Arcanuse
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7/10/2017
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I suppose she's bright and charming enough.
What would her campaign be about though?
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Isaac Zienfried
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7/10/2017
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Arcanuse wrote:
I suppose she's bright and charming enough.
What would her campaign be about though?
Bare feet. Bare feet for all the ladies of London.
...Y'know, maybe I should move this to the Pick-Up Lines thread.
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Estelle Knoht
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7/10/2017
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Naked ankles for all of London!
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Squarry
Posts: 11
7/10/2017
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By the way, wonderful flavor text from Isaac reminded me that I must finish grinding my Extraordinary Mind. Wish I could upvote that text....
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
7/10/2017
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So, about the well full of honey ...
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Squarry
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7/10/2017
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Probably should seal it, right?
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Arcanuse
Posts: 89
7/10/2017
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Could just keep dumping honey down the well, see what happens.
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Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364
7/10/2017
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I say we charge people to lower 'em down into the well in a bucket until the honey's up to their noses.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
7/10/2017
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St.Meliflua's Candle?
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Lady Sapho Byron
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7/10/2017
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
I say we charge people to lower 'em down into the well in a bucket until the honey's up to their noses.
Yes! But DTC supporters get in free.
It's like the song says: A well full of honey helps the bitter taste of defeat go down.
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Arcanuse
Posts: 89
7/10/2017
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We certainly could use the honey.
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Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364
7/10/2017
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...Actually, can we demand people wash up before taking a dip in the honey? You know, I've never understood how people expect to be good criminals while stinking to high heaven. Hard to be stealthy when everyone can catch a whiff of you across five city blocks.
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Hark DeGaul
Posts: 208
7/10/2017
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I suggest we make it a tourist attraction like the House of Chimes or the Bazaar.
"Come to London, the city with that pit full of honey!"
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
7/10/2017
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I'll clarify that I don't actually WANT FBG to implement a mechanic that "punishes" players for electing the "wrong" candidate. It was more a lament that, no matter how evil and harmful the writers went out of their way to make Feducci look, people still eagerly voted for him, and there will never be any consequences for that.
Everything about this guy suggests he'd be HORRIBLE for London, but because of mechanics that I agree are necessary, he's not going to actually BE horrible and will just sit there looking like a cool bad*ss on his opportunity card for a year.
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Isaac Zienfried
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7/10/2017
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Kuka, I feel you, I do, but... that's the name of the game. If you want a setting and game where players actually encounter real, genuine consequences for being crooked or criminal or sociopathic, by all means give me a call if you need any editing work done. Though I'd also say there should be payoffs for being sneaky, too... just balanced by risk. Being a do-gooder should be harder, but potentially more rewarding. I'll include an example entirely unrelated in FL in spoiler tags so as to not clutter things up.
[spoiler]My RPG group recently ran a Chronicles of Amber game, and in that setting, scheming and plotting are the norm. And most of our characters took to it, as well. My character wasn't a completely straight arrow, but he was certainly the closest thing we had to a paladin: former military, code of honor, cared about civilians, etc. My girlfriend's character, however, was even more pure. She had a genuine distaste for plotting or skullduggery, and was as genuine and sweet as she appeared. Often, my character resorted to things he wouldn't be caught doing openly just to ensure this wasn't used against her. One of his plots actually led to another player's character, who was at the time believed to be the most threatening frenemy (this was not the case), dying in a fight because he'd attempted to use a secret weapon my character gave him... that turned out to be a complete fake. But anyways, at the very end of it, events unfolded in a way that made us very glad my girlfriend's character was honest and genuinely befriended people, because her earning allies instead of plotting to use everyone is what saved the day.[/spoiler]
Anyways, I was gonna say something else, but typing that story out made me forget. It'll come to me.
EDIT: Oh yeah! About why that isn't a thing in FL. Y'see, FB has to make a game with broad appeal. They're a business, still. They can't go driving away people, and part of the appeal of FL for many is "yeah, play a guy who steals souls and sells them to devils, or sacrifices an entire theater of people to otherworldly dream-snakes who use people like puppets." It's not your thing, and it's not my thing, and we can spend all day judging or wondering why it appeals to others. At the end of the day, it just does, and FB isn't to be blamed for catering to that experience. After all, they're not stopping us from playing it our way... even if the elections are a rather sharp reminder our way is unusual and weird.
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A Dimness
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7/10/2017
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Fallen London usually makes the player pay for being actually a goody-goody, or it atleast denies you the better rewards when you choose to do the morally upright action.
I guess that in itself has a message, I'm just not sure what kind.
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Isaac Zienfried
Posts: 364
7/10/2017
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That having morals is for dumb nerds, you dumb nerd.
...Please, no one take that post seriously. At all. Mostly because it's coming from the guy who just typed a rant about how he prefers to roleplay characters who are at least Chaotic Good. I actually prefer Neutral Good or even Lawful, but hey... kinda hard to do that in FL. CG is the best I can do.
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Jillius
Posts: 36
7/10/2017
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Infinity Simulacrum wrote:
Akernis wrote:
Kukapetal wrote:
I feel like the election of a foreign spy, slavedriver [...snip...] ought to have worse consequences for London than just a different flavor of opportunity card.
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I would pay to see Failbetter give this election a consequence. More than a "good" London, I would like to see narrative coherence, and I can not see how a Spy/Slavetrader in that position could not lead to something.
So, just to make sure I have this right. You want Failbetter to deliberately screw over almost half of their entire playerbase for voting in the way that made them enjoy the game?
... somehow, just somehow, I don't think that would go over very well.
Narrative =/= gameplay. I believe Jillius wants stories in which Feducci screws over London or somesuch, but that the players would still be able to get rewards and progression from. What Infinty said. You don't have to screw over the players to screw over the city. And in my eyes the latter has to happen, if future elections are to have any significance.
For example, Feducci is/was a spy and a slave trader, so why not introduce a story where he paves the way for him to establish a slave trade from underground London? And people have to either decide on whether to support it and have some minor new characters disappear as they do so, or work against it, in an attempt to get those people back?
Tell me you wouldn't sneak on a ship to the Elder Continent to save the Barbed Wit and I'll call you a liar. Tell me you wouldn't steer that ship to get rid of the Artist's Model and I'd at least be suspicious of your taste in women.
We'd get something out of it, sure, but London will suffer that year, and depending on how "well" Feducci can run the show, maybe for years to come.
And I'd love to see that.
But, to show the other side of the issue, let's say we get a lawful good mayor next year and he/she/it makes her platform to help the rubberies and stop the unending murders (I need a 100 amber, ok?). Story could be learning about the squishies, working for better living conditions and learning more about their live and being - or burn save houses, enslaving stragglers, you know, the usual thing Londoners do in their free time.
Regardless of whether a good or an evil character wins the election, I think it should be felt in the city.
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gronostaj
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Jillius wrote:
For example, Feducci is/was a spy and a slave trader, so why not introduce a story where he paves the way for him to establish a slave trade from underground London?
i see Feducci went from a foreman for POWs on a hellish trireme into full-blown slave trader in less than a week ;P
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Jillius
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gronostaj wrote:
Jillius wrote:
For example, Feducci is/was a spy and a slave trader, so why not introduce a story where he paves the way for him to establish a slave trade from underground London?
i see Feducci went from a foreman for POWs on a hellish trireme into full-blown slave trader in less than a week ;P
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Because being the one who whips people to work like cattle until they would die from either exhaustion or the wounds in a world where they can't even get the release of death is so much better than being the one who kidnaps and sells people. *cough*12 Years A Slave*cough*
(Not a native, and I had to actually look up "slave-" words. A slave ring, I learned, is apparently only used for sex trafficking. The more you know.)
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