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GoingFTL
GoingFTL
Posts: 113

7/1/2017
So, Mr. Eaten has access to every well in the Neath. Simple enough to fathom. But, what would happen if we dug a very deep hole, from the surface, down to the roof of the Neath? Clay Men could be used. They probably won't stop working since they use Star-power to work, but we can assemble a tent, and loose rock could be carried out using a bucket and rope. When the Clay Men get to the roof of the Neath, they will most likely fall into the Untetzee below. Despose of the loose stone by pushing it into the hole and sell the bits that are valuable. Then, build a surrounding wall. Use the bucket to get salt water from the Unterzee. There, you've made a really deep well, inexpensivly and possibly even profitable. Now, back to Mr. Eaten. Would he get control of the entire Neath, because you've technically made it into a well? Or, would the sunlight combat his deathlessness, and the moment he tries to possess it, he goes poof, and all those poor people who are Unaccountably Peckish get that curse lifted from them? What are your ideas on what would happen?
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Teaspoon
Teaspoon
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7/1/2017
If you dig a very deep hole from the Surface, you get the Canal. Which the Masters already built.

Whatever the definition of "well" is, it's not that.

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GoingFTL
GoingFTL
Posts: 113

7/1/2017
The Canal spirals. And the Travertine Spiral is the other route to the surface people forget about. Still, neither are wells. This is built to be a well, and to function as a well.
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Optimatum
Optimatum
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7/1/2017
I don't think that would count as making the entire Neath into a well, just a narrow slice of the air and zee. Likewise I doubt there'd be any issues with sunlight since the hole would be too deep for it to reach the bottom.

Of course, we could just dig out a very very very wide hole to effectively remove the Neath's ceiling. Build some nice walls on the borders of the zee and you'd have an impractically large well taking up most of the Neath. The sunlight would be an issue though.

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Teaspoon
Teaspoon
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7/1/2017
Come to think of it, there is a hole over Aestival and that didn't do much except cause sunlight that burns people who get too close.

So, uh, if we do that to the whole Neath the immortality will leak out and what fun's that?

(I haven't heard anything to suggest that people will be immortal in the High Wilderness. I wonder how Sunless Skies will operate on that front.)
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Sir Joseph Marlen
Sir Joseph Marlen
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7/2/2017
Optimatum wrote:
I don't think that would count as making the entire Neath into a well, just a narrow slice of the air and zee. Likewise I doubt there'd be any issues with sunlight since the hole would be too deep for it to reach the bottom.

Of course, we could just dig out a very very very wide hole to effectively remove the Neath's ceiling. Build some nice walls on the borders of the zee and you'd have an impractically large well taking up most of the Neath. The sunlight would be an issue though.

In Aestival, like Teaspoon suggested, there's a hole in the roof caused by a Seal of the Red Science (aka a meteorite carrying Law-breaking magic). The light there is as dangerous as regular sunlight, but you can protect the island via a commandment of the Dawn Machine's law or a Parabox from a to-be dead Fingerking. Theoretically, you could gather enough of one of the two and many Seals to make a hole big enough to bust the roof open for a well. Though you'd probably need to flood the Neath with the Dawn's light or kill an army of Fingerkings with a city's worth of people to sacrifice to them, not to mention enough Red Science magic to kill a god. At that point, I think summoning an angry bat ghost into lawless darkness is the least of your worries.

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Isaac Zienfried
Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364

7/2/2017
I feel like this plot was featured in a story recently... busting open the Roof and all.

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Optimatum
Optimatum
Posts: 3539

7/2/2017
Teaspoon wrote:

(I haven't heard anything to suggest that people will be immortal in the High Wilderness. I wonder how Sunless Skies will operate on that front.

"The Empress Victoria reigns from her Throne of Hours, possessing authority over time itself. Her favourites are rewarded with freshly-minted months to prolong their lives, while those who displease her will find their stay in prison inconceivably long."

Looks like gameplay-wise there's immortality if you do the right things first, just like "be filthy rich to buy Cider" or "overthrow Nidah".

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Kindelwyrm
Kindelwyrm
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7/2/2017
Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:
In Aestival, like Teaspoon suggested, there's a hole in the roof caused by a Seal of the Red Science (aka a meteorite carrying Law-breaking magic). The light there is as dangerous as regular sunlight, but you can protect the island via a commandment of the Dawn Machine's law or a Parabox from a to-be dead Fingerking. Theoretically, you could gather enough of one of the two and many Seals to make a hole big enough to bust the roof open for a well. Though you'd probably need to flood the Neath with the Dawn's light or kill an army of Fingerkings with a city's worth of people to sacrifice to them, not to mention enough Red Science magic to kill a god. At that point, I think summoning an angry bat ghost into lawless darkness is the least of your worries.


Too bad there's never a possibility to do it - I'd be willing to give it a try! (:<
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Teaspoon
Teaspoon
Posts: 866

7/2/2017
...you could just move to the Surface if you crave that much sunlight.
It'd be cheaper. And easier.

With a hole that big I suspect the Judgements would notice, and then hell like the Devils couldn't imagine breaks loose. There's a big space-crab that isn't getting on with its messenger duties down here, for one thing.

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Kindelwyrm
Kindelwyrm
Posts: 21

7/2/2017
Teaspoon wrote:
...you could just move to the Surface if you crave that much sunlight.
It'd be cheaper. And easier.

With a hole that big I suspect the Judgements would notice, and then hell like the Devils couldn't imagine breaks loose. There's a big space-crab that isn't getting on with its messenger duties down here, for one thing.


Or the devils themselves. Or Storm. Or the Axiles. Pretty much everyone in the Neath would be in desperate trouble at that point - for varying reasons.

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Teaspoon
Teaspoon
Posts: 866

7/2/2017
Yes, was someone saying this was a bad idea?

This is a bad idea.

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GoingFTL
GoingFTL
Posts: 113

7/2/2017
Maybe I've figured out how the reckoning shall come to be. It's clearly stated- "All shall be well."
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Tystefy
Tystefy
Posts: 439

7/2/2017
You'd need a really long rope.

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A Dimness
A Dimness
Posts: 613

7/2/2017
GoingFTL wrote:
Maybe I've figured out how the reckoning shall come to be. It's clearly stated- "All shall be well."

That's... actually a valid interpretation. Oh god you've found the missing piece of the puzzel, you absolute madman!

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Optimatum
Optimatum
Posts: 3539

7/2/2017
That wouldn't really be all though, now would it? The line isn't "The Neath shall be well."

...clearly those black hole-esque Wells in SSkies will consume everything else.

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Isaac Zienfried
Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364

7/2/2017
GoingFTL wrote:
Maybe I've figured out how the reckoning shall come to be. It's clearly stated- "All shall be well."

This post needs more upvotes than it has.

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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
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7/2/2017
The Neath is a big cavern. If you dug a hole from the Surface to the cavern, you wouldn't get a long column through the earth that holds water, which is what a well is, no?

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Anchovies
Anchovies
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7/2/2017
Catherine Raymond wrote:
The Neath is a big cavern. If you dug a hole from the Surface to the cavern, you wouldn't get a long column through the earth that holds water, which is what a well is, no?
This is a good point. Wells usually aren't dug into known watery caves - they're extended downwards through solid ground until their floor is below the water table, at which point groundwater will begin seeping into the bottom of the shaft from the surrounding water-permeable earth.

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GoingFTL
GoingFTL
Posts: 113

7/2/2017
Anchovies wrote:
Catherine Raymond wrote:
The Neath is a big cavern. If you dug a hole from the Surface to the cavern, you wouldn't get a long column through the earth that holds water, which is what a well is, no?
This is a good point. Wells usually aren't dug into known watery caves - they're extended downwards through solid ground until their floor is below the water table, at which point groundwater will begin seeping into the bottom of the shaft from the surrounding water-permeable earth.


But wells can be dug into watery caves, can't they?
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