crazyroosterman
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for the record im option one I got invisible eminence recently and I've just had this feeling of end like there's no to push for nothing to fight for anymore the elections changed that.
I've got something to work towards now that I feel will have a real impact even if it is only temporary.
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Optimatum
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7/1/2017
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Next up: a poll to see if people think there are enough polls about the election.
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Isaac Zienfried
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...Do we really need to keep poking this?
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Isaac Zienfried
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...Jeez, now I feel like I'm picking on you. I-It's really not that, okay?!?
But yeah, at this point, I've seen more pushback against "debating" than actual debate, especially since it's all pouring in after we decided to quiet down. I guess it's just frustrating to see people express discontent with something that we've already stopped doing. Then again, if they go back and read old threads, it's just as current to them as if we were still doing it, so there's that. The format of forums in general leads to a disconnect in how time is perceived, much like zailing far from London...
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Isaac Zienfried
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I dunno if the problem is polls so much as... well, immediately after a "this election is stressful" thread gets locked, someone makes one implying the exact same thing. It feels like it's just inviting the same bickering, ironically by complaining about bickering.
Guys, this has been pretty much resolved. The quasi-roleplaying debates will be kept to certain threads, that's been established. All these threads are trying to address a problem that's been handled.
(Edited to be less crabby and snippy.)
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Isaac Zienfried
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Robin Alexander wrote:
Like someone else said, a thread seems to have been locked and a few people seem annoyed by it.
That someone else was actually me, heh. I've become somewhat vocal on the topic, and should probably just leave for a few days because now I'm getting genuinely annoyed by things.
The thread locking was a slightly different issue. It wasn't about the debates themselves, but people starting to throw personal, out-of-character accusations at people over their engagement in the debates. I'd name the specific example that really crossed the line, but it's best to let that die.
Problem is, it's exceedingly frustrating to encounter one thread of "hey this is getting out of hand," and then reply "okay you're probably right let's all tone it down"... and then encounter another thread a day later saying "this is too much," after it's stopped. To which you then reply "hey, uh, it's stopped," only for there to be another post stating "it really annoys me!" At this point, I'm tempted to just make a thread screaming about whether people would be satisfied with ritual freakin' suicide to sate them. It's, like, what do you want??? And it's obviously not "for it to stop," because that's happened already and people aren't satisfied.
EDIT: And you guys really need to care less about downvotes. If it's that easy to get on your nerves, that's not good. And I realize the hypocrisy of saying that right after venting about my own frayed nerves.
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babelfishwars
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7/3/2017
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A Wild Moderator Appears!
Hello delicious ones - I've created a new forum for the election. Please can election posts be kept to there. And please do keep to our customary levels of politeness (even at the expense of roleplaying: fun and manners first, please) - we have the best fans and the best forum of all the games and I'll fight anyone who suggests otherwise, but let's keep it that way. Primarily this is for having fun, and if people stop having fun, we'll be sad. Or grumpy. It's a toss of a coin with me, really...
Thanks!
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Isaac Zienfried
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I've been told some people enjoy it, and those who don't... don't play Agitator.
That being said, perhaps there should be as many warning labels for Agitator as there are for Seeking.
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Kaijyuu
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7/1/2017
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Indeed. You only get that if you're an agitator, and it seems there wasn't adequate warning for this.
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Kukapetal
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7/1/2017
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It's just a bad mechanic, it's not your fault or any other player's, Crazyroosterman 
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Kukapetal
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7/1/2017
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I've been partaking in the election for less than 24 hours and I already want out.
Whoever came up with that "Random A-hole #5649756C has sent you an angry mob! You must now spend resources you don't have or jack up your menaces to get rid of it before you can do a d*mn thing for your own candidate's campaign, and also you can't do anything in your campaign if you raised your menaces too high getting rid of the mob, and by the time you've lowered them enough to actually do any of the activities some jerk has already sent you ANOTHER angry mob and no, you can't just decide to ignore it and go do non-elecion stuff because the mob will still randomly pop up during your gameplay to throw tomatoes at you and increase your wounds" mechanic deserves to be shot into the sun.
Yeah, this is a lot of fun. Thanks whoever came up with that mechanic. The best festivals are the ones where I have to constantly spend money just to be able to freaking MOVE.
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Isaac Zienfried
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It's really not just you, so don't take it personally. I'm not trying to be insulting. It's just... a bit exasperating to see one thread devolve into people throwing out personal accusations over election behavior, and then see another crop up right after that's very similar.
...If anything, chalk it up to bad timing, I guess.
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Isaac Zienfried
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Robin Alexander wrote:
I want to see other threads or discussions, but instead I'm bombarded with hostility and people desperate to 'convert' me at every turn.
Isaac Zienfried wrote:
But yeah, at this point, I've seen more pushback against "debating" than actual debate, especially since it's all pouring in after we decided to quiet down. I guess it's just frustrating to see people express discontent with something that we've already stopped doing.
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Mr Sables
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
What debate? What conversions? I haven't seen any of that since people first raised an objection.
Well, it's all meant in good fun, I think, but . . .
The "conversions" come from unsolicited and lengthy messages about why I should "vote for x" and telling me what threads to go to (mostly in-game), or when I went onto certain threads and saw seemingly off-topic or brief statements like "this why you should vote for y", and so forth . . . I think it's been toned down a lot, and I can understand that people enjoy their role-playing and invest in the game, but it felt excessive.
I was on the forum a few days back, I think, and I would click 'unread topics' and see like what felt like five for x and four for y and five for z, and then threads for the election (both official and unofficial), and then role-playing threads for made-up potential mayors . . .
I've stayed out of the debate this year, but I heard from others it was intense.
Like someone else said, a thread seems to have been locked and a few people seem annoyed by it.
Edit: Downvoted in less than 59 seconds! THIS is also why I call it hostile; last year anyone on certain potential mayors sides would get downvoted, and that's stayed this year . . . complain or disagree about the election or x potential mayor -? Downvote. Ha, I'm seeing other people being downvoted as we speak and why -? Well, it's certainly not for hostile reasons, eh?
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Isaac Zienfried
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Robin Alexander wrote:
Well, there's something deliciously ironic here . . .
Quite ironic, yes. One case is pomaceous, and the other is citrus.
Robin Alexander wrote:
It's bizarre, but mirrors real-life in a very real way. If we look at real life political events, whether that be the US election or Brexit . . . you can see how it tore actual families apart and became very personal. I guess it's a testament to FBG's writing? They've crafted very real characters and a very real setting; they've let us become very involved or very hands off, like a real election, and like a real election the outcome affects 'London' and us by proxy if we're avid role-players. People get drawn in, which tends to getting very passionate.
That's the point.
As I've said in other threads, the entire appeal for some people is to vent argumentative impulses in a context where it's not real and ultimately should be considered a play, a game, an act. Not personal, like real-life stuff is.
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I'm not sure a way around it, because the only way to stop it is to say "no 'political' discourse", but then that goes against the spirit of the game and the sense of community, as the game revolves around role-playing and social actions and debate . . .
I figured the best way would be to have the "political" threads be for debate, but that still means there's debate, which offends some.
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I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'd suspect these arguments on whether certain issues are being repeated - or what behaviour's appropriate, or if someone's carrying on, etc. - are probably prolonging the negative aspects in themselves . . .
YUP. Exactly what I've been saying.
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I don't know. I'm rambling. I'll dip out of this thread now.
Y'know, that's a really good idea. I'll join ya.
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Isaac Zienfried
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crazyroosterman wrote:
I really don't want this thread to turn into page after page of complaining about gripers complaining about debating and start causing the same kind of problem themselves are.
Nope, you're absolutely right. I'm probably contributing to the exact thing I'm frustrated by. That's what happens when you let irritation influence your input.
EDIT: Okay so now dipping out.
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Optimatum
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@crazyroosterman: Perhaps we should leave the moderating to the mods? If someone is getting a little frustrated or off topic we can ask them to stop, and if a big problem forms, well that's what the report button is for after all.
(And no, you unfortunately can't edit polls.)
Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Problem is, it's exceedingly frustrating to encounter one thread of "hey this is getting out of hand," and then reply "okay you're probably right let's all tone it down"... and then encounter another thread a day later saying "this is too much," after it's stopped. To which you then reply "hey, uh, it's stopped," only for there to be another post stating "it really annoys me!" At this point, I'm tempted to just make a thread screaming about whether people would be satisfied with ritual freakin' suicide to sate them. It's, like, what do you want??? And it's obviously not "for it to stop," because that's happened already and people aren't satisfied.
I believe that the issue, as someone already stated, is that the forum format is by nature somewhat divorced from the passage of time. If debates gets out of hand yesterday and peter out today, that's only immediately obvious to users who regularly check every thread. Anyone who's a little less active and read the whole thing at once, or stopped reading before the conflict ended, is left with the impression that the conflict is still going. They want it to stop because it's not always clear when it has.
Besides, it's not realistic to say that all the heated debate has stopped. Individual posters or threads may have calmed down but the mood persists across a lot of the forum.
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JimmyTMalice
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7/2/2017
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I'm just here for the wacky roleplay shenanigans. Vote Squidley for a candidate who understands the plight of the common cephalopod!
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Jeremy Avalon
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7/4/2017
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As an extreme late-game player who's busy grinding Cider I'm definitely an anomaly, but, well, feedback is feedback? I guess?
It's fairly easy to ignore outlier forum posts, at any rate; they don't show up in the support system like bug reports.
Anyway, I did last year's Election, and I'm currently sitting at Agitator 16, Notability 9, and Influence 10, and here's my opinion:
I'm bored of the Election. I was ready for it to be over today rather than another week of skipping over half the "unread posts" because they were arguing over 1) the merits of the candidates, 2) the merits of the Election mechanics, 3) the relative merits of the candidates, or 4) some combination of the above. I also don't much care for an Abundant frequency card with no profitable option (Advance Your Career) constantly showing up in my deck, since I'm currently holding on to two Mood cards and the Gift from the Capering Relicker. At least during the Feast of the Rose I can reliably get an Echo or two per action, even if I'm done getting the Masquing I need that year. Again, I realize this is unusual behavior, and I do not expect the Election to be tuned with me in mind. That's not a good business plan.
Secondly, I don't really care about the outcome of the Election. Unlike my own person in local or national elections, my character will accrue no penalties from completely sitting the Election out, or from his candidate losing. This is probably for the best, since the forums are already overheating, but it also means that I'm just continuing my Fidgeting Writer grind as normal instead of participating in the festival.
Thirdly, I'm an Agitator. Unlike some posts I've seen I don't much mind getting mobbed, but it also feels too easy for me to game it. All I've had to do is make sure I get targeted by a Scandal mob and I can effectively remove myself from the valid target pool permanently, since there is apparently an incredible abundance of Fixers willing to clear my name. I got four unsolicited invitations with only Suspicion 3 *today alone*. Meanwhile I don't actually need to do Flash Lays to progress, because the Campaign Resources and Campaign cards show up often enough that I'll easily have level 20 by the end of the week. Meanwhile, if I cared to, I could continue throwing mobs with impunity at people who are actively trying to clear them. (I don't, partly because I've hit Influencing 10, partly because it's unsporting, and partly because it's unprofitable.)
Fourthly, despite contributing 35 votes, that doesn't *mean* anything to me. I don't know what the voting pool is like, and judging by last year's stats, the candidate with an early lead will stay there and people will simply dig in harder on their candidates. I suspect this is partly due to the incredible expense represented by changing candidates late in the festival; switching at level 20 represents you having thrown up to 250 Echoes, or more in action-equivalent if you don't use the opportunity cards, down a well.
Finally, Debates. I realize PVP in Fallen London is a very hard problem to crack, but three actions in the dark is essentially just rolling the dice, and stochastic games are both boring and unstrategic. "Reading" the opponent is meaningless since another human's actions are essentially random for purposes of strategic decision-making. (Look-ahead contests, ho!) And of course it can't be stat-based, since in FL that simply boils down to "I have done more grinding and/or paid more Fate than you, so I win". I don't have a good solution, but I also know that this form of PVP is also about as off-putting as Bronze League K&C ever was. (Moon League at least allowed you to have some information to make your decisions on, even if it was also ultimately a dice roll.)
Anyway. That's me saying "no, I'm not enjoying the Election, and I find it difficult to imagine it taking on a form where it is both recognizable as the intended festival design and also enjoyable to me, so maybe just ignore this feedback, because it won't help".
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Zack Oak
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Yeeaaahh, ngl, the debates are WAY too slow, and depend entirely on the schedule of another person. During a holiday week in the US too, most of us are out and doing things, too. I would radically overhaul this in the future, especially since this is on a time limit.
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Isaac Zienfried
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Optimatum wrote:
as someone already stated, is that the forum format is by nature somewhat divorced from the passage of time
Okay, this post doesn't count because I'm not continuing the argument, but:
Once again, "someone" was me. I keep having people quote me at me, and it's funny. Probably excellent proof that I'm 1) posting too much and 2) all over the place in my opinions.
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PVP = "player vs. player".
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Kukapetal
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well, Agitator was the profession that suited my character best and, while I knew there'd be changes with the new social mechanics, I didn't think they would render it practically unplayable.
I literally had a soul shepherd card at the ready to nuke my menaces as soon as I got rid of the last mob, and in between using it and trying to start a flash lay, I got hit by another stupid mob. ^%$^$%*!!!!!
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Isaac Zienfried
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Well, buddy up with a few active Fixers. There's a glut of them out there, after all. They can help with Menaces and they benefit from it, too.
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Kukapetal
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Well, buddy up with a few active Fixers. There's a glut of them out there, after all. They can help with Menaces and they benefit from it, too.
I got hit with a mob in the 30 seconds it took to get rid of the last one, nuke my menaces with a soul shepherd card, and click on the "start a flash lay" button. If that's too slow to render the position functional I don't see how how having other players gradually chip away at my menaces could possibly help me.
Don't worry Roosterman, I'm assuming that once you get stuck with a mob you can't get any more sent your way, so I'm just going to keep this most recent one, stop doing any election activities, and just deal with the occasional chucked vegetable until the election is over.
btw what does pvp mean?
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crazyroosterman
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okay so now that they have politely left id like to say that I think this poll is intresting.
you see the vast majority in terms of mechanics seem to be enjoying this election but the vast majority of voters are not enjoying the debating I feel this reinforces the strength of my suggestion further.
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breaking some silence just to point this out...
problem is that the election being too nasty is a meme, and people just say it because it's all over and they want to have their own voice heard. see a few threads with lots of upvotes and think 'i can get upvotes too if i juts say ppl are being mean and scary'.
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Kukapetal
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
EDIT: And you guys really need to care less about downvotes. If it's that easy to get on your nerves, that's not good. And I realize the hypocrisy of saying that right after venting about my own frayed nerves.
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people get irked by petty downvoting because it's basically used to get revenge on someone for saying something you disagree with, rather than simply pointing out if a post is nasty or rude or deliberately unhelpful.
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crazyroosterman
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so im not going to tut at isaac since he's griping about gripers (I had no longer post before but awful things happened and I have no enthusiasm to replicate it word for word)
also Ill try not to make this sound rude but thanks for dipping out.
you see as much as I sympathise with you despite not knowing exactly what your talking since I've seen none of this were I lurk (in the bazzar) and I really don't want this thread to turn into page after page of complaining about gripers complaining about debating and start causing the same kind of problem themselves are.
edit wait WHAT?! that post came through any way? how? just how?.............emmmm this is really embarrassing please don't yell at me 0_0
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Robin Alexander wrote:
I'm not sure if I'm derailing a discussion or not, but . . . I voted for "4", but more because there isn't an "indifferent" option.
Personally, I have no problem with the mechanics (which I enjoy) or the social aspect (which builds a sense of community), but I find the purpose of the election to be something that doesn't interest me and because there's no personal rewards I'm also less invested . . . I can do literally nothing and still get the same rewards as everyone else. I'm thus not invested.
That being said, I do respond to social actions and every now and then do odd lays or investigations or instigate social actions . . . it's nice to dip in and out of for a change of pace.
What I hate -?
The forums being rammed with debate, sometimes on unrelated threads, or my alt being spammed - before he went back to the Isle - with role-playing propaganda . . . I want to see other threads or discussions, but instead I'm bombarded with hostility and people desperate to 'convert' me at every turn. If I wanted that environment, I'd stay on Tumblr . . . THAT irks me a lot.
edited by Robin Alexander on 7/1/2017 well personally I can appreciate the passion and I feel it speaks for fail betters writing and worldbuilding in that there able to provoke said passion for imaginary politics.
since you were technically griping about debates in a non gripey way(if that makes any sense) then ill send you a single tut for policy's sake but I won't consistently tut at you.
also i didn't consider putting in i like this part but i don't like this part and i don't think i will unless a lot of people post saying like one part and dislike the other part.
mainly because id have to double the amount of option and i feel people might find it confusing.........................................................you know what? f it ill go do it right now it would just be lazy of me not to do so.
edit emm is it possible to edit a set of polls you've personally made? cause i cant seem to do it?
if its not then sorry about ill keep it in mind if lets say in the next election fail better does i decide to do enougher poll of this nature.
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Problem is, it's exceedingly frustrating to encounter one thread of "hey this is getting out of hand," and then reply "okay you're probably right let's all tone it down"... and then encounter another thread a day later saying "this is too much," after it's stopped. To which you then reply "hey, uh, it's stopped," only for there to be another post stating "it really annoys me!" At this point, I'm tempted to just make a thread screaming about whether people would be satisfied with ritual freakin' suicide to sate them. It's, like, what do you want??? And it's obviously not "for it to stop," because that's happened already and people aren't satisfied.
Well, there's something deliciously ironic here . . .
That's politics for ya.
I mean, I will admit I've been far from a saint on the forums, although I'm trying to turn myself around, and a few others are the same . . . most people just try to get by . . . a lot of others are huge contributors and peace-keepers . . . now all of those people - both good and bad - will very likely exhibit different tendencies during these election events (albeit I only have last year and this year to go upon).
It's bizarre, but mirrors real-life in a very real way. If we look at real life political events, whether that be the US election or Brexit . . . you can see how it tore actual families apart and became very personal. I guess it's a testament to FBG's writing? They've crafted very real characters and a very real setting; they've let us become very involved or very hands off, like a real election, and like a real election the outcome affects 'London' and us by proxy if we're avid role-players. People get drawn in, which tends to getting very passionate.
I'm not sure a way around it, because the only way to stop it is to say "no 'political' discourse", but then that goes against the spirit of the game and the sense of community, as the game revolves around role-playing and social actions and debate . . .
I'm not sure what the solution is, but I'd suspect these arguments on whether certain issues are being repeated - or what behaviour's appropriate, or if someone's carrying on, etc. - are probably prolonging the negative aspects in themselves . . . it might be best to just leave some topics so that stay on-topic, or report them to staff for them to make the decision, because it feels like we're sometimes adding to the fights by discussing said fights even on threads not about said fights . . .
I don't know. I'm rambling. I'll dip out of this thread now.
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Robin Alexander wrote:
Like someone else said, a thread seems to have been locked and a few people seem annoyed by it.
That someone else was actually me, heh. I've become somewhat vocal on the topic, and should probably just leave for a few days because now I'm getting genuinely annoyed by things.
The thread locking was a slightly different issue. It wasn't about the debates themselves, but people starting to throw personal, out-of-character accusations at people over their engagement in the debates. I'd name the specific example that really crossed the line, but it's best to let that die.
Problem is, it's exceedingly frustrating to encounter one thread of "hey this is getting out of hand," and then reply "okay you're probably right let's all tone it down"... and then encounter another thread a day later saying "this is too much," after it's stopped. To which you then reply "hey, uh, it's stopped," only for there to be another post stating "it really annoys me!" At this point, I'm tempted to just make a thread screaming about whether people would be satisfied with ritual freakin' suicide to sate them. It's, like, what do you want??? And it's obviously not "for it to stop," because that's happened already and people aren't satisfied.
EDIT: And you guys really need to care less about downvotes. If it's that easy to get on your nerves, that's not good. And I realize the hypocrisy of saying that right after venting about my own frayed nerves.
edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/1/2017 im not sure weather to start tutting at you since your technically griping about debates but your actually griping about people griping about debates and i don't really think i should since your being relevant to the thread....
wait did i just achieve the impossible and answer my own question?? i think i might have....
also im not debating about your griping about because i have literally no idea what your talking unless its in the salon? I've mostly stuck to the bazaar as i always tend to do?.
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A Dimness
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7/2/2017
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Crazyroosterman you're an interesting character
Edited by BFW doing her BFW thing
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crazyroosterman
Posts: 187
7/1/2017
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now.
could you politely make a separate thread for this debate? its all compelling and well thought out but as I've stated before I don't want this thread becoming nothing but page after page of it.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
7/3/2017
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Definitely for the best.
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Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364
7/3/2017
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Kaijyuu wrote:
If there ever is a rubbery candidate they're immediately getting my vote.
Good news, the DTC is pro-Rubbery, albeit not one herself.
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A gentleman of complicated loyalties, complicated morality, and complicated goals.
But really, it's hard to keep things simple down here!
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Zack Oak
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7/3/2017
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Real talk, no. The way the content rolls out is not intuitive at all, the clear disparity in profession options' effectiveness, and the genuine ugliness it's brought out in the forums are not fun. I'm getting invites for social actions I can't complete, there’s no balance for people with alt accounts, and I'm waiting for the whole thing to be over. Unless fixers get redesigned into something workable, it's reluctantly playing a campaigner for the rest of the years that follow, because being an agitator is just an exercise in stopping others from playing.
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Mr Sables
Posts: 597
7/1/2017
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I'm not sure if I'm derailing a discussion or not, but . . . I voted for "4", but more because there isn't an "indifferent" option.
Personally, I have no problem with the mechanics (which I enjoy) or the social aspect (which builds a sense of community), but I find the purpose of the election to be something that doesn't interest me and because there's no personal rewards I'm also less invested . . . I can do literally nothing and still get the same rewards as everyone else. I'm thus not invested.
That being said, I do respond to social actions and every now and then do odd lays or investigations or instigate social actions . . . it's nice to dip in and out of for a change of pace.
What I hate -?
The forums being rammed with debate, sometimes on unrelated threads, or my alt being spammed - before he went back to the Isle - with role-playing propaganda . . . I want to see other threads or discussions, but instead I'm bombarded with hostility and people desperate to 'convert' me at every turn. If I wanted that environment, I'd stay on Tumblr . . . THAT irks me a lot.
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crazyroosterman
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7/1/2017
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
I dunno if the problem is polls so much as... well, immediately after a "this election is stressful" thread gets locked, someone makes one implying the exact same thing. It feels like it's just inviting the same bickering, ironically by complaining about bickering.
Guys, this has been pretty much resolved. The quasi-roleplaying debates will be kept to certain threads, that's been established. All these threads are trying to address a problem that's been handled.
(Edited to be less crabby and snippy.)
edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/1/2017 I just wanted to see what number of people were enjoying this election like my self and how many weren't and for what reasons? I don't see what's wrong with that? ):
edit wait are you complaing about me or about other people complaining? it just occurred to me that I might be miss entepreting your post? sorry if that sounds dumb but my heads feeling a bit scatter-brained at the moment.
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Tystefy
Posts: 450
7/1/2017
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Lemme just slide myself in here before crazyroosterman can correct their post.
EDIT: It's been corrected, so this text is now obsolete.
edited by Tystefy on 7/1/2017
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Professor Strix
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7/4/2017
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I'll be honest here, I'm on it for the case-notes.
And occasionally being helpful to people by accepting social actions.
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"THIS SATURDAY, in MAHOGANY HALL, delight your eyes with the DARING FEATS of the DAPPER ESCAPIST. Gape at his CHARM and WIT and his CLEVER TRICKS OF ILLUSIONISM. No mirrors used."
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Social actions welcomed. Will take menaces if not currently grinding that one stat. Send them and cross your fingers.
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My alt loiters suspiciously if you want to:
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Derek%20Davis
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Kaijyuu
Posts: 1047
7/2/2017
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If there ever is a rubbery candidate they're immediately getting my vote.
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