I just had a queer thought. I wonder if the "Dauntless" in the DTL is actually her name, rather than merely just an adjective. As in, the temperance campaigner from the Dauntless family?

It's just there's a chap I know at the Young Stags called Chuffy McAvoy-Dauntless. I wonder if they're related?

shylarah wrote:

I agreed with Anne's recommendation of the Campaigner -- but on the idea that she'd favor rights for Clay Men, Rubberies, Rattus Faber, and so forth! This does not say anything about any of that! *shakes fist* WHERE'S MY EMANCIPATION CAMPAIGN, MISSY?!

But why expect a campaign of emancipation? This is about Temperance - about abstaining from alcohol (and probably Prisoner's Honey by association).

Well, if she pushes the whole temperance business as far as actually proposing prohibition, certain parties will definitely benefit.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if the Cheery Man or the Gracious Widow are lurking behind this particular curtain.

I agreed with Anne's recommendation of the Campaigner -- but on the idea that she'd favor rights for Clay Men, Rubberies, Rattus Faber, and so forth! This does not say anything about any of that! *shakes fist* WHERE'S MY EMANCIPATION CAMPAIGN, MISSY?!

I think one of the hallowmas options talked about how she blamed Mr Wines for a death. So I always thought she was a revolutionary trying to weaken Wines' economic base.

I agree wholeheartedly! If Sinning Jenny can't run for re-election, why not the Illuminated Gentleman?

Plynkes wrote:

I just had a queer thought. I wonder if the "Dauntless" in the DTL is actually her name, rather than merely just an adjective. As in, the temperance campaigner from the Dauntless family?

It's just there's a chap I know at the Young Stags called Chuffy McAvoy-Dauntless. I wonder if they're related?

oh my god

Teaspoon wrote:

Obviously what we need to do is reform the *system*.

But that's a little too much like ordinary politics, and Fallen London is enthusiastically unfair and deranged anyway.

Blame Pages, he's the one who designed it.

Chris Gardiner wrote:

Plynkes wrote:

I just had a queer thought. I wonder if the "Dauntless" in the DTL is actually her name, rather than merely just an adjective. As in, the temperance campaigner from the Dauntless family?

It's just there's a chap I know at the Young Stags called Chuffy McAvoy-Dauntless. I wonder if they're related?

oh my god

That would make a lot of sense, just as the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner is an exceptional campaigner, so Chuffy is an exceptional Young Stag - a Dauntless Young Stag, if you will. Remember during the Century Exhibitions when the Wind of Ages was blowing amok and the Young Stags wanted to have some fun but were too scared? Well, one cried out: "If only Chuffy was here!"

Point is, if there is a Dauntless Family, they're probably really into "Go big or go home."

Lady Sapho Byron wrote:

Blast. I will not vote for the DTC. And Feducci? Master of the Black Ribbon? I have nothing against a good thumping, but somebody who 'claims that only a duel to the [true] death can make him feel alive' shouldn't be given political power. I do hope the third candidate is more palatable to the Scandalously inclined.

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I agree wholeheartedly! If Sinning Jenny can't run for re-election, why not the Illuminated Gentleman? He *does* have foreign policy experience, after all. My Bohemian would jump at the chance to volunteer for that campaign - she usually has to pay for his company, and his rates are not cheap.

Blast. I will not vote for the DTC. And Feducci? Master of the Black Ribbon? I have nothing against a good thumping, but somebody who 'claims that only a duel to the [true] death can make him feel alive' shouldn't be given political power. I do hope the third candidate is more palatable to the Scandalously inclined.

edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 6/21/2017

Well, I guess there's no doubt as to who I'm supporting.

And omigawd, her portrait is so adorable! ^^

She's already specified how she means Temperance. "Teatime for London". Though that raises other issues, as you describe. She may very well be against prisoner's honey too--we'll find out!

I'm surprised to find that she might have already brought me several "hearty potato-soups for the convalescent", and paid me several times for my poems, but I didn't even remember her name... Sorry

A Dauntless Temperance Campaigner is cooing at your Live Specimen

She was here to protest against the shadow-puppet production of The Honey Harvest, but passes her placard to one of her supporters. "How much for the beastie?"

Room in her heart

"I never did like to see anything locked up." She searches her purse for payment, as two of her burlier supporters heft the cage. The thing inside is remarkably still. The Dauntless Temperance Campaigner hands over the fee, and pats the cage. "Come now, dearie. Let's get you out of here."

suinicide wrote:

Anne Auclair wrote:

suinicide wrote:

My understanding was that the implacable detective was more of a private eye, who was constantly hired by the constables because she's that good. Explains the business cards at least.

Players can become 'Closest to the Constables' and gain high renown with them without being formal members of London's police services. The same rules no doubt apply to the Detective.

I'm not saying she isn't close to them, I'm saying she isn't one of them. That means for all we know she has played little to no part in their crimes, only being guilty of not investigating them. And she has not taken an oath not to turn in the worse parts of the constables. Stuff like that.

When players become Closest to the Constables they are bound by the rule of silence as effectively as those who are part of the formal police force.

Awwww, thank you ^_^

Let me know if any of my efforts move you in the future to reconsider your candidate. If they do, we'll have a tea cosy with your name on it waiting by the fire

Kukapetal wrote:

Haha, didn't Chuffy have a stuffy aunt he was arguing with in a teahouse when you first met him?

Maybe that's her :P

Can someone get an echo?

Can I chuck coins in there and make a wish?

Politicking aside, Miss Auclair (and, in fact, any other DTC supporters) why are you so staunchly opposed to The ID?

WinterIV wrote:

Sigh, you come over here. No you come over here. This is how nothing changes.

Under the current rules and voting system there can only be one winner, not two.

I'm supporting the Campaigner and I'm not changing. We have the superior platform, we have the broader base of support, and we have Jenny's endorsement. So, if defeating Feducci is what you most want to do, I suggest you switch over to us.

Would any of you consider switching sides, as a coalition government to prevent the truly horrendous candidate from getting in?

Trilby wrote:

I am afraid I can no longer give the campaigner my support, not until she finds another honey solution.
I will -under No circumstances- be supporting someone who plans to make the Neath's first Well filled entirely with Prisoners Honey.
Shame.

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edited by Agent 'Trilby' on 7/1/2017

It's probably not even a literal well but just a metaphor for a dump.

Anne Auclair wrote:

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It's a misconception that Temperance means Prohibition or that Temperance inevitably leads to Prohibition.

Noted, but historically the Temperance Movement did indeed lead directly to prohibition, in the USA at least.

A cavalry officer

That's the uniform of the 23rd Neathy Rifles. Though he's long since sold his brass buttons – for the cheapest gin, by the smell.

Well... Nobody likes temperance, right? We all know how that turned out. But at least she's not a spooky immortal-ish spy for evil turtle people.

I'm not saying the Presbyrate's ruled by turtles, by the way. Just... living for a few hundred years, I mean, look what happens to people after only 100! Just saying, there's probably a reason Candidate #1 rocks the tomb-colonist look.
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Temperance how? Surely she can't mean giving up alcohol, because it's the only thing down here that's safe to drink. Mr Wines doesn't bother dealing in water, and if the wells which can be found in-game are any indication, the Neath's groundwater is rather less than free of contamination. I don't know what it's like to drink the moon and/or Mr Eaten, and I want to keep it that way. What are we supposed to do, collect stalactite drippings and die of glim-cancer? Down here, fermented and slightly poisonous is about as safe as beverages can get. Yes, there's tea and coffee, but boiling requires heat, and heat requires fuel. Hauling around a stove to ensure you don't get horrid subterranean worms in your tea would be a terrible inconvenience, and more demand for fuel is more power to Hell and Mr Fires. Prisoner's honey is a much better target for temperance campaigners than wine. Sunlight as well, but that stuff's already quite prohibited.

The plot twist halfway through the election will be that she once sat amongst the ranks of the bohemians or maybe even Mr. Veils's girls, I'm calling it right now.

Joking aside, I'm glad to see the Campaigner's return to relevance and a fresh art piece to boot! However, I'm not sure I'm comfortable voting for the antithesis of Jenny's ideals. If there's something I dislike more than a morally ambiguous immortal working for distant eldritch forces, it's pressuring temperance and enforcing black/white morality. Still, I can't wait to see the full extent of her campaign.
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I'm actually considering voting for this old bird. If she becomes Mayor and prohibits alcohol, I'll make a heap of coin out of smuggling spirits for thirsty dockers and the like.

Actually I don't know who she is... Since I only started playing FL earlier this year OTZ

It's a misconception that Temperance means Prohibition or that Temperance inevitably leads to Prohibition. As defined, Temperance can mean:

1. moderation or self-restraint in action, statement, etc.; self-control.

2. habitual moderation in the indulgence of a natural appetite or passion, especially in the use of alcoholic liquors.

3. total abstinence from alcoholic liquors.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Temperance Campaigner personally aspires to number 3 (including honey), but any realistic program would aim for promoting moderate behavior among London's people and curbing harmful excess.

I think one of the hallowmas options talked about how she blamed Mr Wines for a death. So I always thought she was a revolutionary trying to weaken Wines' economic base.

To be fair, the Special Constables are the ones who mainly serve the Masters and their games. The normal Constables serve the law (as in London and her laws) and regularly come into conflict with the Special Constables over their service.

Sir Joseph Marlen wrote:

To be fair, the Special Constables are the ones who mainly serve the Masters and their games. The normal Constables serve the law (as in London and her laws) and regularly come into conflict with the Special Constables over their service.

True ... but I've always understood the non-special Constables to be agents of the Masters at least as much as they are agents of London. For example:

Connected: Constables: Acquaintance with the burly, serious gentlemen who uphold the law of the Bazaar.

Court and Cell: the Constables: The Constables protect the rich, the powerful, and the Masters. But sometimes, too, they protect the wretched poor.

The Contrarian is an actual Revolutionary who was supported by black banner waving Revolutionaries from the start.

Well, the DTC is losing. Feducci, most alarmingly considering he's both an agent of the Presbyterate and a cheerfully murderous immortal, is leading.

The DTC and the Implacable Detective share many of the same goals. The detective has a different way to go about making a "a city that works", as she calls it, but there's no doubt her campaign will make lives better for the common citizen. Has already done so, in fact. Feducci, by contrast, is everything the DTC's campaign wishes to stand against.

Would any of you consider switching sides, as a coalition government to prevent the truly horrendous candidate from getting in?

And seeing her relative's shameful behavior has convinced her that the city needs a better example of how to be civilised.

The first time I prepared Japanese sencha.

George: I'd like a pot of tea, please.

Hotel Waiter: Earl Gray or Lapsang Souchong?

George: No. Tea.

• Hattington wrote:
  

  SeveredJoke wrote:
  

  I am torn. On one hand I abhor such prescriptive joyless curtailment of life's bounties but I do like tea.

Well, that's where you and I differ. You know, apart from the whole corrupt hypocrite starkiller associate thing, deep down?

I just really, really hate tea.

It's so bitter and unfulfilling, like a halfhearted promise.

Chuffy is indeed Chuffy McAvoy-Dauntless. London Society isn't that large a scene and the DTC does come from a privileged family. I'd say the odds are they are indeed related. But they could be anything from Aunt and Nephew to distant cousins for all we know.

It would be interesting though if Chuffy made an appearance in one of the coming week's campaign events.

By the end of the campaign the Jovial Contrarian's campaign was all but taken over by the Calendar Council, with February herself openly walking the halls as his "assistant". Is these really the people we want to hold the reigns of power for a whole year?

Isaac Zienfried wrote:

That's why if we're going to have a coalition, it can't be unofficial, because an unofficial one will just result in bickering over which candidate is absorbed into the other.

I honestly don't understand why the stronger party should dissolve into the weaker party, reducing their chances, based solely on the promise of a totally awesome letter campaign that's surely given a 10 point spike in the polls that's made the poll post obsolete and incorrect and made her "slim" chance into a certainty overnight. Calling it "bickering" implies there's actually a rational argument for the other proposal.

The detective has more people and actions to show she will follow through on her promises.

Just wait till people to spot that by voting DTC they could well be voting for Jeremy as mayoral assistant.... :-)

Sigh, you come over here. No you come over here. This is how nothing changes.

This is why first-past-the-post is a terrible system. If we were allowed to rank our candidates, it would be easy to say your first pick lost, your vote goes to your second pick. But instead, even if the majority of people dislike a candidate, that candidate wins because the majority's vote is split between other candidates. Single-transferrable-vote FTW. Unfortunately, that probably wouldn't work in this game.

Obviously what we need to do is reform the *system*.

But that's a little too much like ordinary politics, and Fallen London is enthusiastically unfair and deranged anyway.