Televangelist
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12/14/2016
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It would fit with the pattern of the final connected reward being in a hard-to-reach area, and would totally fit with the Urchins theme!
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dov
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12/14/2016
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Please don't.
The Mind of a Long-Dead God doesn't come close to being similar to where the other the other 40-Renown items are (Flute Street, the Broad Unterzee, New-Newgate prison, Tomb-Colonies). All of these are advanced areas, but easily accessible to any advanced player (though Flute Street costs Fate), or in the case of menace areas - to any player, anytime.
Even for the most advanced player, unless they are already on the path to this, it will take many many months to get to Storm's Mind.
The best analogue, which fits the Urchins, is the Cave of the Nadir.
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MidnightVoyager
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12/14/2016
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I've been playing since it was just Echo Bazaar. I have never once been to Storm's Mind.
Leeet's not do this.
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An Individual
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12/14/2016
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I think the problem with putting it in the Mind of a Long-Dead God is that it's unlikely a player that isn't an avid forum user/wiki reader will ever stumble upon it. The Mind is really out of the way. You have to wait till you get Stormy-Eyed. Then you have to spend a bunch of time cranking it up at Mutton Island to a level well beyond what you'll ever achieve by playing the dream cards. I was playing the game for a couple years before I even knew the mind existed and went out of my way to visit it. Then, once you get there, you'll discover that there was an item that you could get if you had Renown: Urchins 40. Then you have to get to Renown: Urchins 40. Then you have to get all the way back there.
The other items are in places that an average player could conceivably visit during regular exploring and can fairly easily return to once you've reached the requirement. The Mind is extremely well hidden if you aren't told that it exists by another player, you won't know that you need that requirement before you visit unless, once again, another player tells you, and the process of reaching it is non-trivial and time consuming.
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A Dimness
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12/15/2016
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I do hope one of the urchins items will be a sock, stuffed with something decidedly heavy.
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dov
Posts: 2580
12/14/2016
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maleclypse wrote:
You can grind storm's mind from Mutton Island.
Yes, assuming your relevant dream quality is high enough to get Stormy Eyed. This is very much card dependent and can take many months.
As I said, this is not really comparable to going out to Zee (requires just having a ship), going to prison (just raise suspicion or fail to rob the embassy), or getting exiled (just raise scandal).
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PSGarak
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12/14/2016
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The other 40-renown items are in locations where you start from London, and be in & out in a day regardless of starting conditions or RNG. Mind of a Long-Dead God takes months to achieve. We can quibble about how many months, but regardless it's still several orders-of-magnitude beyond current precedent.
If you want to attach the Urchin reward to Storm, then put the reward on Mutton Island, at the end of the carousel. That's slightly less accessible than other rewards but not overly so--certainly doable in a day, especially if you pay maps.
Alternatively, put the reward in the Mind of a Long-Dead God but provide a shortcut to enter, which is tied to Urchin renown.
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suinicide
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12/14/2016
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I'm not sure how fast you're doing it, but I delayed becoming a PoSI to the point where I basically started with 20 BDR, and grabbed the classic short story soon after that. Its been a few months since then and I still haven't achieved stormy eyed. (And yes I am actually trying to get it)
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Pumpkinhead
Posts: 516
12/14/2016
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Televangelist wrote:
Mind of a Long-Dead God does *not* take months to achieve, assuming you've unlocked Stormy-Eyed. You can grind it easily on Mutton Island. And you should have Stormy-eyed unlocked around the time you hit PoSI at the latest, it's very easy to get there just by turning cards.
I'm not an exceptional friend, so I don't think I get as many cards as those that are. I've been playing for a year, going through my 6 card deck ~5 times a day, and I just passed WtTS 17 a few days ago. The first point of stormy eyed comes from getting to 18 (if I understand the wiki correctly).
To put that into perspective, I reached PoSI-dom in about March or April.
Granted, the RNG may just hate me, as I see maybe 2 WtTS cards a week.
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PSGarak
Posts: 834
12/14/2016
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Televangelist wrote:
Mind of a Long-Dead God does *not* take months to achieve, assuming you've unlocked Stormy-Eyed. You can grind it easily on Mutton Island. And you should have Stormy-eyed unlocked around the time you hit PoSI at the latest, it's very easy to get there just by turning cards.
Grinding levels of Stormy-Eyed is not the gatekeeper. The gatekeeper is building What the Thunder Said back to 15, which is 100% RNG-dependent.
Additionally, I have been to the Mind of a Long-Dead God recently. That means that I have to start completely from scratch in order to visit, despite being an advanced character. The location of all the other rewards can be accessed with no pre-existing progress within a day. Mind of a Long-Dead God requires months of progress, all of which is lost if the visit is mis-timed (which is also easier than normal, because the action is auto-fire if you open the storylet).
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dov
Posts: 2580
12/14/2016
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maleclypse wrote:
But if the goal was that renown 40 would be a roughly six month to a year process which I thought I read somewhere it was then it seems like it's a reasonable thing.
First, I don't recall ever seeing such a goal expressed. Certainly not by FBG. Possibly, some player posted about how long they personally felt it would take.
Second: if anything, expecting things to take months make sense regarding actually increasing Renown to 40. If you start with little to no Renown, this is indeed a long term goal. However, actually accessing the area where the item exists is easy.
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Skinnyman
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12/14/2016
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Had the feeling that the God's Mind wasn't that hard to unlock. I started 1-2 days before March and I know I had unlocked the Stormy-Eyed some time before Fruits of the Zee festival; this puts me to less than 5 months, but I was able to flip cards almost non-stop.
I didn't go there just because I think the Urchin item will be there, but I guess you're all correct. It does take a lot of time and some RNG blessings to unlock it.
Now, any other guesses? Let's make this a productive thread!
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dov
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12/14/2016
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Anne Auclair wrote:
Maybe not the level 40 reward, but it would be a great place for a super special urchin reward.
I thought that the super special reward *is* the 40 Renown item. Did you have something else in mind?
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dov
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12/14/2016
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aegisaglow wrote:
Incidentally, I'm assuming the 40-renown item for Hell is going to be on the Slow Boat. I think that the Iron Republic is more likely.
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Reshemin
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12/15/2016
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Televangelist wrote:
Mind of a Long-Dead God does *not* take months to achieve, assuming you've unlocked Stormy-Eyed. You can grind it easily on Mutton Island. And you should have Stormy-eyed unlocked around the time you hit PoSI at the latest, it's very easy to get there just by turning cards. For a slight change of perspective: One of my chars (the youngest, actually) just got the 'Who is the Third...' card about two days ago. For the first time ever. Meaning she got stormy-eyed, of course. Since this girl also had quite some other things to achieve and I myself am generally not logged in 24/7 and playing on my (non-existant) iPhone on the way to the grocery, the number of cards she flipped each day was, in plain technical terms... quite suboptimal. Now, if I'm not too bad at counting...
...that means it took her, like three years to get that cloudy gaze. While becoming POSi was something like, three or four months.
As fitting as that place might seem, I would decidedly recommend another.
Also, everything An Individual and PSGarak already said.
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xKiv
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12/15/2016
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th8827 wrote:
Honestly, it took me about 8 months to get to the Storm menace area, and I predict that grinding 40 Urchins would take a comparable amount of time.
With some assumptions ... renown 40 ~ connection 21+6*40=261 ~ cp 211*50+50*51/2=11825 ~ speak softly to the little villains x 3941 ~ 40 days of doing nothing else all day
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Jolanda Swan
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5/3/2017
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The item IS in the Mind, right? Getting there does not take that long nowadays. I used Mutton Island to grind Stormy-Eyed and What the Thunder said, along with Dock favors. The carousel also netted me Whispered Hints. And yes, I had to do it twice since I explored the Mind when I still did not have Urchins Renown: 40. So I would say it is not that hard; it probably took me less that two months of normal play till I hit Stormy Eyed 17, and then a day or two at Mutton Island.
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