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Well, if you don't like Jenny, there'll be another election in a few months, and you can vote in a new figurehead.
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Anne Auclair
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It's worth pointing out that if the Mayoral office is a total masquerade used to deceive and pacify the plebs, then Jenny is either a very happy participant in this or among those who have been taken in by it :P
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Passionario
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No bloody clue why she likes anarchists, though.
Now that I think of it, the groups corresponding to non-Urchin favored students (Revolutionaries, Church and Bohemians) also correspond to the three mayoral candidates. So maybe the mechanical side of the Finishing School was planned in advance even before the election results, and the flavor was written in later. Whichever candidate won, they would eventually launch their particular scheme to allow the players to grind Favours/Connections, with the three candidate factions being given preference.
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Anne Auclair
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Passionario wrote:
OctaviaCrowe wrote:
No bloody clue why she likes anarchists, though.
Now that I think of it, the groups corresponding to non-Urchin favored students (Revolutionaries, Church and Bohemians) also correspond to the three mayoral candidates. So maybe the mechanical side of the Finishing School was planned in advance even before the election results, and the flavor was written in later. Whichever candidate won, they would eventually launch their particular scheme to allow the players to grind Favours/Connections, with the three candidate factions being given preference.
I really don't see any reason why the Contrarian or the Bishop's schemes couldn't have involved somewhat different groups though. Even if there was only one mechanical plan which all three schemes would use, there's no reason the writers/programmers couldn't swap around factions and rewards just as they'd swap around characters, flavor text and images. So there's no reason the top four had to be a Revolutionary, a Church member, a Bohemian, and an Urchin.
Three of these four characters were also people who were involved in Jenny's campaign: the Nuns and Bohemians campaigned for her and at one point an Urchin gave her some survey numbers or something, so that's probably the reason they were included. Police officers and (supposedly converted) Devils played a role in the Bishops campaign, while Tomb Colonists and Criminals were involved in the Contrarian's movement - and all these groups are totally absent from Jenny's school! The Constables, Criminals, Tomb Colonists, and Devils have no character. There is a Tomb Colonist favor, but it is given out by the Surface Visitor, a special character created largely for the Exceptional Story that Jenny's School is inseparably a part of. Presumably in either the Bishop or Contrarian's special scheme these absent groups would have been present and there would have been a different Exceptional Story with different special characters.
I think the Doyalist explanation for the Anarchist is that the Empress's Shadow called for an Anarchist character. The real question though is why the Anarchist is a favored student, while the Zailor isn't. They could easily have flipped these two, with the Zailor a favored applicant and the Anarchist a risky prospect ('Sinning Jenny frowns. "Goodness, don't let him blow anything up."). They went with the Anarchist as a favored student for a reason and the reason is that Sinning Jenny's School favors them. Why she does this is something of a mystery...but then it's far from the only mystery in the Neath.
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Passionario
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Anne Auclair wrote:
The real question though is why the Anarchist is a favored student, while the Zailor isn't.
Oh, that one's simple. Jenny is a Mayor of London, not Mayor of the Unterzee. Whatever else the Anarchist may be, he is undoubtedly a Londoner, while to the Zailor, London is merely another exotic island among many.
The real question is why would you prefer the alternative approach, wherein educational establishments would routinely screen the prospective students' political views and mark anyone who is unwilling to toe the ruling party's line as dangerous and unfit to learn?
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Anne Auclair
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Passionario wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
The real question though is why the Anarchist is a favored student, while the Zailor isn't.
Oh, that one's simple. Jenny is a Mayor of London, not Mayor of the Unterzee. Whatever else the Anarchist may be, he is undoubtedly a Londoner, while to the Zailor, London is merely another exotic island among many.
The real question is why would you prefer the alternative approach, wherein educational establishments would routinely screen the prospective students' political views and mark anyone who is unwilling to toe the ruling party's line as dangerous and unfit to learn?
You train him to be a better terrorist!
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Omega8520
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You train him to be a better everything (depending on the other students you take). The ones learning revolutionary techniques are the other students in the class with the rev, and there's no proof that they're using them for revolutionary purposes.
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Passionario
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Anne Auclair wrote:
You train him to be a better terrorist!
That's a very cute slogan, but it doesn't answer my question: why do you believe that education should only be provided to staunch supporters of the incumbent political regime?
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Anne Auclair
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Passionario wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
You train him to be a better terrorist!
That's a very cute slogan, but it doesn't answer my question: why do you believe that education should only be provided to staunch supporters of the incumbent political regime?
I don't have to answer that question because I'm not arguing that. It's the Mayors policy to largely reserve the school for the groups that supported her plus a bunch of revolutionary terrorists.
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The school's services are not reserved for any groups, they are provided to specific individuals on a case-by-case basis, with each class being carefully assembled to ensure diversity of backgrounds and opinions. The Bishop and the Contrarian may only see fields of burning roses, but Jenny pays attention to each unique petal.
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Kukapetal
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Anne Auclair wrote:
It's worth pointing out that if the Mayoral office is a total masquerade used to deceive and pacify the plebs, then Jenny is either a very happy participant in this or among those who have been taken in by it :P
Which applies to all the candidates, including the one you prefer 
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Estelle Knoht
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Anne Auclair wrote:
You train him to be a better terrorist!
On a successful run, you teach the anarchist that he is an anarchist because of his social ideals (of equality and some such), not because he needed an excuse for chaos and destruction. You also train him on writing mean words instead of bombing better.
The anarchist seems to be attending the Finishing School to learn to be more intellectual and less volatile - on paper, it does sound like a way of pacification. Of course, that doesn't mean they become less dangerous, but it is probably an improvement.
Anne Auclair wrote:
I think the Doyalist explanation for the Anarchist is that the Empress's Shadow called for an Anarchist character. The real question though is why the Anarchist is a favored student, while the Zailor isn't. They could easily have flipped these two, with the Zailor a favored applicant and the Anarchist a risky prospect ('Sinning Jenny frowns. "Goodness, don't let him blow anything up."). They went with the Anarchist as a favored student for a reason and the reason is that Sinning Jenny's School favors them. Why she does this is something of a mystery...but then it's far from the only mystery in the Neath.
That bit with the zailor is indeed quite strange, since the Docks faction are more involved with Jenny's campaign and generally represent the labourers among her target audience.
I guess a possibility is that they had to use a well-traveled zailor instead of just a local docker in order to make the option of Judgement's Egg available for the sake of that story, and then decided that Jenny's less interested in educating people who doesn't plan to stay around in London?
Considering her previous behavior you'd think Jenny would have no objection to milking the Surface Visitor and the Eldest for that sweet sweet tuition fee to feed the others, but eh.
As for the urchins, well, I think teaching futureless children seems pretty on point for the school regardless of who is in charge.
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Anne Auclair
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Estelle Knoht wrote:
I guess a possibility is that they had to use a well-traveled zailor instead of just a local docker in order to make the option of Judgement's Egg available for the sake of that story, and then decided that Jenny's less interested in educating people who doesn't plan to stay around in London?
Perhaps. But the Zailor's pathological inability to interact with London Society, caused by prolonged isolation at Zee, is exactly the sort of thing that Jenny's School was designed to alleviate. Also, Zailors live dangerous lives and could always use some self-defense lessons. In contrast, the Eldest Daughter is simply bored, the Surface Visitor merely ignorant, and the Foreign Officer too wrapped up in her job.
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Diptych
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The undesirable students are all undesirable because they're wealthy and/or well-connected, and generally not in need of charity. The zailor isn't a lowly deckhand - he's a captain's son, who travels about on voyages of trade and exploration, picking up a not immodest collection of riches along the way.
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Anne Auclair
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
The undesirable students are all undesirable because they're wealthy and/or well-connected, and generally not in need of charity. The zailor isn't a lowly deckhand - he's a captain's son, who travels about on voyages of trade and exploration, picking up a not immodest collection of riches along the way.
Good point. I guess we have our answer.
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Anne Auclair
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I just realized something. The School will probably have a special card during the elections festival that will allow us to gauge student political opinions regarding the various candidates.
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Rasvarmo
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I see that the latest series of exceptional stories is called the "Season of Stones" and apparently involves upset and unrest among London's less-privileged citizens. I'm wondering how Sinning Jenny relates to this? She campaigned on a platform of improving the lots of London's unfortunates, and to me it seemed she was fulfilling her promises. Is this a sign that she is not succeeding? Or does this involve a different group of unfortunates that she is unable to help?
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Estelle Knoht
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Rasvarmo wrote:
I see that the latest series of exceptional stories is called the "Season of Stones" and apparently involves upset and unrest among London's less-privileged citizens. I'm wondering how Sinning Jenny relates to this? She campaigned on a platform of improving the lots of London's unfortunates, and to me it seemed she was fulfilling her promises. Is this a sign that she is not succeeding? Or does this involve a different group of unfortunates that she is unable to help?
It involves a group of unfortunates that no mayors can ever help because the Season of Stones can occur at anytime of a player's choice/payment, independent of what mayor is in charge and who they are helping.
That said, currently the first group of unfortunates are Clay Men, which none of the candidates expressed much of a desire to help, and Jenny really didn't address it either, so if you are looking at the Season with Jenny's reign in mind, that's one strike on Jenny, or half a strike since no mayor can anticipate a cray cray clay mad scientist switching limbs that's been on the job before Election is a thing.
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The only one of the three to have ever spoken on the Clay Condition would be the Jovial Contrarian, and, well, he will speak up for them and condemn them according to whatever will stir up the most discord in a given crowd. Like every other matter, he sees their welfare only in terms of what will amuse him the most at the moment.
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Anne Auclair
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Kukapetal wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
It's worth pointing out that if the Mayoral office is a total masquerade used to deceive and pacify the plebs, then Jenny is either a very happy participant in this or among those who have been taken in by it :P
Which applies to all the candidates, including the one you prefer
Actually it would not have applied to the Contrarian :P
The argument that the Mayor's office is just for show is actually an argument for electing the most outrageous and disruptive personality possible, as opposed to choosing someone who has pre-compromised themselves with the system and is consciously playing its game (i.e. a certain employee of the Parlor of Virtue). That's how you find out what the actual limits are!
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