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Lorelai
Lorelai
Posts: 59

7/4/2017
Sorry guys, been avoiding the forums because I wasn't expecting the RP to get so strong, or for arguments with other supporters to show up in our own thread. I guess I assumed that the threads would be respected as just for the supporters of that candidate and debates would happen elsewhere. *shrug*

But I have very high nightmares and I would really appreciate it if a fixer or two could assist me with them!

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EDIT: Not sure why I got downvoted? o.O Did I say something wrong?
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Conrad Baltar
Conrad Baltar
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7/4/2017
Lorelai wrote:
Sorry guys, been avoiding the forums because I wasn't expecting the RP to get so strong, or for arguments with other supporters to show up in our own thread. I guess I assumed that the threads would be respected as just for the supporters of that candidate and debates would happen elsewhere. *shrug*

But I have very high nightmares and I would really appreciate it if a fixer or two could assist me with them!

http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/MythLore


Unfortunately I don't think Fixers can fix nightmares, only suspicion and scandal. However I've sent you a nightmare reduction offer, and will send more if need be.

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"Some may view what Feducci does as cheating and scheming. Others may view it as pragmatism or planning ahead and ensuring victory at any cost. That is a matter of perspective. And that matter of perspective is what draws the line between those of us willing to support him, and those of us who oppose him."

To all Feducci supporters, please let me know (via private messaging or in the main Feducci thread) if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.


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Conrad Baltar
Conrad Baltar
Posts: 42

7/4/2017
Also I don't think you said anything wrong, it seems that any Feducci positive posts within his own thread are downvoted for merely holding that opinion.

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A proud Feducci Campaigner. "Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair London."

"Some may view what Feducci does as cheating and scheming. Others may view it as pragmatism or planning ahead and ensuring victory at any cost. That is a matter of perspective. And that matter of perspective is what draws the line between those of us willing to support him, and those of us who oppose him."

To all Feducci supporters, please let me know (via private messaging or in the main Feducci thread) if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.


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Lorelai
Lorelai
Posts: 59

7/4/2017
Conrad Baltar wrote:
Lorelai wrote:
Sorry guys, been avoiding the forums because I wasn't expecting the RP to get so strong, or for arguments with other supporters to show up in our own thread. I guess I assumed that the threads would be respected as just for the supporters of that candidate and debates would happen elsewhere. *shrug*

But I have very high nightmares and I would really appreciate it if a fixer or two could assist me with them!

http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/MythLore


Unfortunately I don't think Fixers can fix nightmares, only suspicion and scandal. However I've sent you a nightmare reduction offer, and will send more if need be.



Oh, my bad! I thought all of the the menaces that affect the Flesh Lays could be fixed. Thank you for your assistance! I'm completely cure now ^^

It's a shame that people seem to be taking this event so seriously, I thought we were just here to have fun, not to start insulting people for the candidate the choose. -_-;

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Conrad Baltar
Conrad Baltar
Posts: 42

7/4/2017
Not a problem, happy to help. And yes, sadly some people seem to be taking this beyond debate and into pointless negativity. Don't let that discourage you from using the forums though, there are still plenty of people who are making this election worthwhile on all sides.

As a side note, to all Feducci supporters, please let me know if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.

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Conrad Baltar is open to all social invites when in London.

A proud Feducci Campaigner. "Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair London."

"Some may view what Feducci does as cheating and scheming. Others may view it as pragmatism or planning ahead and ensuring victory at any cost. That is a matter of perspective. And that matter of perspective is what draws the line between those of us willing to support him, and those of us who oppose him."

To all Feducci supporters, please let me know (via private messaging or in the main Feducci thread) if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.


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Anne Auclair
Anne Auclair
Posts: 2221

7/4/2017
The down-voter hit our Honey-Well HQ thread too and voted down all the posts involving preparations for the Day of Agitation...for some reason. They also didn't like dov's mechanical analysis on the Polls Leaked! thread. Really odd...
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Conrad Baltar
Conrad Baltar
Posts: 42

7/4/2017
Anne Auclair wrote:
The down-voter hit our Honey-Well HQ thread too and voted down all the posts involving preparations for the Day of Agitation...for some reason. They also didn't like dov's mechanical analysis on the Polls Leaked! thread. Really odd...
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It's bizarre that things went down to -3/-2. It's such a random assortment of things to downvote. "Oh no, people are engaging in political discourse and trying to figure out the best way to work within the system...better show my disapproval with multiple accounts. That'll show them."

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Conrad Baltar is open to all social invites when in London.

A proud Feducci Campaigner. "Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair London."

"Some may view what Feducci does as cheating and scheming. Others may view it as pragmatism or planning ahead and ensuring victory at any cost. That is a matter of perspective. And that matter of perspective is what draws the line between those of us willing to support him, and those of us who oppose him."

To all Feducci supporters, please let me know (via private messaging or in the main Feducci thread) if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.


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Corvo
Corvo
Posts: 221

7/5/2017
Conrad Baltar wrote:
Not a problem, happy to help. And yes, sadly some people seem to be taking this beyond debate and into pointless negativity. Don't let that discourage you from using the forums though, there are still plenty of people who are making this election worthwhile on all sides.

As a side note, to all Feducci supporters, please let me know if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.



I might need help with my Wounds menace, if it wouldn't be a bother could you help me?

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Conrad Baltar
Conrad Baltar
Posts: 42

7/5/2017
Corvo wrote:
I might need help with my Wounds menace, if it wouldn't be a bother could you help me?


Done and done my dear Corvo. Decline any that aren't needed, I just spammed you with them before I slink off to sleep.

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Conrad Baltar is open to all social invites when in London.

A proud Feducci Campaigner. "Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair London."

"Some may view what Feducci does as cheating and scheming. Others may view it as pragmatism or planning ahead and ensuring victory at any cost. That is a matter of perspective. And that matter of perspective is what draws the line between those of us willing to support him, and those of us who oppose him."

To all Feducci supporters, please let me know (via private messaging or in the main Feducci thread) if you require any Wounds or Nightmares reduction, I'll do my best to assist you over the rest of the week.


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gronostaj
gronostaj
Posts: 403

7/5/2017
Lorelai wrote:
It's a shame that people seem to be taking this event so seriously, I thought we were just here to have fun, not to start insulting people for the candidate the choose. -_-;



I don't know, it seems that a lot of people are just having fun in roleplay-y way. Besides the ocassional downvote-storm or some of these weird comparision to real-life USA politics, that is wink Anyway, it's probably more soothing to assume they're roleplaying. What can I say, I'm an optimist at heart.

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Catherine Raymond
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7/5/2017
I agree with gronostaj--I've seen lots of great roleplay and no genuine spite or malice. My only frustration is the length of time it can take to finish a debate.

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Amsfield
Amsfield
Posts: 176

7/6/2017
gronostaj wrote:

I don't know, it seems that a lot of people are just having fun in roleplay-y way. Besides the ocassional downvote-storm or some of these weird comparision to real-life USA politics, that is wink Anyway, it's probably more soothing to assume they're roleplaying. What can I say, I'm an optimist at heart.



That's certainly the spirit of my campaigning. I've alts working toward's different candidates, 2 for the detective and even 1 for the DTC. Admittedly, as a player I honestly would ideally see Feducci win, as I think they will be easily the most interesting in terms of story and mechanics (and I doubt my main could reasonably engaged with whatever DTC's version of the school is for RP reasons), but I certainly harbor no resentment toward player's supporting other candidates; the campaigning online has been one of the more engaging elements of the affair to me. On a side note,I really haven't seen much from ID's supporters, which is a shame as they are probably the best option for mayor in an in world sense. I may have to have Honoria say a little something somewhere.

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BillyBones
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7/6/2017
While I have some... concern over Feducci's association with Hell, as should any virtuous, or less-than-virtuous, citizen, I am hoping his idea of a more free and equal London will involve a relaxing of our fair city's laws. If so, the work of the researcher (particularly those studying the Language of the Stars), the magician, the writer and the duelist, might become far easier.

In the end, whether you like the new mayor or not, one has to consider that the mayor has but one year to accomplish their promises.

Perhaps voting for Feducci will be a poor call, a bad gamble. Ultimately, though, I feel London is a city of gamblers. Whether we see it, whether we admit it or not, we let chance influence our lives every day - to buy a yacht, to gather enough money to buy a goat or two, to steal a few juicy secrets - most of us risk failure in some way or another. When we succeed, however, when our gamble pays off, when we get our yacht, our goats, our secrets, the payout is tremendous. Voting for a mayor, I think, is very much the same. The payout, in this case, being the change that they bring.

So then, why vote for the Campaigner, when she would rather take the gamble out of our lives? Why vote for the Detective, when her victory's payout will be more Constables snooping around your business? Why not vote for Feducci, and either gain the greatest payout, or risk the greatest failure?

(A little bit of demagoguery. The "gamble" is a reference to the random number generator, source of many citizens' woes, and of brilliant stories of success.)
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dov
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7/6/2017
BillyBones wrote:
While I have some... concern over Feducci's association with Hell, as should any virtuous, or less-than-virtuous, citizen, I am hoping his idea of a more free and equal London will involve a relaxing of our fair city's laws. If so, the work of the researcher (particularly those studying the Language of the Stars), the magician, the writer and the duelist, might become far easier.

Well, if you investigate his campaign you see that not only does he *not* have any plans on how to fulfill his campaign promises, it seems that he has no desire to plan for that either.

And in contrast: he is very methodical in how to run the campaign itself (resources, voting blocs, constituencies, etc.). But there's no effort whatsoever to plan for any policy to accompany his slogans (to the great frustration of his campaign managers!)


BillyBones wrote:
Why vote for the Detective, when her victory's payout will be more Constables snooping around your business?

Based on everything we've seen about the Detective so far, I doubt she has much interest going after that business of regular people in London. Her main goal seems to be to clean up the Constabulary and the justice system from corrupt and criminal elements. That is a huge undertaking by itself and can only benefit most London citizens. There will be less corrupt cops snooping around you business extorting you.

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BillyBones
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7/6/2017
dov wrote:

Well, if you investigate his campaign you see that not only does he *not* have any plans on how to fulfill his campaign promises, it seems that he has no desire to plan for that either.

And in contrast: he is very methodical in how to run the campaign itself (resources, voting blocs, constituencies, etc.). But there's no effort whatsoever to plan for any policy to accompany his slogans (to the great frustration of his campaign managers!)

Based on everything we've seen about the Detective so far, I doubt she has much interest going after that business of regular people in London. Her main goal seems to be to clean up the Constabulary and the justice system from corrupt and criminal elements. That is a huge undertaking by itself and can only benefit most London citizens. There will be less corrupt cops snooping around you business extorting you.


Hm... perhaps you're right. It's not his lack of planning that concerns me, as good things can come from chaos. It's that lack of planning, combined with his running of the campaign and his association with Hell. No matter how much I convince myself of it, I cannot abide a slaver. His relation with the Presbyterate is suspicious as well. Perhaps it's too much of a gamble to be worth risking. Too many blemmigans in one's closet, so to speak.

On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

I'll have to give it some thought.

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dov
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7/6/2017
BillyBones wrote:
On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

She's losing the support of the *corrupt and compromised* elements of the force, which is a good thing.

And note that without support from the constabulary and justice system, *any* Mayor will have a hard time implementing *any* reform.

e.g. consider that the Campaigner gets elected and tries to pass a policy of limiting alcohol consumption (by limiting supply or limiting the time bars are open). How can such a policy be reliably applied without a dependable police force and courts? Any such new policy/reform is ripe for abuse by corrupt constables and judges.

Reforming the justice system itself is critical for *any* other reform to actually go as planned.

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Amsfield
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7/6/2017
BillyBones wrote:


Hm... perhaps you're right. It's not his lack of planning that concerns me, as good things can come from chaos. It's that lack of planning, combined with his running of the campaign and his association with Hell. No matter how much I convince myself of it, I cannot abide a slaver. His relation with the Presbyterate is suspicious as well. Perhaps it's too much of a gamble to be worth risking. Too many blemmigans in one's closet, so to speak.

On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

I'll have to give it some thought.



You have the same choice before you as we all do. One option, the 'safer' choice, is to watch an elderly lady struggle in vain against systems, powers and desires that are older not only than London, but Christendom itself! It is the 'safe' choice because its total failure to achieve anything of significance or lasting import is as predictable as it is inevitable. Both campaigner and detective alike wish to adjust the bureaucracy of London a little in their favor, whether by shutting down a few more lenient officers or more decadent honey dens. Both have no neither the interest nor, crucially, the ability, to alter any of the social or political systems.

The other choice is to be a part of a better, fairer and more exciting London! A London where an immortal warrior allows every citizen to fight for whatever they hold dear! Where fortunes, status and even destiny may be changed in an instance with the turn of a blade or a roll of the dice! There are no tedious list of regulations or proposals because the outcome is by definition and design unpredictable; this is no mere shuffling of regulations but real opportunity! While one battles her allies and the other battles the bottle, Feducci takes on all comers and allows everyone to pick the battles they wish!

You may choose which story you may wish to see play out. I know what I am fighting for.
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BillyBones
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7/6/2017
dov wrote:
BillyBones wrote:
On the other hand, the Detective, the other candidate I'd consider supporting, seems to be losing her support from the Constabulary. While less corruption within the force is undeniably a positive change, without support from the gentlemen in blue, she'll have a hard time accomplishing her reforms. Nevertheless, she might be a safer bet.

She's losing the support of the *corrupt and compromised* elements of the force, which is a good thing.

And note that without support from the constabulary and justice system, *any* Mayor will have a hard time implementing *any* reform.

e.g. consider that the Campaigner gets elected and tries to pass a policy of limiting alcohol consumption (by limiting supply or limiting the time bars are open). How can such a policy be reliably applied without a dependable police force and courts? Any such new policy/reform is ripe for abuse by corrupt constables and judges.

Reforming the justice system itself is critical for *any* other reform to actually go as planned.


Hm. Indeed.

I suppose I could give the good Detective a try. She did get me into the Dilmun Club. It would be nice to return the favor, at least.
I have to say, you're quite the persuasive sort.

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Edward Warren
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7/7/2017
dov wrote:

She's losing the support of the *corrupt and compromised* elements of the force, which is a good thing.

And note that without support from the constabulary and justice system, *any* Mayor will have a hard time implementing *any* reform.

e.g. consider that the Campaigner gets elected and tries to pass a policy of limiting alcohol consumption (by limiting supply or limiting the time bars are open). How can such a policy be reliably applied without a dependable police force and courts? Any such new policy/reform is ripe for abuse by corrupt constables and judges.

Reforming the justice system itself is critical for *any* other reform to actually go as planned.

Except you forgot to mention the fact that the Detective's headquarters is almost empty. Firing so many members of her own campaign is certain to have made her many enemies on the force. Even if we assume that she hasn't made any incorrect judgments and every single person she's thrown out was corrupt in some way, that doesn't exactly inspire confidence towards the sanctity of the legal system and one woman's ability to change it in the course of a year.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are faced a difficult dilemma in this election. All of us can agree, we must pick the candidate who can do the most good for London, yes. But we must also pick the one who can bring about change that will last the longest.

As sad as it is to admit, Our Fair City has fallen far from the greatness of old, and I don't just mean figuratively. Crime, poverty, and the moral degradation of society are all crucial issues to tackle. However, consider this: for all the power the Mayor of London holds, he/she will only be in office for a year. Should we not approach this dilemma in a sensible way, reforming our city will prove a Sisyphean task, one that can never be completed.

The Campaigner and the Detective both face uphill struggles, facing a myriad of organizations and institutions who will no doubt vehemently resist their efforts to bring about their reforms. And that does not even begin to factor in the power of the Masters, who both enjoy the honey trade and the corruption of government officials. How much will they be able to actually do for London, bogged down by a constant struggle against the considerable forces arrayed against them? Even if by miraculous chance they manage to enact their reforms near the end of the year, they will soon be gone anyway. And then it will be a simple matter for the powers that be to reverse these changes, loosen restrictions, and reinstate certain corrupt parties.

We must come to terms with a rather sad fact: neither the Campaigner nor the Detective's goals will do much of anything to improve the lives of the downtrodden in any meaningful capacity. It is sad but true. Their intentions are pure, but less honey in the dens and fewer judges on the benches will do little to impact the lives of the downtrodden everyman.

However, all is not lost. There is still a candidate with a real plan for change, who's daring strategy can make a meaningful change during the year of his term.


Where his opponents stand to face a lengthy legal battle, Feducci offers the people of London the chance to elevate themselves now. A chain that can be climbed by all people. Where fortunes, wealth, and a better standard of living stand to be gained by all people willing to seek them. By the time Feducci's term ends, who knows how many of London's corrupt elites will be in the gutter, how many good and decent people who never had the chance to prosper will have newfound fortune?

Citizens, I implore you to choose the candidate who's plan will touch the most lives! The plan that gives the people the fair chance they need right now! For a better London, for a Fair London, I implore you!

VOTE FEDUCCI!

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gronostaj
gronostaj
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7/7/2017
"“We can coddle ourselves with tea and reform, or abandon ourselves to liberty and licentiousness, or we can roll up our sleeves up and make a city that works.”
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Well, ladies and gentlemen and other, if the prospect of abandoning oneself to liberty and licentiousness is not enough incentive to vote for Feducci, I don't know what is wink



edit: whoops, that was a Horrible Yellow Text Colour. Horryfying.
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