Optimatum
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Same options.
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Akernis
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Akernis wrote:
My sole regret being that after making very sure not to pick the Anarchist's final choice I still got those damn seven words that I hate to see more than any in Fallen London
"You have advanced the Liberation of Night."
Oh well, I will just have to replay the story when available again.
How'd that happen?
[spoiler]I revealed the Surface Visitor to be a spy for the Kaiser. Which eventually led to the Shadow making a political coup to become the new regent. Which somehow help the Liberation of Night, despite there being no indication I have seen that helping the Shadow would be part of the revolutionaries' scheme.[/spoiler]
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Jules Asimov
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12/25/2016
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[spoiler]In the final options, there is a requirement called a stocking or something, and that requirement locks the option to get the shadow to come the school to be taught. How does one get this stocking?[/spoiler]
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Pnakotic
Posts: 266
12/25/2016
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Optimatum wrote:
Anyone have echoes for showing the Generous Princess's gift to the Foreign Officer and talking to the Visitor about the future?
Opening the gift.
The future of the surface cities.
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Also I noticed that an option needing the Eldest Daughter required a lower minimum value of the Frequently Deceased story quality than my option to accept her. Were there multiple options to accept her as a student depending on how that ES ended?
I believe the final story quality may have varied slightly depending [spoiler]on what you did with the letter.[/spoiler] Recruitment was likely possible only with certain endings.
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Pnakotic
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Jules Asimov wrote:
[spoiler]In the final options, there is a requirement called a stocking or something, and that requirement locks the option to get the shadow to come the school to be taught. How does one get this stocking?[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Take her to see Jenny.[/spoiler]
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Pnakotic
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12/25/2016
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Did anyone choose the Eldest Daughter as their final option? I was very tempted to see how that might turn out, though ultimately I chose the Veteran Anarchist.
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Anne Auclair
Posts: 2215
12/25/2016
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Akernis wrote:
Anne Auclair wrote:
Akernis wrote:
My sole regret being that after making very sure not to pick the Anarchist's final choice I still got those damn seven words that I hate to see more than any in Fallen London
"You have advanced the Liberation of Night."
Oh well, I will just have to replay the story when available again.
How'd that happen?
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Oh, so the butterfly effect.
[spoiler]Spying on the Shadow reveals that Kaiser is aligned with the Judgments and a major piece in the Great Game. Some of the background class sedition conversation reveals that July has become active in Paris, which means the Revolutionaries are making some big plays on the Surface. From the glimpse of July some of us saw back in the Calendar Code, these efforts naturally involve undermining and overthrowing Surface governments. Overthrowing the government in Berlin removes a Judgment ally/Game piece and causes chaos, both which help July’s efforts and hence the Liberation by a small amount.[/spoiler]
It's best to keep the wider geopolitical picture in mind, nothing happens in a vacuum.
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Vavakx Nonexus
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12/25/2016
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Unmasking the Visitor's effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress' Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies' cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser's astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.
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dov
Posts: 2580
12/25/2016
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I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? I'm asking because Lost in Reflection was the one ES which I havnen't formally finished - instead I left it for a year and a half at the final choice (refusing to choose any of the options presented).
I'm trying to see if this new story is worth finishing Lost in Reflections.
Please PM me if the answer is too detailed for the forum. I don't mind spoilers at all.
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suinicide
Posts: 2409
12/25/2016
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It unlocks a new option in the school, which stays open after finishing the story, so no need to choose yet.
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Akernis
Posts: 255
12/25/2016
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Anne Auclair wrote:
*Snip*
It's best to keep the wider geopolitical picture in mind, nothing happens in a vacuum.
Ah, I see. Well at least that makes sense. I haven't yet played Lost in Reflections so some of these subtle hints were lost on me. I'll still redo it, but at least now I don't feel cheated, which is always nice.
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Pnakotic
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12/25/2016
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Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
Unmasking the Visitor's effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress' Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies' cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser's astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It's likely an "enemy of my enemy's friend" kind of situation.
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Pnakotic
Posts: 266
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dov wrote:
I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? I'm asking because Lost in Reflection was the one ES which I havnen't formally finished - instead I left it for a year and a half at the final choice (refusing to choose any of the options presented).
I'm trying to see if this new story is worth finishing Lost in Reflections.
Please PM me if the answer is too detailed for the forum. I don't mind spoilers at all.
How far along are you? [spoiler]Still making decisions about July, or Paris?[/spoiler]
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Vavakx Nonexus
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12/25/2016
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Pnakotic wrote:
Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
Unmasking the Visitor's effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress' Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies' cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser's astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It's likely an "enemy of my enemy's friend" kind of situation.
That really doesn't make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
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Revolutionary and British Influences Suppressed
There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.
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Estelle Knoht
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12/25/2016
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The Eldest Daughter's ending completely cripple the Kaiser and that did Jack Squat for Fabulous February's cause, so I imagine it to be a bug.
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dov
Posts: 2580
12/25/2016
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Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection?
How far along are you?
I'm (supposedly) at the very last choice:
[spoiler]I need to decide what to do with the mirror - smash or keep or sell July's location.[/spoiler]
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Pnakotic
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12/25/2016
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dov wrote:
Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection?
How far along are you?
I'm (supposedly) at the very last choice:
[spoiler]I need to decide what to do with the mirror - smash or keep or sell July's location.[/spoiler]
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all [spoiler]seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn't an easy choice.[/spoiler]
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Book of All Hours 9:99: Journey's end in lover's meeting. Progress is ascendancy.
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dov
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12/25/2016
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Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection?
How far along are you?
I'm (supposedly) at the very last choice:
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all [spoiler]seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn't an easy choice.[/spoiler]
Thanks, but I wasn't asking about the possible endings of Lost in Reflections. I know those endings and have purposely chosen (until now) not to pick any of them.
My question was: How much of an impact is there in the new The Empress' Shadow story by having played Lost in Reflection to its end? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to complete Lost in Reflection before playing The Empress' Shadow.
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Pnakotic
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Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
Pnakotic wrote:
Vavakx Nonexus wrote:
Unmasking the Visitor's effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress' Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies' cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser's astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It's likely an "enemy of my enemy's friend" kind of situation.
That really doesn't make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
Patience wrote:
Revolutionary and British Influences Suppressed
There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.
Hmmm. I'd been looking at someone else's echo before. My only thought is that driving the wedge between London and Berlin in some way minorly benefits the revolutionaries by preventing any collusion between Mr. Wines and the Empress' Shadow. (Which in turn buys them more time to scheme and labour on their Great Work without imminent risk of being introduced to the underpipes.)
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Book of All Hours 9:99: Journey's end in lover's meeting. Progress is ascendancy.
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Pnakotic
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dov wrote:
Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
Pnakotic wrote:
dov wrote:
I haven't started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection?
How far along are you?
I'm (supposedly) at the very last choice:
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all [spoiler]seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn't an easy choice.[/spoiler]
Thanks, but I wasn't asking about the possible endings of Lost in Reflections. I know those endings and have purposely chosen (until now) not to pick any of them.
My question was: How much of an impact is there in the new The Empress' Shadow story by having played Lost in Reflection to its end? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth it to complete Lost in Reflection before playing The Empress' Shadow.
It unlocks a storylet for the Surface Visitor via the dream of Paris. Not much more, that I can recall.
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Book of All Hours 9:99: Journey's end in lover's meeting. Progress is ascendancy.
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