Raiseth Ascendant
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1/3/2017
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I was thinking about it one cold, melancholic evening. This evening.
I thought: lacre is not snow. Concentrated lacre is called Tears of Bazaar. Why does Bazaar cry? Why does it snow lacre only in winter if it is not, in fact, snow. Then it hit me: winter is the time the Earth is furthest from the Sun.
Huh? Huh? Am I not a genius? A more important question: Do you fellow Londoners think I am right?
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Kukapetal
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1/4/2017
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True, but the Bazaar would still be IN that particular hemisphere, so perhaps being in the part of the earth that's currently pointing away from the sun makes it sadder.
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Siankan
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1/4/2017
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Raiseth Ascendant wrote:
Then it hit me: winter is the time the Earth is furthest from the Sun.
Not exactly. The point when Earth is furthest from the Sun is called aphelion, and it has nothing to do with seasons. Winter just means that your particular hemisphere is pointing away from the Sun; the other half, of course, is in summer. As Addis said, it's a clever idea, but I don't think it pans out.
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Morkan Kassington
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1/4/2017
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Siankan wrote:
There's nothing like watching everyone else be happy and joyful to depress those who are not.
A regular lonely person may be treated kindly at this season; the Bazaar is unlikely to receive the same treatment. Surrounded by heartless bastards, and too obscure for the everyday citizen.
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(He is actually a self-centered and foolish braggart, but he means no harm. Hit him up for social actions or dangerous lessons! Or just flirt.)
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Pumpkinhead
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1/4/2017
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The Master wrote:
Well, you can go to Naples and Vienna in SS, but we can't really see how far you have to travel to get there so I guess this is still a mystery(nobody ever mentions where the bats got London to, Silver Tree even confuses moments with days when you fall with Karakorum(your character mentions that you don't get how long it took you to "fall" IIRC), so that is probably irrigo, but uhh, if the bats do have to get the city to the same position every time, they either have to teleport or use irrigo to make everyone forget about them?
Again, I think this all just points to the indefinite nature of the Neath. Just because you can get to Naples from a consistent point in the Neath doesn't necessarily make a fixed location or really provide any reference to where anything else in the Neath is. Also, the Neath being indefinite might explain the time issues, because it can be wonky with time as well as space.
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McGunn/Bsymstad is on the slow boat, waiting to see if he can find out what death is. (I'm done with London for now. Thanks for everything!)
Amanda Albright is a *spoiler* now, like she always wanted.
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Siankan
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1/4/2017
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PJ wrote:
December is when the Earth is farthest from the sun
Again, not exactly. However, you do bring up a good point. Even if we assume the Neath is somewhere under the Northern Hemisphere (which is exceedingly likely, I think, given the Cumaean Canal if nothing else), the heart of winter up here is January, not December, so lacre is unlikely to be directly connected to winter, per se.
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The bazaar cries tearrs of Lacre at winter, because it makes a cool winter&christmas-related event.
Oh, certainly, certainly. However, have you ever known Fallen London to be arbitrary, as regards its setting? Even if the original reason is so prosaic, it would be highly uncharacteristic for it to not have been given an in-world explanation.
Perhaps we are simply thinking of this wrong. PJ points out that lacre is a December event, not a winter one, and Raiseth points out that it overflows in "the loneliest of seasons" (though it is not, of course, clear from whose perspective that is written). It is probably the Christmas season, not winter, that is being referred to. Why is it "the loneliest of seasons"? Uncertain. However, Christmas is certainly very lonely up on the Surface for those who have lost loved ones or otherwise have no one to celebrate with. There's nothing like watching everyone else be happy and joyful to depress those who are not. Does this apply to the Bazaar? Again, uncertain. However, we certainly know the Bazaar's insatiable desire for stories, and the Masters themselves are feeling pretty wistful and nostalgic, if the Mr. Sacks dialogues can be believed. Indeed, Mr. Sacks-not-Pages-I-promise made some statements that link lacre to the stories he's collecting. So perhaps this is a direction we need to be thinking in.
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Chubaka
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1/4/2017
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PJ wrote:
You all are getting hung up on the word "winter", when really December is when the Earth is farthest from the sun, and also when the lacre falls.
Good Sir, what might You be referring to! Is it possible that no-one here is aware that we
are on a thin disc, where the three world-elephants are holding onto the Neath between
them, bringing the world together at a whim of the great Masters? The Mollusks live on
the Greaturtle and are bubbling and dripping onto the little speck we are as seen from
them!
How are You not ashamed to proclaim such arbitrary un-science which even the Church
down here does not concur with!
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Ahaha, pardon me.
But, No.
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Addendum: Why, it was a little thoght here of all yours, that may not be wrong in its heart,
though; the nothern winter being the time the Earth is being closest to the Sun, yet why
would it be in December, then, as was now pointed out by Siankan? It would make sense
if it was at the end of winter, when the Bazaar leaves the proximity to the Sun again. May-
be it cries, for it is not allowed to reach out, even if it is this close... so it collects the L__-
stories, to take it in intstead. But this is of course nonsense.
It may or may not have to do with the distance, at all, though.
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Raiseth Ascendant
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1/4/2017
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Alright. Then I propose this little tidbit, actually completely unrelated to the issue: what if December is the time of the year the Bazaar fell on Earth?
Well; to be attached to a certain period of time located and indicated by semi-sentient inhabitants of the rock they call Earth and to bit several links below the Chain would seem a tad... sentimental. Still, why not?
Maybe Christmas is something else in this universe. If Judgements are Gods are Suns, then Jesus could be...
Never mind. That is, never my mind boggled quite as much.
Well, that is my last theory. I think.
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Kukapetal
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1/4/2017
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Hmmm...that's a good point. I always assumed Fallen London was right underneath where London originally was, and any other fallen cities would have been right underneath where they originally stood as well (the Neath presumably being a big place). But the remains of previous cities in the Forgotten Quarter and such indicates that all the cities get taken to the same place, which wouldn't necessarily be anywhere near where London originally was.
But...uh...maybe the spot that all the fallen cities get taken to just so happens to be in the northern hemisphere. Yeah. :P
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Raiseth Ascendant
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Well, now, the Fall of Bazaar predates Christianity, sure, but what about Judaism? Time is a little wonky on that one.
Eh. Kukapetal, you're probably right, not in the least because Failbetter writers wouldn't likely involve religion in their work more than needed for this decidedly Victorian flavour. Or not. The difference is, ah, whether you are Harry Potter or Harry Dresden, if you know what I mean. ( If you don't, never worry, I can't quite understand where I'm getting with this one, too.)
At this point, after a flash of, as I thought at the time, a bright idea, I don't really need the Answer. A good discussion is delightful all in itself.
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