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GoingFTL Posts: 113 4/10/2017	In 291 days, the 50-second clip will be shown, in Paris. The beginning of an industry that will not end. What, exactly, will happen then, in the world of Fallen London?
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al2o3cr Posts: 66 4/28/2017	Somehow both wildly off-topic and relevant: http://blog.plover.com/2017/02/21/#anagram-scoring Happened across that article today, and TL;DR it decides the best anagram pair in the English dictionary is: CINEMATOGRAPHER anagrams to MEGACHIROPTERAN Clearly this is an indication that the Masters will get along famously with the movie business.
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ProfessorDetective Posts: 50 4/10/2017	The Cinema comes to the Neath. If this doesn't become an Exceptional Story, I will be very disappointed. -- Contact: The Academic Investigator. Call ahead. Lodgings disorderly.
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al2o3cr Posts: 66 4/11/2017	It's all fun and games until a reel of film starts circulating that appears to have nothing but two minutes of a well, motionless. SEVEN DAYS
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Barse Posts: 706 4/10/2017	I believe GoingFTL is referring to this event. edited by Barselaar on 4/10/2017 -- The Scorched Sailor, up for most social actions and RP. Not as scary as he looks.
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PSGarak Posts: 834 4/10/2017	Something which gives the appearance of reality but in fact is actually a false representation of a reality that occurred somewhere else? Sounds to me like the domain of Mirrors. Plus it's called the Silver Screen, and mirrors are also silvered. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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PSGarak Posts: 834 4/11/2017	ProfessorDetective wrote: Querry: What would happen if you filmed Irrigo? Have you see the movie Men in Black? I bet it's like that flashy thing they had, except the light isn't red. ProfessorDetective wrote: Related Querry: What would happen if you photographed the Correspondents? Early cinemas already have a tendency for the projectors to overheat and melt the film. The only difference is that now the screen being projected onto will also catch fire. And possibly the audience members, if they're paying attention. And the rest of the theater, too. So really, they're actually pretty similar to Surface cinemas of that time period. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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Henry 0th Posts: 27 4/10/2017	So which master will end up in charge of the silver screen. Mr. pages will end up censoring/collecting every film he can find. It will at least have the positive effect of preventing the loss of most of the works on the silent age of film. Although he doesn't seem to have that much interest in forming monopolies. Fires could make a claim as the film is an oil product. If he wants it because its cool and high tech he's definitely ruthless enough to fight for his claim. I guess mirrors could make a claim. The devils will definitely get involved all over the place. There are plenty of people that will sell their souls to get into film and many devils will make damn fine actors. More importantly when will their be a blemmigan movie star.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/12/2017	Catherine Raymond wrote: Anne Auclair wrote: Catherine Raymond wrote: Like as not Mr. Veils will, in time, lay claim to the name "Mr. Film". On what basis? Film theaters don't even have curtains! Ah, but Mr. Veils's metier is not primarily cloth, but entertainment, especially of a frivolous nature. Film certainly qualifies, as does prostitution (ably supplied to FL by him via Sinning Jenny and her ladies). Are you sure you don't mean Mr Wines? Mr Wines is the Master who specializes in frivolous entertainments, hobnobs with Bohemians, and owns the Parlor of Virtue. Mr Veils is only really into cloth and murder... -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 7/30/2017	Saklad wrote: I’m not suggesting you skip parts of the Discworld series, mind you. That’s the tenth book in the series, and you all should read them in order until that one. I'm offended by the suggestion that the Discworld series actually has a concrete order. At best there's the various sub-series with individual chronology but Moving Pictures is one of the standalone books. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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The Lord Breakfast Posts: 70 8/12/2017	ProfessorDetective wrote: And another thought: You wouldn't need to use special effects for all but the goriest (decapitations, severe dismemberments, eviscerations) of death scenes. If it becomes standard practice for the Neath film industry to actually have actors die in death scenes, it could become a problem when those more gory deaths actually do come up. Or it could be very profitable for the families of suicidal tomb colonists. Or it might become practice to film more unusual deaths to be cut into more graphic films. Thoughts, anyone? -- The Lord Breakfast, Captain Bacon, The Ageless Pirate, Bane of Salad, The Thrice-Mad, Eater of Pelicans
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al2o3cr Posts: 66 5/1/2017	ForScience wrote: Henry 0th wrote: Optimatum wrote: AU where the Masters are all cinematographers instead of megachiropterans They can be both. Presumably each genre of film with have its own master. So they'll be a Mr. action, Mr. Rom Com (that's probably wines) Mr. Heist film (stones) Mr. underdog sports story likely having a blemmigan player Mr. this thing is popular right now lets make a movie about it that will come out at least year after all interest has faded, Mr. found footage flims etc. etc. Mr Cheap Pulpy Sci-FivB-Movie Starring Some Guy in a Rubber Suit is CLEARLY the best one Wait until someone tries to make a movie like that with huge, terrifying bats as the monsters Like the situation depicted in "Shadow of the Vampire" but with the Vake instead of Nosferatu. That could get... messy.
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Anchovies Posts: 421 7/28/2017	ProfessorDetective wrote: Last one, I promise. Querry: would it be just as bad to bring a camera (cinematographic or otherwise) into the Labyrinth of Tigers as it would a mirror? The single-lens reflex (SLR) camera, invented in 1861 and put into commercial production in 1884, uses a mirror. NO PHOTOGRAPHY. VIOLATORS WILL BE DEVOURED. But how might Fingerkings react to being photographed? I think I have an idea. 1. Fingerkings are from Parabola, the place where "is-not" is. 2. Fingerkings can reach the Neath through mirrors. 3. A person possessed (or otherwise body-snatched) by Fingerkings has reptilian eyes. 4. The Gallery of Serpents is a prison for "Many-Fingered Kings", filled with wooden sculptures of unnatural creatures. What if Fingerkings travel through the Neath by means of depiction? Mirrors present an image of the world; Fingerkings enter the world through mirrors. Eyes present an image to the mind; if someone has lost their mind to Fingerkings, the serpentine influence can be seen in their eyes. A wooden sculpture presents a frozen, immobile image of a thing; Fingerkings can be imprisoned in a place of wooden sculptures. A dream can be made real in an image. Might the same be true of the Many-Fingered Kings? A photograph is a static image, and may thus be able to imprison Fingerkings in the same manner as a wooden sculpture. An SLR camera would transport the Fingerking to a mirror, from which it could escape back to Parabola before its image was projected onto the film. -- Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him. —Sir Arthur C Clarke Lionel Anchovies. Character on indefinite hiatus.
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Saklad Posts: 528 7/29/2017	OK, everyone reading this thread needs to drop everything and read “Moving Pictures” by Terry Pratchett. It deals with pretty much this exact scenario, down to nonexistent entities trying to become real. No, really, you’ve been describing that book exactly this whole time. I’m not suggesting you skip parts of the Discworld series, mind you. That’s the tenth book in the series, and you all should read them in order until that one. This is a fantasy series that had an esoteric joke about nuclear reactor design in the first book, despite having no such thing in the fictional universe. It is a series where the most relatable character is Death. It even has rats! …But seriously, this conversation is so close to that book that it is almost painful to not spoil it. -- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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Henry 0th Posts: 27 4/28/2017	Optimatum wrote: AU where the Masters are all cinematographers instead of megachiropterans They can be both. Presumably each genre of film with have its own master. So they'll be a Mr. action, Mr. Rom Com (that's probably wines) Mr. Heist film (stones) Mr. underdog sports story likely having a blemmigan player Mr. this thing is popular right now lets make a movie about it that will come out at least year after all interest has faded, Mr. found footage flims etc. etc.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/11/2017	PSGarak wrote: Something which gives the appearance of reality but in fact is actually a false representation of a reality that occurred somewhere else? Sounds to me like the domain of Mirrors. Plus it's called the Silver Screen, and mirrors are also silvered. Oh yeah! I wonder what the Fingerkings would make of it... Another thing to consider, early films were silent and so you had dialogue conveyed through writing. This brings Pages into the mix. Masters regularly fight over areas of shared interest or ambiguous ownership. Consider the war being waged between Wines and Spices over the honeyed roads into Parabola. Then there was the battle between Mr Wines and Mr Cups over the creator of some rather fantastic toys. Lastly, consider the ruthless campaign Mr Fires waged to take control of London's dirigibles, which indicates that the most appropriate Master does not always receive ownership rights: The Duchess wrote: "Why was it so insistent on controlling the dirigibles? They're awful things, of course, but really more in the remit of Mr Cups or Mr Veils. But it did want those dirigibles so. It spent quite a lot of capital and spilled an amount of blood to grasp them." So the arrival of film could touch off a three way battle between Fires, Mirrors, and Pages over who should control and thus profit off this new invention. edited by Anne Auclair on 4/11/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Lady Sapho Byron Posts: 770 4/11/2017	Let us not forget Mr Wines, whose domains include Entertainment and Music (played to accompany the silent films). -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Lady%20Sapho%20L%20Byron Fighting the Menace of Corsetry Since 1892.
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Henry 0th Posts: 27 4/11/2017	So within a few decades their may well be a Mr. Film. Or a Mousier Film, or a Herr Film, or even, if the masters are perticularly desperate a Fuhrer of flim.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/10/2017	Because film relies so much on light, the most natural Master would probably be the late Candles. Fires took all of Candles' domain that have to do with light, correct? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/10/2017	Come again? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 4/11/2017	I suspect that filming the Correspondence would just lead to the film catching fire, before you got as far as actually playing the movie. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/11/2017	PSGarak wrote: ProfessorDetective wrote: Querry: What would happen if you filmed Irrigo? Have you see the movie Men in Black? I bet it's like that flashy thing they had, except the light isn't red. But this is early black and white cinema we're talking about. You wouldn't really see Irrigo, because everything would just be shades of grey. edited by Anne Auclair on 4/11/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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GoingFTL Posts: 113 7/29/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: It seems worth mentioning that &quotmoving pictures&quot make an appearance in one of the new chess option s, wherein one tries to recall a particular Surface memory acquired in the Nadir. It appears the train has arrived well ahead of its schedule. . edited by Anne Auclair on 7/28/2017 There were videos before 1896. It's possible your character has seen one of them, but it only picked up commercially with the train. Also: 180 days to go!
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ProfessorDetective Posts: 50 9/28/2017	I don't know if the writer of this one read our thread or if this is just coincidence, but... (http://community.failbettergames.com/topic25216-octobers-exceptional-story-the-stone-guest.aspx) Light, Camera, Action in the Neath! edited by ProfessorDetective on 9/28/2017 -- Contact: The Academic Investigator. Call ahead. Lodgings disorderly.
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John Moose Posts: 276 9/28/2017	Fair warning, Saklad: I'm coming to kidnap you to be my personal FBG-oracle.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 5/1/2017	al2o3cr wrote: ForScience wrote: Henry 0th wrote: Optimatum wrote: AU where the Masters are all cinematographers instead of megachiropterans They can be both. Presumably each genre of film with have its own master. So they'll be a Mr. action, Mr. Rom Com (that's probably wines) Mr. Heist film (stones) Mr. underdog sports story likely having a blemmigan player Mr. this thing is popular right now lets make a movie about it that will come out at least year after all interest has faded, Mr. found footage flims etc. etc. Mr Cheap Pulpy Sci-FivB-Movie Starring Some Guy in a Rubber Suit is CLEARLY the best one Wait until someone tries to make a movie like that with huge, terrifying bats as the monsters Like the situation depicted in "Shadow of the Vampire" but with the Vake instead of Nosferatu. That could get... messy. Audiences want realism. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 7/28/2017	It seems worth mentioning that "moving pictures" make an appearance in one of the new chess option s, wherein one tries to recall a particular Surface memory acquired in the Nadir. It appears the train has arrived well ahead of its schedule. . edited by Anne Auclair on 7/28/2017 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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PSGarak Posts: 834 8/14/2017	The Lord Breakfast wrote: ProfessorDetective wrote: And another thought: You wouldn't need to use special effects for all but the goriest (decapitations, severe dismemberments, eviscerations) of death scenes. If it becomes standard practice for the Neath film industry to actually have actors die in death scenes, it could become a problem when those more gory deaths actually do come up. Or it could be very profitable for the families of suicidal tomb colonists. Or it might become practice to film more unusual deaths to be cut into more graphic films. Thoughts, anyone? I'm guessing many of y'all missed it, but this idea is the topic of the Bohemians Favor -> Renown conversion at 8-14. At least it's considered experimental art, not yet standard practice. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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BlabberingMat Posts: 385 8/10/2017	Optimatum wrote: Saklad wrote: I’m not suggesting you skip parts of the Discworld series, mind you. That’s the tenth book in the series, and you all should read them in order until that one. I'm offended by the suggestion that the Discworld series actually has a concrete order. At best there's the various sub-series with individual chronology but Moving Pictures is one of the standalone books. Amen to this, really. There is no reason whatsoever to read Discworld in order. Just grab the first book that catches your eye. You won't regret. -- Alt-Lana Loter Main-Always Drunk Slav "To see a world in a grain of sand, and Heaven in wild flowers. To hold an infinity in palm of hand and Eternity in an hour” Finally, I am Crooked Cross! Feel free to send invitations for Salon! As of June 5th, 1895, I am London's newest Legendary Charisma! The current progress in Mega Soul Grind: 53727/1 639 121 Souls
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xKiv Posts: 846 8/11/2017	BlabberingMat wrote: Amen to this, really. There is no reason whatsoever to read Discworld in order. Just grab the first book that catches your eye. You won't regret. I had the best reason to read them in order. I read them as they got published. -- https://www.fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/xKiv - a witchful, percussive, dangermous and shadowry scholar of coexplodence, hopsidirean, and walker of fallen kitties.
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/29/2017	Wouldn't the Masters be more like the advertisers who sustain the mediums of film and television and use them to saturate the living world with images of their commodities? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 4/28/2017	AU where the Masters are all cinematographers instead of megachiropterans -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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GoingFTL Posts: 113 4/11/2017	What'll happen in seven days? We can recover from death, we can recover from insanity, and even being sent to an eternity of torment isn't that bad, as someone might pay for your freedom.
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GoingFTL Posts: 113 4/11/2017	Let's hope someone from Failbetter sees this.. February, maybe? But what exactly could it be about?
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 4/11/2017	Like as not Mr. Veils will, in time, lay claim to the name "Mr. Film". -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Anne Auclair Posts: 2215 4/11/2017	Catherine Raymond wrote: Like as not Mr. Veils will, in time, lay claim to the name "Mr. Film". On what basis? Film theaters don't even have curtains! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Anne%20Auclair
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 4/11/2017	Anne Auclair wrote: Catherine Raymond wrote: Like as not Mr. Veils will, in time, lay claim to the name "Mr. Film". On what basis? Film theaters don't even have curtains! Ah, but Mr. Veils's metier is not primarily cloth, but entertainment, especially of a frivolous nature. Film certainly qualifies, as does prostitution (ably supplied to FL by him via Sinning Jenny and her ladies). -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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PSGarak Posts: 834 4/11/2017	Now I'm wondering if the Masters' names are meaningful or just incidental. They are, after all, beings that value bargaining and trades. Perhaps they fight and haggle over the different industries, and then adopt names or identities based on what stakes they have managed to claim. If so, cinema would be an open fight among all of them, with similarity to existing industries merely being a bargaining chip. On the opposite end of the spectrum, it's entirely possible the division of responsibilities has the weight of Law. Some contracts in the Neath are binding in a much more significant sense than the agreements usually made by mortals. In that case, it might matter how the idea of cinema is expressed in the Correspondence. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/PSGarak
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suinicide Posts: 2409 4/11/2017	They seem to change their names depending on the most popular trades in their jurisdictions. I believe Mr. Barley and Mr. Granite were shown as examples. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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