Lord Garuda
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1/23/2017
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Hey all, I pretty much registered to say that I enjoy Sunless Sea a lot (I think I might have 300+ hours on Steam?) and I've been interested in seeing this game come to fruition. In particular I wanted to say that I'm really excited and a bit scared that there are stories with lingering consequences between games and captains. On the one hand, I've done some absolutely atrocious and game ending things in Sunless Sea so that I could see the text associated with them, and it would be a bit sad to have to restart completely to see new options. On the other hand, this is unexplored territory for me and I'm curious to see where you all go with it.
There are a few other thoughts that I have regarding the Kickstarter, but I just wanted to say thanks for making one of my favorite games and that I'll definitely be funding if I can. I live in America so the conversion from our dollars to pounds is not insignificant for the higher rewards, but I can tighten my best for a couple of weeks if need be.
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Silverias
Posts: 123
1/23/2017
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Will both copies of the game received through rewards offer the backer DLC?
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1/23/2017
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I haven't read through the whole discussion, but I'd like to echo the thoughts of those who are disappointed at the lack of some FL reward. I've got some more money to splurge this time around, but honestly nothing at the $30 or $75 (pretend it's a pound sign; I'm workin' on a Murican' keyboard) seems all that appealing. If there was some exclusive FL content or a story involved, I might be more convinced to dish out, but right now I think I'll just sit tight at the base game tier.
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Malcolm Harris
Posts: 35
1/24/2017
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I was quite pleased to learn that Planescape: Torment is an influence. The game had one of a few worlds that I've read of which have matched Fallen London in its bizarre wonder.
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Hannah Flynn
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Posts: 491
1/24/2017
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Significant (but not final) update to rewards today, gang!
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Barse
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1/24/2017
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I read all of the reasons and tuned into the most recent podcast after leaving my feedback on the KS page, and now that I properly understand more of the reasons for why certain things have or have not been done (especially Fallen London content - while a lot of people were expecting it and were prepared to pay for it, when it comes down to a choice between KS stories or more proper, full-fledged and free stories being released as a part of the normal FL schedule, it all makes far more sense), most of my concerns have been addressed and/or ameliorated.
In addition, the extra things that have been added recently seem super cool! The addition of an extra tier between £30 and £75 is a great sight, and the cosmetic extras are a really good way to assuage some fan's collect-em-all desire to own all content without eating up as much dev time as writing whole stories.
TL;DR: I think the whole page looks fab now, and I don't really have any more concerns. Bring on Feb, and huge kudos for balancing a lot of our often completely opposing wishes! :P
(Edit: not to suggest that the art doesn't take time and money - Paul's work is always fantastic and I shudder to think how much work goes into a game like Sunless Sea for a team of one or two artists! Just that it'll take less time and money, for less staff, than art&words&gameplay balances.)
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Saklad
Posts: 528
1/24/2017
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The tier with all the exclusive content has two copies of the game, so I’m probably going to get that and split the cost with a friend. I look forward to it.
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Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751
1/24/2017
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Hannah Flynn wrote:
Significant (but not final) update to rewards today, gang!
The Diabolical Pack probably should have 2 Scouts and 1 Rabbits, considering that the previous tower also have 2 Scouts.
Or is it the another way round? Just one Scout for The Archivist?
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MidnightVoyager
Posts: 858
1/24/2017
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I would definitely rather have stuff like ambition updates and final profession levels etc much more than Kickstarter exclusives. *thumbs up*
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Optimatum
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1/24/2017
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If the Diabolical Pack is supposed to have two Scouts, would it also have two Rabbits?
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
1/25/2017
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Hannah Flynn wrote:
Significant (but not final) update to rewards today, gang!
Oh, this is much better. The addition of the Diabolic Pack nicely rounds out the under 100 pound options. Gone is that awkward gap between 30 pounds (lore book) and 75 (t-shirt). A unique Sunless Sky mascot was just what was needed.
Hannah Flynn wrote:
When planning a Kickstarter it's bad form to release all of your stretch goals and social goals upfront. We have balanced the whole campaign, including the currently-unseen goals, and will reveal them throughout the campaign when initial goals are met. The implication in revealing a Fallen London social reward is that there will be further ones. We predict that we'll reach 2,000 backers in the first week, so of course we have to release the Royal Society information straight away.
I hope that goes some way to explaining, as I can't really tell you any more.
Okay, so it's all planned out. The current goal is 2,000 and once that's met the next goal will be released. Cool. that's exactly what I wanted to know ^_^
Sorry if I'm asking rather obvious questions, but this is my first kickstarter.
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I hope you'll trust that we're doing the best we can to make the KS interesting to a wide range of players, and that we have fun ideas in store. It's our fun ideas you're interested in, I hope!
Oh, I'm very interested!
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
1/25/2017
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FL kickstarter exclusive companion: Takes time and energy away from writing new FL content, is unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends
SSk kickstarter exclusive companion(s): Doesn't take much time and energy away from writing new SSk content, is not unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends.
I'm sorry, I really have accepted the decision, I'm just...having trouble understanding the reasoning behind what is essentially the same item for both games being treated so differently.
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Pumpkinhead
Posts: 516
1/25/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
FL kickstarter exclusive companion: Takes time and energy away from writing new FL content, is unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends
SSk kickstarter exclusive companion(s): Doesn't take much time and energy away from writing new SSk content, is not unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends.
I'm sorry, I really have accepted the decision, I'm just...having trouble understanding the reasoning behind what is essentially the same item for both games being treated so differently.
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Because this is a SSkies kickstarter, not a FL one. I think they're just trying to keep the games separate.
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Frederick Metzengerstein
Posts: 69
1/25/2017
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Though I'd still like and pay for (take my money! Take it!) an FL companion, I just want to say I am glad Failbetter have added a SSkies companion. Thank you Failbetter and Salt, Stone and Storm bless.
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suinicide
Posts: 2409
1/25/2017
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They don't want people who don't want SSkies dropping 100 dollars to out of obligation to fallen london, this is actually really nice of them and I'd actually like to say thanks for this.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
1/25/2017
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If people who don't want SSk also don't want to donate just to get something for FL they don't have to. Why does it have to be taken away from those of us who do? Why can't people just not purchase something they don't feel is worth the money?
If you're not going to get it either way, what difference does it make if somebody else can?
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suinicide
Posts: 2409
1/25/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
If people who don't want SSk also don't want to donate just to get something for FL they don't have to. Why does it have to be taken away from those of us who do? Why can't people just not purchase something they don't feel is worth the money?
If you're not going to get it either way, what difference does it make if somebody else can?
What i am trying to say is I would rather not drop a hundred dollars for fallen london stories and I am thankful I don't have to do that because that's quite a bit for one purchase. Locking FL content behind such a massive paywall starts to reek of the "fee to pay" problem and I'm glad FBG isn't doing that.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
1/25/2017
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I'd agree if it were a bunch of extensive content, but I'm just talking about a single kickstarter reward. And the paywall might not even be that massive...the amount I gave was just what I myself would have been willing to pay.
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Anne Auclair
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1/25/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
FL kickstarter exclusive companion: Takes time and energy away from writing new FL content, is unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends
SSk kickstarter exclusive companion(s): Doesn't take much time and energy away from writing new SSk content, is not unfair to those who will be locked out of it after the kickstarter ends.
I'm sorry, I really have accepted the decision, I'm just...having trouble understanding the reasoning behind what is essentially the same item for both games being treated so differently.
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Opportunity costs. Failbetter only has so much time and attention, and they have to divide it between Fallen London, Sunless Sea, the Silver Tree, and Sunless Sky. The Fallen London plate is full, so adding more Fallen London content would mean something has to be subtracted to make up for it. Plus, they don't seem to think that offering exclusive Fallen London kickstarter content is the best or most efficient way to attract kickstarter backers, build the Failbetter brand, or contribute to Fallen London, based on their plans and survey information.
That's how I read Hannah's posts anyway.
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Why does it have to be taken away from those of us who do?
Also, nothing has been taken away, what is being offered is just slightly different from previous kickstarters, that's all.
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1/25/2017
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Hmm. The addition of an ingame mascot is nice (although I'm still sad about the no-FL content decision), but if I may make a suggestion: add a tier that gives the mascot + ship + single copy and price it at 25 pounds or something. Or I guess that's pricing the mascot at 10 pounds, which sounds a little excessive, so maybe throw in the digital rewards as well. I like the idea of a demonic rabbit gnawing angrily at the captain's chair, but I personally have no use for two copies of the game. I'd rather splurge adding more fancy stuff to a single game than a second copy that I'll never use.
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