Gillsing
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Anne Auclair wrote:
That isn't really an alternative interpretation as it rules out peaceful redistribution and has violence and death as the only equalizers. Equality is still very much a bad thing, because if you are subject to it then it means you failed and were killed. And since Feducci cannot die, he cannot be threatened with equality.
"Equality in Death" are the words of Feducci. I think I see now where you're going through some 'torturous effort' to misinterpret those words: You seem to be focusing on the "equality" part. But this is Feducci we're talking about. He's mostly about death. 'Equality in Death' is primarily about death, not primarily about equality. And it is fine to have one statement that happens to not include anything about "peaceful redistribution", or any other particular thing that Feducci probably doesn't care that much about. Though clearly the redistribution would be peaceful if someone won a peaceful contest and the loser peacefully handed over what was won.
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gronostaj
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Gillsing wrote:
"Equality in Death" are the words of Feducci.
Am I the only one who thinks the writers just really, really wanted to paraphrase the Les Misérables "Everyone's equal when they're dead", merely because it sounds cool? I'm pretty sure as long as any citizien can arrange for their neighbour to fall off the stairs (and really, it's London. Who of them can't?) they're going to be fine. With Feducci, the only difference is that a tenement will be able to make a wish of the tenement-house owner falling off his own stairs, as opposed to making other tenements fall of stairs that they don't even own. (tenement. god I hate that word. Am I even writing it right?)
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Vexpont
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Sara Hysaro wrote:
Over in the Presbyterate they set a hard limit of (I believe) 1000 years before you must die. Attempting to live beyond your allotted years results in your children being restricted to less than 100 years. Not sure if it's just children or all of your descendants, but either way it's not a good idea.
This is the first I've read of a 'sins of the fathers' longevity policy. Is it from Flint? It's fascinating to me because if Feducci (one of my own favourite NPCs , though impossible for my character to support for Mayor – he has a gambling problem, and couldn’t wish it on others) was one of those who've been handed this relatively short straw by a parent, it would explain a lot. His passion for extreme sports. His preference for living in London. His deadman cosplay, which is too common-knowledge to be spoiler, and apparently tolerated by the Colonists who must know what he really is.
Perhaps, like it or not, his candle is burning at both ends, and he’s a mayfly in Presbyterate terms. But Londoners don’t fret excessively about their threescore-and-ten, knowing nothing else, so he feels more at home among people who are unlikely to live an unbandaged century. It would all make sense, and make him far less of a hypocrite.
One problem with this is that he's implied (in Nemesis, and possibly elsewhere) to be far older than 100, but I suppose there's always this:
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Agoakumon?fromEchoId=1832413
So he could just know where not to be, and when; the Artful Dodger of the Elder Continent. But you can't dodge forever. One day, the last fight will find you.
All the same, if he’d said “All Could Rise, Most Sha’n’t”, my inner grammarian would have been greatly tempted to support him, and not the DTC. 'Eery', go home; that double apostrophe is the motherlode of C19 pedantry.
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gronostaj
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Vexpont wrote:
I suppose there's always this
Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective
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lady ciel
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The 1000/100 comes from Sunless Sea. One of the officers is from the Presbyterate and during her story you find out about that rule.
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Curious Foreigner
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gronostaj wrote:
Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective
What's wrong with it? Antonio Feducci rolls nicely off the tongue.
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Kindelwyrm
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gronostaj wrote:
Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective
Tsk, you have something against the fineries from Italian? No taste at all.
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gronostaj
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Curious Foreigner wrote:
gronostaj wrote:
Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective
What's wrong with it? Antonio Feducci rolls nicely off the tongue.
No it says right here- Feducci's name is Feducci, just like mr Eaten's name is mr Eaten I don't know why people go looking for it when it says right there.... besides, every time someone says "antonio" i hear a faint female voice adding "fa caldo" in the back of my head. of all the dirt on Feducci revealed, isn't it the worst one? 
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Charlotte_de_Witte
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gronostaj wrote:
Curious Foreigner wrote:
gronostaj wrote:
Feducci's name is Antonio? ....... that's it, I'm switching to Implacable Detective
What's wrong with it? Antonio Feducci rolls nicely off the tongue.
No it says right here- Feducci's name is Feducci, just like mr Eaten's name is mr Eaten I don't know why people go looking for it when it says right there.... besides, every time someone says "antonio" i hear a faint female voice adding "fa caldo" in the back of my head. of all the dirt on Feducci revealed, isn't it the worst one?
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I have to say, Sinning Jenny's Italian is impeccable.
Also a better argument for temperance I have yet to see...
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Anne Auclair
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7/9/2017
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Amsfield wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
That is a very romantic way of saying that Feducci has promised you absolutely nothing.
If you truly believe that London as it stands offers 'Fair Play, Fair Game', then why do you campaign so aggressively for change. If you do not think that allowing individuals to challenge for advancement on equal footing is a significant promise, then you are ignoring the inequity that pervades London.
As I've said before, Feducci's promises are empty - he cannot give people equal footing. He cares more about his self-conceptions than actual conditions, he has no idea what his ideas would look like in practice, the Mayor's office has no power to implement them in any meaningful way, and London's horrific inequality and the Masters absolute control are conceded from the start. Not even Feducci believes in his own promises. If he did, Feducci's behavior would be incredibly hypocritical: duels he cannot lose, gambles that are really bribes, willing involvement in Infernal slavery, all which are indicative of someone who deep down does not actually care about fairness and is using the word to scam people. What Feducci cares about is Feducci getting what he wants, what Feducci cares about is license. So, under Feducci nothing will fundamentally change in London.
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Feducci has been quoted as saying 'all could rise, most shan't', and you have often focused on the second part. What you ignore is that the DTC has not promised that anyone shall. There may be implications she may offer some charity, but there are stronger implications she will protect the privileges of the privileged at least as vehemently. The fact is that The Temperance Campaigner has made no concrete promises beyond attempting to restrict the supplies of wine and honey.
This is simply wrong. Here's the Campaigner's statement:
A kind heart and an old foe wrote:
"I have dedicated my life to fighting exploitation. Yes, I've fought the honey-pushers, who addict dreamers, and the drink-dealers who poison mothers and fathers. But I'm here to fight the factory-owners, the landlords, the bankers who drive our citizens into such harmful escapes. We must help the addled and afflicted, provide houses of respite and healing. And tea. I am in favour of tea."
So, here you have concrete promises for regulations to constrain the abuses of factory owners, landlords, and bankers, as well as welfare policies to help the sick and impoverished ("houses of respite and healing"). So, she has promised a program that is actively against the interests of the powerful - the Masters foremost among them. She's going after businesses owned by Mr Wines, Mr Spices, Mr Veils, Mr Irons, and Mr Fires.
And of course, when you restrict the powerful and redistribute resources to the benefit of ordinary people, you cause living standards to rise. It's simple and straightforward, which is why the Campaigner has had detailed plans from the beginning. In contrast, Feducci can't even get his principle off the blackboard and into a coherent manifesto, because they're fundamentally based on magical thinking.
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gronostaj
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
I have to say, Sinning Jenny's Italian is impeccable.
Dear me, are you implying the scandalously loud party Mayor Jenny threw wasn't, in fact, under Feducci's Blythenhale room, but inside of it?
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Vexpont
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I have to say, Sinning Jenny's Italian is impeccable.
Also a better argument for temperance I have yet to see...
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edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 7/9/2017
Iced Teatime for London.
Since realising where our Surface connections emerge, I've been slightly bothered by failure of most Londoners to pick up even a smattering of Italian. Heck, it's been over 30 years, and we must now be completely dependent on Neapolitan Surfacers for imported fruit and veg.
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Charlotte_de_Witte
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gronostaj wrote:
Dear me, are you implying the scandalously loud party Mayor Jenny threw wasn't, in fact, under Feducci's Blythenhale room, but inside of it?
You might well think that, I couldn't possible comment... :-p
Vexpont wrote:
Iced Teatime for London.
Since realising where our Surface connections emerge, I've been slightly bothered by failure of most Londoners to pick up even a smattering of Italian. Heck, it's been over 30 years, and we must now be completely dependent on Neapolitan Surfacers for imported fruit and veg.
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If means we could get the Revolutionaries to start singing Bella Ciao, I'm all for it 
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Morkan Kassington
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gronostaj wrote:
No it says right here- Feducci's name is Feducci, just like mr Eaten's name is mr Eaten I don't know why people go looking for it when it says right there.... besides, every time someone says "antonio" i hear a faint female voice adding "fa caldo" in the back of my head. of all the dirt on Feducci revealed, isn't it the worst one?
Gronostaj, fa freddo
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gronostaj
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Morkan Kassington wrote:
Gronostaj, fa freddo
(nasal slavic accent) Per amor del cielo, vuoi coprirti? I'm not drunk enough for this
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Isaac Zienfried
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Way to remind me I have a sound file of me drunkenly singing Katyusha after imbibing like eight shots' worth of vodka.
This wouldn't be a problem, but then I remembered my girlfriend also has the file somewhere. Why do I do these things.
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gronostaj
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
Way to remind me I have a sound file of me drunkenly singing Katyusha after imbibing like eight shots' worth of vodka.
you're like a little baby watch this *gulps a liter of vodka, mutters "c-c-c-all 911", dies, you all come to my funeral, the priests give their last goodbyes, when a marching bands suddenly stops playing chopin's funeral march and stars on first notes of "kalashnikov" and the coffin rattles and the lid pops open. i raise up like a dracula, cosplaying goran bregovic, microphone in my hand. after three days in morgue i am still drunk. i yell "cigani! juris!!!". the crowd goes wild. dead rise from the graves and form a dancing line. a successful funeral all in all.* in all seriousness you sound like a fun person to have at the drinking table
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