I can't easily answer this poll as it is phrased.

dov wrote:

Theoretically you can get Renown: Criminals sky-high by murdering thieves left and right on the street (not a mechanic currently implemented, of course, but I'm talking about the narrative implications).

But isn't that just your interpretation? I don't remember reading anything about that when Renown was first introduced.

Your Renown represents the extent to which you are known to members of the Connected group: it's a measure of your celebrity or notoriety or both. It can go up, but it won't go down

Renown measures how well-known you are. We won't be tracking whether that Renown is celebrity, notoriety, envy, adoration, or something altogether more complicated – we'll leave that to you, the player.

• It doesn't grow organically with interactions with the faction, so it has no narrative and role play connection to player choices.
• But even if it did (e.g. gain Renown: Hell by robbing the Brass Embassy) it sill makes no sense from a narrative perspective. All the branch unlocks are implicitly assuming that Renown represents how close you are to the faction (why would they give you unique items for being really well known to work against them??). So all the branch unlocks for Renown, really make narrative sense if this quality is not about being *known* but about being *respected* by the faction (you know, like the old Connected).

If it becomes something you can just grind for by mindlessly clicking a button, that sense of accomplishment will feel greatly cheapened, at least to me.

quick but important question.

If this was your first time, starting from scratch, how long would it take you to grind 40 renoun?

I think conflict cards should give renown CPs according to the faction you choose and how much favour points you lose

Of course, it may be that Failbetter already had all this planned but have not fully implemented it yet. Fingers crossed that Renown becomes more interactive with the player's story

dov wrote:

For new players, Renown will be something they never encounter.

That is a pretty cynical conclusion, and not, I think, one based on actual evidence.

For contrary evidence: I began the game in between the first and second waves of Renown conversion. I started working on Renown well before I got onto the forums, or even before I started reading the wiki. I have also maneuvered several of my friends down into London, none of whom are on the forum and one of whom avoids all sorts of helps and possible spoilers like the plague. All of them also have Renown with various factions.

Frankly, as a player exposed to both Renown and Connected at the same moment, Renown made a lot more sense to me, and having a faction forget my existence because I called in a favor most certainly did not feel organic.

Also, as they've recently demonstrated, Failbetter keeps tabs on storylets activity. If Renown were something that was only being utilized by the sliver of people who argue about things on the forum, they would be aware of this, and would no doubt take steps to correct it.

Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, they do rather want to make a top-quality game for everyone.

Ugh, so you can only raise Renown: Hell to 5 at the carnival. I thought you could get it up to 10. So I literally can't even use the soul shepherd card at all now because I can't grind for souls without Renown: 10 and I can't raise renown without helping people sell their souls.

Making soul shepherds assist in the selling of souls so they can practice their craft is NOT cool.

For new players, Renown will be something they never encounter. Only a tiny percentage of players read the forums, and since Renown does not change organically with game choices (as Connected used to be), there's no reason for a new player to know about ts mechanic. At best they might find the options in the Carnival which raise Renown up to 5.

Also, wow, I actually need Renown: Hell at 10 before I can grind for souls. This is a bit of a dilemma for a soul shepherd...

Siankan wrote:

reaperOscuroCore wrote:

Now, we can only gain randomly, and grindingly. Oh what jolly, jolly fun.

These two things are opposite. Grinding means you're putting continual effort into working on something; it requires non-random opportunities.

Mrs. Plenty's establishment will take you up to Renown 5 without buying anything.

&quotOr&quot is an applicable way, since most favours alsp have a way to grind them, in addition to the cards.

If I was given complete control of the game for a week, I would make one change: I would make every action that gives a favor also give 1CP renown for the relevant faction.

Now, we can only gain randomly, and grindingly. Oh what jolly, jolly fun.

Yeah, if they add a bunch of other ways of getting renown that would resolve most of the complaints. The weirdest thing about renown is how despite how it's supposed to mean your interaction with a faction, it's only gained by *one specific* interaction, and one that has no connection any of the stories. If things that led to you interacting with a faction gave you renown where appropriate, that would really resolve the issue.