: 1047 7/7/2017	I think people were a bit more conscientious about mobbing people who didn't opt-in to the pvp aspect. I didn't get mobbed either, despite being spammed with menace clear offers. -- Be of good cheer. Our contacts have assured us that your sins are forgiven.
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