naraoia
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6/27/2017
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I didn't want this. I didn't solicit it. Now I'm forced to sacrifice hard-won second chances, or accept huge amounts of menace, because some idiot found my name somehow. Somebody I've never spoken to, and definitely didn't provoke.
Is there any way to opt out? Or should I just give up on election content, and maybe the game?
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Anne Auclair
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6/27/2017
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A very noticeable warning label explaining the risks of being an Agitator might be the best solution.
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Slyblue
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6/27/2017
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Pretty much what Anne says. However, I don't think anyone is blaming you, OP, and perhaps we do need a bigger warning next time. After all, not many people know what K&C was, or even browse the forum for information.
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That's the interesting part, since it would encourage more co-ordination between sides, launching strikes on figurehead, patching up your own side's most notable players, etc.
I think it would be interesting too, but as things are, it'd be either really hard to balance, or it'd be a game played by the 10-20 people who keep up with the elections step-by-step. If you become a figurehead, have IRL take you away from the game, and return to find you've gone insane, jailed and died at the same time, many people would be...Erm, angry. Really angry.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
6/27/2017
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I think the system is best as is. Right now you can only be attacked if you agree to it. People who don't want that sort of game play can simply go around with a little tin collecting donations. Meanwhile, the people who want to get their knuckles bloody can beat the hell out of each other with zero guilt. And if someone chooses to become an Agitator without really understanding what they were getting into, or they just don't find it all that fun, they can always switch to a more peaceful career.
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phryne
Posts: 1351
6/28/2017
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Asteraecae wrote:
I kept getting mobbed by this one random person (All attempts at contact to not mob me frequently were ignored) and I couldn't mob them back even though they sent me like a mob every hour while I was trying to get other people to mob me, so I understand how it feels. I would report that user if I was you.
Let's be clear: one of my accounts is an Agitator and I love it. I get mobbed all the time. Like Barse said above, once you've fought off one mob, if you don't immediately disappear into the next Flash Lay, another mob's already after you. It's cool. I send mobs after other players constantly, myself. But I haven't mobbed anyone twice, let alone multiple times, and nobody's done that to me either.
If the same player keeps sending one mob after another for you, even after you told them to stop, that's harassment. Not cool.
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
6/28/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
This game does have a tradition of special opt-in play styles where you can be an absolute bast____d to other players - namely Knife & Candle and Seeking Mr Eaten's Name. Agitator's follow in this tradition and appeal to the sadist/masochists in all of us.
Agitators don't follow in this tradition whatsoever. Knife & Candle was an opt-in game mode divorced from the rest of the game, with explicit warnings and instructions, and was easy to quit without losing other things. SMEN is a special opt-in storyline unconnected to any other storylines, with explicit warnings, and is easy to quit without losing anything more.
The Agitator profession is one of three choices for a major part of a seasonal festival, lacks explicit warnings, and can't be quit without losing effort put into the election in general. Plus the mob mechanic is a brand new addition - and as a social action, it's not even the focus of the profession. It's just a way to be incidentally punished for previous socializing and not reading every bit of election-related text. Actually, I'm pretty sure there isn't even any mention of the mob mechanic without being an Agitator.
Johnny Felix wrote:
I just remembered: At your "Myself" tab, you can check the box "Set profile as private" (below your portrait). Then you shouldn't come up as a random suggestion for other players looking for new contacts. Maybe that alleviates your problem...
I don't think that would work - anyone who has your username could add you, anyone who already added you wouldn't lose your info, and using the forums would open you up to more people.
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hellaGumshoe
Posts: 76
6/27/2017
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I'd like to throw in, the agitating is pretty darn fun. I was almost going to suggest the menace cards should be more frequent, since I've been mobbed six-ish times and only drawn a Mob card once... I like choosing a random person and messing with them, and I like it being officially sanctioned so I don't have to worry about being an actual bad guy and randomly ratting/poisoning/etc people for no reason. And it's probably good that you can only agitate those that can counter-agitate you.
It definitely would be pretty annoying if you didn't know what you were getting into, though. I can totally see the frustration.
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Slyblue
Posts: 224
6/27/2017
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I wonder if I'm the idiot who mobbed you? Apologies if I was.
You can change your career at any time, and you won't lose your item. Just pick Campaigner or Fixer, and mobs won't bother you anymore.
EDIT: To clarify, the option is under the "The Mayoral Election 1895" storylet.
EDIT2: And if your Scandal or Suspicion ended up particularly high, you can ask a Fixer to, ah, fix that for you.
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A Dimness
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6/27/2017
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Seems Failbetter dropped the ball on Agitators, the menaces are almost impossible to deal with.
Personally I'd consider it a good idea to both lower the menaces an agitator can inflict, and to let agitators attack fixers and campaigners, too. This way, fixers and agitators have more to do and the mobbing is more spread out.
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Slyblue
Posts: 224
6/27/2017
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Glad to know it wasn't me. I -have- been mobbing people at random, but like people pointed out, I figured everyone knew what they were getting into.
Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
Seems Failbetter dropped the ball on Agitators, the menaces are almost impossible to deal with.
Personally I'd consider it a good idea to both lower the menaces an agitator can inflict, and to let agitators attack fixers and campaigners, too. This way, fixers and agitators have more to do and the mobbing is more spread out.
Thing is, Campaigners and Fixers can't fight back. They don't have the option to lead a counter-attack, or they don't want to--otherwise, they would've chosen to be Agitators.
EDIT: i kan grammar gud
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naraoia
Posts: 66
6/27/2017
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I became an agitator because it fit my character, RP-wise. Though I read something about mobs here, I had no idea that it could be done by some random person just pushing a button next to your name. I assumed I would have to provoke it. I'm still annoyed that I can't play the game I want to play it. Mobbing locks you out of campaigning, and by the time you escape the mob either you've used up a pile of second chances or your menaces are so high... you're locked out of campaigning until you find a way to reduce them. It's supremely annoying.
Yes, I get some people wanted this, and yes, I get that a lot of people enjoy it. But some don't. I'm a long time player, and I've enjoyed social actions in the past (though I never got into K&C for exactly this reason). One of the reasons I came to FL, and why I've stayed so long, is because the game doesn't allow random harassment, and works to be actively inclusive and friendly.
This is not friendly. I don't think it's my fault for not reading every scrap of information I could find online before I "opted in" by choosing one of three supposedly equal professions.
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Barse
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6/28/2017
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Re. Nikita Nopants: If your contacts are anything like me, they're spending every spare moment being mobbed, with another knocking on the door a few seconds after the last one was fended off.
(i.e., everyone on your list may already have been mobbed by someone else, which makes them ineligible until they get rid of the offenders. They also need to be supporting a different candidate to you and be in London. As far as I'm aware, that's it.)
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A Dimness
Posts: 613
6/27/2017
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Slyblue wrote:
Pretty much what Anne says. However, I don't think anyone is blaming you, OP, and perhaps we do need a bigger warning next time. After all, not many people even know what K&C was, or even browse the forum for information.
Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
That's the interesting part, since it would encourage more co-ordination between sides, launching strikes on figurehead, patching up your own side's most notable players, etc.
I think it would be interesting too, but as things are, it'd be either really hard to balance, or it'd be a game played by the 10-20 people who keep up with the elections step-by-step. If you become a figurehead, have IRL take you away from the game, and return to find you've gone insane, jailed and died at the same time, many people would be...Erm, angry. Really angry.
You're absolutely right, and it was only wishful thinking on my part.
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Johnny Felix
Posts: 180
6/28/2017
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I just remembered: At your "Myself" tab, you can check the box "Set profile as private" (below your portrait). Then you shouldn't come up as a random suggestion for other players looking for new contacts. Maybe that alleviates your problem...
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