Rostygold
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2/13/2017
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I am quite sure that there might be a thread on this already, but then, nobody took the username "Rostygold".
So anyway, I have some suggestions regarding the Renown 25 and Renown 40 Items.
Firstly, the Renown 25 item: it would be a special bowler hat, given by Sherlo- - the Honey-Addled Detective.
Narrative Fluff: He has heard of your reputation and he invites you over for "tea", but of course he isn't making tea but doing chemical experiments. You and he have a chat over theories and such, and eventually he moves on to the subject matter of disguises. While he was rifling through his stuff, he came upon said bowler hat. For a brief moment, a mix of emotions pass over his gaunt face, and a near imperceptible stroking of the hat. He regains his composure and hands you the bowler hat, suggesting that you might want to add it to your repertoire of disguises. You notice that it would have fitted somebody else's head other than his. It smelled faintly of antiseptic.
Gameplay Properties: Watchful +7, Respectable +1 (this would fill a missing gap in the range of hats)
Secondly, the Renown 40 item: this would be a glove item, and you would have to sail your law-abiding butt over to Polythreme.
Narrative Fluff: The Implacable Detective has heard of your reputation and thinks that you could do better with some more "handy" help. After a long chat about theories and being bull-headly stubborn in investigating things, she suggests that you should look up an "old friend" of hers who have retired over at Polythreme. So you sail over to Polythreme, and surprise, surprise, the old friend is a super-grade living glove. After telling it tales of your exploit (thus spending all your 7 Favours), it decides it wants to come out of retirement and follow you back to London.
Gameplay Properties: Watchful +10, Respectable +1 (this would fill a missing gap in the range of gloves)
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Rostygold wrote:
While he was rifling through his stuff, he came upon said bowler hat, and for a brief moment, a mix of emotions pass over his gaunt face, and a near imperceptible stroking of the hat. He regains his composure and hands you the bowler hat, suggesting that you might want to add it to your repertoire of disguises. You notice that it would have fitted somebody else's head other than his. It smelled faintly of antiseptic.
...I'm not crying; you're crying.
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PSGarak
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I'm a strong proponent of the Corpsecage Theory, and I think that the name "Place Where they Bury the Bodies" sounds like it could fit but it's not definitive. I will say it definitely sounds like the name of a 40-Renown item. The names of these items tend to be elaborate and evocative.
Hellish Hymn does not sound like the name of a 40-Renown item to me. I'm guessing that's the 25-Renown item, which will probably be found in Ladybones Road where the Embassy is located. Remember, last time they released Renown items they teased the a 25-Renown item because the name was just so awesome (Defenestrating Boots!  ).
My secret hope is that the 10-Renown item for hell is a +4 Watchful companion called the Undergoat.
This is, of course, assuming that they follow the pattern established by previous factions. I'm kind of hoping they shake things up a little, because being too symmetric would be out of character for Fallen London.
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Rostygold
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Aldinth wrote:
Both sound more Bizarre than Respectable to me, except of that good idea.
Well, the glove could be as famous as the Implacable Detective is. Also, bowler hats are not bizarre - it was quite fashionable during the Victorian era and was worn by many of the working class.
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Rostygold wrote:
That someone only wrote one line of argument for this: the Urchins venerate Storm. And that's it - Failbetter swallowed that.
That's a rather doubtful suggestion (and a trifle offensive.) If a brief off-hand suggestion was all it took for Failbetter to write and implement new content, well, the game would be a deal larger than it is!
(For what it's worth... as a black site used by the Special Constables over a period of many years, I'd consider Corpsecage a perfectly plausible site for a Constables item, but at the moment, all we can do is speculate.)
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Like I say, there are thousands of suggestions for new content - they're bound to guess something correctly sooner or later. Even if the user comment was part of the inspiration, the sheer volume of suggestions that aren't implemented should serve as proof that FBG aren't in the habit of slavishly following others' lead without thinking about the consequences.
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PSGarak
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2/14/2017
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I agree that the Mind of a Long-Dead God is more likely to be a coincidence than FBG just taking player suggestions. The Urchins conversion had been planned for a long time before the community started deeply talking about that possibility. And I think every possibility was suggested at one point or another, so no matter what they decided it would have looked like someone suggested it. It just happened to be controversial.
What you're saying about Corpsecage Island not reflecting the Constables as a whole is entirely valid. Nonetheless, that's not a showstopper. You can frame it as an Internal Affairs investigation, or a former Special Constable having regrets about their own underhanded tactics. Both of those would also easily explain the mechanical requirement of spending favors.
I don't think the remoteness of the location is noteworthy. A Voyage of Scientific Discovery is a main-line quest. A high-level player "should" have access to it and have visited it at least once.
(I will entirely admit my advocacy of Corpsecage Island is me falling in love with my own idea, regardless of the actual merits. Nonetheless, I think the merits are there.)
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Rostygold
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2/14/2017
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I'd see the detective as the 10 item, the 25 item being at the end of a spinning the wheels, and the 40 being locked behind the ratwork velocpede.
I, for one, would not like another round of the treatment which was done for the Rubbery Men again.
Also, you would need to think of the narrative fluff to fit the places which you suggested. Furthermore, there are people who have already locked themselves out of the carousels which you mentioned - myself included. (Or at least one of my player characters.)
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Rostygold
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2/14/2017
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The Master wrote:
To be honest the main issue was probably just that it was unexpected, if I had enough rubbery men connections to get to 40 renown I would be pretty pissed off to find out that it is also fate locked even though it really shouldn't have been for a feature like this.
I, for one, did expect that Flute Street is going to be one of the places to look - this is too significant from a narrative point of view.
That said, having the Renown 40 item somehow tied to the Velocipede Squad does not seem appropriate to me. If you have done the Fate-locked story (I had, thanks to some free Fate shenanigans), that squad is so, so NOT model policemen, even though they are considered informally to be the elite of the police force. (The actual "elite" of the police force are the Special Constables - though their allegiances are not necessarily to the rest of the police force.)
Therefore, there are also narrative issues with sticking the Renown 40 items to the Velocipede Squad.
Besides, there are already two significant personae who are associated with the London Constabulary: Sherlo-... the Honey-Addled Detective, and the Implacable Detective. They are so much cooler and more sophisticated than snuff-snorting blokes who spend their free time in publican houses - or preening their moustaches.
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Ben
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I'd see the detective as the 10 item, the 25 item being at the end of a spinning the wheels, and the 40 being locked behind the ratwork velocpede.
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Grenem
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2/14/2017
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The Master wrote:
Rostygold wrote:
Ben wrote:
I'd see the detective as the 10 item, the 25 item being at the end of a spinning the wheels, and the 40 being locked behind the ratwork velocpede.
I, for one, would not like another round of the treatment which was done for the Rubbery Men again.
Also, you would need to think of the narrative fluff to fit the places which you suggested. Furthermore, there are people who have already locked themselves out of the carousels which you mentioned - myself included. (Or at least one of my player characters.)
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Failbetter got some pretty negative response with the rubbery renown 40 item, I also doubt they would try to do this again.
I see no problem with it being a tie for best-in-slot, but it's kind of annoying for best-in-slot to be both fate-locked and requiring a large quantity of effort. Which isn't inherently a problem, but I think that's worth noting. On the other hand, if it fits thematically, I don't have an issue with it.
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PSGarak
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I shall once again hypothesize that the Constables 40-Renown Item is to be found Corpsecage Island. It is of the appropriate remoteness, and has existing ties to the faction.
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The Master
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Rostygold wrote:
Ben wrote:
I'd see the detective as the 10 item, the 25 item being at the end of a spinning the wheels, and the 40 being locked behind the ratwork velocpede.
I, for one, would not like another round of the treatment which was done for the Rubbery Men again.
Also, you would need to think of the narrative fluff to fit the places which you suggested. Furthermore, there are people who have already locked themselves out of the carousels which you mentioned - myself included. (Or at least one of my player characters.)
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Failbetter got some pretty negative response with the rubbery renown 40 item, I also doubt they would try to do this again.
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Ben wrote:
I'd see the detective as the 10 item, the 25 item being at the end of a spinning the wheels, and the 40 being locked behind the ratwork velocpede.
Until now, the first is on the card, 25 is a regular location w/o any other requirements and, depending on the outcome, you may lock the Velocipede carousel.
Don't give FBG ideas, mate!
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Aldinth
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Both sound more Bizarre than Respectable to me, except of that good idea.
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Grenem
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2/14/2017
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Rostygold wrote:
suinicide wrote:
...no other place that relates to them, that hadn't already been used for items.
There is the Cave of the Nadir. There are some Urchins in there, and there is at least one Urchin outside who knows it is there, and the player character can sell the location to them.
There were other narratively appropriate alternatives, and the item from the cave wouldn't have been more bizarre than dream-lightning.
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
... If a brief off-hand suggestion was all it took for Failbetter to write and implement new content, well, the game would be a deal larger than it is!
The brief suggestion was to include the item in an existing piece of content (namely the Mind of a Dead God), and the actual implementation was a storylet with two options. I commend Failbetter for having two options instead of just one, but I don't think that this made the game "a deal larger than it is".
In other words, that suggestion wasn't asking Failbetter to crank out plenty of new stuff - it was just a suggestion to insert what it is going to implement in a place with a narrative connection.
Yes, but in the same breath, it's just as plausible that they'd already had the idea well before. The nadir may have urchins, but the only faction with ties to storm is the urchins [perhaps the zailors or masters, but on much less friendly terms, so...]
It's not inconcievable that it was a case of great minds think alike, or fools seldom differ; not a matter of them going with a suggestion just because they could. In fact, it seems more likely that it was just that.
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Rostygold wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
... If a brief off-hand suggestion was all it took for Failbetter to write and implement new content, well, the game would be a deal larger than it is!
The brief suggestion was to include the item in an existing piece of content (namely the Mind of a Dead God), and the actual implementation was a storylet with two options. I commend Failbetter for having two options instead of just one, but I don't think that this made the game "a deal larger than it is".
In other words, that suggestion wasn't asking Failbetter to crank out plenty of new stuff - it was just a suggestion to insert what it is going to implement in a place with a narrative connection.
I fear you've misunderstood me. I'm saying that the decision to put an Urchin item there was made independently of the suggestion to do so, because there are thousands of suggestions for new content - if Failbetter followed them, instead of making their own decisions, the game would be overflowing with user ideas.
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Rostygold
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Rostygold, do you have another idea for where to put it? I can only think of corpsecage and prison, and asking someone to be arrested twice for renown items seems rather cruel with its permanent effects.
My first thought was to find some place somehow associated with the Constabulary in terms of lore in any way too! Yet all of them sounded too far off thematically. The Constabulary is really a respectable but otherwise modest and mundane faction - nothing terribly weird about them.
I don't think that a lore-connected place would do here - hence my suggestion of having the Renown 40 item tied to a Constabulary-connected person and then which leads to a not-human friend in a not-human place - conveniently one of the living glove series whose materials originate from Polythreme.
Just think out of the box.
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I can't say I had Starsky and Hutch explicitly in mind when I wrote it (plus, as we all know, the sky is quite starless these days, and the hutch has been raided for rations), but of course I was affected sentimentally by your enigmatic but touching depiction of an apparently heartbroken Holmes and a conspicuously absent Watson!
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Azothi
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Its not exactly far out there in a hard to get place, but I could see the renowned 40 item for the constabulary being "A record of your knighting for service to London", which would be gained by visiting the Queen. Main reason I suggest this, comes from the being allowed back into the palace storyline coming out sometime this year hopefully. As you noted, it's not that far away or particularly out of London, so I'd think the Empress's Court is more of a place to put a Renown 25 item, and the problem with using it for the Constables is that the conversion is coming very soon towards the beginning of June. While it's possible that the Empress's Court will be back by then, I'd not count on it.
I could see your idea of knighthood as a Renown item for Society, though, since they'll be receiving the conversion later this summer.
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folklore364
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Azothi wrote:
folklore364 wrote:
Its not exactly far out there in a hard to get place, but I could see the renowned 40 item for the constabulary being "A record of your knighting for service to London", which would be gained by visiting the Queen. Main reason I suggest this, comes from the being allowed back into the palace storyline coming out sometime this year hopefully. As you noted, it's not that far away or particularly out of London, so I'd think the Empress's Court is more of a place to put a Renown 25 item, and the problem with using it for the Constables is that the conversion is coming very soon towards the beginning of June. While it's possible that the Empress's Court will be back by then, I'd not count on it.
I could see your idea of knighthood as a Renown item for Society, though, since they'll be receiving the conversion later this summer.
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That honestly would make more sense for knighthood to be a society item.
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