The past conversions used a formula of R = (C-21)/x where R is Renown, C is Connected, and x is the conversion rate. In the four conversions so far, x has been either 5 or 6 depending on the rarity of the connection. So if Urchins uses one of those rates you'll need C: Urchins 321 for Renown: Urchins 50.

I've been avoiding the hell card, as that lowers Hell, and that'll be coming up soon as a conversion to renown (and I'm not struggling to build that up from virtually 0 to 221).

Using the Widow/Urchins conflict card has the additional advantage of reducing your Nightmares when you choose Urchins, assuming you need Nightmare reduction. (Unfortunately, I think that also reduces Melancholy, assuming you care about that).

So, this time the conversion rate was 7.

Constables is next. A much, much higher conversion rate -- possibly 15 or 20, even -- is likely, which would mean 621 connected needed to get 40 renown (if x=15) or 821 (if x=20).

Since Connected: Constables is roughly 10CP per action (5 actions per level), even if you're sitting at a fairly high number like 100 right now, that means 2605 actions (if x=15) or 3605 actions (x=20). That means 3-4 weeks of straight grinding, ugh.

If you guess wrong and don't grind that extra week, you'll be at renown 30 instead of renown 40... which is a very long grind indeed.
edited by Televangelist on 1/19/2017

Grenem wrote:

Televangelist wrote:

So, this time the conversion rate was 7.

Constables is next. A much, much higher conversion rate -- possibly 15 or 20, even -- is likely, which would mean 621 connected needed to get 40 renown (if x=15) or 821 (if x=20).

Since Connected: Constables is roughly 10CP per action (5 actions per level), even if you're sitting at a fairly high number like 100 right now, that means 2605 actions (if x=15) or 3605 actions (x=20). That means 3-4 weeks of straight grinding, ugh.

If you guess wrong and don't grind that extra week, you'll be at renown 30 instead of renown 40... which is a very long grind indeed.
edited by Televangelist on 1/19/2017

Well, it's only 91 favors from 30->40, which might be better? i mean, favors grind is very much non-trivial, but that could well be better than grinding up to 821 connection. Though obviously you want to get as much as you can, favor grinding isn't as horrible as some people make it out to be- and you can do other things while working on it, often, which {usually} cannot be said of connection grinds

91 favors? Assuming 1 favor per CP of renown, I count something like... 315 favors? What am I missing here? :X

You get 28 cp for 7 favors once you hit renown 14. prior to that, you get 14 for 7 favors (10 for 5, 12 for 6) at 7-13. it's only 1 favor per cp at the very bottom of the heap, at 5-7. (well, 1-7, but you should know to use the carnival.).

I am trying very hard not to be too grumpy about this conversion. What is done is done, but might I suggest that for the next conversion you do some kind of escalating formula? Basically making it increasingly difficult to get a new level - kind of like levels work for the stats?