Feducci's campaign seems tailored to appeal to the aspirational middle class - who stand to profit most if government regulations are relaxed, and who hope to gain access to power and prestige that wealth alone cannot bring - and to those particularly optimistic souls among the working class for whom any increase in station is worth gambling for, however long the odds.

The Campaigner's platform seems to appeal most to the working poor and underclass who would directly benefit from her reforms, and those members of the middle and upper classes whose income does not come directly from those businesses likely to be affected and who can thus afford to be public-spirited.

The Detective's goals seem to have swept up both those who support expanded police powers in general, and those rationalists among the scientific and technical class who favour a large-scale top-down restructuring of society.

• The Implacable Detective desires a top-down reform. Appeals to logic (Logos)
• The Campaigner desires a bottoms-up reform. Appeals to ethics (Ethos)
• Feducci desires to shake things up (while acknowledging that those at the very top will stay there). Appeals to emotion (Pathos)

Feducci's supporters are primarily players who feel a fairly large degree of detachment with their characters or the actual setting, so they pick the option that's most likely to amuse them and stir up things. Either that, or their player characters are so powerful already that they'll only really be able to benefit from Feducci's victory.

As a DTC supporter, I'm just looking at it from a serious roleplaying perspective, trying to argue for what I'd personally want to happen if I was a citizen of London. I think that that's been fairly well proven by the degree of effort I'm putting into this whole campaign business, and the amount of scrutinizing I'm doing (see the google doc in my signature for proof, I've written everything but the name-list myself).

I think I'm getting too carried away at times, I absolutely love campaigning but I'm making it more of a hot-button issue than it is.

Three new items this year,
[spoiler]
you get the first for free and further for 30 fate.
Epicurean War-Helm: Hat, Feducci only, +8 Dangerous, +1 Dreaded;
Corinthian Belfry Hat: Hat, Detective only,, +8 Shadowy, +1 Bizarre;
Indignant Bearskin: Hat, DTC only, +8 Persuasive, +1 Respectable.


Last year:
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22610-new-festival-election.aspx#post151410
[/spoiler]

The Dauntless Temperance Campaigner intends to open more poorhouses and abolish cheap pleasures like honey and alcohol. Sinning Jenny spent the majority of her term building poorhouses and setting up programs for the disenfranchised. To vote for a candidate promising essentially the exact same thing rephrased is to admit either that Sinning Jenny either accomplished nothing or couldn't manage to do enough to tackle the issue, even with all the powers of the mayoral office. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in her ability to tack this issue, nor the urgency of tackling this issue.

And again, let us not forget our experiences of the past election cycle. The Dauntless Temperance Campaigner owes favors to the Revolutionaries. Anyone even vaguely familiar with organized crime can tell you that owing a disrepuatable bunch like that favors is tantamount to them owning you. By the end of the campaign the Jovial Contrarian's campaign was all but taken over by the Calendar Council, with February herself openly walking the halls as his "assistant". Is these really the people we want to hold the reigns of power for a whole year?

Don't vote for a candidate that will foster complacency among the poor, vote for the one that gives every man an honest chance to advance, should he have the spine to work for it!

Could anybody help me decide? I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. XD

I don't want to know about how worthy, noble or progressive candidates are, I want to learn interesting, quirky and funny things about them. I want to be entertained.

I can't put my finger on it, but Feducci's shady character and vague but over-the-top promises really remind me of someone...

Feducci: "When I win there will be so much winning, believe me, a really tremendous amount of winning. There will be so much winning that you will get so tired of winning and be like 'Feducci, can we win a little less?' I know how unfair the world is because I've cheated and schemed my whole life and because of that you can trust me to fix everything. I make the best gambles, believe me, and I'll make really good gambles for our city. So. Much. Winning."
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edited by Anne Auclair on 6/27/2017

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are faced a difficult dilemma in this election. All of us can agree, we must pick the candidate who can do the most good for London. But we must also pick the one who can bring about the changes that will last the LONGEST.

As sad as it is to admit, Our Fair City has fallen far from the greatness of old, and I don't just mean figuratively. Crime, poverty, and the moral degradation of society are all crucial issues to tackle. However, consider this: for all the power the Mayor of London holds, he/she will only be in office for a year. Should we not approach this dilemma in a sensible way, reforming our city will prove a Sisyphean task, one that can never be completed.

The Campaigner and the Detective both face uphill struggles, facing a myriad of organizations and institutions who will no doubt vehemently resist their efforts to bring about their reforms. And that does not even begin to factor in the power of the Masters, who both enjoy the honey trade and the corruption of government officials. How much will they be able to actually do for London, bogged down by a constant struggle against the considerable forces arrayed against them? Even if by miraculous chance they manage to enact their reforms near the end of the year, they will soon be gone anyway. And then it will be a simple matter for the powers that be to reverse these changes, loosen restrictions, and reinstate certain corrupt parties.

We must come to terms with a rather sad fact: neither the Campaigner nor the Detective's goals will do much of anything to improve the lives of the downtrodden in any meaningful capacity. It is sad but true. Their intentions are pure, but less honey in the dens and fewer judges on the benches will do little to impact the lives of the downtrodden everyman. If they had more time, perhaps we'd see some benefit in the long run, but time is sadly a luxury we sorely lack.

However, all is not lost. There is still a candidate with a real plan for change, who's daring strategy can make a meaningful change during the mere year of his term.

Where his opponents stand to face a lengthy legal battle, Feducci offers the people of London the chance to elevate themselves now. A chain that can be climbed by all! Where fortunes, wealth, and a better standard of living can be won by all people willing to seek them. By the time Feducci's term ends, who knows how many of London's corrupt elites will be in the gutter, how many good and decent people who never had the chance to prosper will have newfound fortune?

Citizens, I implore you to choose the candidate who's plan will touch the most lives! The plan that gives the people the fair chance they need right now! For a better London, for a Fair London, I implore you!

VOTE FEDUCCI!

Anne Auclair wrote:

My campaigner has developed a Blackwings Absinthe habit while campaigning for temperance

See? That's what temperance does to you! :P

Anne Auclair wrote:

phryne wrote:

Anne Auclair wrote:

My campaigner has developed a Blackwings Absinthe habit while campaigning for temperance

See? That's what temperance does to you! :P

It feels kinda awesome ^_^ Yay temperance!

Compleatly unrelated topic;

I've seen few if any Feducci supporters who seemed to actually believe that his idea of a society where you can literally gamble for your social status (as per the opportunity card snippet) would be in any way executable.

Having the same problem. Though I'm not sure why accepting must be done through another social action and not simply clicking to accept the help.

• There are more varied options than just Accept/Decline. Currently, there are usually 2 different ways to accept (with different results) and an option to decline.
• This gives the option (long requested by the community) of sending back a reply message, whether you accept the social action or decline it.

MartzelDePamplona wrote:

[I started with The Campaigner. Then in checking deeper into her campaign, I found that she had close ties to the Anarchists. Anyone who is willing to help with the Liberation of the Night gets a hard pass from me. We'll see what dirty secrets I can dig up on the other two and then I'll decide which one I'm going to give my vote to.

It isn't close ties to anarchists, it's anarchists squatting on old connections. I doubt she's the LoN candidate with her being the church candidate.

From the text in Hastings Square: "..several constables are attempting to find a good rhyme for the Implacable Detective."

In a lot of ways one might say that the Campaigner is fighting to expand Jenny's legacy of modest reform into something far more expansive.

Hell, we have three "bribe me" threads currently - so there are definitely players who want to be bribed :P

Ah, I see, and there's a better way to grind Fixer than doing Flash lays and Investigations this year? Or am I just misunderstanding? I mean, doing both is a bit time consuming but not that bothersome, but I'd still pick an easier, more efficient, way if there was on.

QUick question people, is there anyone here that during last years election's changed candidate? And, if so, did the interaction with the candidates in Sinning Jenny's farewell ball changed or not? Like, say, did the Bishop have any different liens if you started as a supporter of him then switched to the Contrarian/Jenny? Sorry for the random question, the thought just popped into my mind and I was wondering if Failbetter paid attention to that little detail, seeing as they had the former candidates remember if your character backed them or not.

Oh god, this backwards logic is making my eyes bleed. Retreat! Retreat!

Sister Lydia is there! She can talk! That is a nice touch. I wonder if other companions will make an appearance if I keep cycling the randomizer?

I am still mingling XD. Partly because I am waiting for good people here on forums to gather list of items that can be chosen. I don't wanna miss out on something like boots last year

I can't believe I'm supporting the campaigner, but there you have it

the explanatory text on her card absolutely won me over

[spoiler]The Dauntless Temperance Campaigner tears herself away from a brisk conversation with a member of Humble Order of Mudlarkers and Steeplejacks to answer your questions.

"I have dedicated my life to fighting exploitation. Yes, I've fought the honey-pushers, who addict dreamers, and the drink-dealers who poison mothers and fathers. But I'm here to fight the factory-owners, the landlords, the bankers who drive our citizens into such harmful escapes. We must help the addled and afflicted, provide houses of respite and healing. And tea. I am in favour of tea." She smiles and gives you a firm handshake, before marching away to menace a notoriously unscrupulous landlord.[/spoiler]

I'd take housing for the poor over speculative investment and more brutal policing any day

Go for Feducci. Either nothing really changes after he wins, or there will be definitely much more fun in the game )))
I'm open for giving/receiving donations and other activities.

Yours,
Ark G

. . . Current Goal:

I seem to be able to accept donation requests, but cannot use a Fixer's help.
edited by Sir Joseph Marlen on 6/26/2017

[I started with The Campaigner. Then in checking deeper into her campaign, I found that she had close ties to the Anarchists. Anyone who is willing to help with the Liberation of the Night gets a hard pass from me. We'll see what dirty secrets I can dig up on the other two and then I'll decide which one I'm going to give my vote to.

last year, the only skeleton to emerge from the Bishop's closet was the dubious attribution of some love poems.

I feel that she will be quickly overwhelmed by everything and start handing out bans left and right.

I thought I was somehow doing people a disservice to leave all those invites hanging, or worse, accept them only to lock the person into a perpetual limbo because the first-comer already reduced me to zero.

Until now, I've resisted offering my personal opinion on the candidates. Now that the election is entering its final week, I feel the time is right to share my views - speaking entirely in my unofficial capacity. I'm supporting the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner. I strongly believe that the institution of government should serve those least able to advance their own cause - those who are vulnerable, and who are preyed upon by the greedy and heartless - and this is what the Campaigner pledges to do. Feducci may be a charming old rogue, but his talents are best kept the field of sports, rather than politics. The Detective is a most respectable lady, for whom I have the greatest respect, but her plans for reform are better kept within the justice system, which they chiefly concern. The Campaigner's platform is the best suited for the office of Mayor, and is, further, the one which speaks most to the reason and the conscience of any public-spirited Londoner. Thank you for your attention, and I hope I shall see you all at the voting booth come election day!

I'm supporting the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner.

Prohibition infamously failed IRL, most players and I suspect more characters are drinkers and it's obvious to everyone but her that Mr Wines will squash that.

Banning cheap vices won't make the demand disappear, it will only drive it underground.

I'm sorry if this was answered here before (I just registered to ask this question), but what is the difference between my influence over the election and my election level? Do both count towards the points that I add to my favorite candidate?

I have several Suspicion removing offers and I can't accept any of them.. is it likely they all aren't in London right now? It's also strange that when you click accept on one name, you can change the drop-down list of names to people you didn't just click accept to.

I entered a debate. But then someone cancelled it apparently. And I was in a debate with someone else. I got to make ONE decision and that is it. I am unable to see what's going on or do anything debate-related (other than I suppose dropping out, but it is unclear that that's something I need to do because my partner has gone back to their Surface life or what.

Is anyone else purposefully keeping Suspicion and Scandal at zero overnight? Otherwise we wake up with a dozen invites from strangers and that distinctly British obligation to respond to them all, haha.

I've seen few if any Feducci supporters who seemed to actually believe that his idea of a society where you can literally gamble for your social status (as per the opportunity card snippet) would be in any way executable.

How are your winnings calculated?

If the Implacable Detective Wins…

I go to jail! And you go to jail! And you go to jail, yes, you too! Everyone goes to jail!

I don't care for Dauntless' goals and find her interference bothersome and tedious, and while I do greatly respect IDs intellect... let's just say the constables and I are not very often on the same side. While Feducci's agenda runs deeper I'm relatively confident I can handle whatever fresh hell he might unleash and chaos brings opportunity.

On a somewhat unrelated I love the art on the candidates.

Is it possible to change your career BEFORE selecting a candidate? If not, can it be done between choosing the candidate and picking their gift, at least? ^^°

Is anyone else having some difficulty choosing a career? It loops me back to the storylet page.

Question: does the 6 echo option for campaign donations benefit campaigners more than giving silks? I'd rather give silks, but if money's better I'll do that.

Sam Stephens wrote:

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm strongly considering the Campaigner for my candidate. She claims to be helping the poor, after all. Do I really need mushroom wines more than the poor need food?

On the other hand, I have some ties pulling me towards the Detective. I began as a detective myself, and we're fellow members of the Dilmun Club. How could I look her in the eye at meetings unless I lend her my vote?

Could anybody help me decide? I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. XD

The Detective is my sponsor at the Dilmun Club, and I respect her prowess. But the last thing this city needs is more police force and broader power.

The Campaigner is kind to animals and addicts, and that's what's important to me. Feducci claims to want to help the poor too, but his rhetoric sounds like he'll just remove the few protections workers have in London.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm strongly considering the Campaigner for my candidate. She claims to be helping the poor, after all. Do I really need mushroom wines more than the poor need food?

On the other hand, I have some ties pulling me towards the Detective. I began as a detective myself, and we're fellow members of the Dilmun Club. How could I look her in the eye at meetings unless I lend her my vote?

Could anybody help me decide? I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. XD

Right then. Hopefully the chaps at the College will be happy. I'll campaign for the DTC. Also, will the Bohemians who have no labels still benefit?

Kylestien wrote:

Anne Auclair wrote:

Kylestien wrote:

I feel it important to note here that that is exactly how the Contrarian started. Then they took over the entire thing. Granted with the DTC at the helm that will be harder, but nonetheless.

They didn't take over, they were always part of the Contrarian's campaign...because the Contrarian is a member of the Calendar Council :P

The Contrariant was thoughly against them taking over, which is rare for a man who goes back and forwards on everything.

Actually we don't know his opinion on the matter as he has never stated what he thought. He could have invited February to take the job for all we know.

Feducci is a spy for the Presbyterate who is also allied with Hell. He is receiving cash bribes from the Presbyterate and his campaign manager is a Devil. His platform calls for a culling of legal and class restrictions in order to let people rise and fall as ability and chance dictate (among the restrictions he wants to remove are liquor licenses).

I am very, very skeptical that Feducci has the best interests of London at heart or that his platform is wholly sincere. This is a man who challenges people to duels to the death while being pretty much immortal, has a history of leading those who follow him to destruction (his Hallowmas confession), and is, again, on the Presbyters payroll.
edited by Anne Auclair on 6/27/2017

Anne Auclair wrote:

Feducci is a spy for the Presbyterate who is also allied with Hell. He is receiving cash bribes from the Presbyterate and his campaign manager is a Devil. His platform calls for a culling of legal and class restrictions in order to let people rise and fall as ability and chance dictate (among the restrictions he wants to remove are liquor licenses).

I am very, very skeptical that Feducci has the best interests of London at heart or that his platform is wholly sincere. This is a man who challenges people to duels to the death while being pretty much immortal, has a history of leading those who follow him to destruction (his Hallowmas confession), and is, again, on the Presbyters payroll.
edited by Anne Auclair on 6/27/2017

Oh please, like the Campaigners revolutionary allies are any better. They wish for the collapse of all rules and law. And as for the duels to the death, last I checked his lances weren't tipped with Cantigaster venom and he doesn't chop up the body, so his opponents are free to return if they desire

Reinol von Lorica wrote:

Hmmm, all of them appeal to me. I don't know any of them other than a short encounter with the Detective. Need some help

You've probably met the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner before. She sometime brings you potato soup when you're wounded. She has the most progressive platform of the three candidates, declaring: "I have dedicated my life to fighting exploitation."

And promising:

• Increased tea drinking.

• A reduction in the supply of prisoners honey and intoxicating liquors through more stringent licensing and higher prices in order to combat widespread addiction and poverty.

• Improved conditions and greater rights for London's workers, debtors, and tenets.

• "Houses of respite and healing" to aid those stricken by poverty or addiction and to help them recover.

• Greater protection for London's assorted animals - presumably everyone from L.B.'s to Blemmigans.

• A crackdowns on spirifiers.

In a lot of ways one might say that the Campaigner is fighting to expand Jenny's legacy of modest reform into something far more expansive.
edited by Anne Auclair on 6/27/2017

I get it, though.

Feducci's supporters are primarily players who feel a fairly large degree of detachment with their characters or the actual setting, so they pick the option that's most likely to amuse them and stir up things. Either that, or their player characters are so powerful already that they'll only really be able to benefit from Feducci's victory.

As a DTC supporter, I'm just looking at it from a serious roleplaying perspective, trying to argue for what I'd personally want to happen if I was a citizen of London. I think that that's been fairly well proven by the degree of effort I'm putting into this whole campaign business, and the amount of scrutinizing I'm doing (see the google doc in my signature for proof, I've written everything but the name-list myself).

I think I'm getting too carried away at times, I absolutely love campaigning but I'm making it more of a hot-button issue than it is.

Anne Auclair wrote:

Kylestien wrote:

Anne Auclair wrote:

Kylestien wrote:

I feel it important to note here that that is exactly how the Contrarian started. Then they took over the entire thing. Granted with the DTC at the helm that will be harder, but nonetheless.

They didn't take over, they were always part of the Contrarian's campaign...because the Contrarian is a member of the Calendar Council :P

The Contrariant was thoughly against them taking over, which is rare for a man who goes back and forwards on everything.

Actually we don't know his opinion on the matter as he has never stated what he thought. He could have invited February to take the job for all we know.

...I'm pretty sure he hated it. There was text and everything. Anyone got the exact quote?

I have both "Advance your career" and "Advance your election career" cards in my deck right now. Is that normal? Neither have options yet, as I haven't re-chosen to be a Campaigner yet.

If they're so advanced, why did London win the last war?

As a DTC supporter, I'm just looking at it from a serious roleplaying perspective, trying to argue for what I'd personally want to happen if I was a citizen of London. I think that that's been fairly well proven by the degree of effort I'm putting into this whole campaign business, and the amount of scrutinizing I'm doing (see the google doc in my signature for proof, I've written everything but the name-list myself).

Fixers advancing their influence level is like a rube goldberg machine, man. I'm still figuring it out. If I can understand it correctly, it goes like this:
Step 1: Fixer finds a fellow supporter who has suspicion or menace. Sends them a request to reduce their menace.
Step 2: Recipient agrees or declines. Fixer gains a quality that allows them to proceed to step 3
Step 3: Fixer begins a storylet to get 7 "correcting a suspicious record" or "Correcting a scandalous record."
Step 4: Fixer turns their "correcting" quality into "a reputation for fixing things"
Step 5: If a Fixer's "a reputation for fixing things" quality is twice their influence, they may increase their influence. Otherwise, repeat steps 2-4 until it is.
It's ludicrously complicated and a complete action sink. I gave up and went to campaigner, where I only need three steps of action and helpful friends for the process.

• The Fixer can send multiple help offers. The first recipient who accepts give the Fixer a quality (Fixing Scandals/Suspicions), which prevents others from accepting their own pending requests from that Fixer.
• To increase Influence you don't need Reputation to be twice Influence. I'm not 100% sure yet on the formula, but I think it grows with your Notability. It increased by 1 for me every step, and when I increased Notability it increased to.
• I *think* that the formula is that you need to have Repuation be Influence + 1 + (Notability over 5)..
• I'll confirm this when I next draw the Amanuensis card and remove all my Notability.