How is Feducci even eligible for election when he's not even a London citizen? I demand to see his birth certificate!

Hang on a sec. So, a big argument against Feducci is that he's a Presbyterate spy, right? Why is that bad, again? Do we even know if the Presbyterate is good or bad?

Where does everybody go to pick up on all this secret lore? I don't know he is anything at all, other than some bloke I duelled with ages ago. If this chap wants my vote I'd like to know what his dirty secret is, first. If you can't tell me in an open thread, I'd appreciate a few pointers to help me go and find out for myself.

I'm just not sure I want someone under influences of that certain foreign power in position of mayor.

Vote for real change! Vote for freedom! Vote for Fair Play! Vote for Feducci!

There you have it, an open admission that the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner actually challenges the Powers That Be in London...while Feducci does not. So much for Feducci being bold and daring.

Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective

Over in the Presbyterate they set a hard limit of (I believe) 1000 years before you must die. Attempting to live beyond your allotted years results in your children being restricted to less than 100 years. Not sure if it's just children or all of your descendants, but either way it's not a good idea.

(sidenote, because I'm curious: If the soldiers have not been released, then how is the Regretful Soldier walking around London? has he escaped, or has the ransom been paid for him?)

I have to say, Sinning Jenny's Italian is impeccable.

Supporters of Sinning Jenny who are backing Feducci, I know you are hesitant about joining the Campaigner. Tea has never been Sinning Jenny's first choice of drink either, her whole term she's always preferred a glass of Greyfields 1882 or Morwelways.If the Mayor has taken to drinking tea in Hasting Square, it is because she is trying to warn you that Feducci is no good. He might be offering you an impressive looking bottle, but inside, instead of wine, you'll find pure vinegar mixed with abominable salts. The false tomb-colonist is thoroughly unfit for office and opposed to Jenny's legacy. The Campaigner in contrast will not only preserve but pick up where Jenny left off. So come home to Jenny and the Campaigner and help make London a better place. For everyone.

(Also, if one is ever wondering whether to use the terms "kek" or "lulz", remember the wise words of the poet - "don't use the terms 'kek' or 'lulz'; they're awful.")

Spitfire Youngster wrote:

Most "well meaning" people will either give you a fish and a soothing lie, or a fishing rod and some bitter truth.
Feducci remains silent, and hands you a knife.

That's not as profound as you think it is, and much more insane.


edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/3/2017

You can't have it both ways :P

In Victorian London, a cane is not an indicator that you are disabled. Canes were fashion accessories in those times. Hey, my own character has two of the things.

More likely the Diplomat is just that, a diplomat. A spy, to be sure, in as much as every diplomat here is. While his goals are a mystery and he keeps odd company, so too in both respects is Feducci. Presumably he does whatever is needed, and I recall in some seasonal content (Hallowmass? I vaguely recall the Diplomat interacting with a confession) he was doing...something that was seemingly in the interest of the Presbyterate. Ofc it could've been related to Feducci, especially were it a Hallowmass confession, which could brand the Diplomat a traitor, or Feducci as one. Or just two spies who's missions don't exactly align. My memory is foggy so I can't say for sure.

I like Feducci. Nothing really to dislike. But he is, we think, a spy. In which case he either exists as a way to see how his being likeable will affect his success (especially if he's the most directly likable candidate), or more likely we will see some surprising new info come out on him. Perhaps we initially have it confirmed he's a spy, before more info that he's 'gone native' or something

The way I see it, Feducci's the only one who could actually save any lives in the long run. Sooner or later all these poor slobs are gonna get dropped into the Tear Pit™ and their souls will dissolve and so forth. The only way to survive is to get rich, powerful, or connected enough to escape across the Unterzee or to get the protection of one of the Neath's powerful supernatural factions. I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to help a few more of them survive than to give all of them the equivalent of palliative care.

Plus, with Feducci we get free trade with the Presbyterate, a place more technologically advanced and more civilized than London. All that tech and culture could do us a lot of good, I think.

One more note, about the insider trading. Maybe I just don't understand gambling, but by putting bets on all of his policies, isn't he showing how dedicated he is to his platform? Remember, he isn't just betting on the trade agreement, it's just his biggest bet, since it's the one he's most sure of. As a whole, it signifies that he's confident in his own success, and willing to compensate his supporters if he fails. I'd say that's a very positive quality in a candidate.

Well, it's not as if the mayor actually does anything is it? Does it really matter who wins? I'm all for Sinning Jenny, but during her term in office what has she actually done? Sweet Fanny Adams is what. It's clearly just a ceremonial position, like the real-life Lord Mayor.

Let's not kid ourselves. We all know who is really in charge of London.

Infinity Simulacrum wrote:

I'm just not sure I want someone under influences of that certain foreign power in position of mayor.

Are we not currently observing in our own time and age that having someone with close loyalties to a foreign power in an important office is absolutely totally unproblematic? So really, nothing to worry about.

Vote Feducci - because how much worse can it get? (Let's find out.)

Regarding the alleged unfairness of the Black Ribbon Society:

I do not recall it being stated anywhere that the duels are supposed to follow any kind of strict rules. It is supposed to be a fight, best ended with permanent death of one of the participants. No one is forced into the society, and everyone who joins it is aware of the threat.

Though material rewards are offered to the winner, they are not the real prize. The real prize is the thrill of the fight, the possiblity of sending someone on the final journey with the Boatman, or being sent on it yourself. Bluntly, Black Ribbon Society is a band of killers, both filled with bloodlust and each having a deathwish. To accuse any of it's members of dishonesty due to their prefered fighting method strikes me as naive.

Finally, painting Feducci as a merciless killer is also untrue. Losing to him does not end you permanently, even though it sends you on a rather unpleasant boat trip. He could easily hack your temporarily lifeless body to pieces and claim your ribbon, but he does not. Why? Because, despite there being no set rules, Feducci is a good sportsman, even while playing a rigged game.

For this reasons, I, knowing of all his faults, lies and misdeeds, support Feducci in this year's election. For he is a game-maker, and is there a greater game than life itself?

PS.
I find treating Snuffers as London citizens as plain foolishness. Even Jack of Smiles, with his proclivity towards throat slitting, is not as serious a threat. While Rubbery Men, LBs, and other non-traditional Londoners are valuable members of society, Snuffers are not. They are predators, exceptionally insidious in their hunt, as they can take the identity of any of their victims. And while they stalk the streets of our city, I think it's appropriate for them to have a nemesis, regardless of their background.
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edited by Spitfire Youngster on 6/30/2017

Most "well meaning" people will either give you a fish and a soothing lie, or a fishing rod and some bitter truth.
Feducci remains silent, and hands you a knife.

They all deserved their fate because, clearly, they didn't try hard enough.

when his grandmother has closed down the wine shops, when constables nail shut The Mandrake's doors and the dreaming couches burn in the streets

This just in: helping your fellow Londoners is condescension.

I wonder if that wonderful young lass I taught swordplay to and used my experience as a Glassman to aid the nightmares of resents me for being so callously condescending toward her.

Hm... perhaps you're right. It's not his lack of planning that concerns me, as good things can come from chaos. It's that lack of planning, combined with his running of the campaign and his association with Hell. No matter how much I convince myself of it, I cannot abide a slaver. His relation with the Presbyterate is suspicious as well. Perhaps it's too much of a gamble to be worth risking. Too many blemmigans in one's closet, so to speak.

On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

I'll have to give it some thought.

Lots of anti-Feducci voters have invaded our thread in an attempt to gaslight us into believing our Rightful Mayor has no support. Thumbs up if you support Feducci!

Feducci wouldn't change any of this, because trying to make things a bit more equal through wealth redistribution is completely ruled out: Equality In Death.

I notice you've yet to provide an alternative explanation as to its meaning.

gronostaj wrote:

"“We can coddle ourselves with tea and reform, or abandon ourselves to liberty and licentiousness, or we can roll up our sleeves up and make a city that works.”
- Implacable Detective


Well, ladies and gentlemen and other, if the prospect of abandoning oneself to liberty and licentiousness is not enough incentive to vote for Feducci, I don't know what is

Feducci no doubt considers slave driving a very important liberty. Freedom to enslave and all that.

While I have some... concern over Feducci's association with Hell, as should any virtuous, or less-than-virtuous, citizen, I am hoping his idea of a more free and equal London will involve a relaxing of our fair city's laws. If so, the work of the researcher (particularly those studying the Language of the Stars), the magician, the writer and the duelist, might become far easier.

Why vote for the Detective, when her victory's payout will be more Constables snooping around your business?

gronostaj wrote:

Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective

What's wrong with it? Antonio Feducci rolls nicely off the tongue.

I might need help with my Wounds menace, if it wouldn't be a bother could you help me?

That isn't really an alternative interpretation as it rules out peaceful redistribution and has violence and death as the only equalizers. Equality is still very much a bad thing, because if you are subject to it then it means you failed and were killed. And since Feducci cannot die, he cannot be threatened with equality.

BillyBones wrote:

On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

She's losing the support of the *corrupt and compromised* elements of the force, which is a good thing.

And note that without support from the constabulary and justice system, *any* Mayor will have a hard time implementing *any* reform.

e.g. consider that the Campaigner gets elected and tries to pass a policy of limiting alcohol consumption (by limiting supply or limiting the time bars are open). How can such a policy be reliably applied without a dependable police force and courts? Any such new policy/reform is ripe for abuse by corrupt constables and judges.

Reforming the justice system itself is critical for *any* other reform to actually go as planned.

The down-voter hit our Honey-Well HQ thread too and voted down all the posts involving preparations for the Day of Agitation...for some reason. They also didn't like dov's mechanical analysis on the Polls Leaked! thread. Really odd...
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:

Vote for a politician because he isn't a politician! A very sound plan, yes...

To be fair, that tactic actually has quite substantial historical merit. Many people would vote for someone they believe are capable of getting things done, sometimes almost regardless of what said things are. I won't try to draw real-life parallels to avoid adding a real political shit-storm to our imaginary political shit-storm.
And for all his moral faults (supposed or real) Feducci is a man of action to a degree that none of the other candidate can even come close to compare with.
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Sorry if this has been answered in this thread, but: people keep going on about Feducci being loyal to the Presbyterate. Do we actually have anything to support this? He was born and raised there, yes, and spent some time as quite the celebrity, but I don't remember any indication of current loyalty towards any faction besides Hell. I remind that "He's called Presbyter's dog" is from the same source of information as "He's a prince of the Tomb Colonies."

Only one man rubs shoulders with all walks of life in London.

He's a man with extensive experience in politics as well as in wartime strategy, skills that his opponents wholly lack.

Akernis wrote:

Just like political smear campaigns

It's not a smear if it's true :P

Has Feducci always walked with a cane? Or is it some sort of arbitrary requirement that at least one mayoral candidate must be physically handicapped in some way.

Eschenbach wrote:

He's terrible. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/ShowMore/434443/EventConclusion?contentKey=15023

Ah, thank you for that quote. It's been many years since I've played that part of Ambition: Nemesis. I distinctly remembered that Feducci is the Presbyter's agent, but couldn't confirm which content mentioned it explicitly.

I was not there for the last election, but whoever gives me the watchful boots will be voted.

And also whoever gives me something but Docks favours. Seriously, i appreciate the easy way of getting what i need to go to expeditions, but i'd rather get the renown of someone else.

In fact, one wonders if there will be a candidate for the urchins...

Edit: however Feducci has a pretty snazzy portait. I might be tempted to vote for him only for that...

edited by Giygas on 6/20/2017

I'm voting for whoever's card will give me docks favors. So probably this bandaged gentleperson.

This link isn't working for me. Could someone post another?

Terrier wrote:

He does seem to be actively sponsoring the hunting of some of them.

http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/ShowMore/7099710/EventConclusion?contentKey=13494

That puts quite the damper on my endorsement. I know a few delightful snuffers.

People are tired of well-off society types like the Campaigner and the Detective claiming to have their best interests at heart, while running in circles and never managing to accomplish anything.TDC and ID have been working towards their vision of London for years now, and how well off are the people right now? How well are their campaigns doing? How much longer must the people endure the grandstanding of the haves who claim to know what's best for the have-nots?

Gul's back, baby! Working with the Campaigner was nice for a little while, but she's so dreadfully boring and her supporters so dreadfully serious, it's unbearable! I had little choice but to come scrambling back, hand over foot, to the one candidate who knows that Life Is To Be Taken Lightly! And to think, I almost lobbied for prohibition! Dear me, the things I do for love...Anyway, the good doctor can take care of any menaces you might want taken care of, and has a great store of echoes to contribute as well. For strength, for glory, for Feducci!

Sorry if this has been answered in this thread, but: people keep going on about Feducci being loyal to the Presbyterate. Do we actually have anything to support this? He was born and raised there, yes, and spent some time as quite the celebrity, but I don't remember any indication of current loyalty towards any faction besides Hell. I remind that "He's called Presbyter's dog" is from the same source of information as "He's a prince of the Tomb Colonies."

Infinity Simulacrum wrote:

"Might be a corrupt system they're lackeys of," the Mirthless Colonist mutters as he chews his tabacco, "But at least it's our corrupt system."

I do applaud honest patriotism from people open-minded enough to realise the hypocrisy.

Infinity Simulacrum wrote:

It's just a very, very bad idea to put someone who's chief concern isn't the government they serve in a position of power. If the Presbyters want a stake, let them set up an embassy or somesuch, but unless your loyalties lie with the Presbyters themselves, there's no real way to justify giving power to someone who's first concern isn't using the power in the way he's supposed to.

In reality? Of course. In Fallen London? Not so much.
I am not sure saying that there is no way to justify having someone in power who does not serve our own government when the alternative is our own leaders who are:
A) - A queen who sold us into quasi-slavery to monstrous space bats to save her own husband.
B) - An utterly ineffectual parliament who serves solely under the thumb of said space bats.
C) - Said space bats who want to exploit us and when they are done with us drown and liquefy us in gigantic vats of liquid grief and sorrow to satisfy a heartbroken entity who couldn't care less if millions of people got disintegrated as long as its own sorrows are temporarily lessened.

Having someone with an alternative agenda in charge (even for a little while) might well be step in the right direction. I for one thinks it would be interesting to have more people trying to climb the Chain rather than simply being a mere pawn of the Masters' whims.
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Lorelai wrote:

Sorry guys, been avoiding the forums because I wasn't expecting the RP to get so strong, or for arguments with other supporters to show up in our own thread. I guess I assumed that the threads would be respected as just for the supporters of that candidate and debates would happen elsewhere. *shrug*

But I have very high nightmares and I would really appreciate it if a fixer or two could assist me with them!

http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/MythLore

Unfortunately I don't think Fixers can fix nightmares, only suspicion and scandal. However I've sent you a nightmare reduction offer, and will send more if need be.

Not a problem, happy to help. And yes, sadly some people seem to be taking this beyond debate and into pointless negativity. Don't let that discourage you from using the forums though, there are still plenty of people who are making this election worthwhile on all sides.

As a side note, to all Feducci supporters, please let me know if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.

She's losing the support of the *corrupt and compromised* elements of the force, which is a good thing.

And note that without support from the constabulary and justice system, *any* Mayor will have a hard time implementing *any* reform.

e.g. consider that the Campaigner gets elected and tries to pass a policy of limiting alcohol consumption (by limiting supply or limiting the time bars are open). How can such a policy be reliably applied without a dependable police force and courts? Any such new policy/reform is ripe for abuse by corrupt constables and judges.

Reforming the justice system itself is critical for *any* other reform to actually go as planned.

That is a very romantic way of saying that Feducci has promised you absolutely nothing

No it says right here- Feducci's name is Feducci, just like mr Eaten's name is mr Eaten I don't know why people go looking for it when it says right there.... besides, every time someone says "antonio" i hear a faint female voice adding "fa caldo" in the back of my head. of all the dirt on Feducci revealed, isn't it the worst one?

That doesn't necessarily mean that he enjoyed it, just that it suited his purposes more than the "better" commission. There could be any number of reasons for that other than sadism. We just don't know enough about the situation.

That said, screw him and the horse he rode in on.

It claims he chose that commission over a higher one, as he was offered due to his bravery in aiding in liberating Hell from it frankly terrifying Aristocracy.

Feducci has promised to allow an Urchin the same opportunities as an aristocrat's scion; tell me that that was not precisely Jenny's intent with her beloved finishing school! We voted for our mayor in part because she promised to lessen the advantage a chosen few had over their peers by accident of birth, and Feducci's campaign takes this further. Even the titles handed out arbitrarily may soon be decided by the merits of skill, sweat and cunning. Tell me, who do you think will prosper when anything may be fought for: a silver-spooned fop, or those who hew their muscles with honest labour on the docks and the Urchin who has had to strive for survival all there life in the rookeries and the Flit?

What if an urchin could rise to the same heights as a Governor's son? And then - What if he could lose all his fortune again in an hour?