GoingFTL
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4/11/2017
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I have found that Fallen London is not below Italy. Comparing the only 2 things we are 100% sure of the location, The Cumean Canal being below Naples, and Varchas being below Angkor Wat, we find that Fallen London is under Germany, and east of its location on the surface, and not southeast.
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phryne
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4/11/2017
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Beware the treachery of maps.
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Aberrant Eremite
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I'm with phryne. I'm not even certain that the Neath is exactly in the same space-time as the Surface. I'm pretty sure that this cavern is geologically impossible wherever you put it.
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John Moose
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4/11/2017
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I recall an offhand comment by someone from FBG or somesuch statement that the Unterzee is roughly the size of Europe. (Someone bored can feel free to make calculations on how many days it takes from corner to corner in SS and the typical speeds of steam ships from 19th century.) But yeah, I'm with phryne as well; Neath is where linear geography goes to die.
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Pumpkinhead
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4/11/2017
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Considering Karakorum and London are in roughly the same position in the Neath and assuming they fell straight down, the only explanation is that "location" is something that doesn't apply to the Neath. As phryne said, treachery of maps.
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Siankan
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4/11/2017
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Pumpkinhead wrote:
assuming they fell straight down, the only explanation is that "location" is something that doesn't apply to the Neath.
But that assumption doesn't match what we know. It is not said that London fell into the ground, but that London was "carried away by bats." Now precisely how a cloud of bats can lift up and deposit a city, I don't know, no more than I know if the former site of London is a crater or a blank space or or a sign saying "Mr. Firez wuz here." However, it does rather imply aerial transportation, at least during the first leg of the Fall, and that means that its path to the Neath could be anywhere.
As to the Cumaean Canal, Lake Avernus is in the immediate vicinity of Naples, so that's a non-issue. Did London take the Canal in its lapsarian adventure? Unknown, as far as I know; I don't even know that we have information about its size and whether that would be possible. That said, it is worth noting that the Second and Third Cities, at least, would not have taken that route; I think that a flying Karakorum would have made some impression in Europe had it gone to ground in Italy. So this leads to the (admittedly unprovable) conclusion that other routes into and out of the Neath exist beyond our familiar route into Europe.
Aberrant Eremite wrote:
I'm not even certain that the Neath is exactly in the same space-time as the Surface.
I'm going to challenge this, actually. One of the key qualities of the Neath is that it is shielded from certain celestial influences by being beneath the skin of our own little planet. That ties the Neath's nature to a direct geographical relationship with the Surface. (This does not, however, obviate Mr. Moose's observation that the Neath "is where linear geography goes to die." Even setting aside the plentiful records of zailors, the ability of certain parties to create new Laws is itself an argument against assuming the Neath is at all subject to Euclid.)
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Catherine Raymond
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4/11/2017
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Aha. Maybe the Cumaean Canal is near Naples after all. I just looked at my main character's Journal, where she recorded her observations during her conversation with the Lighthearted Polymath in the ES I talked about.
[spoiler]"London returned to her stars"
Scarlet strands web the wall. Several pin the sketch of the Seal. You follow a strand: an enigmatic formula hypothesises that only celestial material may bear the Seal. Another strand leads to schematics for fitting celestial glass into an observatory telescope in the Roof.
Threads to a pinned treatise on Red Science and the cleaving of matter. A memorandum titled 'The Restoration of Heaven,' surrounded by topographical charts. Naples is circled in red ink. As the Roof parts, the ground beneath the Surface city will be no more. The city shall be collateral.
London will once again be able to see the sun and the stars. And the new law forged in Hell should — theoretically — protect them from the deleterious effects of sunlight on Neath-dwellers.[/spoiler]
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Siankan
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4/11/2017
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
Maybe the Cumaean Canal is near Naples after all.
Given that Cumae is only a few miles from Naples, this is a certainty. (The Cumaean Canal, by the way, is a reference to the Aeneid. Aeneas goes to Cumae to visit the Sibyl. She and Aeneas then visit the underworld via Avernus, which besides being a lake in Italy is also one of the five rivers of Hades.)
The Polymath's plans do not necessarily mean that London lies directly underneath Naples (we have no idea how long the Canal is or its internal geography, although the fact it can be traveled hints that it is at least not a vertical shaft). It does however mean that she intends to use the Canal as the exit route for London, and this does not bode well for the Neapolitans come Sunless Skies. Get your street pizza while you can, people!
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