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1/6/2017
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The Wicket is open and it seems like a reasonable time to open the new season of the IroNoman Marathon challenge. I am doing it a bit earlier this year than Erika did last year because there was some consternation last time about the changes to the process so I thought some additional lead-in time would not go amiss.
First a quick note to any new players who may not know what this is about. In Penstock's Wicket you can buy a Noman. Every week your Noman will degrade на by a random amount and you can spend increasingly large amounts of resources to keep it alive. Any player can get a Noman and can get fun story out of it. In addition the Noman Storyline can grant a valuable item and hard to obtain Quirks. None of this requires keeping Noman alive for very long. However the truly dedicated can keep the Noman alive all the way until the next seasonal event - The Feast of the Rose. If they succeed they get a special tattoo, which is considered to be among the highest achievements of the game. WARNING: This is very much intended for endgame players. It is highly unlikely that you can achieve this unless you have prepared for this event with dedication.
This thread is intended to:- Keep the list of those players who are participating
- Keep track of those players' starting resources
- Keep track of the changing costs of the Noman and its rates of decay
- Discuss strategy and any changes to the content
An important note about expectations. The rate of Noman's decay is 1) random, 2) progressively increasing and 3) non-linear. We do not have the extact formula and Failbetter have explicitly stated the adjustments are made manually with regard to the previous year's success. This is hard and is likely to be harder than last year. Any inferences we make from past data is speculative only and if you rely on it to plan your strategy you do so at your own risk! Failbetter have not made any promises or guarantees. You should only do this if you are prepared to run the risk of losing vast resources and not achieving your aim or if you are confident that you have *over* prepared (rather than merely prepared in line with historical data).
Secondly, last year there was some doubt as to whether a thread like this should exist at all. The suggestion was that somehow Failbetter was tracking our performance and then moving the goalposts in the process. This is *not* true.
All those caveats out of the way, here is some of the relevant info. Feel free to discuss and report your Noman decay rates.
Please report your Noman decay rates quoting the time/date of your TTH in GMT format (as that's the Failbetter timezone)
Attempting
Genesis (SUCCESS) (50 pails + 2 ToL -> 556 NF; 375 NF at survival)
Barselaar (SUCCESS)
Gonen (SUCCESS)
idyl (SUCCESS)
James Sinclair (SUCCESS)
Scienceandponies (SUCCESS) (18 pails, 5 tears, 18 ToL)
navchaa (SUCCESS) (26 pails, 13 tears)
xenopus (SUCCESS)
hwoosh (SUCCESS)
CameoAppearance (SUCCESS)
Reshemin (SUCCESS
Flimflam (SUCCESS)
hellaGumshoe (SUCCESS)
alwaysmetara (SUCCESS)
Erika (SUCCESS)
Kaosu (SUCCESS)
Bootsy Fallens (SUCCESS)
Tattoo bearers (If I am missing anyone, please let me know)
NiteBrite
bjorntfh
Màiread
Sir Joseph Marlen
An Individual
colinsapherson
xenopus
Toran
LawrenceKeyworth
Erika
Mordaine Barimen
Kalix
Loiathal
hwoosh
CameoAppearance
Penstock's Wicket opens - 06/01/17
Urchins stop selling pails - 23/01/17
One week Pail melt warning appears - 24/01/17 (or, possibly, 23/01/17)
Penstock's Wicket closes - 01/02/17
Feast of the Exceptional Rose - 06/02/17
Lilac appears - 13/02/17
Noman price and decay rate watch
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Prices (fixed cost: 1 Skyglass Knife, 3 Insights, 3 Lessons)
06.01 - 3 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
07.01 - 3 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
08.01 - 3 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
09.01 - 5 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
10.01 - 5 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
11.01 - 5 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
12.01 - 5 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber
13.01 - 7 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
14.01 - 7 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
15.01 - 9 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
16.01 - 9 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
17.01 - 9 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
18.01 - 9 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
19.01 - 9 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
20.01 - 12 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
21.01 - 12 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
22.01 - 12 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Warm Amber
23.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
24.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
25.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
26.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
27.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
28.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
29.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
30.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
31.01 - 15 ToL, 1 x Deep Amber, 1 x Pulsating Amber
Decay rates (Reported ranges)
10.01 - 21-50
15.01 - 36-65
23.01 - 51-80
30.01 - 51-80
01.02 - 91-120
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Màiread
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It works like this:
Once Lilac arrives, people who have already met her and been tattooed once can go straight to the FQ to obtain a second tattoo in exactly the same manner as their first. This tattoo becomes 'a second skin bound memory', listed under 'circumstance'. (If you want, you can also pay a little Fate to reset the conversation at the theatre and give a different, Noman-specific answer to her question).
Having a second skin-bound memory of any value (so whatever tattoos you like) causes two new storylets to appear at Millicent's parlour. One of these is called 'An incident: get a private tattoo of your noman', which does not require the face in the snow tattoo, but does need a living noman. Playing this storylet gives you the gant tattoo, which is listed under 'accomplishments', and also gives the 'an incident at Millicent's' quality which locks you out from the other storylet which last year just gave a primeval hint.
Nothing is guaranteed to be the same year on year, especially this story, but last year if you did have a burning desire to get a second tattoo that wasn't the face in the snow you could have got something else and still had the gant tattoo done. The gant tattoo was new last year, so we didn't know this going in.
What you can't do is get two of the BDR tattoos in the same year - getting one skin-bound memory gives you the 'a recent visit to Millicent's' which locks you from getting another until the quality is gone, which happens through a living story after the Feast is over. The 'recent visit' and 'incident' qualities are separate, so you can have one of each. If you are only getting your first skin-bound memory this year, however, you cannot have an 'incident' at all and so are locked out of the gant tattoo.
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1/24/2017
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CD\FALLEN LONDON\BAZAARSIDESTREETS\PENSTOCKSWICKET\SUNDEREDSEA
RUN NOMAN.BAT
BEGINNING NOMAN BOOT SEQUENCE....
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DEEP AMBER....................ONLINE
PULSATING AMBER..........ONLINE
SKYGLASS KNIFE.............ONLINE
ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL
CURRENT NOMAN'S FRIEND CHARGE LEVEL: 100
COMMENCE LACRE CHARGING SEQUENCE...........
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1/26/2017
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Well, the end of my Noman certainly generated a proper feeling of loss. Having reached Noman Knows 15, poured a vial of tears down his throat as a safeguard while waiting for the last card, TTH hit and removed 60 Noman's Friend.
Ruining the carpet of one's lodgings was never so expensive.
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genesis
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1/6/2017
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Idyl, I am not FBG so can't speak authoritatively but what Chris meant, I believe, is that they readjust the decay rate based on the previous year's data. But they do it in a planned manner (likely, deciding on the rate well before the season even starts) and not in response to the day-to-day activity during the current season.
The main point is that FL is a living game, as you say, and constantly changes but FBG does not move goal posts *mid-game* or grief players for griefing's sake
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Màiread
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1/7/2017
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Regarding wicket closure, there are no guarantees but I believe the last day for Noman purchase last year was the 25th, the last price hike being on the 23rd. I made Peggy on the 20th, before the final hike, because of when my TTH fell. Personally I'd be disinclined to do too much brinkmanship with the wicket - after all your preparation it'd be a shame to miss out on the chance at victory for the sake of one TTH. Obviously the fewer hits you take from time the greater your chance of survival, so later is better, but you'll probably only have around 48 hours from the maximum price to act.
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2/7/2017
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You've lost 99x Noman's Friend.
Well, we're in the home stretch folks - good luck to all!
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James Sinclair
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2/13/2017
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I've now been inked in gant with a tattoo of my noman! Whether you succeeded or not, congratulations to all who competed in the IroNoman competition. Now it's time to hunt down that elusive Lady in Lilac...
Analysis: I too ended up significantly over-preparing: I started with 35 pails, 28 Tears of the Bazaar, and 20 Taste of Lacre. Creating the Noman in the final possible week brought me down to 5 Taste, and I examined all pails with a monocle and traded them in for Noman's friend using the Noman's Progress card. I also used Tears to increase taste, and had fantastic luck with them (gaining over 20 Taste while losing only two vials of Tears). I had intended on expending more Tears, but ended up stopping when I had 435 Noman's Friend, with 3 Taste of Lacre and 26 Tears remaining in reserve. Due to a lucky placement of Time, the Healer (Tuesday afternoon), I've had only two weeks of melting, losing a total of 153 Noman's Friend.
Interestingly, this means that with perfect hindsight I only needed to use a mere 5 pails (when combined with my initial 5 Taste, the starting 100 Noman's Friend, and no use of Tears). This is actually fewer pails then I got for free from various the christmas events. But to cut it that close would have been ridiculous, so even with the added cost of all of all those pails, I'm perfectly satisfied with the outcome.
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2/13/2017
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AN UPDATE: For those who are curious, I decided to go ahead with getting a second Gant Noman tattoo. Storynexus seemed to glitch out a little bit when listing the new total "quantity" of the Gant Noman tattoo quality, as seen in this screenshot:
But if you go to R Fellow Oswho's mantelpiece (the link in my signature was broken due to that recent update that broke profile URLS, but I've fixed it), it correctly displays the quantity as 2. Good times! I'm going to do the same with my other main character, hwoosh.
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Siankan
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3/21/2017
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Gone, gone the Noman!
Gone the white mirror, gone the Face
I wore in lacre, Me in Snow.
Gone is the snow that saw the Spring.
Gone, gone the Noman!
Melted and gone, though I loved, though it loved,
Though it lived! A moment that faced dissolution
And dared to claim at the last, I'll be free!
Free, free the Noman!
Though Cider and Mountain should flow in my veins,
Though I rewrite the Judgments, remake the stars,
I will envy at last, or will die, or will-
- "Penstock Elegy" by Prof. Sian Kan
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3/21/2017
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I guess you could say it was the third who walks behind.
And now it has joined its brethren.
I think I will leave the 0 x Noman up on my Mantle for a while. It seems fitting...
edited by Mordaine Barimen on 3/21/2017
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3/21/2017
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Idyl's Noman outlives mine by a scant few hours yet, but the time came for this patch of snow to melt into the Spring. In giving Nomen life we hang the spectre of death over them, yet in his brief time he saw many things, perhaps more than any others of his kind. He got to taste Spring - such as it is, down here in the Neath - before his time came, and when it did, he accepted it with grace.
Ink-in-Waiting, who grew latterly to choose his own name, 17th January - 21st March 1895.
Melodrama aside, this has been an extremely fun challenge. Congratulations to everyone who took a Noman to the Feast and beyond, thank you to everyone who cheered us on, and thank you to idyl, who made my poor lacre-golem's final weeks a lot less lonely. As the last of the Neath-snow melts, I wish everyone (a day late) a happy Spring!
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navchaa
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2/6/2017
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And Lilac turns up earlier than expected! I am very confident of nabbing my gant tattoo this year (assuming they are still giving them out).
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2/13/2017
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There are three principle reasons why you may want to go for the Gant tatoo over A pale visitor:
1) You would like a nice meaty all-caps (SUCCESS) next to your name in the OP
2) You would prefer a Searing Enigma over an Elemental Secret
3) You are hoping for a slim chance that Failbetter releases some special snippet of content in the future for people with two Gant Noman tattoos
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Barse
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3/14/2017
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Sorry for the double-post! idyl, I couldn't help myself - may our Nomen live and die together as we sail past the previous record.
You've lost 117 x Noman's Friend (new total 47 - The Noman is almost gone).
I have a sneaking suspicion the melts were kinder than last year's, but there we go.
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3/14/2017
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Barselaar wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion the melts were kinder than last year's, but there we go. I was under the impression that the melt rate was going to be much higher, overall. Maybe someone from last year can compare?
Anyway, here's from today's Time the Healer: "You've lost 141 x Noman's Friend (new total 35 - The Noman is almost gone)."
That means we've done it, Barselaar. Next Monday is the first day of Spring. I'm thinking on that day, in celebration, I shall do what's proper: give my poor Noman the Sense of an Ending. Might as well get an Elemental Secret out of it, rather than letting him melt for nothing. He's suffered long enough.
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Màiread
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2/13/2017
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Congratulations to everyone! I hope you enjoyed defeating death (even if only for a little while). May your tattoos keep you warm on cold nights.
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Peggy the Nowoman lived to see the Feast. Thank you for the memories, Snow Lady.
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2/14/2017
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AhahahAHAHAHAHAHA
You've gained 1 x A Private Tattoo of your Noman, Inscribed in Gant (new total ).
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2/15/2017
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idyl wrote:
For everyone who hasn't yet, please post your melting info from over the last few weeks. Quite happily so. Created the Lacre Golem on the 24th, had 17 pails and 14 tears back then. I then mostly just used the pails for only the initial ToL gain via monocle, and started happily huffing away until I had Taste at 11 (or 12 if the final huff blew up), then cashed in, rinse, repeat. That brought me... er, it to 484%. (*)
I decided I liked the looks of that number, so left it at that. The melting went like 75 on the 31th, 92 on the 7th, and now 116 on the 14th. It's still at 201%, so I'll be enjoying it's company for a little while longer. I also will continue to send it doing the negotiations with Lyme (for the Music-Hall Singer) and my groceries (for my Starveling Brats) while sleeping in for a change.
(*) I can't help but foster the admittedly dumb, but intriguing idea that the numbers should translate straight into mass - must be the thing with the initial 100 just screaming 'percentage'. And that leads me to the thought that over the last few weeks I not only had a 650+ lbs. version of myself stomping around the place, but also (especially!) how that must've been a show for the rare few onlookers witnessing our 'shopping sprees' - I think I'll put up a special presentation tonight. We'll be climbing the House Of Chimes, make a ruckus on the top and it will hold me in one of it's hands while swatting at angry bats with the other. Stay tuned for the headlines...
... well. Maybe I should visit Millicent first. And get her opinion on that. And a nice cup of tea with my tattoo. 
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3/7/2017
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Do it! Do it!
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3/7/2017
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Why stop with next week? Never stop grinding, the noman is all that matters now.
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3/7/2017
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A Correspondence Sign meaning, "Forever Melting Towards the Spring."
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3/7/2017
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Considering where my Noman's Friend is and the fact that I still have ToL and Tears left, I want to see if I can make it to Spring.
I just risked Warming my Tears and succeeded enough to reach 11 ToL, which I turned in on the Noman card (yeah, still drawing/holding that) for 33 more Noman's Friend. However, since I have no more Pails or ToL, that option is gone now. I still have Tears that I can offer up to "Give Sustenance to the Noman," but I don't think I need to.
I am currently sitting at 162 Noman's Friend. My next melt will be Tuesday the 14th, which will take up to 140 or 150 NF, if I had to guess. I can't imagine it being more than that, even with the price increasing each week. That would leave me with still a handful of NF, and my Noman will melt on the following Tuesday, March 21st, the second day of Spring.
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2/8/2017
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Skinnyman wrote:
Have a habit of checking peoples level and you blew me away! May I ask how much you invested in it? I started my preparations, but seems so useless when I saw your Noman after few TtH visits.
Even if it'll probably get harder next year I'm really happy to see so many people are doing great!
Altogether too much! I realised I had enough to guarantee survival in previous years, but I wasn't sure if the melt rate was gonna be bumped up this year, so instead I just decided to make the biggest buffest Noman I could possibly make. I guess I miss SMEN a bit, and pouring a load of valuables down a Noman's throat was the closest I could get to throwing them down a well again.
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2/13/2017
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xenopus wrote:
Did anyone echo the Pale Visitor? It was already around last year, but what does it do exactly?
It's just a bonus for those with 2 tattoos - it gives a Primeval Hint, and some lovely text.
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2/13/2017
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xenopus wrote:
Did anyone echo the Pale Visitor? It was already around last year, but what does it do exactly?
here:
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/dov?fromEchoId=11068298
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1/27/2017
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Gonen wrote:
6th of February, lasts two weeks. Can we derive the dates for Lilac's appearance based on that? (Assuming same as last years, and so on and so forth)
Most likely she'll show up ~halfway through, probably on the 14th which makes sense.
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2/13/2017
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We did it! Congrats to everyone who made it.
As an aside - I keep getting server error messages when trying to get my Gant Noman tattoo - is anyone else experiencing this, or is it just me? Support email sent, I'm just curious.
Edit: It seems to be some kind of issue with An Incident at Millicent's, as people are reporting the same with the Pale Visitor option. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon.
edited by Barselaar on 2/13/2017
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2/13/2017
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And... I've crossed the finish line! Noman tattoo is on my scrapbook, and echoed here: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/navchaa?fromEchoId=11067014
Bought the Noman at 9 ToL, spent 34 pails of snow and 15 tears on it. Started with 640 NF and am now at 406 NF. Waiting for my actions to refresh to get the gant tattoo.
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1/6/2017
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idyl wrote:
I'm not sure what evidence you have to make you certain that they won't adjust anything mid-season.
I don't have any evidence that this won't happen this year. I was saying that is not what happened last year. My personal view is that there is no rational basis to even suppose that might happen but, as you say, this is not backed by hard proof.
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I will also be attempting to get the Noman tattoo this year, and will post my weekly Noman's Friend loss rate once I've created a Noman.
However, I too prefer not to post the amount of supplies I've gathered, for reasons that have already been stated in this thread. For those who share my hesitancy, perhaps it might be better for us to delay posting this information until after the Feast of the Exceptional Rose has started? Then, those who are interested can compare the supplies gathered vs. rates of Noman's Friend loss, to better plan for next year.
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1/6/2017
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Just want to say good luck to everyone contending with death this year. Even with all the shenanigans obtaining my tattoos was one of my most memorable (if not exactly enjoyable) FL experiences. Feel free to hit me up for waves (I'm a correspondent) or moral support if you need it.
Love is sacrifice, true, but love also wins.
ETA: Luck, for heaven's sake, LUCK. Please don't lick your noman.
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1/13/2017
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The memory or my slushy mirror already marks my flesh in gant, but I wish the best of luck to this year's participants. May your Nomen persist beyond any reasonable date.
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James Sinclair
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1/13/2017
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xenopus wrote:
TtH comes on Tuesday afternoons for me, so that could potentially make it awkward if Lilac comes on the 14th indeed, as one extra TtH is a lot. This is why I'm planning to buy the Noman as late as possible.
Actually, if the Feast of the Exceptional Rose starts at noon GMT on this year's Valentine's Day (Tuesday, February 14th), this means you'll be hit by one less TtH, for purposes of Noman's Friend loss. It depends on your time zone, but if you time it right and assuming Lilac is available from the start of the Feast (and also assuming TtH is on time), you can in theory grab your tattoo(s) that day before TtH hits you.
(Disclaimer: that's a lot of assumptions, beware server outages and brinksmanship, etc.)
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1/15/2017
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My guide is extremely dated, it was written at a time when only 2 people had even made it to FoTER with the noman ever. There wasn't a lot of data (I worked hard to make sure we got so much data last year <3). I had made it on like 28ish tears and like 666 nomans friend, and the other person had used... like 60+? Yeah. We had 0 idea how much melt there was before that first year we made it through. My guide was the very first guide written to try and help others navigate the impossible and help bring it into reach of more folks. It was a 'we dont know much, but here's what we do if you think it might help' type of guide. And it worked pretty well actually! A lot of people made it through last year. But with all the heartache that came with changes and surprises last year and just how strongly it affected everyone I realized I wouldn't be able to make and maintain a truly accurate and always updated guide.
So it's sort of left in a state of never updating again. Consider it there as a historical reference, and some good general advice. The total noman's friend required for survival was actually in line with what would have been required if FBG -hadn't- refunded the melt increase. This is because last year melted faster -but- over a fewer number of weeks. So I think it should still be a pretty good watermark for baseline amounts of preparation required, but it is by no means a guarantee of success.
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1/25/2017
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Starting to feel downright confident. Already up to Noman's Friend: 340 with 6 pails and 3 tears left, and at this rate, I'll be able to use them all without issue. As far as I can tell, I've got to make it through 2 or 3 TTH (depending on how quick I am, as my TTH should hit soon after the festival starts). Unless these last few melts start hitting for substantially over 100 each, things should work out.
Well, now that I've gone and tempted fate...
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1/25/2017
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Wish you all good luck, lads!
Uh, Genesis, glad you put your Noman's friend and Buckets on profile; lovely!
Can't wait next year's to take part of this as well! Already have 3 tears and two whispers!
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1/17/2017
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Just bought my Noman as my next Time hits too close to the probable closing of the Wicket for me to feel comfortable. My first 5 huffs of Tears all got the 1/5 chance to consume the Tears. Please my compatriots, pray to the RNGods for better fortune, otherwise this poor snowy doppelgänger might not make it even halfway!
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navchaa
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1/18/2017
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After running the ToL count a few times, I realise that it's a waste to take the air in the wicket. The idea is to maximise the ToL per pail as the Noman card is of abundant frequency. Taking the air gives me 2 ToL rather than 3 for the same pail, so it's a bit of a waste unless you're short of actions or rushing to get Noman's friend up. I've found that for my circumstances, using NiteBrite's method of 1 pail to 3 ToL and then huff tears to 11 is the best. Turns out that the veterans do know something after all 
I bought my Noman with at least a week to melting, so ample time to draw the card; and a base of 33 pails and 14 tears. Each pail will give 3 ToL, so it doesn't matter whether to raise ToL using pails once or using them twice for each Noman card. I can always use up spare pails later using its own draw of the Noman card. Each tear gives a random number of ToL, so it's best to use them up earlier in case you run out of pails. You need at least 1 ToL to huff tears.
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1/18/2017
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genesis wrote:
I wouldn't say that applying Tears directly is a sub-optimal approach at all. It is simply a riskier approach.
The average ToL you get from one vial by warming it is 6, whereas the average ToL you get from one vial by feeding it is at least 13. So on average the latter is actually significantly better. What's more the latter option works even if you've run out of pails.
The problem with the latter option is that it's riskier. The best outcome is better but the worst outcome is worse. So it very much depends on your risk appetite.
Based on NiteBrite's guide, applying tears directly gives you Noman's friend, not ToL. One tear gives on average 6 ToL, which translates to 18 NF. Not sure how the numbers compute?
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Applying Tears directly gives between 1-25 Noman's Friend, at random. So consistently getting 18 per Tear on average via huffing is better than the 12ish per Tear via direct application.
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1/19/2017
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That's indeed not ideal.
But consider that of the 51 huffs you listed, the 14 eventual failures mean a failure rate of 14 / 51 = 27.45%. Definitely not desirable and disappointing, but not really that far off from the expected result of 20%, especially in such a small sample.
(Or to put it another way: with those 51 attempts, you could have expected 10.2 failures on average, and instead failed 14 times.)
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navchaa
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1/19/2017
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Thank you, dov! I wasn't sure how to do the maths (or whether I even wanted to). That makes me feel better. I'm hoping to grind out a couple more tears before my next TTH hits, so that might just take me to my goal before the melt. Fingers crossed!
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1/20/2017
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Well, as of now I had 17 attempts to warm Tears of Bazaar with 8 loses of Tears. That's 53% success... Far from your 4/5 :`(
EDIT: 11/23 attempts occurred with loses. What is this?...  (
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navchaa
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1/21/2017
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Gonen wrote:
17/40 failures. That's a success rate of 57% instead of 80%.
Only 4 more tears. I wonder if I should just give them to the Noman instead keep losing them.
Horrible.
Navchaa, thanks for the offer! I don't think i'll chase that one last Tear, especially with that odds..
EDIT: Gave the Tears. got 15, 19, 24 and 7 points. A lot more than what I would have got if used the huff technique with those odds.
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Yes I'm in the same situation where I'm more inclined to grind for more pails rather than tears. Having certainty on how much we're getting beats gambling especially so close to the end of the season.
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1/21/2017
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Awful luck.
But I don't think I'll do a sprint to get that one Tear which will give me... disappointment. Perhaps as Navchaa suggested - more pails (cheaper, too). Though with the new favour system, I need to grind that too.
Anyway, frustrating as it is (it is), it's just a game. No awful bad luck in real life, and that's important.
:p
Thank you both (and everyone else) for suggesting help on the matter.
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1/22/2017
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Incidentally, I assume noone's had the one week melt warning come with their TTH yet? Please speak up if someone has! Last year it'd come around now.
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1/24/2017
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Fashionably late but... I just got my TtH and decided to build one Snowman. For the larks, if nothing else. Still got more than a dozen pails'n tears left, so that cheapskate approach might actually work to get it into a certain parlour. (I've set a burnt offering, in the form of a cinnamon-flavoured tea light, in front of a very lucky harddisk now. Which has an equally lucky d20 on top. If that doesn't work...
...well I can always sacrifice a salmon, or something.)
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1/24/2017
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My Noman died at Port Carnelian earlier today. I thought it wasn't going to because TtH went by, dropped NF to 0, and I spent a few actions without it autofiring. Then it did.
Not that I was trying to keep it alive or anything. It was just odd that it didn't fire immediately.
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1/25/2017
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Welp, thanks to some good luck, I managed to get ToL 15 whilst saving one last pail of snow and 5 vials of tears. Which means (as long as the wicket doesn't sneak close or something) later tonight BRINKMAN THE NOMAN WILL LIVE! LONG LIVE THE BRINKMAN!
One question: the vial of tears wiki page states the noman can be fed tears only during christmas season, but I don't see any notice of that on the vial card itself, so what's the deal?
Edit: Actually, in an influx of sudden rationality, I'll just use the ToL to insta-grind 2-3 more tears in the Nadir for next year. Woe Brinkman! Woe! To be conceived of, yet unborn!
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1/16/2017
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I'm not going for the tattoo this year because I am woefully unprepared, but I'll throw my stats in for the baseline measure - I just got my little frozen buddy 2 days ago when Sacks finally got pinned and I was able to finish him up. Bought the noman (I'm calling him Wilbur) for 9 ToL, and yesterday evening when TTH came I lost 50 Nomans friend and have 50 remaining... Out of curiosity, for those who get their Noman and don't intend to take them all the way to the feast, when do you usually let it slip away?
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James Sinclair
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1/26/2017
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Gonen wrote:
If you are a spirifer, you can use the Heartless quirk and easily raise it back to 14 by handing souls to the devils (while making a nice EPA profit out of the deal)
You can do the same thing with the Magnanimous quirk if you're a C.V.R. member in the soul trade, to a max of level 15. Minus the profit, of course, but for what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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1/13/2017
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I am getting increasingly nervous about the price of the Noman and when TTH is going to show up. Over the span of the past few weeks, mine shifted from a fairly stable Monday midnight to Monday 5am to Tuesday morning. I can't remember when the latest TTH hit (notification email says Wednesday but I don't remember it being so late). I'm hoping to buy it at ToL 9 since I only have 10 at the moment. Very, very worried.
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1/13/2017
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I'm not going for the tattoo, but I'll add the Noman's melt info to help others:
TTH has just arrived for me (Jan 13, 5:30pm GMT).
Noman's Friend:
Was: 100
Loss: 43
Now: 57
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1/15/2017
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Ginneon Thursday wrote:
Has the math on this changed?
Yes, most likely it has. Nitebrite's guide was based on the old melting rate (from two years ago I believe?). FailBetter actually raised the melting rate last year, but there was a pretty loud crying out against it since they hadn't given any warning. They toned it down and offered to give back some of the Noman's Friend that had been lost due to the increased rate. This year, we're all but guaranteed to have a higher melting rate. What it will be as the weeks go on, we don't know yet.
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1/10/2017
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The Master wrote:
Put the Noman Tattoo on your profile(the option to do so should be under your character's picture in the myself tab) and either give your name or your profle so that others can see it.
Brilliant, thanks :-)
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1/11/2017
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The urchins will sell them to you at an expensive price, on their card.
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1/12/2017
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Hello fellow marathoners, I'm also in the process of stockpiling supplies to get the Gant tattoo. I currently have A Face in the Snow (i.e. the regular Noman tattoo), which became my first ever tattoo last year, locking me out of the Gant option. This year I would ideally like to get another random tattoo from Millicent, and then immediately follow through with the Incident option. (Thank you for the refresher on tattoos, Màiread!)
I'm also hesitant to publicly share my amount of supplies (PM is fine!) considering last year's debacle, and anyway it's not final yet since I am still buying Pails using Notability (so if anyone is available for MW-related actions, that would be very welcome).
TtH comes on Tuesday afternoons for me, so that could potentially make it awkward if Lilac comes on the 14th indeed, as one extra TtH is a lot. This is why I'm planning to buy the Noman as late as possible.
Good luck to all of us and may the changes (and NF loss!) not be too dramatic this year.
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1/7/2017
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I am thinking about going for a Noman this year. I have 3 Pails of Snow, 2 Tears of the Bazaar, and 21 Taste of Lacre. But I am unsure how best to balance the competing concerns. Is it better to pay more up front for the Noman, and have a shorter time span over which to keep it alive, or to conserve resources by buying the Noman early, and gamble on having enough Pails, Taste, and Tears to keep it alive 6 weeks?
As several commenters have said, much depends upon when the Pails will melt. I doubt that will be before the closing of the Wicket, but if one buys a Noman shortly before the Wicket closes, as I was thinking of doing, the Pails are likely to be lost.
Or, I can simply sit upon my Taste until next year! You do not lose the quality over the year (so I started with ToL at 11), and although you cannot use Pails to increase ToL over 15, Mr. Sacks could give me several points next year.
Any comments would be gratefully appreciated. If I decide to go for a Noman this year, I will comment again on this thread with the relevant information.
P.S. TtH comes for my main, the character I'm speaking of in this post, on Tuesdays about 4 p.m. EST (I'll translate into GMT if I decide to participate). Mairead has nearly convinced me that if I wish to participate, waiting a week or two at least would be a good idea.
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1/7/2017
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@Gonen: Not sure exactly when the thaw came last year, but the time between wicket closure and pail melt is very short - again, it depends on your tth, but they won't last into February. This is another argument against buying last minute. Last year I drew the card often enough to boost her fully within 24 hours, but that was with good luck, manic drawing and an optimised deck. Tbh a lot of this comes down to deciding how much risk and what sort of gambles you are personally comfortable with and acting accordingly; there's no single answer. I bought earlyish because the thought of missing my chance stressed me more than running out of stuff, and because I'd gone for a bucket-heavy approach so I needed to be sure I'd have time to draw the card. If you're adequately prepared with resources to spare, you might as well play safe by buying at 9 or 12 taste since the whole enterprise is ruinously expensive anyway - but then, no one knows how vicious tth will be this year, that may be terrible advice. Really it just comes down to what makes you the least stressed.
@Catherine: If you were planning on keeping your noman alive to the feast, you definitely don't have enough resources. For context, last year I gathered 32 pails and 13 tears - I didn't use them all, but it'll be tougher this year. Sustaining a Noman isn't a case of raising your taste absurdly high, but rather repeatedly raising it to 11 and cashing in. You only need to go above 11 if you're buying absolutely last minute, which is really only a viable strategy in very specific circumstances. If you just want to see the normal Noman story I'd buy as cheaply as possible, right after your next tth.
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1/9/2017
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NMF does drop at sea, so dov is correct. All the cheesy shennanigans you could get up to got patched out over the last couple of years, thankfully.
@Skinnyman: That's the general idea, yeah, although you can use different approaches to raise your taste - I did 'monocle to 8, tears to 11', but you could monocle to 6 and tear to 11 or even just use pails, although that last one sounds like a pretty big gamble to me. This is why I personally think you are better buying a bit early rather than waiting until the last minute, because otherwise you could easily lose half your resources to melting before you have a chance to use them, but as I said up thread that may be dreadful advice depending on how much harder time is going to hit this year.
@Harlocke: As far as I know there's no reason you couldn't keep your Noman alive forever with enough tears, but the grind would be absolutely bonkers - NMF loss gets significantly worse once we're into February, and I can only imagine that the numbers would get even harsher as time goes by. You'd either have to spend a lot of fate or be prepared for multiple years of grinding wines.
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1/9/2017
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Skinnyman wrote:
When attempting to get a tattoo you need to wait until the last few days, get Noman, feed it with all your ToL, use monocle, warn tear two times, monocle again and hope the Noman card pops again soon to consume all your acquired ToL. Is this correct or how exactly do you use Tears most efficient as you need one point of ToL to warm them?
I imagine it to be:
ToL 0 - monocle to 3 - monocle to 6 - tears to 7 then 8, 9, 10, 11.
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ToL 0 - monocle to 3 - monocle to 6 - enter penstock's wicket - take the air to 5 - monocle to 8 - tears to 9, 10, 11
Not sure if feasible though.
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Yep, once Lilac appears the incident becomes available as soon as you meet the criteria. If it follows last year, there will be two options, one for getting the gant tattoo and one just providing a small bonus for people who are already double-inked but haven't done the challenge. You can only chose one so don't click the wrong choice!
Thinking about it, the gant tattoo is possibly available in this way so that people who already have two tattoos and don't wish to reset them can still attempt a Nonan adventure of their own, which is rather nice.
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1/10/2017
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Màiread wrote:
Yes, you need a living noman for the gant tattoo - I'm not sure why FB insist on you having two tattoos as a prerequisite, but that's how things stand right now.
ETA: to be clear, you get the gant tattoo from an incident at Millicent's, which becomes available once you have two tattoos. So you can get face in the snow & the gant tattoo in the same year, assuming you already have a tattoo from a previous year.
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So if I'm currently understanding this correctly, I could pick, say, the Ubergoat for my second tatoo this time around and immediately turn around and grab the Gant Noman tatoo without having to wait a year? I thought picking a second tatoo would somehow lock you out of the parlor until next year, hence why you can't get the first and second tatoo back to back in the same year.
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navchaa
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2/13/2017
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Congrats to all who made it, and good luck to those grinding for next year!
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Skinnyman
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2/13/2017
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Hahaha, big congratulations to those who managed to get the tattoo, but to those who were a bit unlucky as well!
As I'm aiming to get one next year, care to post/PM your resources used, NF start and NF end?
I'm at 4 Tears and resources for 4 extra buckets.
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Barse
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2/13/2017
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Either living stories have been fixed or a workaround has been put in place - Pale Visitor and Gant tattoos now work as intended!
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xenopus
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2/6/2017
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The Feast is on and Lilac is coming on the 13th, apparently: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic23920-feast-of-the-exceptional-rose-.aspx
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Skinnyman
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2/6/2017
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Almost there, almost there, people! Hope many of you make it!
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CameoAppearance
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2/7/2017
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I literally just got my TtH two minutes ago (9:57 PM GMT), before I started writing this. I lost 109 Noman's Friend and, thanks to a fortuitous last-minute Gallery of Serpents expedition, I have 11 left.
There's really nothing else I can do to help my noman live longer that doesn't involve throwing an irresponsible amount of cash at the problem, given that this last week had meltrates of 100-120. So I'm going to stop grinding now, get my Noman Knows up to 15, and bank the card while I enjoy the Feast.
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Skinnyman
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2/8/2017
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Barselaar wrote:
You've lost 99x Noman's Friend.
Well, we're in the home stretch folks - good luck to all!
Have a habit of checking peoples level and you blew me away! May I ask how much you invested in it? I started my preparations, but seems so useless when I saw your Noman after few TtH visits.
Even if it'll probably get harder next year I'm really happy to see so many people are doing great!
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Kaijyuu
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2/13/2017
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*cries infinite tears at the pale visitor text*
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genesis
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2/13/2017
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Hurrah! Congratulations everyone! I've updated the OP with the explicitly declared successes. Let me know if you've succeeded and want that recorded.
PS: Awesome spreadsheet, idyl! Thank you
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Doctor Adventure
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2/8/2017
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How high has anyone gotten Noman Knows? Wonder if there's a secret waiting there...
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idyl
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2/9/2017
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Doctor Adventure wrote:
How high has anyone gotten Noman Knows? Wonder if there's a secret waiting there...
I'm above 15 at the moment and my Noman looks like he might be around for quite some time still, so I'll keep pushing it to see if anything changes.
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hwoosh
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2/13/2017
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Okay, I'm a little bit confused here.
Both my characters already have two tattoos from previous years.
Both my characters ADDITIONALLY have a Gant Noman tattoo.
Both my characters' Nomen survived, and they both have the "Get a private tattoo of your Noman" option available as well as "A pale visitor".
Which do I pick?? The "Get a Noman tattoo" won't give me another Gant tattoo, will it? Will it simply do nothing? In that case, why's it even an option for characters who already have a Gant tattoo? Seems like a trap (since it'll give you the Incident quality and lock out the other option). So I should definitely pick the "A pale visitor" option for both my characters, right? I'm terrified to pick the wrong option after all the work I put in to these Nomen. Thank you all in advance for your invaluable advice!
EDIT: Oh, wait. Headdesk moment here. I've been thinking that both options are unlocked with a Noman, but clearly only the Gant tattoo requires that; the pale visitor only requires two regular tattoos from previous years. Still a shame you can only pick one.
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Barse
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3/7/2017
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I'm extremely tempted to attempt to join you, idyl!
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Kaosu
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2/15/2017
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I lost 110 NF this week. By the weeks, that makes:
Week 1: lost 59 Noman's Friend
Week 2: lost 61 Noman's Friend
Week 3: lost 95 Noman's Friend
Week 4: lost 110 Noman's Friend
And now it still clings to life with barely 18 Noman's Friend. Woo, I made it! 
Resources used for my Noman are as follows:
Noman created for 15 ToL on 1/23/17
17 pails of snow, 6 Tears of the Bazaar, for a total of 343 Noman's Friend
Tears results (I used them for ToL rather than applying them directly, though I think I got less than average luck doing this):
8 Tears uses, then lost first Tear on the last use
1 use, immediately losing the Tear on on its first use
6 uses, then lost third Tear on the last use
3 uses, then lost fourth Tear on the last use
1 use, immediately losing the Tear on on its first use
5 uses, then lost sixth Tear on the last use
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NiteBrite
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2/15/2017
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Anyone looking to beat the March 18th longest unmelted noman goal? The melt rate can get pretty extreme in March :-)
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Barse
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3/7/2017
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Well, next week looks to be it! And a few days short of the record, too.
You've lost 117 x Noman's Friend (new total 80 - The Noman endures).
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idyl
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3/7/2017
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From today's TtH: "You've lost 104 x Noman's Friend (new total 129 - The Noman is pristine)."
Now the question is... do I dare attempt to make it through next week's melting?
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xenopus
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2/13/2017
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Barselaar wrote:
xenopus wrote:
Did anyone echo the Pale Visitor? It was already around last year, but what does it do exactly?
It's just a bonus for those with 2 tattoos - it gives a Primeval Hint, and some lovely text.
dov wrote:
here:
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/dov?fromEchoId=11068298
Amazing, thanks!
Congratulations, fellow marathoners! I now also have a Gant tattoo (on my mantelpiece) on top of my Face in the Snow from the previous year. I have 233 Noman's Friend remaining, which should give my Noman another week as TtH comes tomorrow.
Summary time! I went into this with 26 Pails of Snow, 6 Tears of the Bazaar and 15 ToL. My preparations were started in late November so this was rushed. I made my Noman on Jan 24th at the price of 15 ToL. My supplies put me at 403 NF (dreadfully inefficient usage of Tears). To make the Noman last until today, February 13th, I only needed to survive 2 TtH, which took respectively 53 and 117 NF. I could have made the Noman on Jan 31st though, as the Wicket was still open and I got something like three lacre melting warnings with my TtHs. So actually this *could* have been a three-Pail Noman. Of course, hindsight only gets you so far, but to me, this shows it was a pretty easy year. Could have kept my Tears.
Given those three warnings, I am now wondering about the buckets - when did they actually melt? Did anyone keep a test Pail around, by any chance?
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2/13/2017
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Am I cool now?
Edit: Right! I lost 20(ish), 33(ish), 64, 78, 104, then 120.
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alwaysmetara
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2/13/2017
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I've also successfully gotten my Noman tattoo, using 24 pails and 6 tears. Like many others, I only had to survive 2 TtH, so I still have 190 Noman's Friend as well as a few ToL in reserve.
Overall, in the beginning I was really worried I wouldn't make it. I thought the Wicket would close much earlier than it did. I'm glad I didn't make my Noman earlier.
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xenopus
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2/13/2017
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hwoosh wrote:
So, to summarize, the only reason to choose a second Gant Noman tattoo over the Pale Visitor option would be the slim chance that Failbetter releases some special snippet of content in the future for people with two Gant Noman tattoos?
Who knows what will happen when you get seven Gant tattoos! #Heptagoat
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CameoAppearance
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2/14/2017
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Getting a second gant tattoo of my noman seems kind of silly, from an in-character perspective, so I'm not going to bother. But here's proof that I made it to the finish line (with a whopping 11 Noman's Friend left, and about 14 hours before TtH):
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navchaa
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2/14/2017
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CameoAppearance wrote:
Getting a second gant tattoo of my noman seems kind of silly, from an in-character perspective, so I'm not going to bother. But here's proof that I made it to the finish line (with a whopping 11 Noman's Friend left, and about 14 hours before TtH):
Well done! You should also get an award or special mention for "made it by the skin of your teeth AND in the nick of time"!
But for those with extra NF, what do you intend to do? Claim your elemental secret now? Or muck around a bit more, check on melt rates and such?
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Skinnyman
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2/14/2017
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CameoAppearance, did you pick the Watch Milicent tattoo a pale visitor? If so, care to share the echo to it?
And a question about the participants of this marathon, do you get the Noman card even if Sackmass is oveR?
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navchaa
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2/14/2017
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Yes, the Noman card appears as long as you have a Noman. I have one in my hand as it keeps appearing so much.
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idyl
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3/14/2017
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So I've gathered up, sorted, and compared all of the available Noman melt data from 2016 and 2017. As it turns out, the two years are very close in number, aside from that period in 2016 when FailBetter lowered the melting rate for a bit. Here's the summary:
http://imgur.com/a/BMVcR
Again, all of the data is from the Noman threads in 2016 and 2017 which I painstakingly went through, deciphered, and sorted. There was minimal guesswork involved, since it's all based on actual data, but there's alway some questions left when there are only so many data points available. I took the liberty to assume in those cases. More complete data available upon request.
Final verdict: The melt rate was not increased this year. Almost all of the 2017 data fell in line with the 2016 data (again, aside from the respite in 2016). The range of melting week-to-week was altered, but the medians were the same for most weeks.
If FailBetter wants me to remove or edit this for any reason, I'll be glad to acquiesce.
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navchaa
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3/17/2017
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Oh my, there's something about the last few Nomen surviving till spring that's so ephemeral, poetic and ineffably sad!
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idyl
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3/20/2017
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My Noman has now been forced to suffer long enough to see the wonders of Spring for the first time through a Noman's eyes. Its melting is imminent; its death a rapidly-approaching inevitability. Although I write this with a harrowing sense of foreboding, I know that the Noman feels quite the opposite, indeed. It is eager for death, desirous to return whence it came.
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Skinnyman
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3/14/2017
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Oh, frigging nice, people! More, more, more?
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Mordaine Barimen
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3/24/2017
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Yes. The Direful Reflections notice (for melting Pails) in Time the Healer never stopped last year, so there's no reason to expect it to end this year.
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3/21/2017
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I wasn't aware that Mordaine Barimen's Noman was with us all this time. So, along with Barselaar and myself, that makes three that have made it to see Spring. Exciting times.
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