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[SPOILERS] Question about SMEN
vahalla
Posts: 13
4/25/2017
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What's the connection between Millicent Clathermont and Mr. Eaten? I've gathered that the woman in lilac you meet when you get St. Erzulie's candle is not Clathermont herself but a portion of her that she left behind when she gained the power to manipulate irrigo somehow. But why is she giving away a candle in the first place?
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Optimatum
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4/25/2017
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Quite simply, Millicent isn't giving away a candle at all, because she doesn't exist. By her own admission, she's a figment of the player's imagination. The player isn't exactly living in reality by that point in SMEN anyways, so what better place to befriend the ghost of a memory? It's not like they ever leave the Nadir, probably, maybe.
There's no actual connection between the real Millicent/Lilac and Mr. Eaten that I know of. The only link is that Lilac makes extraordinary tattoos, such as the Name might be. If you got a tattoo from her at the Feast of the Exceptional Rose, you may have even noticed an option to get such a tattoo. (Nothing of note happens.)
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dov
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4/25/2017
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Note that you can also talk with this memory ghost of Lilac *before* ever encountering her in the Nadir, searching for St Erzulie's candle. This is if you sail to the Chapel of Lights and/or Southward, which you can do with only St Cerise's candle.
Here's a thought experiment: how about the possibility that our character never actually wakes up from the Nightmare Carnival? After all, we look into a "special" mirror there, and even in the regular (not Nightmarish) version of the carnival, those mirrors can be fatal and/or drive one insane.
Everything which follows on the Seeking Road can be a figment of the character's imagination, possibly while they are locked up in the Royal Beth in a room adjacent to the Fidgeting Writer.
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vahalla
Posts: 13
4/26/2017
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I dunno, the idea that our character is just imagining everything is unsatisfying to me. How I've thought about SMEN so far is that our player is being compelled somehow by supernatural forces to go through the same suffering Mr. Eaten did, but I wasn't sure how Clathermont and the Nightmare Carnival tie into that.
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Teaspoon
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4/28/2017
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The Nightmare Carnival is the place where you are asked, explicitly, whether you would *like* to go through the suffering Mr Eaten did.
There's such a thing as etiquette. Even on a literally soul-wrecking quest.
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