Kukapetal
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3/1/2017
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By the same token, if the possibility exists that the Contrarian is neither a dupe nor an accomplice of a tyrannical government and is instead using their figurehead mayor position to advance a positive agenda of his own, then the same possibility applies to the other candidates as well, including Jenny.
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Anne Auclair
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3/1/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
By the same token, if the possibility exists that the Contrarian is neither a dupe nor an accomplice of a tyrannical government and is instead using their figurehead mayor position to advance a positive agenda of his own, then the same possibility applies to the other candidates as well, including Jenny.
No, because Jenny's agenda is predicated on the Mayoral office being more than a useless figurehead. She ran a straightforward campaign: "Make me Mayor and I'll enact these policies." If the Mayoral office really is a useless figurehead, as you claimed, then Jenny's campaign merely contributes to the illusion that London's people have a say in the government. The Contrarian in contrast made no promises and openly treated the whole election like it was a silly game that the people of London should cock a snook at. If the Mayor is just for show than the Contrarian promised a very subversive show, exactly what was needed. On the other hand, Jenny's show of taking the election at face value and working within the system is exactly what the Masters would have wanted.
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aegisaglow
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3/1/2017
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The thread title is a false dichotomy.
She's a sinner. She's a saint. She does not feel ashamed.
I know I wouldn't want it any other way.
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Kukapetal
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3/2/2017
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Jenny's platform and Jenny's agenda may well be two very different things, same as any of the candidates.
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Anne Auclair
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3/2/2017
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Kukapetal wrote:
Jenny's platform and Jenny's agenda may well be two very different things, same as any of the candidates.
Her public platform, her associations and her private interests were on full display during the election, same as the other two candidates. Jenny's whole candidacy was based on her supposed ability to deliver tangible goods to London's less fortunate (the public promises) and her friends (the private promises). So if the office of Mayor really is a useless just for show figurehead, "there to placate the masses by giving them the illusion that they actually have a say in how their city is governed," then Jenny is a completely useless figurehead who merely props up said illusion, wittingly or not.
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Diptych
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3/2/2017
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Anne, what do you want us to do with this information? Impeach Jenny? Execute her? Have everyone who voted for her branded with a "J" to mark them for evermore as fools and traitors?
edited by Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook on 3/2/2017
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Teaspoon
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3/2/2017
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Y'know, there's a very good bit in Douglas Adams' "Mostly Harmless" in which, after a journalist eviscerates the inanity of astrology, the astrologer she was interviewing comments “So when you got so, I don’t know, so emotionally focused on stars and planets this morning, I began to think, she’s not angry about astrology, she really is angry and unhappy about actual stars and planets."
It came to mind is all.
(If you're invested in anti-Jenny arguments because it's your form of RP, fine, if it's a proxy for RL stuff, fine, and in fact it's none of my business why you're doing this, but you do seem to be very angry. Is being this angry fun for you? Given why we're all here: for a game, which is fun.)
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
3/2/2017
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Anne, what do you want us to do with this information? Impeach Jenny? Execute her? Have everyone who voted for her branded for evermore as fools and traitors?
Post lengthy remarks rebutting me so I can post even lengthier arguments in response.
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PSGarak
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3/2/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Anne, what do you want us to do with this information? Impeach Jenny? Execute her? Have everyone who voted for her branded for evermore as fools and traitors?
Post lengthy remarks rebutting me so I can post even lengthier arguments in response.
Can I get a brand anyways? I think this "J" thing could be next season's fashion.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
3/2/2017
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*rips her hair out in frustration, admits defeat and pours herself a glass of wine*
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Omega8520
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3/2/2017
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Post lengthy remarks rebutting me so I can post even lengthier arguments in response.
So you're arguing purely for the sake of arguing? That's a bit disingenuous, isn't it?
edited by Omega8520 on 3/2/2017
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
3/2/2017
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Teaspoon wrote:
Y'know, there's a very good bit in Douglas Adams' "Mostly Harmless" in which, after a journalist eviscerates the inanity of astrology, the astrologer she was interviewing comments “So when you got so, I don’t know, so emotionally focused on stars and planets this morning, I began to think, she’s not angry about astrology, she really is angry and unhappy about actual stars and planets."
It came to mind is all.
(If you're invested in anti-Jenny arguments because it's your form of RP, fine, if it's a proxy for RL stuff, fine, and in fact it's none of my business why you're doing this, but you do seem to be very angry. Is being this angry fun for you? Given why we're all here: for a game, which is fun.)
Why does no one ever psychoanalyze my Darkdrop Coffee posts?
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Anne Auclair
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3/2/2017
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Omega8520 wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Post lengthy remarks rebutting me so I can post even lengthier arguments in response.
So you're arguing purely for the sake of arguing? That's a bit disingenuous, isn't it?
edited by Omega8520 on 3/2/2017
I'm aiming more for a natural Hegelian Synthesis arising out of the back and forth.
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Grenem
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3/2/2017
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Anne, what do you want us to do with this information? Impeach Jenny? Execute her? Have everyone who voted for her branded with a "J" to mark them for evermore as fools and traitors?
edited by Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook on 3/2/2017
I'm not Anne, but this is what I want:
Not vote for her next year, not complain that she isn't in the election next year, not unfavorably compare the new batch to her. Don't go gallivanting after the next bohemian who promises to improve the plight of the poor just because they make kinder promises than their peers.
Ideally, have next election be closer than this one, but then, I'm a dreamer. That is too much to ask for.
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maleclypse
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3/3/2017
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So my understanding from the writers (I may have imagined this) was that anyone who won would only win for one year. My interpretation from reading Lydia's companion storylet is that Jenny is done as Mayor soon and will just be running her school which, whatever you may think of it does bring literacy and useable (spy) skills to it's students whomever they may be. Or is next year meant as her being brought back to run again in 2018? I got the impression that the writers wanted to use this to write new stories and that it would be multiple years if ever before any candidate who wins will be allowed to run again? My biggest concern right now regarding the Mayor's office is that I worry that the since the favors conversion hasn't finished yet the Mayor's card will give a bunch of connected but basically be worthless because there aren't any favors for the factions that back whatever new Mayor London gets. She built a school she advanced the plot she served her purpose. Now we get to see some other figure of London.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
3/10/2017
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Grenem wrote:
I'm not Anne, but this is what I want:
Not vote for her next year, not complain that she isn't in the election next year, not unfavorably compare the new batch to her...
I wouldn't actually mind people unfavorably comparing future candidates to Jenny :P First, that's one thing people do during elections - compare current politicians to past politicians. Second, she's London's first mayor, so it's only fair that she have some sort of legacy and all future candidates be compared to her. I personally hope we hear a bit more about that Office of Public Works she started. Like, will future Mayors fire the artists and hire different people?
Also it would be nice if the Mayors, when they left office, left a sort of physical legacy that players could view via future Mayoral influence cards. So you'd have 1. Support the Mayor, 2. Plot Against the Mayor, 3. Investigate the Mayor, and 4. Remember London's Previous Mayors. Option 4 would accumulate more text as the elections added up.
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Estelle Knoht
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3/13/2017
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If nothing else, I think Anne can roleplay as the Jovial Contrarian perfectly and would like to remind people not to get too frustrated over this and try to enjoy the debate.
But yes, it is a neat prospect to have some reminders of previous mayors! And Jenny probably won't be running again, if Lydia's sweet talking is any indication.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
3/29/2017
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
If nothing else, I think Anne can roleplay as the Jovial Contrarian perfectly and would like to remind people not to get too frustrated over this and try to enjoy the debate.
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned in the past that I think the writers have made the Mayoral storyline purposely ambiguous, leaving it to the reader to determine what exactly is going on. I just choose to interpret the evidence as negatively as possible, because why not? But I could easily make the opposite argument. However, given the overall ambiguity, I don't think either the positive or negative view is complete. But I also don't think we'd get the full feel for the story by starting with a search for the golden mean or whatever. So this calls for bare knuckle political debate.
Also, thanks for the compliment ^^
edited by Anne Auclair on 3/29/2017
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